Jon: "It's really not that hard!" Also Jon: *spends an entire hour long video talking about overly specific mechanics, narrow windows to avoid instant kill traps, instant kill traps that aren't appropriately forewarned, and strangely conveyed yet downright necessary information*
Honestly, I'd argue The Lion King fits perfectly fine alongside the rest of the Disney catalogue from that era. Toy Story and Mickey Mania were both pretty rough and often tossed new mechanics at you left and right and expected you to just jump on them. The Lion King is ironically the only one that's a bit easier to figure out. Aside from the Aladdin games on SNES and Genesis.
@@inaccurateprophecy8971 If you think that's so; don't play the PSX version, that one adds a second chase against Willie the Giant, and it's even harder then the Moose Chase.
@@Kohchu Oh that sounds like it sucks, you already have to guess where all the hazards are in the Moose Chase and I can't imagine what would be worse than that.
Jon's initial stance of "the game isn't as hard as people say" transitioning to "Wow, I guess it actually is pretty hard, I just find it easy because I grew up playing it..." reminds me of an experience I had recently on the Fire Emblem subreddit, where someone was asking for advice in the fourth game because they were struggling, and someone else kept saying "The game's actually super easy, I don't know why everyone is saying it's hard, it gives you so many tools to break it," in complete denial of the fact that most of those tools are so well-hidden they would never be found by a first time player without a player's guide.
Yeah some of my friends have just gotten into fire emblem. My friends playing through path of radiance on normal and having a really hard time, and I’m having a hard time getting why since I’ve played literally every fire emblem and breezes through path of radiance on hard
Wait, you're telling me you didn't instinctively put every good item on Sigurd or moved Lex to that corner of the map in chapter 1 on your first playthrough?
I think this is how a lot of elitism starts. When you're so deeply entrenched in a game, you almost inevitably forget how difficult some basic things can be for entirely new players. This is where the phrase "I don't get why this seems so hard for you" comes from, because they LITERALLY do not understand how hard it can be, because they've already gotten past that point and thus they don't care about it anymore.
"This stage is not hard, because there are harder ones" is something said by a person who forgot what it's like to not be "a gamer". Anyone skilled at any activity or task eventually forgets what "normal" people feel like. It's a similar phenomenon to the Overton window.
Huh... honestly, you've got a good point here. I've just been looking at this from the window of a gamer because most people who repeat the whole "It's so hard!" line back at me are also gamers.
To be fair nongamers might have a hard time clearing world 1 of Mario 1 on the NES and people playing this game as kids also colors perceptions because their skills weren't refined. Ask someone who's been playing games for like 10 plus years though to clear this game and they'll likely have the same experience Jon did here.
@@ProtonJon I think most people who say that dislike the game already, so they don’t want to play it now, even tho they know they could probably figure it out as an adult. I know _I’m_ sick of those damn monkeys from trying endless to figure out how to beat that stage as a kid. And actually, I think I STILL wouldn’t be able to solve the monkey puzzle, even after watching you. Lol
"X isn't hard because Y is harder" is a fallacy anyway. It's not like I'm expected to be able to climb every mountain in the world because they're not as hard as Everest.
Honestly I’ve had the same realization myself this past year, especially with platformers. My friend loves Super Mario Galaxy, but she’s the type to do everything you can. Pick up all the collectibles, defeat all the enemies, etc. While my goal is to collect all the stars as fast as possible. We have different ways of playing because she’s a more casual player while I’m a more “hardcore” gamer. It’s also why I hesitate to recommend Xenoblade 2, despite it being my favorite game on Switch. It’s so fun, but it’s not Beginner Friendly.
Admittedly, while Level 3 in Battletoads is infamous it can also be fun to memorize and to get back to that point. Every level from Level 7 onwards is just hard, and every level from Level 8 is just infuriating. Even if Level 12, the last level, is a break in platforming, by that point you will be too far gone to care.
Fun Fact: In the Genesis version of this game, Child Simba's roar noise isnt a generic cat noise, but instead, the "Rrawr!" noise he made from the movie!
"Why this one was considered hard?" Well, a lot of people got stuck on the monkeys, and those who got past the monkeys got stumped by the volcano waiting game...that is to say nothing about having to kill everything later on in that one stage.
@@TwilightLink77 Nah, you could make it past that with enough trial and error, but one specific monkey you need to roar at twice which is just a dick move on the devs' part.
I never had an issue with the monkeys, my biggest issue was that damn ostrich for whatever reason as a kid I always died at the double jump part and I could never figure out why.
"What are people talking about, this game isn't difficult. Just find all of the secret areas with all the power ups that have zero indication they are there and be wary all of the bottomless pits, beginners traps that either instantly kill you or send you back to the stat of the level, wonky nonsensical hit boxes and other nonsense that I know how to avoid by heart because I've been playing this game for 30 years." Yeah, not gonna lie, Jon, that's a miss. I grew up with this game too, the genesis version, and, as a kid, I could never get past the double jump on the ostrich (the timing was really weird) and got stuck on the monkeys. Later on, as an adult, I did a LP myself and needed to do tons of practice before i could reliably beat it on camera without dying constantly. This isn't the hardest game in the world, but it has a whole lot of weird design decisions and knowing how to avoid those with practice doesn't mean they don't exist.
When Doublefine did a Devs Play with one of the devs of Lion King, he admitted that level 2 was actually made harder because Disney told them that rental players would beat the game too quickly. Same reason why games like Ecco have sudden absurd difficulty spikes. Honestly none of the Virgin disney games have all that great pacing, hitboxes, etc. Especially not their Aladdin game.
Wait... Is THAT why that 4 Ways of Mystery level in Ecco Defender of the Future was so hard!? I was stuck for months getting lost and drowning and dying of poison in that level til I turned up the brightness to see better. Not even gonna mention that monster Eel that I would forget until he lunges down and grabs me up! Never going underwater cave exploring because of that darn level!
"People say this stage is so hard, I guess it's just cause everyone was a stupid 8 year old when they played it. Okay for this next part roar at these exact monkeys in this exact order."
The Monkey Puzzle thing was intentionally designed that way apparently because of Disney not wanting people to beat their games after renting them. That's the word anyway.
Nah, it's confirmed. I don't talk about it until the very end of the video, but there's a link in the description to an interview with one of the devs of the game confirming basically that. Disney's polling found that families were more likely to buy a game if they didn't get too far in it during rentals. The only stage that could really add in difficulty easily was Stage 2.
Hah, reminds me of that one stage from Aladdin on genesis with the Indiana Jones boulders and annoying jumps over lava. Also reminds me of toy story on genesis where you have to deliver the aliens in the claw machine. I swear if you didn't know that extra space that was hidden was there, you'd never clear that level. Makes sense.
@@ProtonJon I had this same trouble with Toy Story on SNES when I was a kid. There were no cheats and I just wanted to see the rest of the game so I had to buckle down and work as hard as I could to finish it, which took me several days of strategizing because I had the hand eye coordination of an eight year old and no internet. Times were simpler back then.
The difficulty spike at level 2 and the stampede is probably what put a lot of kids off from it back in '94; not saying it didn't get harder later on, but we never made it that far to know.
Stampede as a kid was easy, though I was stuck on level 2 for a couple days until I learned how ledge grabbing worked, It still bugged me. Without knowing about some secrets I still managed to beat the game, decent challenge for myself then, not really now. But yes its not fair at several points in the game, learning to ledge grab is key to get far.
It actually gets easier once you become adult Simba. Levels 7,8 and 9 are all a joke if you know what to do. Elephant Graveyard is really the hardest level because you're expected to kill the hyenas as young Simba with little health to do it.
I think instead of adult Simba saying "Cool!" he should've had his own unique but still cheesy line. Like "Nice! Or "Radical!" or something else adults think kids think adults say.
In SNES version young Simba says "cool" at every collectible. In Genesis he only said that for 1 kind of collectible (don't remember which one exactly tho)
Yeah, really. and honestly, it wouldn't be out of character for him to still talk like that--he grew up physically but being "raised" by Timon and Pumba? He wasn't gonna grow out of anything he did as a kid, he was a manchild through and through.
1:42 Well, to be fair, that's a faithful adaptation of the movie. He tried to roar at the hyenas and it didn't do shit. That set up for the payoff a minute later, when for a minute, it was almost as if Simba was roaring for real until Mufasa appeared and saved him.
When you say the game is easy but you need to explain several mechanics that people will not do otherwise, then say a double jump on an ostrich can be done, and still die to things like random log placement and a Boulder and ledge placement, and still find the need to tell about 1ups in random places just in case… And that’s just with the normal parts: Be Prepared is still unforgiving by his standards and there is still a pick-a-path section afterwards he could have gotten more frustrated at for it was the penultimate room and he still doesn’t remember that, and even Pride Rock requires good spacing to nicely throw off Scar (i.e. Don’t pounce on Scar in the middle of a stage) amidst nice timing. If the game is supposedly easy but you’re collecting health all the time, and still can admit parts are hard, then you’re a master at that game and you’re not doing a good job of making the game easy because it was never easy.
Man, you talk about this game like how I talk about Battletoads, haha. Everybody acts like Battletoads is hard because of the Turbo Tunnels. They're really not that bad, especially compared to what comes later and how perfect the game demands you be.
Turbo Tunnel’s got nothing on Clinger Winger or Rat Race assuming you don’t get the quick clear on the latter (I can only imagine how awful those would be in that 4-player mod). On the other hand though, I don’t think Battletoads has design choices so infamously terrible that you forget about a level’s existence i.e. the maze level in Lion King for Jon at least.
I had this exact discussion with a friend about Battletoads a few weeks ago. He said if he ever does go back to it, he now knows to just emulate and turn on infinite lives since he’s not dealing with the bull
So accurate and such that Jpn here broke a controller in a race and had to go get one, and still was not overtaken in that time. Battletoads was just that silly, but get it memorized and it's not that bad.
I have very little patience for condescension over game difficulty, especially when it comes to experienced players talking to inexperienced ones. It's a lesson I learned watching a different person from the old LP subforum play through Link to the Past blind and alone. I've played LttP into the dirt and know the game backwards and forwards, so I always felt like I was a really easy, straightforward game. That person ended up hating it and quitting after Misery Mire because it was tedious and difficult to understand. Watching, I realized I'd fallen into the right side of the Dunning-Kruger curve. It's easy to say something is easy when you've done it 100 times before
Two things, related: 1) That Simba grabbing ledges is damned close to the way Mufasa is holding onto the ledge before Scar does his thing, which I find highly entertaining for some reason. 2) Every time I see Simba grabbing the ledges I hear Guile's Theme from SF 2 in my head.
Can I just say, like, as someone who watched your LPs since the Google Video/SA days, that it's just nice to have these back. The streams have been absolutely wonderful but a chill laid back LP is just what the world needed in 2021.
Oh hey, Jon is playing the Lion King for the SNES! ...O h n o, Jon is PLAYING the Lion King for the SNES!!! Man, I remember playing this game in my childhood. Was impressed by how difficult it was, but I don't recall if I beat it, myself. I will report back to edit this comment once I witness Jon playing the game for himself. Edit: Man, Jon makes watching this a whole lot easier. Guess the moral is 'play the game a lot in your childhood, you'll be good at it when you grow up' lol Still, it was nice to see someone I grew up watching play a game I've played growing up on.
1:11:09 That's actually really interesting and shows that the cutscene is probably being run in-game with Scar as the "playable" character. That tells me that you can probably hack the game to allow you to "play" as Scar's silhouette in other levels, though he probably wouldn't be able to move around or anything since he's not meant to be playable in any actual levels.
Hot take: kids who said the game is “hard” were actually talking about the lousy hit detection and unclear level design. They just didn’t have the vocabulary for it. Yeah I don’t like this game
I rented this game more than once when I was a kid. I never got past the second level legit consistently, maybe once or twice, only to immediately die on the next level and then not want to struggle through it again. But I wound up seeing the whole game using that level select code. Something about that double jump on the ostrich just never clicked in my kid-brain.
Ah, Simba: the ultimate attack kitten. I always really liked this game as a kid even though I never beat it. I do remember getting further and further in the game whenever attempting it so I knew I'd get it eventually but ran out of time before we switched to the N64 since we only ever had room for one active system at a time.
10:25 And that specific double-jump is what walled me in this game. I have never gotten past that one specifically. I assume my timing is just bad, 'cause you got to get the Ostrich between the nests and I think it always lands on the nest for me, which I think kills it. It's kind of hard to tell what you messed up on in this section because it goes by so fast.
that sounds about right actually. Its very possible to both jump too early, and too late, causing either Simba to be clotheslined by the ABSURDLY solid nest, or the ostrich to trip over the nest and either one counts as 'you failed, die."
From my limited time of playing it as a kid I don't think I ever got past stage 2. Whether it's the game's fault or me being bad at video games as kid I don't know. But I do know there's enough people for whom Stage 2 was a roadblock. EDIT: played Genesis version out of curiosity and Double Jump in Can't Wait to be King is constantly screwing me up. Seems like point at which you need to jump is very specific. And that's in first section with guides. EDIT2: Figured out timing, but now I'm a bit walled at 2nd Monkey section (mainly logs). To not burn continues I don't activate final checkpoint to be in a life loop from previous section. EDIT3: After giving it a good try without save states I managed to reach Hakuna Matata logs before running out of continues and lives. Still can't say this game is easy. Especially since swing jump feels awkward and aiming at near edge of platform (or sometimes jumping backwards for more consistency) instead of platform itself is not most intuitive thing for me.
This is my favorite Old School Disney Game! I would change Simba's Destiny to be Level 8 instead of that Hard Be Prepared. So Level 7 would be Reunited, where Simba is running through the Jungle, fighting Leopards, Monkeys, and Spiders(Claws can now swipe through webs) to try and save Timon and Pumbaa. It would end with Nala as a boss, and when you defeat her, you get an animation of Nala pinning Simba as they recognize each other and embrace. I'd also change Mufasa's final line from "Everything the light touches is our Kingdom" to "Remember". That would've been a much better Lion King game. I'd love to see you do Let's Plays of Aladdin and Jungle Book(both for Sega Genesis)
As an adult without experience... the 2nd Ostrich Ride is "hard" from looking at it blind. You'll die on the first obstacle and there are many you'll randomly die on... and if you were a kid in this era playing on a difficult other then the hardest meant you might not get to see the rest of the game. So you'll go into it with 0-2 lives while even as an adult with a consistent 2 lives... There is a very really chance you'll die on each obstacle 2-3 times because they try to throw you off. It is like the Turbo Tunnel, it is "hard" because you don't know the pattern but when you finally learn it then it becomes significantly easier. In other words... very bad trial and error design.
Ah, The Lion King SNES... I made all the way to the end... Just to fail to get the throw. EVERY. TIME. Also, made by Virgin Interactive, Sir Richard Branson made into space today.
I zoned out for a second during the start of the video and the very first thing I saw was "slash (adult)" this activated my fight or flight response, and I don't know how to feel about that.
Bad fanfiction vibes intensify! Despite reading tons of fanfic over the years I never actually learned what slash means, only that I don't want to read it. Is it just gay relationships, or does it imply actual sex? ...maybe this is not the correct place to talk about it. Still, 'mpreg' is worse.
Look forward to the next part, which will secretly be a playthrough of Aero the Acrobat. Why would he play that if he deliberately said he wouldn't? Reverse psychology, friend. Besides, he didn't say he wouldn't play Donkey Kong Country, and thats what Aero the Acrobat is - Donkey Kong Country! BRB, my brains slid out of my ears again
Those cheat codes were crazy, what a weird bonus for a game. I'm curious on how the bonus games are upside down with Timon and Pumba, it must be hell to navigate the bug maze with Timon so close to the bottom of the screen
I was not a great gamer as a kid, but I could get pretty far in the game before I had problems. It was the bats on the lava river that I couldn't quite get. Then it took me forever to figure out what I was supposed to do after that with the lava shoots. Favorite stage was definitely the Hakuna Matata stage! I loved zipping around on the waterfalls and climbing the giant one. Thank you for revisiting and talking in-depth about this favorite from my childhood. Glad to know someone else liked it!
A pattern I find when I see other Let's players play some "difficult", "unfair", or "boring" games is that they seem impatient and reckless. Instead of taking the time to experiment with the controls, and finding tactics to defeat certain enemies, they often just rush in guns blazing and blame the game when they die.
Or a lot of people brought it as children like you did and struggled a lot but never tried to play it again when they were older. I had this problem with yosih island ds which I plan to replay later this year they was one level kid me couldn’t do and I just gave up on it but current me could probably do since it probably wasn’t that hard
That was me with Lilo and Stitch for the GBA. One of my first games i owned as a kid but couldn’t get past the first Lilo level. Went back last week to finally beat it. It’s doable, but definitely a lot harder than i was expecting for a movie tie in game for kids
1:14:32 I would like to point out, because Scar's throwing animation is made to be in line with Simba's, it means there are just some parts that aren't visible when playing in upside-down mode, which *really* makes this funnier than it already is.
I've been playing this game since I was 8 years old, I keep playing it here and there because of the nostalgia I feel and because it's a great game, I HAD NEVER REALIZED THERE WERE BONUS STAGE BUGS, I knew those bugs looked different but I never tried to find out if they had a specific function, I can't believe I found out something new about this game after 20 years of playing it, ever since I was a child I thought you had to press A during the Mufasa cutscene or when the screen turns black lol, thanks for finally clarifying this man.
Funny thing you might find interesting, the NES Version of Lion King (also the final officially licensed game for the platform in any region, released on May 25 1995, exclusively in Europe), completely cuts out the Adult Simba levels for some reason, meaning the game ends when you defeat the gorilla in Hakuna Matata. Also, there was a leaked prototype of the SNES version released not too long ago, and it turns out that that prototype has far more in common with the Game Gear version, which is mildly interesting.
oh man are we back in 2006 when Jon would start LPs and then post tons of random SIDE LPs and not touch the original one for over a decade like Superman 64? XD
As someone who grew up playing the C&C games, I do find it a bit sad that they seem to be known to some people (not Jon, to be clear) mostly because of that stupid space meme that comes from the worst of them all, Red Alert 3. That's like if, say, the Zelda series was mainly known through the CDi games. Still, at least it was fun seeing Frank Klepacki worked on the music for this game!
One comment I feel needs to be left, as someone else who has played this game constantly, and remembers struggling against Scar like crazy. On Easy, you can do anything you want. On Medium and Difficult; DO NOT use the Maul on him, unless he is panting. You can pounce, you can claw; but if you try to throw Scar, and he is not panting; he will tackle you and maul you like crazy. On Medium, it hurts a lot, but on difficult, this is basically an instant death. You can hit X repeatedly to get out, but he damages you so fast, you likely won't be able to.
That fight with Scar somehow reminded me of that scene in Saints Row 2 where Johnny Gat destroying Shogo Akuji and repeating "Get up." *Paws Scar in the face* Get up. *Throws Scar around* Get up. *Mauls Scar's face* Get up.
This game was hard to play when I was a kid. I never got past the maze until I was in college. Also I had the genesis version. I have to say the audio I feel is better in the genesis version. Everything feels off with the snes soundtrack.
I grew up with the SNES version, and looking at the Genesis version gives the same feeling of everything seeming off with the Genesis soundtrack. The dialogue definitely seems cleaner, but the audio, different fonts, etc, makes it feel wrong to me. The joys of two gaming platforms being pretty different, huh?
It’s funny that the other game I know of that gives me the same impression is Bubsy 1 of all things (only two months apart between SNES and Genesis versions).
@@ProtonJon Yea, it's actually funny how such a small change can lead to different opinions for the exact same game. The SNES roar for kid Simba really annoys me for some reason compared to Genesis, and I don't know why.
@@TheRhoxShifter probably cause the SNES roar is some dinky goofy little mock cat noise, when the Genesis one was Simba's actual kid attempt at roaring.
As a whole, I think the Super NES version seems considerably more polished than the Mega Drive version. And as for the music, the Super NES version uses actual instrument sounds, so it ends up sounding more like the instruments used in the movie. Or at least instruments that sound African to the player.
Nice to see someone who also doesn't/didn't think this game is hard! I used to play it on PC when I was young. Fun fact: I played this at a LAN once in college and everyone thought it was crazy how I "was doing so well". I was only on stage 2. Now I finally know people regard it as hard; back then I was just confused. I have a similar reaction to you whenever I reach the "Be Prepared" stage. It's just awful and annoying. It's the only place I struggled outside of the final fight (because I constantly forgot how to 'judo flip' Scar off the ledge). As for the upside-down mode, it looks so bizarre! Never knew about it and it looks so interesting~
You know what's a funny thing I noticed while watching this? This video took a hour and sixteen minutes. The Lion King movie is an hour and twenty-eight minutes...so if you think about it, you could watch Lion King in just a little over the time it takes to watch this~
Now we need to start a meme where we start comparing hard video games to The Lion King a la “Cuphead is the *The Lion King* of the 1930’s-based shoot-em-ups”.
The only real issue I had from the 'Can't Wait to be King' stage was the occasional bug where simba gets stuck on the wrong side of the giraffe. Other than that, that lava stage is a cruel mistress.
It's been a long time since I've stopped by PJ's channel, but hearing his voice over a game of insane nostalgia for me is like the old days of Mario Rom Hacks. A lot has changed, but a lot still stays the same, and I'm so glad this popped up in my recommended. I needed this today. 💗
To be fair, I did play this when I was a kid, I think the Genesis version specifically… And just used a level select cheat to skip stage 2. The rest of the game I managed fine. Also whenever Jon imitates Simba's 'Cool!', my mind just immediately goes to 'Looking cool, Joker!'
The damn ostrich sections. The obstacles were impossible to see on a little old television when I was a kid. And I couldn't understand that the nests were an obstacle. I actually really enjoyed the monkey puzzles even as a kid. Also I learned a lot about this game I didn't know, thank you Jon.
This just got me through a very bad day, never managed to get past the cub simba stages and I was really interested to see the rest of the game with such detailed explanations. Awesome video had to subscribe!
Huh. My mental aid for stalagtites vs stalagmites is that a T looks like a downward spike and an M looks like two upward spikes. Yes, that is the comment I choose to leave under this video.
ok. That whole end sequence was Amazing. I laughed just as loud as you did when you first smacked Scar from below. Also, of course, it was actually easier than when you went through normally.
I remember watching someone else play this game. And he didn't know you actually have to throw Scar off the edge. He was using the invulnerability cheat, so I thought the game made itself unwinnable to punish using a cheatcode. ..... but all this time you could just throw him off!?
Man, it was so good in the movie when Simba kept trying to flip Scar off the ledge but he kept standing there panting and jumping away and being too far away from the edge to be flipped all the way over.
34:37 The DOS version of the game has the sparkle noise in during Cub Simba levels as well. He still says, "Cool," but only when he picks up 1-Ups and Continues.
Jon unironically saying the words "Death Water" in 2021 means way more to me than it should.
A pleasant surprise, to be sure.
What's that a reference of? I don't recognize it 🤔 I've seen a few comments talking about that, but I don't know what that is.
@@Alfonso162008 It's from one of his old SMW romhack videos. Not sure if it's still up though, due to copyrighted music.
@@Alfonso162008 A VERY old Mario ROM Hack series, Mario's Wacky World that Jon did back in like 2008
2011 came forward in time to specifically slap me in the face with those two words
Jon: "It's really not that hard!"
Also Jon: *spends an entire hour long video talking about overly specific mechanics, narrow windows to avoid instant kill traps, instant kill traps that aren't appropriately forewarned, and strangely conveyed yet downright necessary information*
Honestly, I'd argue The Lion King fits perfectly fine alongside the rest of the Disney catalogue from that era. Toy Story and Mickey Mania were both pretty rough and often tossed new mechanics at you left and right and expected you to just jump on them. The Lion King is ironically the only one that's a bit easier to figure out. Aside from the Aladdin games on SNES and Genesis.
@@Kohchu The chase sequence in Mickey Mania is the absolute WORST.
@@inaccurateprophecy8971 If you think that's so; don't play the PSX version, that one adds a second chase against Willie the Giant, and it's even harder then the Moose Chase.
@@Kohchu Oh that sounds like it sucks, you already have to guess where all the hazards are in the Moose Chase and I can't imagine what would be worse than that.
To be fair, most of the games he plays are all that in significantly *larger* quantities.
Jon's initial stance of "the game isn't as hard as people say" transitioning to "Wow, I guess it actually is pretty hard, I just find it easy because I grew up playing it..." reminds me of an experience I had recently on the Fire Emblem subreddit, where someone was asking for advice in the fourth game because they were struggling, and someone else kept saying "The game's actually super easy, I don't know why everyone is saying it's hard, it gives you so many tools to break it," in complete denial of the fact that most of those tools are so well-hidden they would never be found by a first time player without a player's guide.
Yeah some of my friends have just gotten into fire emblem. My friends playing through path of radiance on normal and having a really hard time, and I’m having a hard time getting why since I’ve played literally every fire emblem and breezes through path of radiance on hard
Wait, you're telling me you didn't instinctively put every good item on Sigurd or moved Lex to that corner of the map in chapter 1 on your first playthrough?
I think this is how a lot of elitism starts. When you're so deeply entrenched in a game, you almost inevitably forget how difficult some basic things can be for entirely new players. This is where the phrase "I don't get why this seems so hard for you" comes from, because they LITERALLY do not understand how hard it can be, because they've already gotten past that point and thus they don't care about it anymore.
Isn't FE4 the one that needs a eugenics spreadsheet to get units with the right holy blood?
This is how i felt about Dark Souls. The game is supposed to be hard, but the fandom just did NOT want to help anyone which made it so much harder.
"This stage is not hard, because there are harder ones" is something said by a person who forgot what it's like to not be "a gamer". Anyone skilled at any activity or task eventually forgets what "normal" people feel like. It's a similar phenomenon to the Overton window.
Huh... honestly, you've got a good point here. I've just been looking at this from the window of a gamer because most people who repeat the whole "It's so hard!" line back at me are also gamers.
To be fair nongamers might have a hard time clearing world 1 of Mario 1 on the NES and people playing this game as kids also colors perceptions because their skills weren't refined. Ask someone who's been playing games for like 10 plus years though to clear this game and they'll likely have the same experience Jon did here.
@@ProtonJon I think most people who say that dislike the game already, so they don’t want to play it now, even tho they know they could probably figure it out as an adult. I know _I’m_ sick of those damn monkeys from trying endless to figure out how to beat that stage as a kid. And actually, I think I STILL wouldn’t be able to solve the monkey puzzle, even after watching you. Lol
"X isn't hard because Y is harder" is a fallacy anyway. It's not like I'm expected to be able to climb every mountain in the world because they're not as hard as Everest.
Honestly I’ve had the same realization myself this past year, especially with platformers. My friend loves Super Mario Galaxy, but she’s the type to do everything you can. Pick up all the collectibles, defeat all the enemies, etc. While my goal is to collect all the stars as fast as possible. We have different ways of playing because she’s a more casual player while I’m a more “hardcore” gamer. It’s also why I hesitate to recommend Xenoblade 2, despite it being my favorite game on Switch. It’s so fun, but it’s not Beginner Friendly.
"Clearly people who say 'this part of the game is hard' haven't gotten to the rest of the game"
...That sounds more like validation than rebuttal.
It’s like saying turbo tunnel doesn’t make battletoads a hard level, the infinitely harder version of that stage exists.
Admittedly, while Level 3 in Battletoads is infamous it can also be fun to memorize and to get back to that point. Every level from Level 7 onwards is just hard, and every level from Level 8 is just infuriating. Even if Level 12, the last level, is a break in platforming, by that point you will be too far gone to care.
"Hakuna Matata is actually a hard stage."
...you had one job, game.
many worries for the rest of your days
When you die.. you'll have no more worries.
Half of me expected the game to transition to Superman 64 when Timon said “It starts”. The Bizhawk Shuffler’s spoiled me.
_"It _*_DOESN'T_*_ Start!"_
*"Then there's no time to waste!"*
Same though. I was totally expecting a fake-out
I always heard: "It sucks" lol
@@bandicootsmwcentral2950 Given the SNES compression, I don’t blame you.
Fun Fact: In the Genesis version of this game, Child Simba's roar noise isnt a generic cat noise, but instead, the "Rrawr!" noise he made from the movie!
GENESIS DOES WHAT NINTENDONT
I remember that! It was so cute!
Any other differences? I know there's one big one in the Aladdin games that completely changes the difficulty depending on which version you play.
@@Kamakiri86 The music's better. Okay, that's one's just opinion.
The Genesis version just plays better overall. Some of the odd jank isn't there.
"Why this one was considered hard?"
Well, a lot of people got stuck on the monkeys, and those who got past the monkeys got stumped by the volcano waiting game...that is to say nothing about having to kill everything later on in that one stage.
Also in the PC version you can fall off the giraffes and get softlocked.
Ostrich is far worse.
@@TwilightLink77 Nah, you could make it past that with enough trial and error, but one specific monkey you need to roar at twice which is just a dick move on the devs' part.
Personally, I remember having issues with the hit detection on the floating logs.
I never had an issue with the monkeys, my biggest issue was that damn ostrich for whatever reason as a kid I always died at the double jump part and I could never figure out why.
"What are people talking about, this game isn't difficult. Just find all of the secret areas with all the power ups that have zero indication they are there and be wary all of the bottomless pits, beginners traps that either instantly kill you or send you back to the stat of the level, wonky nonsensical hit boxes and other nonsense that I know how to avoid by heart because I've been playing this game for 30 years."
Yeah, not gonna lie, Jon, that's a miss. I grew up with this game too, the genesis version, and, as a kid, I could never get past the double jump on the ostrich (the timing was really weird) and got stuck on the monkeys. Later on, as an adult, I did a LP myself and needed to do tons of practice before i could reliably beat it on camera without dying constantly.
This isn't the hardest game in the world, but it has a whole lot of weird design decisions and knowing how to avoid those with practice doesn't mean they don't exist.
When Doublefine did a Devs Play with one of the devs of Lion King, he admitted that level 2 was actually made harder because Disney told them that rental players would beat the game too quickly. Same reason why games like Ecco have sudden absurd difficulty spikes. Honestly none of the Virgin disney games have all that great pacing, hitboxes, etc. Especially not their Aladdin game.
The NES bootleg is unironically the best way to play Aladdin.
Yeah, I believe it was that kids couldn't beat 15% of the game within half an hour or something like that.
Oh lord, don't get me started on what papa Sega did to the NA version of Dynamite Headdy
Wait... Is THAT why that 4 Ways of Mystery level in Ecco Defender of the Future was so hard!? I was stuck for months getting lost and drowning and dying of poison in that level til I turned up the brightness to see better. Not even gonna mention that monster Eel that I would forget until he lunges down and grabs me up! Never going underwater cave exploring because of that darn level!
Yeah, this was a common tactic for games back then, they made them difficult to increase playtime, because otherwise they're very short
"People say this stage is so hard, I guess it's just cause everyone was a stupid 8 year old when they played it. Okay for this next part roar at these exact monkeys in this exact order."
The Monkey Puzzle thing was intentionally designed that way apparently because of Disney not wanting people to beat their games after renting them. That's the word anyway.
Nah, it's confirmed. I don't talk about it until the very end of the video, but there's a link in the description to an interview with one of the devs of the game confirming basically that. Disney's polling found that families were more likely to buy a game if they didn't get too far in it during rentals. The only stage that could really add in difficulty easily was Stage 2.
@@ProtonJon Yeah I recall hearing that in a DidYouKnowGaming video, so I had to make sure.
Hah, reminds me of that one stage from Aladdin on genesis with the Indiana Jones boulders and annoying jumps over lava. Also reminds me of toy story on genesis where you have to deliver the aliens in the claw machine. I swear if you didn't know that extra space that was hidden was there, you'd never clear that level. Makes sense.
@@ProtonJon I had this same trouble with Toy Story on SNES when I was a kid. There were no cheats and I just wanted to see the rest of the game so I had to buckle down and work as hard as I could to finish it, which took me several days of strategizing because I had the hand eye coordination of an eight year old and no internet. Times were simpler back then.
Not gonna lie, having an active ProtonJon on the platform again is the strangest, yet most nostalgic feeling. Keep it up!
EDIT: Upside Down TAS, when?
The difficulty spike at level 2 and the stampede is probably what put a lot of kids off from it back in '94; not saying it didn't get harder later on, but we never made it that far to know.
Agreed, my cousin never made it past the stampede, dude eventually said he wasn't playing this game anymore lol.
@@MisterX867 I mean, Super Metroid coming out the same year didn't help anyone's patience for that either; at least in my case.
Stampede as a kid was easy, though I was stuck on level 2 for a couple days until I learned how ledge grabbing worked, It still bugged me. Without knowing about some secrets I still managed to beat the game, decent challenge for myself then, not really now. But yes its not fair at several points in the game, learning to ledge grab is key to get far.
Those kids must have only rented or played the game in stores
It actually gets easier once you become adult Simba. Levels 7,8 and 9 are all a joke if you know what to do. Elephant Graveyard is really the hardest level because you're expected to kill the hyenas as young Simba with little health to do it.
I think instead of adult Simba saying "Cool!" he should've had his own unique but still cheesy line. Like "Nice! Or "Radical!" or something else adults think kids think adults say.
In SNES version young Simba says "cool" at every collectible. In Genesis he only said that for 1 kind of collectible (don't remember which one exactly tho)
That would've been so wicked!
Yeah, really. and honestly, it wouldn't be out of character for him to still talk like that--he grew up physically but being "raised" by Timon and Pumba? He wasn't gonna grow out of anything he did as a kid, he was a manchild through and through.
@@SpecRose
Abso-frickin'-lutely!
1:42
Well, to be fair, that's a faithful adaptation of the movie. He tried to roar at the hyenas and it didn't do shit. That set up for the payoff a minute later, when for a minute, it was almost as if Simba was roaring for real until Mufasa appeared and saved him.
24:10 Somwhere...Emile felt that and is grinning in sheer, blissful joy
Then immediately frowned when he realized he's not there to witness it.
Fans: "Say the line, Jon!"
Jon: "Alright, we have some death water right here..."
Fans: "YAAAAAAAAAAAY!"
I've been looking for that line because I guess I missed it the first watch...? What's the timestamp on that?
@@zexionfan15 Idk if you still care, but 18:07
Alternatively "Move faster Pokey!" or "Don't eat the mushroom"
Jon’s hatred of monkeys continues unimpeded from Yoshi’s Island I see
Man, now I gotta go rewatch that
I love how the DKC LP is so ridiculously convoluted that it is now tying into _other games._ Keep up the amazing videos!
This whole video is 12 minutes short of the lion king's entire runtime. Just saying.
In today's video, Jon demonstrates that playing a game for years will make you good at it.
When you say the game is easy but you need to explain several mechanics that people will not do otherwise, then say a double jump on an ostrich can be done, and still die to things like random log placement and a Boulder and ledge placement, and still find the need to tell about 1ups in random places just in case…
And that’s just with the normal parts: Be Prepared is still unforgiving by his standards and there is still a pick-a-path section afterwards he could have gotten more frustrated at for it was the penultimate room and he still doesn’t remember that, and even Pride Rock requires good spacing to nicely throw off Scar (i.e. Don’t pounce on Scar in the middle of a stage) amidst nice timing. If the game is supposedly easy but you’re collecting health all the time, and still can admit parts are hard, then you’re a master at that game and you’re not doing a good job of making the game easy because it was never easy.
Cheat codes. “We make the game super easy or hard for you”
Jon “Hold my egg”
Damn I kinda love how we're getting more character development on the ProtonJon anime
This is the flashback episode that's been hinted at for the whole season.
We even know it's canon because it features Death Water (TM, pat. pend)
oh man, this is only thr spinioff series. the development in the main series is bonkers
Aero the Acrobat LP when?
Edit: shit, he said to not ask for it at the end, I guess I'm screwed lol
Watch the reason he said not to ask be that he's already planning on doing it.
Man, you talk about this game like how I talk about Battletoads, haha. Everybody acts like Battletoads is hard because of the Turbo Tunnels. They're really not that bad, especially compared to what comes later and how perfect the game demands you be.
Turbo Tunnel’s got nothing on Clinger Winger or Rat Race assuming you don’t get the quick clear on the latter (I can only imagine how awful those would be in that 4-player mod). On the other hand though, I don’t think Battletoads has design choices so infamously terrible that you forget about a level’s existence i.e. the maze level in Lion King for Jon at least.
I had this exact discussion with a friend about Battletoads a few weeks ago. He said if he ever does go back to it, he now knows to just emulate and turn on infinite lives since he’s not dealing with the bull
That Spiral still haunts me and i havent even played that Chase to Boss stage yet
So accurate and such that Jpn here broke a controller in a race and had to go get one, and still was not overtaken in that time. Battletoads was just that silly, but get it memorized and it's not that bad.
...well I guess I should make my opinion *loads up rare replay*
13:28 “There’s a lot of black widows so it’s very easy to-“
Ad: “Fine your relief”.
Ah yes, black widows are known to be relieving
I mean, they tend to relieve me of any constipation I may have.
I have very little patience for condescension over game difficulty, especially when it comes to experienced players talking to inexperienced ones. It's a lesson I learned watching a different person from the old LP subforum play through Link to the Past blind and alone.
I've played LttP into the dirt and know the game backwards and forwards, so I always felt like I was a really easy, straightforward game. That person ended up hating it and quitting after Misery Mire because it was tedious and difficult to understand. Watching, I realized I'd fallen into the right side of the Dunning-Kruger curve. It's easy to say something is easy when you've done it 100 times before
I've played ALTTP 20+ times and still hate Misery Mire, and Turtle Rock's Boss lol. I kinda suck at the game tbh
Go watch games' urnalists play then.
You'll know the difference between a beginner and an idiot.
Sounds like that loser needed to Git Gud, like the rest of us.
It's not hard.
This is one of the most interesting Donkey Kong Country playthroughs I've seen. Different for sure.
Two things, related: 1) That Simba grabbing ledges is damned close to the way Mufasa is holding onto the ledge before Scar does his thing, which I find highly entertaining for some reason. 2) Every time I see Simba grabbing the ledges I hear Guile's Theme from SF 2 in my head.
Can I just say, like, as someone who watched your LPs since the Google Video/SA days, that it's just nice to have these back. The streams have been absolutely wonderful but a chill laid back LP is just what the world needed in 2021.
Oh hey, Jon is playing the Lion King for the SNES!
...O h n o, Jon is PLAYING the Lion King for the SNES!!!
Man, I remember playing this game in my childhood. Was impressed by how difficult it was, but I don't recall if I beat it, myself. I will report back to edit this comment once I witness Jon playing the game for himself.
Edit: Man, Jon makes watching this a whole lot easier. Guess the moral is 'play the game a lot in your childhood, you'll be good at it when you grow up' lol
Still, it was nice to see someone I grew up watching play a game I've played growing up on.
1:11:09 That's actually really interesting and shows that the cutscene is probably being run in-game with Scar as the "playable" character. That tells me that you can probably hack the game to allow you to "play" as Scar's silhouette in other levels, though he probably wouldn't be able to move around or anything since he's not meant to be playable in any actual levels.
Hot take: kids who said the game is “hard” were actually talking about the lousy hit detection and unclear level design. They just didn’t have the vocabulary for it.
Yeah I don’t like this game
Always tune in for side-splitting quality content. Upside down run did not disappoint.
Rest of the gam was a fun watch, too.
I rented this game more than once when I was a kid. I never got past the second level legit consistently, maybe once or twice, only to immediately die on the next level and then not want to struggle through it again. But I wound up seeing the whole game using that level select code. Something about that double jump on the ostrich just never clicked in my kid-brain.
Ah, Simba: the ultimate attack kitten.
I always really liked this game as a kid even though I never beat it. I do remember getting further and further in the game whenever attempting it so I knew I'd get it eventually but ran out of time before we switched to the N64 since we only ever had room for one active system at a time.
10:25 And that specific double-jump is what walled me in this game. I have never gotten past that one specifically.
I assume my timing is just bad, 'cause you got to get the Ostrich between the nests and I think it always lands on the nest for me, which I think kills it.
It's kind of hard to tell what you messed up on in this section because it goes by so fast.
that sounds about right actually. Its very possible to both jump too early, and too late, causing either Simba to be clotheslined by the ABSURDLY solid nest, or the ostrich to trip over the nest and either one counts as 'you failed, die."
From my limited time of playing it as a kid I don't think I ever got past stage 2. Whether it's the game's fault or me being bad at video games as kid I don't know. But I do know there's enough people for whom Stage 2 was a roadblock.
EDIT: played Genesis version out of curiosity and Double Jump in Can't Wait to be King is constantly screwing me up. Seems like point at which you need to jump is very specific. And that's in first section with guides.
EDIT2: Figured out timing, but now I'm a bit walled at 2nd Monkey section (mainly logs). To not burn continues I don't activate final checkpoint to be in a life loop from previous section.
EDIT3: After giving it a good try without save states I managed to reach Hakuna Matata logs before running out of continues and lives. Still can't say this game is easy. Especially since swing jump feels awkward and aiming at near edge of platform (or sometimes jumping backwards for more consistency) instead of platform itself is not most intuitive thing for me.
I got pass level 2 a couple times and 3 probably twice, but after that just got lost
"Everything the lightning touches is probably dead"
Jon: Meticulously describing why this game isn't that hard
Me: Just vibing with the music
This is my favorite Old School Disney Game! I would change Simba's Destiny to be Level 8 instead of that Hard Be Prepared. So Level 7 would be Reunited, where Simba is running through the Jungle, fighting Leopards, Monkeys, and Spiders(Claws can now swipe through webs) to try and save Timon and Pumbaa. It would end with Nala as a boss, and when you defeat her, you get an animation of Nala pinning Simba as they recognize each other and embrace. I'd also change Mufasa's final line from "Everything the light touches is our Kingdom" to "Remember". That would've been a much better Lion King game. I'd love to see you do Let's Plays of Aladdin and Jungle Book(both for Sega Genesis)
As an adult without experience... the 2nd Ostrich Ride is "hard" from looking at it blind.
You'll die on the first obstacle and there are many you'll randomly die on... and if you were a kid in this era playing on a difficult other then the hardest meant you might not get to see the rest of the game. So you'll go into it with 0-2 lives while even as an adult with a consistent 2 lives...
There is a very really chance you'll die on each obstacle 2-3 times because they try to throw you off.
It is like the Turbo Tunnel, it is "hard" because you don't know the pattern but when you finally learn it then it becomes significantly easier. In other words... very bad trial and error design.
1:11:50 Jon has the most genuine laughs and you can't convince me otherwise.
Ah, The Lion King SNES... I made all the way to the end... Just to fail to get the throw. EVERY. TIME.
Also, made by Virgin Interactive, Sir Richard Branson made into space today.
Also also, I only remembered after Jon got to it, my problematic stage was The Stampede, so, thanks Jon, for resurfacing my forgotten trauma!
I zoned out for a second during the start of the video and the very first thing I saw was "slash (adult)" this activated my fight or flight response, and I don't know how to feel about that.
Bad fanfiction vibes intensify!
Despite reading tons of fanfic over the years I never actually learned what slash means, only that I don't want to read it. Is it just gay relationships, or does it imply actual sex? ...maybe this is not the correct place to talk about it.
Still, 'mpreg' is worse.
Jon: "Upside down run is doable, this is your chance internet!"
Summoning Salt: [We're Finally Landing intensifies]
Too bad no one is going to attempt it.
100% would watch more playthroughs like this - a combination of memories, showing off knowledge and even finding new things.
46:07
*Angry "OH!"* "That will kill you when a TRAP FALLS ON YOU! Simba's sprite is too big!"
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
So what I learned is that Mufasa had his difficulty set to "Difficult"
Man I'm really enjoyed this episode of ProtonJon's Donkey Kong Country Let's Play
Look forward to the next part, which will secretly be a playthrough of Aero the Acrobat. Why would he play that if he deliberately said he wouldn't? Reverse psychology, friend. Besides, he didn't say he wouldn't play Donkey Kong Country, and thats what Aero the Acrobat is - Donkey Kong Country!
BRB, my brains slid out of my ears again
Those cheat codes were crazy, what a weird bonus for a game. I'm curious on how the bonus games are upside down with Timon and Pumba, it must be hell to navigate the bug maze with Timon so close to the bottom of the screen
Another way to remember Stalactite/Stalagmite:
SlataCtites grow from the Ceiling
StalaGmites grow from the Ground
_Another_ way to remember stalactites/stalagmites:
StalacTITEs stick TIGHTly to the roof.
StalagMITEs MIGHT get there if they try.
When Jon said "stalagtite" I got real mad for half a second. Why were we all so concerned about the proper names for cave spikes as kids?
The second one is good for remembering which word is which. The first one is good for remembering that they're not both spelled with a "G".
I can't believe Death Water's back...i'm so happy
I was not a great gamer as a kid, but I could get pretty far in the game before I had problems. It was the bats on the lava river that I couldn't quite get. Then it took me forever to figure out what I was supposed to do after that with the lava shoots. Favorite stage was definitely the Hakuna Matata stage! I loved zipping around on the waterfalls and climbing the giant one.
Thank you for revisiting and talking in-depth about this favorite from my childhood. Glad to know someone else liked it!
A pattern I find when I see other Let's players play some "difficult", "unfair", or "boring" games is that they seem impatient and reckless. Instead of taking the time to experiment with the controls, and finding tactics to defeat certain enemies, they often just rush in guns blazing and blame the game when they die.
That's a refreshing detail with ProtonJon, if it's not Superman 64 he owns up
Or a lot of people brought it as children like you did and struggled a lot but never tried to play it again when they were older. I had this problem with yosih island ds which I plan to replay later this year they was one level kid me couldn’t do and I just gave up on it but current me could probably do since it probably wasn’t that hard
That was me with Lilo and Stitch for the GBA. One of my first games i owned as a kid but couldn’t get past the first Lilo level. Went back last week to finally beat it. It’s doable, but definitely a lot harder than i was expecting for a movie tie in game for kids
Stream idea for Jon, upside-down run of Lion King.
Oh my god, Jon is uploading regularly. I didn't want to say anything too soon in case it was just a fluke, but he's doing it! I'm so happy for this!
53:35 - "It's COOL!"
Oh my god, that was the most young Simba "Cool!" I've ever heard and I don't even think you did that on purpose.
Man this was a great video over all. I think you should do more like this. Deconstructing difficult games to show they really aren’t so bad.
"...the Donkey Kong Country LP I've been doing--"
You can't invent quotation marks big enough to fit that statement lol
1:14:32 I would like to point out, because Scar's throwing animation is made to be in line with Simba's, it means there are just some parts that aren't visible when playing in upside-down mode, which *really* makes this funnier than it already is.
I've been playing this game since I was 8 years old, I keep playing it here and there because of the nostalgia I feel and because it's a great game, I HAD NEVER REALIZED THERE WERE BONUS STAGE BUGS, I knew those bugs looked different but I never tried to find out if they had a specific function, I can't believe I found out something new about this game after 20 years of playing it, ever since I was a child I thought you had to press A during the Mufasa cutscene or when the screen turns black lol, thanks for finally clarifying this man.
Funny thing you might find interesting, the NES Version of Lion King (also the final officially licensed game for the platform in any region, released on May 25 1995, exclusively in Europe), completely cuts out the Adult Simba levels for some reason, meaning the game ends when you defeat the gorilla in Hakuna Matata.
Also, there was a leaked prototype of the SNES version released not too long ago, and it turns out that that prototype has far more in common with the Game Gear version, which is mildly interesting.
"I hope Nathan Hill wins a lot of awards for that."
Nathan LANE, but yeah.
upside down Scar fight reminds me of watching two cats with glass between them
oh man are we back in 2006 when Jon would start LPs and then post tons of random SIDE LPs and not touch the original one for over a decade like Superman 64? XD
Nah, we'll probably be back to dkc on thursday. Sunday is the random video day, while thursday is the main lp day
“Everything the light touches is our kingdom.”
Like explosions?
As someone who grew up playing the C&C games, I do find it a bit sad that they seem to be known to some people (not Jon, to be clear) mostly because of that stupid space meme that comes from the worst of them all, Red Alert 3. That's like if, say, the Zelda series was mainly known through the CDi games. Still, at least it was fun seeing Frank Klepacki worked on the music for this game!
One comment I feel needs to be left, as someone else who has played this game constantly, and remembers struggling against Scar like crazy.
On Easy, you can do anything you want.
On Medium and Difficult; DO NOT use the Maul on him, unless he is panting. You can pounce, you can claw; but if you try to throw Scar, and he is not panting; he will tackle you and maul you like crazy. On Medium, it hurts a lot, but on difficult, this is basically an instant death. You can hit X repeatedly to get out, but he damages you so fast, you likely won't be able to.
That fight with Scar somehow reminded me of that scene in Saints Row 2 where Johnny Gat destroying Shogo Akuji and repeating "Get up."
*Paws Scar in the face* Get up.
*Throws Scar around* Get up.
*Mauls Scar's face* Get up.
This game was hard to play when I was a kid. I never got past the maze until I was in college. Also I had the genesis version. I have to say the audio I feel is better in the genesis version. Everything feels off with the snes soundtrack.
I grew up with the SNES version, and looking at the Genesis version gives the same feeling of everything seeming off with the Genesis soundtrack. The dialogue definitely seems cleaner, but the audio, different fonts, etc, makes it feel wrong to me.
The joys of two gaming platforms being pretty different, huh?
It’s funny that the other game I know of that gives me the same impression is Bubsy 1 of all things (only two months apart between SNES and Genesis versions).
@@ProtonJon Yea, it's actually funny how such a small change can lead to different opinions for the exact same game.
The SNES roar for kid Simba really annoys me for some reason compared to Genesis, and I don't know why.
@@TheRhoxShifter probably cause the SNES roar is some dinky goofy little mock cat noise, when the Genesis one was Simba's actual kid attempt at roaring.
As a whole, I think the Super NES version seems considerably more polished than the Mega Drive version. And as for the music, the Super NES version uses actual instrument sounds, so it ends up sounding more like the instruments used in the movie. Or at least instruments that sound African to the player.
Nice to see someone who also doesn't/didn't think this game is hard! I used to play it on PC when I was young.
Fun fact: I played this at a LAN once in college and everyone thought it was crazy how I "was doing so well". I was only on stage 2. Now I finally know people regard it as hard; back then I was just confused.
I have a similar reaction to you whenever I reach the "Be Prepared" stage. It's just awful and annoying. It's the only place I struggled outside of the final fight (because I constantly forgot how to 'judo flip' Scar off the ledge).
As for the upside-down mode, it looks so bizarre! Never knew about it and it looks so interesting~
I’m one of those kids that never made it past the 2nd stage. I just can’t wait to be king still haunts me till this day.
Imagining Timone saying "Hakuna Matata. It means no worries. Just let the ape kill himself" is the funniest image 32:56
You know what's a funny thing I noticed while watching this? This video took a hour and sixteen minutes. The Lion King movie is an hour and twenty-eight minutes...so if you think about it, you could watch Lion King in just a little over the time it takes to watch this~
"Everything the light touches is upside-down"
Was it bad that after "It Starts" I expected Jon to switch to another game? 😅
I love how a lot of people look back at this game going "Before the Souls games, there was THIS!"
Now we need to start a meme where we start comparing hard video games to The Lion King a la “Cuphead is the *The Lion King* of the 1930’s-based shoot-em-ups”.
Question is, will Jon play the bootleg of this game as well?
"Everything the light touches is our kingdom."
"What about that shadowy place?"
"Well, Jon's playing, so that's probably a graphical glitch."
12:45 - "I'm a chuckster!"
The only real issue I had from the 'Can't Wait to be King' stage was the occasional bug where simba gets stuck on the wrong side of the giraffe. Other than that, that lava stage is a cruel mistress.
It's been a long time since I've stopped by PJ's channel, but hearing his voice over a game of insane nostalgia for me is like the old days of Mario Rom Hacks. A lot has changed, but a lot still stays the same, and I'm so glad this popped up in my recommended. I needed this today. 💗
To be fair, I did play this when I was a kid, I think the Genesis version specifically… And just used a level select cheat to skip stage 2. The rest of the game I managed fine.
Also whenever Jon imitates Simba's 'Cool!', my mind just immediately goes to 'Looking cool, Joker!'
Among other things, it's amusing to see that adult Simba swinging animation.
The damn ostrich sections. The obstacles were impossible to see on a little old television when I was a kid. And I couldn't understand that the nests were an obstacle.
I actually really enjoyed the monkey puzzles even as a kid.
Also I learned a lot about this game I didn't know, thank you Jon.
Man you made this game look easier than it was when I beat it as a child. It took me a long time and a lot of luck to get through it.
Never would I see the day where this channel would have a review and let's play video in one.
Sooooo is this when Jon becomes a speedrunner and brings upside down Lion King runs to GDQ events? Because I'd be here for it.
This just got me through a very bad day, never managed to get past the cub simba stages and I was really interested to see the rest of the game with such detailed explanations. Awesome video had to subscribe!
Huh. My mental aid for stalagtites vs stalagmites is that a T looks like a downward spike and an M looks like two upward spikes.
Yes, that is the comment I choose to leave under this video.
Another way to remember it is stalaGmites are on the Ground and StalaCtites are on the Ceiling.
ok. That whole end sequence was Amazing. I laughed just as loud as you did when you first smacked Scar from below. Also, of course, it was actually easier than when you went through normally.
As a big Command and Conquer fan as a kid, it’s always a trip to see games like this are made by Westwood Studios.
1:03:23 I love how Simba is looking around like "Where the hell is everyone?!"
I remember watching someone else play this game. And he didn't know you actually have to throw Scar off the edge. He was using the invulnerability cheat, so I thought the game made itself unwinnable to punish using a cheatcode.
..... but all this time you could just throw him off!?
Well, yes, you basically need to do it like in the movie.
Man, it was so good in the movie when Simba kept trying to flip Scar off the ledge but he kept standing there panting and jumping away and being too far away from the edge to be flipped all the way over.
34:37 The DOS version of the game has the sparkle noise in during Cub Simba levels as well. He still says, "Cool," but only when he picks up 1-Ups and Continues.