Japan really has some influence on the meta. Zangief hasn’t won a single major and nobody outside of Japan really talks about him, yet he got nerfed this hard while real threats like Rashid go ignored.
Once again, I have to stress that Gief could have gotten way worse in terms of nerfs. I know the scaling bad, but knowing the history of this character I suspected a complete gutting, so if anything im impressed he got to keep as much tools as he did Now im not saying we should shrug off these changes and call everyone dooming over Gief babies either, im more just looking at the positives and knowing that it could have been way worse. We aint frogs, so we still gotta be alert if the water starts boiling
why does everyone get massive damage on combos but zangief gets nerfed. Terry alone has some stupid easy high damage combos which most likely won't get nerfed at all.
"...aaand I'm sorry" got me haha. Man this sucks but I'm hopeful the new oki will make up for the other nerfs. It seems like we got rolled back to a slightly better S1 Gief, which could be okay, assuming the rest of the cast isn't way overtuned in comparison. Ugh.
I will be protesting the Zangief headbutt nerf with my Headbutt protest combo… Neutral jump headbutt Headbutt DRC Headbutt DRC Headbutt Hell stab Level 2 then Headbutt and convert into level 1 Dash in all burned out….YOLO another Headbutt
So just so I understand this. In past entries zangief had vile vortexes and entered the grappler lottery several times a set, right? And this mode of interaction was deemed too much. Let's ignore that a lot of the current cast run you down from full screen and hit confirm a fireball then get 3 way mix oki off every combo. So in order to compensate for spd having very low to no oki in this game they gave him mean combo and pressure tools. ... but now they're making his combo game objectively worse and giving him better oki as a trade..? Am I understanding this right? Is that the goal of the +8? Or is it given a lot less though than that and it's a nothing-burger change to prevent riots while making it easier for less mechanical players to combo with 2mp instead of hellstab?
I’ve tried this but I’m not sure if this is real or fake, but after doing the bnb headbutt combo with them in the corner I jump and do down air HP and I’ve clipped them during their EX DP because of the cross up but I’m still clipped by crouching fierce or another Zangief’s lariat, either way this is sad for giefs cause most of these characters including us had the ability to take more than half your health, but unlike us we don’t have buttons like the previous dlc character Bison, so now we have to go back to hoping they “act like they won’t get command grabbed” and don’t cross jump us in our faces. (Especially with our anti air problem)
Did some labbing on Zangief's 6HP (Headbutt) DR 6HP +12 onHit, comboes into 12f Sweep: with +10f if you dash afterwards. If opp 4f mashes: You can (I think?) stMP ch TC stLK ch DR 6HP ch trade? DR (wip) Also, Kobanyan's crLP into 6HP ch trade, can lead to this +10 Sweep too?
I feel gutted by the scaling nerf, it just means that you have to make even more absurd reads with spd and there is still no other way to play gief, like you can use headbutt less
I think I am done with this game. I don't play any other characters and I am tired having to fight the system as well as my opponent, damage is what Gief has and taking this away makes little sense when you needed to land a 13F HB to get it. Also, Capcom did not add the ground bounce to HB when hitting an airborne opponent but DJ got it added with his axe kick... Looking at the rest of the cast, they reverted lots of nerfs from S2 update (thanks for the scissor kick nerf). Thanks for the video.
@@SassyRiolu Needing 1 more interaction to kill is pretty bad, I stuck with him trough the whole s1, but seeing the top tiers still untouched, the JP, Ed and Sim buffs. I dont have the strength to stay a loyal fan, I'll just uninstall if I dont find another character that I want to play.
@@SassyRiolu Since I was playing him to do high dammages, even if he is still the same on a lot of things, seing such low dammages on the combos who used to do a lot is a destroyer of hype for me...
I think he needs a second move to add to combos because everything involves headbutt. If it were the move to mix someone on block but we had other combo filler that would be nice. But stHK only works AFTER headbutt, so there’s just no way to not headbutt in combos. Maybe create a new move on him or change the properties of some of his moves because there is just no heavy move that doesn’t apply insane scaling for combos and doesn’t launch.
@@LakeEarth helps condition opponents to block more, leading to stronger strike throw mixups. Also, being able to combo from dr into cr. Hp and sweep opens up new routes.
I did miss smth, should have watched till the end before. We'll see I guess, just pretty sad that they got his dammages lower, I was playing Gief to do high dammages. He is still the same on a lot of things, but seing such low dammages on the combos who used to do a lot is a destroyer of hype for me.
@@Vyke-k2h cr. mp linking is a secondary benefit. It's really about the extra point blank frame, as well as extra options out of Dr headbutt, including oki opportunities. But yes, having two options from headbutt adds another another layer to the opponents mental stack, which, if not a net benefit, at least mitigates the nerf considerably.
Such B.S. if they don't want the character in the game just delete him or don't even include him in the first place 🤦🏾♂️😂... But let's give JP back his D.HP and give more advantage on him button leaving him closer to you 🙄
Capcom didn't nerf Zangief enough. They should have swapped his health for Akuma's given how opponent grabs with high jump landings do as much damage as a raging demon.
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Japan really has some influence on the meta. Zangief hasn’t won a single major and nobody outside of Japan really talks about him, yet he got nerfed this hard while real threats like Rashid go ignored.
Lmao it makes no damn sense
Not an ounce of compensation while everyone else gets rebuffed and untouched.
They really want gief to be high risk, mid/inconsistent reward
Thank you for the quick release. The gief struggle continues but we must continue to truck on. Rip knee
RIP headbutt
Anyone ditching gief now is NOT a loyal fan 😤
Yes
I ditched him when he got buffed. Went to Jamie 😂 I'm not sure what that says about me
Just annoying that they didn't do anything akuma, ken and cammy.
@@thatguy330they should leave akuma having low health balances him out imo
Facts. Zangief and Alex were my mains in 5. Gief is my main in 6 unless Alex comes out.
Fuck, the damage scale of the HB nealy kills his BnB combo. I think its not worth to finish this combo with OD Lariat -> LV2 or 3 anymore.
Not worth it at all
Also no point punishing with it either, punching with 3hp instead lmao
25% damage scaling on headbutt, no oki on spd, no reversal, inconsistencies on anti-air and simple combos... just remove him from the game?
Bro the inconsistency is what kills me the most.
Two words... Sonic boom
He's garbage now
They really just should of decreased headbutt damage instead of scaling, pretty much nerfs every practical Gief combo
Ok the nerf happened, but what about balancing it with some buffs that he desperately needs...
Yep, make stomp more useful, Buff/remove tundra storm, or make lv1 better...but instead nothing
Its over, it has never been more over before.
Once again, I have to stress that Gief could have gotten way worse in terms of nerfs. I know the scaling bad, but knowing the history of this character I suspected a complete gutting, so if anything im impressed he got to keep as much tools as he did
Now im not saying we should shrug off these changes and call everyone dooming over Gief babies either, im more just looking at the positives and knowing that it could have been way worse. We aint frogs, so we still gotta be alert if the water starts boiling
i'm convinced SF's design team has no idea what they're doing.
Sfv season 3 came early
Im takin a break. Like, for 3 days... but a break 😂
why does everyone get massive damage on combos but zangief gets nerfed. Terry alone has some stupid easy high damage combos which most likely won't get nerfed at all.
The headbutt nerf will only cement who really is, a loyal fan. Good luck tweaking your game plans comrades.
Do we have to bring our own pitchforks and torches or will they be handed out when we riot?
I told you, the nerffs were incoming
what about Bison Akuma Ken Rashid and Ed?
Bison actually got nerfed. Scissor got reduced pushback on block, so you can punish him more easily.
Still they didn't nerf his dmg or od crusher
"...aaand I'm sorry" got me haha. Man this sucks but I'm hopeful the new oki will make up for the other nerfs. It seems like we got rolled back to a slightly better S1 Gief, which could be okay, assuming the rest of the cast isn't way overtuned in comparison. Ugh.
Bro... ain't no way you think this is slightly better S1 Gief lmao. He's so much better now, even post nerf.
@@epicgamerman2510The knee is worse now i guess
@@epicgamerman2510don't expect a gief main to not be insanely overdramatic
@@epicgamerman2510 No you're right, I meant knee but didn't make it clear
@@cosmic5665 "insanely overdramatic" lol dude look at your own comment
At least make sense of the tundra-storm CAPCOM !!!!!!
Wow RIP headbutt combos😭
Rumor going around that jumping headbutt hitbox got buffed
Hello Grapplers! Unfortunate about the headbutt scaling given the risk involved in using headbutt was already kind of high
I will be protesting the Zangief headbutt nerf with my Headbutt protest combo…
Neutral jump headbutt
Headbutt
DRC
Headbutt
DRC
Headbutt
Hell stab
Level 2 then Headbutt and convert into level 1
Dash in all burned out….YOLO another Headbutt
My god. If they had only reduced the scaling and kept the nerfs, I wouldn’t complain. 25% additional scaling is horrendous.
So just so I understand this. In past entries zangief had vile vortexes and entered the grappler lottery several times a set, right? And this mode of interaction was deemed too much. Let's ignore that a lot of the current cast run you down from full screen and hit confirm a fireball then get 3 way mix oki off every combo.
So in order to compensate for spd having very low to no oki in this game they gave him mean combo and pressure tools. ... but now they're making his combo game objectively worse and giving him better oki as a trade..?
Am I understanding this right? Is that the goal of the +8? Or is it given a lot less though than that and it's a nothing-burger change to prevent riots while making it easier for less mechanical players to combo with 2mp instead of hellstab?
I’ve tried this but I’m not sure if this is real or fake, but after doing the bnb headbutt combo with them in the corner I jump and do down air HP and I’ve clipped them during their EX DP because of the cross up but I’m still clipped by crouching fierce or another Zangief’s lariat, either way this is sad for giefs cause most of these characters including us had the ability to take more than half your health, but unlike us we don’t have buttons like the previous dlc character Bison, so now we have to go back to hoping they “act like they won’t get command grabbed” and don’t cross jump us in our faces. (Especially with our anti air problem)
Did some labbing on Zangief's 6HP (Headbutt)
DR 6HP +12 onHit, comboes into 12f Sweep: with +10f if you dash afterwards.
If opp 4f mashes: You can (I think?)
stMP ch TC
stLK ch DR
6HP ch trade?
DR (wip)
Also, Kobanyan's crLP into 6HP ch trade, can lead to this +10 Sweep too?
I feel gutted by the scaling nerf, it just means that you have to make even more absurd reads with spd and there is still no other way to play gief, like you can use headbutt less
So they want us to use more spd over combos
yeah this is my thought. To them, Gief is all about SPD and other throws, and not about combos.
Makes sense sometimes giefs used to combo me up , I feel like I was fighting juri 😂😂😂
@@venivediicommented4046😂
Stupid, stupid stupid changes
I think I am done with this game.
I don't play any other characters and I am tired having to fight the system as well as my opponent, damage is what Gief has and taking this away makes little sense when you needed to land a 13F HB to get it.
Also, Capcom did not add the ground bounce to HB when hitting an airborne opponent but DJ got it added with his axe kick...
Looking at the rest of the cast, they reverted lots of nerfs from S2 update (thanks for the scissor kick nerf).
Thanks for the video.
Uninstalled the game. I can't stand a Season 1 part 2
I dont wanna play zangief anymore
Wdym man. These changes aren't the worst. Still a much better character than he was in season 1
@@SassyRiolu Needing 1 more interaction to kill is pretty bad, I stuck with him trough the whole s1, but seeing the top tiers still untouched, the JP, Ed and Sim buffs.
I dont have the strength to stay a loyal fan, I'll just uninstall if I dont find another character that I want to play.
@@SassyRiolu Since I was playing him to do high dammages, even if he is still the same on a lot of things, seing such low dammages on the combos who used to do a lot is a destroyer of hype for me...
@@SassyRiolushoto fighter 6;Don't bother playing unless your main is shoto
I think the nerf should have targeted the gauge chip and plus frame on headbutt, not the damage.
I think he needs a second move to add to combos because everything involves headbutt. If it were the move to mix someone on block but we had other combo filler that would be nice. But stHK only works AFTER headbutt, so there’s just no way to not headbutt in combos.
Maybe create a new move on him or change the properties of some of his moves because there is just no heavy move that doesn’t apply insane scaling for combos and doesn’t launch.
I think the damage nerf was intended to be offset by the frame buff. I'm optimistic.
I don't really see how the frame buff helps. It makes SA2 combos easier from crMP, but that doesn't make him better.
@@LakeEarth helps condition opponents to block more, leading to stronger strike throw mixups. Also, being able to combo from dr into cr. Hp and sweep opens up new routes.
@@jdfreeze How being able to do c.mp instead of hellstab on HIT will help anything on strike / throw mixup? I'm missing smth here
I did miss smth, should have watched till the end before. We'll see I guess, just pretty sad that they got his dammages lower, I was playing Gief to do high dammages.
He is still the same on a lot of things, but seing such low dammages on the combos who used to do a lot is a destroyer of hype for me.
@@Vyke-k2h cr. mp linking is a secondary benefit. It's really about the extra point blank frame, as well as extra options out of Dr headbutt, including oki opportunities.
But yes, having two options from headbutt adds another another layer to the opponents mental stack, which, if not a net benefit, at least mitigates the nerf considerably.
Clearly they want take Zangief from the competition.
Such B.S. if they don't want the character in the game just delete him or don't even include him in the first place 🤦🏾♂️😂... But let's give JP back his D.HP and give more advantage on him button leaving him closer to you 🙄
well im take a rest till the next patch.. just remove him so I can unonsatll the game at this point.. the only thing he had is high damage
lmao, bottom 1 4 lyfe baybee!
Hes still above average lol, he still has some of the best neutral, buttons, and pressure in the game not to mention his drive chip and meter gain
Terrible changes honestly
Ahhh cool, they made him unplayable again. Maybe I'll start playing him again.
Uhhh hes still good lol
@@cosmic5665 not for long apparently
@@cosmic5665did u see the scale? od lariat into level 3 not even break 5k imma uninstall;they nerfed most of gief combo route
Am i the only gief main that doesn't pretend hes not good?
please tell me this is an April fools joke............
Capcom didn't nerf Zangief enough. They should have swapped his health for Akuma's given how opponent grabs with high jump landings do as much damage as a raging demon.
I'm gonna miss spamming knee but tbh this nerf is perfectly reasonable
Nope
Almost every other character can get in for free or low risk
I uninstalled this garbage game
But show us non gief players the damage all in so we can be happy. Why you keep cutting the video right when i wanna see the total damage?