Robotwars Series 5 Heat A Part 4
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- The fifth wars saw a return to the same fighting format as Series 3, with 4 one on one clashes for round 1 and it was similar to Series 3 with 8 contestants a heat. The question on everybody's mind was if the two time and current Robotwars UK Champion Chaos 2, could clinch an unthinkable third title. The familiar faces of Craig Charles and Johnathan Pearce remain in the spotlight and Phillipa Forrester has returned for the fifth wars. The 8 robots in Heat A are Chaos 2, Storm, The Steel Avenger, The Tartan Terror, B645T, T-Bone, S.M.I.D.S.Y. and Obsidian.
LET THE FIFTH WARS BEGIN!
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Philippa is right, George Francis and co. were such a humble team. Even when they knew they were sure winners, they still played the game like it was a threat to them. They never knocked a robot and they never went along with all the hype they were given. Brilliant people who I'm so glad I got to meet back when I was only a little 'un.
Fun fact: After both robots were counted out in this battle, SMIDSY slipped off the arena side wall and pitted Chaos 2, but the judges called for a rematch on the grounds that both robots were immobilized for over 30 seconds
OMG i never knew that
The thing I think that made Chaos 2 so impressive was that there was no other robot that could just wipe it out easy, they got beaten over the years true but for instance other phenomenal robots, Razer just couldnt seem to beat Pussycat, Firestorm just couldn't seem to beat Razer, Panic Attack couldnt beat Firestorm, Pussycat couldn't beat Tornado. Even though they got beaten they did seem impervious to other designs having a natural advantage over them.
+tufty1990 I don't think it was that the other robots always had one that they would fail to(in fact, Chaos2 had that too against Razer and axe robots) but more how Chaos 2 won a trophy and defended it, with a completely unchanged machine, on the next year.
It was also in Series3, I think that was the first one that they started broadcasting and translating to other languages, so for many people it was the first series of Robot Wars. Dunno if they stopped broadcasting after Series4(I don't remember seeing 5 or 6 as a kid, but then again I didn't remember much from 4).
Are you joking razer beat chaos 2 every time cause the bottle was to easy to get to and razer could pierce there body and get to the wheels. Also both times pussycat won was a fault in the razer machine
James C
That's what I meant...
"I don't think that the reason why Chaos2 was so popular was because they wouldn't have a robot that they would never fail to. In fact they had the same trouble against Razer and Axe based robots", rewrite of what I said before.
Razer never damaged their wheels and Pussycat both times legitimately immobilized Razer(attacking a machine which leads to it acting odd does count as victory for Pussycat.)
+r543Blitzsonic replying to the first comment haha not you
The second time that Pussycat beat Razer was because it shredded Razer's rear wheels to the point that they no longer touched the ground. .
Chaos is pure awsome at 7:18. Craig gives him the proper finishing speech that a champion should get. "THE TWO TIMES U.K CHAMPION. THE MIGHTY...CHAOS 2...!" x
I always liked SMIDSY. One of the more underrated robots. It's unfortunate it keeps having to go against the super champion material bots so early.
@athull08 I believe that if it was placed there by another robot's attack, it should be considered immobile. However, if they were accidently caught on the side wall, then they shouldn't be considered immobile and the Refbot should try to get them down.
9:14 Well said Captain George, Well Said!☺😊👏👏👏👏👏
Forget imitations from foreign shores? O_o Is he talking about Battlebots?
Yep.
Even though the Robot Wars name was licensed from America, and when America wanted to use the name for their own show the BBC were like "fuk off m8", forcing them to name the show Battlebots.
Smidsy team was so amazing in the heat final .bless them .chaos2 was also amazing in the heat final .well done teams 👍
The UK vs USA shouldve basically been Robotwars vs Battlebots (I do think that most of the Battlebots were overweight though) Ziggo vs Hypnodisc wouldve been great, Toro vs Chaos 2 as well
I don't really know the rules regarding a robot being stranded against the arena wall, but if they were counting SMIDSY as immobilised, then surely Chaos 2 should have won the original battle, because SMIDSY got stuck before Chaos 2 flipped itself. They weren't immobilised at the same time at all.
Something quite similar happened in Chaos' series 4 semi against Tornado, but that was never shown or even mentioned.
Chaos 2 were a bit careless in flipping themselves. This was the first of many flipper problems for Chaos 2 self righting wise.
Glad there was a rematch instead of a crappy judgement
SMIDSY came pretty close to breaking another light!
I loved chaos 2 teams honesty
It has to be said, but there was a lot of rule-twisting here....the rules CLEARLY say that a pin or stack does not count as immobilisation. That apparantly doesn't count when the champion is on the line.
@MrDemonwatcher That makes sense, expecially based on something JP said in series 6, when Firestorm flipped X-Terminator against the wall. He said "Ref Bot can't remove them because they weren't impaled accidentally, they were pushed on by an opponent".
Poor SMIDSY just couldn't catch a break, always let down by bad luck in battles, or drawn against reigning/former champions. It's not just that SMIDSY would have been let down from the wall in other cases, but Chaos 2 was allowed to make repairs- it couldn't self right because the polycarb flipper cover was flapping loose, while in the restart, it fired its flipper and the polycarb was clearly stuck down and repaired.
Craig's signing off speech at 9:32. A reference to the then newly launched Battlebots perhaps?
this heat sets the tone for the rest of the seires.
@athull08 The rules say that you can't win a battle by pinning another robot. Likewise, if a robot is stuck against something, such as an arena hazard or, as in this case, the arena wall, it can't be left there. I'm assuming the rule was added to prevent battles like Spawn of Scutter vs Panic Attack the previous year happening again.
In this case, there were two options for S.M.I.D.S.Y. - either Chaos 2 flipped it out of the arena, or Refbot or any of the House Robots removed it.
Tornado's wheels was touching the ground.
but wasen't the tornado fight in series 4 restarted twice? i know it was never show on tv but still
@KillDozer123 You're saying leaning a robot against the wall, like SMIDSY was, doesn't count as immobilisation?? If so, that's a ridiculous rule!
@ 2:44 High waisted trousers for the win it seems! :P
9:32 So true, Mr. Charles.
(well, maybe not the first, but the best)
@FuzzyDaKirbyFan Controversial, maybe, but trust me when I say there was no rulebreaking. Also, the judges did spend a long time judging...it was almost certainly to see if Tornado was technically pitted....and I guess they decided that Razer was still holding on.
Chaos 2 got very lucky there. Still, I suppose you can't say that the better robot lost. The thing about Chaos 2 is that even though it doesn't have any damaging weaponry, it flings stuff so high up that gravity does all the damage for it, even if the opponent is invertible or can self-right.
Also, really not a fan of Philippa in the pre-match interview thing with Team Chaos and S.M.I.D.S.Y. - way to make S.M.I.D.S.Y. sound like a shit robot, Philippa. I miss the old pit reporter - the one who back in Series 3 told every competitor that they could do it.
funny how only the bots on the left won in this heat
Technically, the rule is the robot has to be stuck to the wall, like on a grinder, accidently or by a house robot in order to not be considered immobile. In that case, Refbot will try to release the bot. In SMIDSY's case, it wasn't caught on the wall, it was leaning on it. So, the rule wasn't broken. It just meant they basically were fucked.
that was so scary. Thank god Chaos won! :)
Actually, BattleBots had been around for a few years, but he probably WAS talking about them. BattleBots is an American spinoff, but Robot Wars is the original. In my humble American opinion, the only thing BattleBots has over Robot Wars is Bill Nye.
Battlebots started a bit before Series 3, so if that was true, Craig was really behind on the times :P
In series 7, that would've went to S.M.I.D.S.Y
2:44 Look at George's trousers. lol
@KillDozer123 That rule makes sense, EXCEPT for being leant against the wall. That is ridiculous. I can't see what's wrong with battles like Spawn vs Panic attack.
What about 13 Black vs Firestorm in series 6 - wasn't 13 Black immbolised by being leant against the wall? And there's bound to be others
@KillDozer123 I know, mate :D
I'm not saying this against you, I'm just expressing my incredulity.
Before the battle started, I would have gone for Chaos 2.
Chaos 2 is my best robot! He just dominated all those robots!!!!
IRookiez Infinity x3 He had one move. No adaptability! They didn't bother updating him between wars. That just screams cockiness.
He's great and deserving of praise, but highly overrated.
tiamta Wouldn't really say overrated, that would be Razer, especially given how the producers wanted Razer to win many times. George Francis was a nice guy in Robot Wars, helping others, even outside the main events. As for Chaos2, it did get updated but that update was more of a downgrade in some ways as it made it's relieability way worse.
I'm assuming it's not your best robot, since you don't own it
Joe White
I think he meant "is my favorite robot"
Yes im bad at engrish sorrey
Oops, I didn't realize I had already replied to this before. Disregard these last two messages.
And Chaos2 is having problems already. Wonder if the Co2 bottle wasn't connected right anymore or if Chaos2 was just lacking flipping power, compared to Series 3 the flipper seems to go a lot slower, especially at the end, which might have been the missing push that's needed to self right.
Also interesting, the normal flips didn't seem as strong, was there just something going on with the Co2 gas bottle or did they have 2 different(one more powerful than the other) flips ?
+r543Blitzsonic I think their self righting problem was to their bigger scoop but i might be wrong because as u said their flips werent always have devastating as they could be
+Aiica What's confirmed/most people think, is the front armor being
broken. Smidsy broke it while driving up on Chaos2's flipper, and C2
sadly needs that to self right(you can see a image of Chaos2 without the
armor on the wiki, there's nothing there).
I think that was one of the flaws of George Francis' designs, relying too much on armor shape to self right.
The changes for Chaos2 were really making it unrelieable, would've loved to see how it did without those.
You probably already know, but the following changes were done in Extreme1 after the weight limit got increased:
Scoop Front Plate got bigger(not sure if that was already done in Series 4, can't find a list of changes)
Replaced Co2 Bottle with a bigger one(more flips)
Smaller Batteries(because of the Co2 Bottle getting into the way)
First relieability problems started in Extreme1, in it's first battle against Xterminator the Flipper would get jammed almost all the time, gas being unable to move out?
This effect is also noticeable on other battles, the flipper seems to close way slower.
The smaller batteries also meant less moving power and wearing down even quicker(Chaos2 wasn't a bot that lasted forever, it wasn't a "need to get the fight done in a few minutes") but if stuff went on for very long it would definitely get weaker.
Chaos2's armor was also a bit oudated by now, which meant it just got more fragile.
George Francis most likely wanted to upgrade Chaos2, and he should've, just like Team Tornado made a new Tornado after Series 4, bigger, so you can fit more stuff in now that the limit's 100kg, with stronger armor and a bigger Co2 bottle, maybe even new self righting mechanism, but he couldn't do it because he was low on money.
+Aiica What's confirmed/most people think, is the front armor being
broken. Smidsy broke it while driving up on Chaos2's flipper, and C2
sadly needs that to self right(you can see a image of Chaos2 without the
armor on the wiki, there's nothing there).
I think that was one of the flaws of George Francis' designs, relying too much on armor shape to self right.
The changes for Chaos2 were really making it unrelieable, would've loved to see how it did without those.
You probably already know, but the following changes were done in Extreme1 after the weight limit got increased:
Scoop Front Plate got bigger(not sure if that was already done in Series 4, can't find a list of changes)
Replaced Co2 Bottle with a bigger one(more flips)
Smaller Batteries(because of the Co2 Bottle getting into the way)
+Aiica First relieability problems started in Extreme1, in it's first battle
against Xterminator the Flipper would get jammed almost all the time,
gas being unable to move out?
This effect is also noticeable on other battles, the flipper seems to close way slower.
The smaller batteries also meant less moving power and wearing down even quicker(Chaos2 wasn't a bot that lasted forever, it wasn't a "need to get the fight done in a few minutes") but if stuff went on for very long it would definitely get weaker.
Chaos2's armor was also a bit oudated by now, which meant it just got more fragile.
George Francis most likely wanted to upgrade Chaos2, and he should've, just like Team Tornado made a new Tornado after Series 4, bigger, so you can fit more stuff in now that the limit's 100kg, with stronger armor and a bigger Co2 bottle, maybe even new self righting mechanism, but he couldn't do it because he was low on money.
r543Blitzsonic Such a shame, choas 2 is such a great bot for only £250 though i would hope he managed to sort out all of the kinks in its design in the later series (currently re watching them in order)
@FuzzyDaKirbyFan Because no rules were being broken then. -_-
I have to say Chaos 2 have got away with it first time around.
@athull08 Hey, I didn't make the rules. I'm just going by what I know.
The weight limit for Robot Wars was raised in S5 to the same level as Battlebots, so a crossover could have happened with the Battlebots Heavyweights (Ziggo and Toro couldn't though due to being underweight and overweight respectively.
There have been examples though of Robot Wars competitors in Battlebots though, namely Killerhurtz, Mortis, Panic Attack and Bigger Brother (under the name Little Sister)