The 3-position IPD adjustment was a major issue for me on the Q2 (and is part of the reason I kept my Q1 'til the Q3). Kudos to Meta for keeping the Q2 mechanism unmodified for repair though.
Pro tip: If you have any farsightedness, the glasses spacer can be a huge help. I find there's much more visual clarity with it in place, as well as far less eye strain.
"Fresnel lenses...use less computing power than the pancake lenses" - egh? Were you trying to say they are more optically efficient, so the panels can be ran at a lower brightness, therefore using less power? "Computing power" is a weird way of saying that.
It's a bit of a reach, but the pancake lenses provide a wider FOV which means there's more of any given scene being rendered vs something with a narrower FOV.
@@scheeseman486correct, but it’s a combination of the dual displays and the pancake lenses providing the wider FOV. The displays you could argue use more computing power, but not really as ultimately the rendering resolution of both headsets is identical by default. Although Quest 3 has a higher hardware ceiling and pixel per degree. Pancakes require way higher brightness and because of this a bigger more powerful battery.
@@scheeseman486The Q3's pancakes are physically larger and possibly set up closer to the eyes; there are Fresnel lenses in, say, the Pimax headsets that can give you 140°+ of horizontal FoV if you so desire, though Pimax headsets tend to have issues with weight as well as imperfect warp correction, "pupil swim" some call it.
Exactly the Meta series is supposed yo be the cheap consumer product. If you want high end, we'll there's several other high quality VR companies out there.
for the people replying to this guy, he's not the one saying "The feeling that cheap parts were done for financial gain", he's quoting the guy in the video at 8:41 and saying that he thinks otherwise lol
@@Soccerrockker6 I feel they could make small improvements, for very little extra cost, that they would soon get back with more store purchases. People won't be spending more money on games if their Quest is broken or uncomfortable to use.
1:41 And it was also a big problem with the rubber add-on that you would place on top of the foam seal, the sensor would cause a lot of trouble and randomly turn you off if you shook the device too much because the rubber seal would interfere with the sensors. some of us need that rubberized cover because the bare foam is kinda nasty and wears your skin down faster during longer sessions, lots of scratching the skin too with the foam. It's much better to manually turn the device on and off when ever you want to too.
i think there could be a major design improvement if the make some tweaks to the cooling layout, the battery could just have to slide out instead of having to disassemble everything
It wont turn on automatically if you put the headset on, you will need to press the power button. It will turn off automatically, after a certain amount of time with no movement
I don’t have the 3s but with my quest 2 I had the sensor covered with a piece of tape since it didn’t work properly and just turned it on and off myself using muscle memory after a while
u just push the power button to put it in sleep or get it out of sleep, tho if u put the headset down and it doesnt move for a few minutes, it will go to sleep, I think that feature can be desactivated in the settings
if the setup of the fresnel lenses are the same for a quest 2 and a quest 3S should also fit a prescription lenses fit from the quest 2 in the quest 3S should keep my budget low ? have you a way to see this . ok the buy it for the 2 and 3S but it look on the site also so simular ? thanks for the review.
you guys could weight how much the headset would be without the battery, the lcd screen and the plate on the front of the headset. Just for curiosity... if they use an external battery and the waveguide screen technology of Orion instead, how much would this headset weigh? In my opinion, once they use transparent screen technology, i would guess 200grams would be gone, letting the headset in the 300g or so...
The battery connector being different is probably to prevent q2 folks from using a q3s battery in their system which you could argue is a big reason to upgrade or choose q3s over q2 with the bigger battery
the big reason is for the stronger Qualcomm XR2 Gen2... battery doesn't really mean anything if you just use those battery extension straps like BOBO VR or Kiwi.
The only thing I hate about the 3S is that its not really an upgrade for people like me who have a Quest 2, which forces me to fork out $500 for the regular 3 if I want anything actually new, like the lenses
On one hand, it's good that they are reusing compontents between the Q2 and the Q3S, but on the other hand the Q3S really does not feel like a worthwhile upgrade to the Q2, because the entire optical system (lenses, displays) is exactly the same.
@effbar2400 still feels like an odd move, most people who care about vr already own a quest 2, those who use it a lot will want a 3, those who don't will just be a little sad the 2 isn't getting support and set it back on the shelf. Quest pro users are still ballin out today, as they likely have the money to run them with a pc and just not care about standalone. i don't.. really get who the 3s is for other than people getting thier first headset. but I've seen the 3s for sale at 400$, and refurbed/on sale full threes for 450.
@@Vesper8088new users, kids that want play new games. Existing owners that want play new games but dont want a full upgrade since these come out every 3 years.Thats like 70% of the coustomers.
Oohhhhh you just know someone will walk in without an appointment with the most disgusting headset ever telling the repair agent the guy on the phone told them that their location could "Repair and diagnosticate" quest 3S's.
Such a shame my IPD is 63 1/2, because all got with the Q2 at the fixed 63mm setting was glare, lense flare and blurry.....all i can do now is wait and hope Bf has a decent Q3 sale...........but it is not al bad, i still use my Cv1 and it all works great, so i can wait for that perfect vr HMD.
Well you can use the same prescription lenses hou bought for quest 2 in the quest 3s so thats a win altruistic or financial gain? Who knows and who gives af its affordable with the new processors.
They need to use teardown as a vr marketing to show people how great vr is. There is nothing as complex build out there as vr when it comes to home device
It's all marketing anyway, but I think 3S makes more sense. It has the same base system specs (SOC & RAM) as the Q3 and also supports colour passthrough. It positions "S" as the lower tier within a lineup, similar to the "a" models in the Pixel series. I wonder if Meta will at some point add a "pro" designator which goes after generation - e.g. maybe they will have a Quest 5, Quest 5 Pro and a Quest 5S at some point.
Funny how now “S” associates with something “lesser”, while about a decade ago it was the opposite. When Apple was releasing “S” phones they were always a better 2nd gen essentially of the same design, but more powerful and more refined. iPhone 3G/3GS, 4/4s, 5/5s, 6/6s - “S” was always a better purchase, since it was a newer upgraded model of iPhone.
@@Frytechthat’s what meta uses. I saw many people on Reddit who bought the 3s believing it was the better product. Many of them got shocked when they realised it is in many cases worse.
Not sure why anyone wants to buy cheap vr that isn't good at anything. I wouldn't want to watch a movie on a hd screen with fresnel lenses. Very happy that Apple didn't build their batteries into the headset effectively rendering them disposable. But I guess if you just want to use a cheap vr headset for a few months this will do the job. I just don't know what you're going to do with it.
@@duoduos9221 building the batteries into the headsets renders them disposable. Big no thanks. I do not support this design philosophy and would rather buy a more expensive headset that isn't disposable and bad.
The fact that these are using Fresnel lenses is an absolute joke. They have and always will look like trash, I wouldn't use them if they were free. Might as well be a crime against vr progress in general.
You have more powerful hardware like memory and processor, that can mean a difference in being able to continue inside a crowded VRChat scene, versus not being able to be in it too much and get booted because of memory. Difference among between the devices certainly is once you really put your head into it.
@ objective facts of the poor quality on amazon and walmart and america don't care about your feelings 😂 guess what american items are worth in the country they are actually made in, before english language reseller overprice it? 🤣
I love seeing how electronics are made however I will never buy an electronics device based on how it can be repaired because I don’t care - the cost in time and parts alone and the hope it’s reassembled correctly and works is not financially viable. Most people trade in their older versions for a better version. So we need to stop and remove repairability completely and disregard it as a measurement or consideration as people do not purchase based on this component
@@RowanSkie for electronics I never fix or repair and simply replace usually with an upgraded version via trade-in so I am never stuck with old faulty electronics. I would never and will never repair any personal electronics due to time / cost and free labour on top of the purchase price, so if the device is non-functional I dump the old version and buy a new version. I never keep my devices long enough for any repairs in over 30 years and never hand a single electronics device repaired.
I cannot support your point of view. Very well-said, though. But repairability matters. It makes technology accessible for common people. Cars, for example. I think you're the type to happily buy an EV, drive it for a few years, then send it to scrap once the battery goes bad. (Nothing against EVs). But for those of us who can't afford to just replace things, it's good to be able to fix them with our own two hands.
Let's assume such scenario: Microsoft decides that it is not feasible for them to make a next generation of consoles and switch instead to cloud gaming. You have your Xbox SX and rich collection of games and let's say it gets broken, but there is no successor. Then maybe you would find useful, if it were repairable. Personally I sometimes like to repair things, for example last time I "repaired" an over 10 years old laptop. It was in great condition, but the bios battery was empty, so I had to disassemble it completely (it was designed such way). But it was well repairable overall. I did some more things on it and now it is working as new. It was fun, so I don't consider it wasted lifetime.
@@ClearGalaxies Im only referring to electronics - not cars - cars are a lot more expensive and they need to be able to be repaired due to their complexity and purpose. I don’t t keep iOS devices for years and never will. Most people do t keep iOS devices as long as they have cars.
The 3-position IPD adjustment was a major issue for me on the Q2 (and is part of the reason I kept my Q1 'til the Q3). Kudos to Meta for keeping the Q2 mechanism unmodified for repair though.
Half position is possible, I'm at 2.5, 2 or 3 feels both bad to me
Pro tip: If you have any farsightedness, the glasses spacer can be a huge help. I find there's much more visual clarity with it in place, as well as far less eye strain.
Watching this in VR for the meta joke.
U are saying it like you are watching in the greatest vr headset on universe, the Apple Vision Pro.
Same, quest 3. Sunshine to moonlight, (2ms network) + (9ms decode) at 1440p 120hz
Your meta quest: You're just watching this for educational purposes, right? Right??
Apple vision pro is nowhere close to the best😂@iwantanewhead2976
@@AhmadMalekyeah… educational. (Goes on iFixit website and buys one of their kits)
"Fresnel lenses...use less computing power than the pancake lenses" - egh?
Were you trying to say they are more optically efficient, so the panels can be ran at a lower brightness, therefore using less power?
"Computing power" is a weird way of saying that.
It's a bit of a reach, but the pancake lenses provide a wider FOV which means there's more of any given scene being rendered vs something with a narrower FOV.
FOV is smaller lol
@@timohaX Quest 3 (pancake) is ~110 degrees, Quest 2 and 3S (fresnel) are ~90.
@@scheeseman486correct, but it’s a combination of the dual displays and the pancake lenses providing the wider FOV.
The displays you could argue use more computing power, but not really as ultimately the rendering resolution of both headsets is identical by default. Although Quest 3 has a higher hardware ceiling and pixel per degree.
Pancakes require way higher brightness and because of this a bigger more powerful battery.
@@scheeseman486The Q3's pancakes are physically larger and possibly set up closer to the eyes; there are Fresnel lenses in, say, the Pimax headsets that can give you 140°+ of horizontal FoV if you so desire, though Pimax headsets tend to have issues with weight as well as imperfect warp correction, "pupil swim" some call it.
I have been using the 3S over the past three days and have to say I'm impressed. I got it to replace my old Lenovo Mixed Reality Headset.
same here, my first vr headset
Exact same upgrade path too.
How long did it take you to disassemble the device?
Were you able to reassemble it and did it work?
Watching this on my 3DS because why not
nintendo 3ds superiority !!!
@@SpeedyGwenIs nothing compared to my Quest 2
@@toututu2993 I have a Quest 2, barely used it
@@Zomboy4313 Blame that to your mom for not buying a decent games on it
@@toututu2993 I bought it myself, only games I play are Vr chat with my friends and that’s about it
Loved that we can hear the sounds of the disassembly
It's always thrilling to discover the inside of those devices. X-ray, clear close-up shots and microscope shots are amazing to look at! Thanks!
The feeling that cheap parts were done for financial gain? The product is $299 USD...
It’s supposed to be cheap. Would you rather higher quality and a higher price? Or cheaper quality with cheaper price. You can’t have it both ways.
Exactly the Meta series is supposed yo be the cheap consumer product. If you want high end, we'll there's several other high quality VR companies out there.
for the people replying to this guy, he's not the one saying "The feeling that cheap parts were done for financial gain", he's quoting the guy in the video at 8:41 and saying that he thinks otherwise lol
@@Soccerrockker6 I feel they could make small improvements, for very little extra cost, that they would soon get back with more store purchases. People won't be spending more money on games if their Quest is broken or uncomfortable to use.
they were using leftover parts from the Q2's to make em.
1:41 And it was also a big problem with the rubber add-on that you would place on top of the foam seal, the sensor would cause a lot of trouble and randomly turn you off if you shook the device too much because the rubber seal would interfere with the sensors. some of us need that rubberized cover because the bare foam is kinda nasty and wears your skin down faster during longer sessions, lots of scratching the skin too with the foam. It's much better to manually turn the device on and off when ever you want to too.
Amazing find! Happy to know that my quest 2 prescription lens can fit over the 3s.
Really love accessible breakdown content like this!
I wish you guys tried if it would work without an internal battery, just off of an external one.
@iFixitYourself So what's the repairability out of 10?
Yes.
i think there could be a major design improvement if the make some tweaks to the cooling layout, the battery could just have to slide out instead of having to disassemble everything
Great job iFIXit ❤
Question; if there is no IR sensor anymore how does it handle turning on/off automatically when removed or put on?
It wont turn on automatically if you put the headset on, you will need to press the power button. It will turn off automatically, after a certain amount of time with no movement
I don’t have the 3s but with my quest 2 I had the sensor covered with a piece of tape since it didn’t work properly and just turned it on and off myself using muscle memory after a while
u just push the power button to put it in sleep or get it out of sleep, tho if u put the headset down and it doesnt move for a few minutes, it will go to sleep, I think that feature can be desactivated in the settings
if the setup of the fresnel lenses are the same for a quest 2 and a quest 3S
should also fit a prescription lenses fit from the quest 2 in the quest 3S should keep my budget low ?
have you a way to see this . ok the buy it for the 2 and 3S but it look on the site also so simular ?
thanks for the review.
you guys could weight how much the headset would be without the battery, the lcd screen and the plate on the front of the headset. Just for curiosity... if they use an external battery and the waveguide screen technology of Orion instead, how much would this headset weigh? In my opinion, once they use transparent screen technology, i would guess 200grams would be gone, letting the headset in the 300g or so...
Such a small circuit board that packs all that power. Impressive!
Can the meta quest 3 be jailbroken?
Seeing this so cheap is entizing But I'm not giving data to FB any time soon.
No. No custom firmware for any of these and you need a meta account to do the initial setup. You can sideload APKs though.
Watching on my new meta quest 3s. Less than 24hours till in become Batman. lol.
The battery connector being different is probably to prevent q2 folks from using a q3s battery in their system which you could argue is a big reason to upgrade or choose q3s over q2 with the bigger battery
the big reason is for the stronger Qualcomm XR2 Gen2... battery doesn't really mean anything if you just use those battery extension straps like BOBO VR or Kiwi.
Why would the lenses effect computing power?
If I had to guess probably requires less math to do the distortion required to show an image to your eyes
I was waiting this video ❤ thnx
Quest 2 SE - Quest 2 Second Edition
would have been perfect
But it’s using the quest 3 chip and ram so that would be even more confusing for the consumer.
The only thing I hate about the 3S is that its not really an upgrade for people like me who have a Quest 2, which forces me to fork out $500 for the regular 3 if I want anything actually new, like the lenses
On one hand, it's good that they are reusing compontents between the Q2 and the Q3S, but on the other hand the Q3S really does not feel like a worthwhile upgrade to the Q2, because the entire optical system (lenses, displays) is exactly the same.
It's not meant to be. It's so developers don't have to limit their games to a inferior chipset
@effbar2400 still feels like an odd move, most people who care about vr already own a quest 2, those who use it a lot will want a 3, those who don't will just be a little sad the 2 isn't getting support and set it back on the shelf. Quest pro users are still ballin out today, as they likely have the money to run them with a pc and just not care about standalone. i don't.. really get who the 3s is for other than people getting thier first headset. but I've seen the 3s for sale at 400$, and refurbed/on sale full threes for 450.
@@Vesper8088new users, kids that want play new games. Existing owners that want play new games but dont want a full upgrade since these come out every 3 years.Thats like 70% of the coustomers.
thats why the quest 3 exist. with its pancake lenses
@@Vesper8088 Batman
Is the system seller
Oohhhhh you just know someone will walk in without an appointment with the most disgusting headset ever telling the repair agent the guy on the phone told them that their location could "Repair and diagnosticate" quest 3S's.
Someone please introduce this man to the concept of a glottal stop
Such a shame my IPD is 63 1/2, because all got with the Q2 at the fixed 63mm setting was glare, lense flare and blurry.....all i can do now is wait and hope Bf has a decent Q3 sale...........but it is not al bad, i still use my Cv1 and it all works great, so i can wait for that perfect vr HMD.
Okay so I'm a bit confused, how can lenses affect SOC performance? They're just optics
Distortion algorithms
Great vid... thanks....
Thanks for the Meta Analysis
1:04 I just freed up some of my resources in the restroom. They will make you nauseous and they’re basically unusable, just like quest 2 and this.
This is actually pretty cool. The quest 3s using the exact lens config as Quest 2. This is en example of environmentally friendly"
Well you can use the same prescription lenses hou bought for quest 2 in the quest 3s so thats a win altruistic or financial gain? Who knows and who gives af its affordable with the new processors.
I love the music - what is it? ❤
That's what I want to know!
Its real name is Meta Quest 2.5 Small changes
They need to use teardown as a vr marketing to show people how great vr is. There is nothing as complex build out there as vr when it comes to home device
Love it ❤
Man even though you delicate with it these components give me so much anxiety.
Am I the only one who immediately read it as "Meta Quest 35"? 😅😂
This console looks so cool . I can't wait to get my hands on one.
LETS GO IM THE 100TH LIKE
Nice video
We all know it's not about upgrades, it's about mass adoption
I still don't know why it is called 3S, which is less than 3. And you should be calling 2S . Marketing trick 😉👍
It's all marketing anyway, but I think 3S makes more sense. It has the same base system specs (SOC & RAM) as the Q3 and also supports colour passthrough. It positions "S" as the lower tier within a lineup, similar to the "a" models in the Pixel series. I wonder if Meta will at some point add a "pro" designator which goes after generation - e.g. maybe they will have a Quest 5, Quest 5 Pro and a Quest 5S at some point.
Funny how now “S” associates with something “lesser”, while about a decade ago it was the opposite.
When Apple was releasing “S” phones they were always a better 2nd gen essentially of the same design, but more powerful and more refined.
iPhone 3G/3GS, 4/4s, 5/5s, 6/6s - “S” was always a better purchase, since it was a newer upgraded model of iPhone.
@@Frytechthat’s what meta uses. I saw many people on Reddit who bought the 3s believing it was the better product. Many of them got shocked when they realised it is in many cases worse.
its part of the quest 3 chip family, which determines what games it can actually run and is a big defining point
@@vroreo5019 quest 3 chip family? Those chip is has nothing have to do with the quest 3 family. It’s just an off the shelf Soc that meta buys.
really wish a OLED, pancake, 0 MR headset from anyone.
sounds to me like you’d enjoy the PSVR2, especially since it should be getting native PC support pretty soon
@@completelyaverageviewer the PSVR2 has fresnel lenses
@@anakinlowground5515 you’re right, i honestly thought they had pancake lenses (which to be fair, they should)
OLED has too many compromises
0:00 "Method just dropped the Quest 3S"
Not sure why anyone wants to buy cheap vr that isn't good at anything. I wouldn't want to watch a movie on a hd screen with fresnel lenses. Very happy that Apple didn't build their batteries into the headset effectively rendering them disposable. But I guess if you just want to use a cheap vr headset for a few months this will do the job. I just don't know what you're going to do with it.
Isnt good at anything? Your over exagerating
the 3s is one of the cheapest headsets available for purchase but that doesnt mean it lacks quality. if you want better displays get a quest 3
@@duoduos9221 building the batteries into the headsets renders them disposable. Big no thanks. I do not support this design philosophy and would rather buy a more expensive headset that isn't disposable and bad.
Was this vidéo slowed down? I had to watch at 1.25x speed for it to feel normal...
Facebook Quest 2 Pro S.
it would be a quest 2 plus not a pro
The fact that these are using Fresnel lenses is an absolute joke. They have and always will look like trash, I wouldn't use them if they were free. Might as well be a crime against vr progress in general.
dogshit opinion there's a reason why it's $200 cheaper, i swear everyone only started hating on fresnel once the 3 came out 😭
Can you play outside in the sun?
not recommended. maybe at dusk but you do not want direct sunlight in those lenses. it will fry them immediately
wow just a cheap piece of junk
*Yo*
*Does anybody understand what this guy is saying?*
*Cool video btw*
The quest 3s is really a 2s
More like Quest 3 (Quest 2 edition)
You have more powerful hardware like memory and processor, that can mean a difference in being able to continue inside a crowded VRChat scene, versus not being able to be in it too much and get booted because of memory. Difference among between the devices certainly is once you really put your head into it.
what an uninteresting thing
Iphone lookin ahh headset 💀
THis Q2 but change name : LoL:
Better SoC. (That means it's more powerful)
❤️👍🇲🇦
i dont know anyone with a VR headset
there’s atleast one. i was surprised how much friends own a quest 2
Because you're poor
Because you have no one
Not the mean comments out of nowhere 😂
yeah its designed by american company, were people expecting something good from their kind? 😂
Casual xenophobia
@ objective facts of the poor quality on amazon and walmart and america don't care about your feelings 😂
guess what american items are worth in the country they are actually made in, before english language reseller overprice it? 🤣
I love seeing how electronics are made however I will never buy an electronics device based on how it can be repaired because I don’t care - the cost in time and parts alone and the hope it’s reassembled correctly and works is not financially viable. Most people trade in their older versions for a better version. So we need to stop and remove repairability completely and disregard it as a measurement or consideration as people do not purchase based on this component
So you would trade replaceable parts for more trash due to broken parts?
@@RowanSkie for electronics I never fix or repair and simply replace usually with an upgraded version via trade-in so I am never stuck with old faulty electronics. I would never and will never repair any personal electronics due to time / cost and free labour on top of the purchase price, so if the device is non-functional I dump the old version and buy a new version. I never keep my devices long enough for any repairs in over 30 years and never hand a single electronics device repaired.
I cannot support your point of view. Very well-said, though. But repairability matters. It makes technology accessible for common people. Cars, for example. I think you're the type to happily buy an EV, drive it for a few years, then send it to scrap once the battery goes bad. (Nothing against EVs). But for those of us who can't afford to just replace things, it's good to be able to fix them with our own two hands.
Let's assume such scenario: Microsoft decides that it is not feasible for them to make a next generation of consoles and switch instead to cloud gaming. You have your Xbox SX and rich collection of games and let's say it gets broken, but there is no successor. Then maybe you would find useful, if it were repairable.
Personally I sometimes like to repair things, for example last time I "repaired" an over 10 years old laptop. It was in great condition, but the bios battery was empty, so I had to disassemble it completely (it was designed such way). But it was well repairable overall. I did some more things on it and now it is working as new. It was fun, so I don't consider it wasted lifetime.
@@ClearGalaxies Im only referring to electronics - not cars - cars are a lot more expensive and they need to be able to be repaired due to their complexity and purpose. I don’t t keep iOS devices for years and never will. Most people do t keep iOS devices as long as they have cars.