I think calling Ryan Adam's and her relationship a "short lived relationship" that inspired a "cheeky breakup track" is kinda bad. It was an abusive relationship that inspired a song about how his emotional abuse effected her. She was literally one of several women who came out with allegations of abuse and assault against him. I love the channel and the vid but that part rubbed me the wrong way, and I'd appreciate if u at least pinned a comment correcting it. Edit: I editted a few words to sound less aggressive, sorry!
Yeah, I'm glad not the only one who took issue with that. It's not really a "cheeky break up song", it's more of a "This was one of the most traumatic relationships of my life and I need a way to process it" song, and not acknowledging it as such is kind of a disservice to both the song and Bridgers as an artist and human being. It's a shame too, because otherwise it's a great video. I just think it was a case of very poor wording/phrasing in that instance.
I'm completely with you, calling it cheeky just feels a bit off putting... Also love Middle 8s videos and the rest of the video is great, but I just wanted to echo that it felt wrong hearing it passed over like that. Since it's not the main topic of the video I get it was probably not researched but would be nice to have a note mentioning that she's expressed it was a low point for her and not a cheeky fling.
Only meant her wordplay in that one line was cheeky (she flat out says she faked it in bed with him every time). But I agree with you about the topical nature of the track. Like I say later in the video, much of Alps is about her dealing with trauma and her relationship with Adams is one of those examples. I wasn't looking to crucify Adams in this video. Their relationship was short and most likely due the emotional abuse he put her through. Thankfully she got herself out of it.
@@Middle8 I don't know dude. Pointing out the fact that he was in a relationship with her while not acknowledging that it was manipulative and emotionally abusive isn't crucifying him. And giving him kudos for giving her career a (much deserved) boost while not pointing out that it was part of a predatory pattern of pursuing young musicians sexually and retaliating if they rebuffed him is actually the opposite - "Look at Ryan Adams, who saw immense talent before anyone else". I mean, he's got an entire section on his wikipedia dedicated to this. If I didn't already know the story I'd assume that it was just a relationship that fell apart like most relationships do. You either give the whole story (which only really needs another sentence to point out Adams' behaviour), or you don't mention him. You don't give the story of the Manson Family and just mention that they dropped by a party at Sharon Tate's house. There's more information there that's important.
@@jamesfaulkner6842 mentioning Adams was solely to explain the turning point in her career - not necessarily giving him kudos for a musical discovery. My intention wasn’t to overshadow or downplay their relationship, it just wasn’t the focus of this video. I wanted to highlight her music. Phoebe is more than her previous relationship with Ryan Adams but you’re right, that kind of abuse isn’t something to ignore and perhaps I should have added a line about it. It’s something I’ll keep in mind moving forward.
just because phoebe is a women dosent mean her music is just for teenage girls, granted that is most of her fans, phoebe writes about experiences that affect almost everyone labelling her as a musician for teenage girls seems a bit reductive. (this isn’t really directed at the commenter just ppl in general who think this way)
@@Chase_AM Um....that's what makes it so incredible. All the emotions building up through the album to this huge release of tension at the end. No uh uh, no. It's definitely what makes it so great.
he was saying that the line “i faked it ever time but that’s alright” is cheeky… i think he was well aware of the relationship if he took this much time to even make a video about her… like chill out it’s not that big of a deal
Great video! As someone who jumped on board with her right after Stranger in the Alps came out, it's been crazy seeing her explode in popularity and wind up on Cudi and Killers albums. I really love Copycat Killer, the version of Chinese Satellite on that is probably my favorite Phoebe song. Very curious to see if her next album uses that style or continues what she was doing in Punisher.
there’s something about her music that feels so raw and interesting yet so captivating at the same time. It’s incredible the way she writes her lyrics. Punisher was my favorite album of 2020, everything works so perfect
Interesting yet captivating? The conjunction 'yet" is supposed to used for juxtaposing oppositional concepts. Not listing out synonyms in a way that you think will make you sound intelligent.
She writes mediocre and painfully average lyrics like a middle schooler wrote them. I don't understand how people think she is such a talented lyricist.
@@ellabanchieri8114 people can enjoy what they want. But it's just really both annoying and perplexing to see her name everywhere praising her for being some sort of writing legend when she acts like and writes like a 14 year old. She is just average all around and I don't get the hype.
@@aethrya believe what you believe. but when people are being happy and enjoying something you don’t jump in to the conversation with negativity. imagine if you were eating a plate of your favorite meal and someone just walked up to you and started talking about how gross they thought it was. that’s basically what you’re doing. if you really wanted to share your opinion you could have just done it in a separate comment, but the fact that you’re doing it in a reply to someone else who’s enjoying it really says a lot about you.
Saw this the other day and made sure to save it but I didn’t want to watch it yet because even though I knew some of her music, I felt like I needed to listen to more before I could really appreciate her. Well I listened to Stranger in the Alps today and let me tell you what, I get it now. That album was terrific. Especially You Missed My Heart, that song just crushed me, but in the best way somehow. I didn’t have words for a few minutes after listening to that one. She just has this way with words that’s almost unmatched, and we best just let it happen.
I heard the song 'Funeral' back in 2017 iirc when it came out, I fell in love with her raw emotion and voice then and there. She is a blessing on the modern music world.
So crazy how she has even appeared in the new Paul McCartney remixes album and she's on that Metallica Black Album covers project too! So happy for her!
i fell in love with her as soon as stranger in the alps was released. boygenius is still one of my favorite projects ever. so happy to see you posting about her!
I had a chance to see her at a local venue for 20 bucks about 4 years ago. Stranger In The Alps had just come out or was just about to. I was very interested having heard the Killer EP, but had to go to work early, so I passed thinking I’ll just catch her when she passes by my podunk town next time. I’m kicking myself now.
PLEASE make a vid on Meg Myers! Now that's an UNDERRATED, Indie, Songwriting Genius who does not get enough credit for how talented she is in my opinion.
@@TheMusicalElitist : I know, but she's still indie in my heart. I know a few ppl who know about Pheobe Bridgers, but I've never met a person in real life yet who's heard of Meg Myers. So that's all I meant by that, but technically yes ur right. Thanks for the correction though, that was super cool of you! ; )
I discovered phoebe through one of my closest friends and fell in love immediately. Chinese Satellite became my favorite when I first listened to it, and I even named a writing project after her song ICU. Chinese Satellite is about being unfaithful, I Know The End about the apocalypse, and ICU about a breakup. I love it, and Moon Song has become something I listen to for relaxation when I feel anxious. She deserves her recognition that she’s gotten in the past couple months.
Saw her for the first time live in Vancouver during the Boygenius tour and it was a life changing show. As much as she is an incredible solo force, her collaborative nature is what puts her ahead of many singer-songwriters for me. She hasn’t put out a bad feature or song.
As I believe many of us have been listening to Bridgers for a pretty long time, I think all of us can agree that it's finally great to see her get some mainstream success.
I have a playlist on Spotify… dedicated to her. I can listen to it on repeat almost all day long. The fact she didn’t win a Grammy is incredulous but she seems fine with it (other than smashing her guitar on SNL etc etc etc). Just a fabulous artist and I cannot wait to see what she does next. NB: I’m also a huge Ryan Adams fan. I try to separate the music from the probable reality.
Phoebe has often demonstrated a natural, self-deferential sense of humor. I have found it to be one of her more charming attributes. Perhaps that is one reason her lyrics about an awful event in her life can be sometimes interpreted as being "cheeky".
i just got into this channel because of this video and now i can't stop watching. please make a video essay about Olivia Rodrigo and her success next!!
Awesome video! I don’t know how to describe it but it kind of feels like Phoebe knows me bc of the way she perfectly describes what I’m feeling…if that makes sense 💀
Also could u look at doing a episode of Keane especially “somewhere only we know” and “everybody’s changing” cause there really good up there with “fluorescent adolescent” and “kids”and “time to pretend” for my personal favourite songs or and how could I forget “bohemian like you” by the dandy warhols or and “side” by travis and also “something good ‘08” which is well good!
Would’ve loved if you mentioned Elliot Smith when you were talking about Punisher, it seems like a big part of the Albums and you didn’t even seem to know about it.
When I heard Billie, Taylor, all the big pop and bubbling pop and folk artists start to incorporate part of Phoebe’s music, whether it’s her production or the way she writes, Ik Phoebe was special.
What a bad call to describe boygenius as "a therapy group" for these 3 gifted women and their work(s). It definitely offers much more than this slight of hand misnomer. Baker, Bridgers and Dacus are each highly talented artists; their combined voices and words provide listeners an aural and emotional treat. "Therapy" is never that easy LOL!!
So, I love Phoebe… and had this sense of “I know that name” and then checked my playlist… I don’t have her. Listening to this there’s like 20 songs I recognize! Annoying that I didn’t download the songs I love!
Clicked on this, expecting a piece about another alt from Alice phoebe lou (also an amazing artist) This phoebe is a bit to raw and depressing for my current spring mood, but still a new musical discovery I gladly pick up again once autumn is around the corner
I think calling Ryan Adam's and her relationship a "short lived relationship" that inspired a "cheeky breakup track" is kinda bad. It was an abusive relationship that inspired a song about how his emotional abuse effected her. She was literally one of several women who came out with allegations of abuse and assault against him. I love the channel and the vid but that part rubbed me the wrong way, and I'd appreciate if u at least pinned a comment correcting it.
Edit: I editted a few words to sound less aggressive, sorry!
Yeah, I'm glad not the only one who took issue with that. It's not really a "cheeky break up song", it's more of a "This was one of the most traumatic relationships of my life and I need a way to process it" song, and not acknowledging it as such is kind of a disservice to both the song and Bridgers as an artist and human being. It's a shame too, because otherwise it's a great video. I just think it was a case of very poor wording/phrasing in that instance.
I'm completely with you, calling it cheeky just feels a bit off putting... Also love Middle 8s videos and the rest of the video is great, but I just wanted to echo that it felt wrong hearing it passed over like that. Since it's not the main topic of the video I get it was probably not researched but would be nice to have a note mentioning that she's expressed it was a low point for her and not a cheeky fling.
Only meant her wordplay in that one line was cheeky (she flat out says she faked it in bed with him every time). But I agree with you about the topical nature of the track. Like I say later in the video, much of Alps is about her dealing with trauma and her relationship with Adams is one of those examples. I wasn't looking to crucify Adams in this video. Their relationship was short and most likely due the emotional abuse he put her through. Thankfully she got herself out of it.
@@Middle8 I don't know dude. Pointing out the fact that he was in a relationship with her while not acknowledging that it was manipulative and emotionally abusive isn't crucifying him. And giving him kudos for giving her career a (much deserved) boost while not pointing out that it was part of a predatory pattern of pursuing young musicians sexually and retaliating if they rebuffed him is actually the opposite - "Look at Ryan Adams, who saw immense talent before anyone else".
I mean, he's got an entire section on his wikipedia dedicated to this. If I didn't already know the story I'd assume that it was just a relationship that fell apart like most relationships do. You either give the whole story (which only really needs another sentence to point out Adams' behaviour), or you don't mention him.
You don't give the story of the Manson Family and just mention that they dropped by a party at Sharon Tate's house. There's more information there that's important.
@@jamesfaulkner6842 mentioning Adams was solely to explain the turning point in her career - not necessarily giving him kudos for a musical discovery. My intention wasn’t to overshadow or downplay their relationship, it just wasn’t the focus of this video. I wanted to highlight her music. Phoebe is more than her previous relationship with Ryan Adams but you’re right, that kind of abuse isn’t something to ignore and perhaps I should have added a line about it. It’s something I’ll keep in mind moving forward.
“Punisher” is one of those albums where you just KNOW that 30 years from now it will be looked at as an absolute classic.
Nice pfp
@@moth9659 one of my all time fav albums :)
Yes like Late for the sky.
East is up ψ
a mediocre elliot smith ripoff?
As a man in my mid 20s I am perpetually impressed and concerned at how well Phoebe makes me feel like a teenage girl
just because phoebe is a women dosent mean her music is just for teenage girls, granted that is most of her fans, phoebe writes about experiences that affect almost everyone labelling her as a musician for teenage girls seems a bit reductive. (this isn’t really directed at the commenter just ppl in general who think this way)
Well done 👏
Ditto
As a man in my mid 40’s I feel you si…err bro…I feel you..
same - and I'm 49 lol
Calling it now. I Know the End will go down as one of the best album closing tracks of the decade of 2020s.
Preach
I think it would’ve been a better track without the turn and what followed just after the 4:30 mark, but it’s still excellent nonetheless.
Yes. It's an absolute masterpiece. Holy crap. It broke my mind when I first heard it. 😳
@@Chase_AM Um....that's what makes it so incredible. All the emotions building up through the album to this huge release of tension at the end. No uh uh, no. It's definitely what makes it so great.
@@Chase_AM that's what makes it the best closing track probably ever
phoebe’s music somehow captures loneliness in a crowd.
It captures boredom.
@@TheMusicalElitist why are you here then
@@activatewindows5 it’s in his name 😂
@@TheMusicalElitist so true
1:59 Motion Sickness is about how Ryan Adams was emotionally abusive, not some cheeky breakup track lol
Yeeeaahhhh it doesn't seem like he picked that up in his research. Cringed slightly.
he was saying that the line “i faked it ever time but that’s alright” is cheeky… i think he was well aware of the relationship if he took this much time to even make a video about her… like chill out it’s not that big of a deal
Happy belated birthday Phoebe 🎈
Great video! As someone who jumped on board with her right after Stranger in the Alps came out, it's been crazy seeing her explode in popularity and wind up on Cudi and Killers albums.
I really love Copycat Killer, the version of Chinese Satellite on that is probably my favorite Phoebe song. Very curious to see if her next album uses that style or continues what she was doing in Punisher.
Thanks! Biggest surprise of 2020 was definitely seeing her on a Cudi track -- probably my favourite cut off that record tbh.
Being mysteriously drawn to your channel for the last year or so now makes sense.
there’s something about her music that feels so raw and interesting yet so captivating at the same time. It’s incredible the way she writes her lyrics. Punisher was my favorite album of 2020, everything works so perfect
Interesting yet captivating? The conjunction 'yet" is supposed to used for juxtaposing oppositional concepts. Not listing out synonyms in a way that you think will make you sound intelligent.
@@Daddy_Bear_722 i don’t know i have no respect for the english language
@@cristiancampos3312 ok?
@@Daddy_Bear_722 you probably speak one language my love, don’t come judge us bilinguals muak 😝😝😝
She is so everywhere at the moment, Bon Iver, Taylor, Lorde, The Killers ... Love her !
Didn‘t realize she‘s on so many songs i regularly listen to lol
And that was a great video!
She is one of a kind songwriter. I really love her and I'm glad her work is getting recognition.
She writes mediocre and painfully average lyrics like a middle schooler wrote them. I don't understand how people think she is such a talented lyricist.
@@aethrya who peed in your cereal this morning? let people enjoy things dude
@@aethrya I tend to agree lol
@@ellabanchieri8114 people can enjoy what they want. But it's just really both annoying and perplexing to see her name everywhere praising her for being some sort of writing legend when she acts like and writes like a 14 year old. She is just average all around and I don't get the hype.
@@aethrya believe what you believe. but when people are being happy and enjoying something you don’t jump in to the conversation with negativity. imagine if you were eating a plate of your favorite meal and someone just walked up to you and started talking about how gross they thought it was. that’s basically what you’re doing. if you really wanted to share your opinion you could have just done it in a separate comment, but the fact that you’re doing it in a reply to someone else who’s enjoying it really says a lot about you.
Her album punisher has been my favorite I love the way her voice sits on every song
Saw this the other day and made sure to save it but I didn’t want to watch it yet because even though I knew some of her music, I felt like I needed to listen to more before I could really appreciate her. Well I listened to Stranger in the Alps today and let me tell you what, I get it now. That album was terrific. Especially You Missed My Heart, that song just crushed me, but in the best way somehow. I didn’t have words for a few minutes after listening to that one. She just has this way with words that’s almost unmatched, and we best just let it happen.
i hate to do this but she actually didn't write that one
Happy for her! She is the best at painting vivid and wildly personal scenarios rn
I heard the song 'Funeral' back in 2017 iirc when it came out, I fell in love with her raw emotion and voice then and there. She is a blessing on the modern music world.
So crazy how she has even appeared in the new Paul McCartney remixes album and she's on that Metallica Black Album covers project too! So happy for her!
I know the end is easily one of the best songs of 2020
MOON SONG
it's such a 2020 song, definitely captures the apocalyptic vibe of that year
Love phoebe. Every song is a meditation from her previous album. Nice aesthetics, design and animation of your videos too!
i fell in love with her as soon as stranger in the alps was released. boygenius is still one of my favorite projects ever. so happy to see you posting about her!
I had a chance to see her at a local venue for 20 bucks about 4 years ago. Stranger In The Alps had just come out or was just about to.
I was very interested having heard the Killer EP, but had to go to work early, so I passed thinking I’ll just catch her when she passes by my podunk town next time.
I’m kicking myself now.
I just became a true fan of hers like a few weeks ago and have been obsessing over her as of late! She rocks!!
Really liked this vid. Love Phoebe, one of the most refreshing artists I've heard in a while
The best thing about this channel is the video edits. so nice
PLEASE make a vid on Meg Myers! Now that's an UNDERRATED, Indie, Songwriting Genius who does not get enough credit for how talented she is in my opinion.
Would love a middle 8 deep dive on Meg. She's phenomenal.
Again, she's on a major. She's hardly "indie."
@@TheMusicalElitist : I know, but she's still indie in my heart. I know a few ppl who know about Pheobe Bridgers, but I've never met a person in real life yet who's heard of Meg Myers. So that's all I meant by that, but technically yes ur right. Thanks for the correction though, that was super cool of you! ; )
Omgggggg yes please LOVE HER
her cover of running up that hill was great
I discovered phoebe through one of my closest friends and fell in love immediately. Chinese Satellite became my favorite when I first listened to it, and I even named a writing project after her song ICU. Chinese Satellite is about being unfaithful, I Know The End about the apocalypse, and ICU about a breakup. I love it, and Moon Song has become something I listen to for relaxation when I feel anxious. She deserves her recognition that she’s gotten in the past couple months.
Saw her for the first time live in Vancouver during the Boygenius tour and it was a life changing show.
As much as she is an incredible solo force, her collaborative nature is what puts her ahead of many singer-songwriters for me. She hasn’t put out a bad feature or song.
As I believe many of us have been listening to Bridgers for a pretty long time, I think all of us can agree that it's finally great to see her get some mainstream success.
The visuals in your videos are just beautiful!
She is awesome
I have a playlist on Spotify… dedicated to her. I can listen to it on repeat almost all day long. The fact she didn’t win a Grammy is incredulous but she seems fine with it (other than smashing her guitar on SNL etc etc etc). Just a fabulous artist and I cannot wait to see what she does next.
NB: I’m also a huge Ryan Adams fan. I try to separate the music from the probable reality.
She's got so much potential
PLEASE MORE PHOEBE
For all the collaborations he talked about, how’d he not mention her 2021 feature on Paul McCartneys new album
IKR, I didn't even know her until she showed up on Paul's record.
Who's Paul McCartney
@@DG-ck2mv in case you're actually serious,
he was in The Beatles.
@@hannahg8439 what’s the beatles
@@getgetrealreal lol
I'm really happy to see that you mentioned Christian Lee Hutson. I saw him play on Office Hours and I was instantly hooked.
graceland too is one of my favourite songs, so peaceful
oh yeahh.. i caught her on Spotify as a daily mix suggestion!!♡
I listen to smoke signals every day before bed, its so good
Phoebe has often demonstrated a natural, self-deferential sense of humor. I have found it to be one of her more charming attributes. Perhaps that is one reason her lyrics about an awful event in her life can be sometimes interpreted as being "cheeky".
Great editing and video. Congrats Middle 8! Great vid
I'm so happy for her accomplishments ❤
Her cover of The Gold always kills me
WOW. I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS.
I literally love her so much, she's amazing! Thank you for this video!
Can you talk about Rainbow? They're so underrated but they're sooooo good. Love your videos♡
As in the classic rock band?
i just got into this channel because of this video and now i can't stop watching.
please make a video essay about Olivia Rodrigo and her success next!!
Awesome video! I don’t know how to describe it but it kind of feels like Phoebe knows me bc of the way she perfectly describes what I’m feeling…if that makes sense 💀
Middle 8 ur videos are so well made, I always look forward to these!
her music is absolutely insane
Great video as always. Phoebe is great!!
Babe wake up, new Middle 8
She should feature on the next Gorillaz album, would be an unreal crossover
happy birthday phoebe! personally i love her music but i can understand why others wouldn't
i really like this style of video!
Man she's good!
I can't wait to see her next month
thanks for discovering her
thanks for this video!
How does everyone miss the original Killer EP released in March 2014, there is a crazy pop feel with the her current sensibility
Love to see a new middle 8 vid
the one with the1975 "Jesus Christ 2005 god bless America" is soooo good
RIGHT one of my faves on the album
@@omarihandsor7678 that whole album is soooo sick, Genreless and a lot of feelings
Also could u look at doing a episode of Keane especially “somewhere only we know” and “everybody’s changing” cause there really good up there with “fluorescent adolescent” and “kids”and “time to pretend” for my personal favourite songs or and how could I forget “bohemian like you” by the dandy warhols or and “side” by travis and also “something good ‘08” which is well good!
You are the fucking best! You curate musical content that is 👌🏼
1:09 🎵smelly cat smelly cat, what are they feeding you?🎵
thank you VERY very much for making a video on one of the best new artists today😊😊😊
She also kinda did a collaboration with Paul McCartney on Sieze the Day!
If it is possible, would you consider asking her to go on your podcast?
that'd be a great episode
Would’ve loved if you mentioned Elliot Smith when you were talking about Punisher, it seems like a big part of the Albums and you didn’t even seem to know about it.
I’m so happy I found Better Oblivion bc Conor introduced me to two of my fav albums
Awesome video and editing, much love
she's the moment
YES PHOEBE BRIDGERS!
A few years ago, she opened for the National at Forest Hills and put on a really good set.
That new killers album seems so unlike their other famous works, they got a bruce Springsteen vibe now
Shes a friggen muse i really hope she gets in to acting
I like her alone but I love her in Boygenious. Salt in the Wound is so beautiful.
Never heard of phoebe but I’ll check her music out now.
She's amazing
same.. clicked on the video because of how good the videos are but no idea who this phoebe is
I envy you. I love her, wish I could hear all of her music for the first time.
Didn't know about her. Thanks for the heads up 👍🏿
When I heard Billie, Taylor, all the big pop and bubbling pop and folk artists start to incorporate part of Phoebe’s music, whether it’s her production or the way she writes, Ik Phoebe was special.
Stranger in the Alps is an awesome album ❤️ can you do a video on Mac DeMarco? Pleaseeeee??
i loved this! i would love if you could make a video on novo amor and ed tullett too!!
What a bad call to describe boygenius as "a therapy group" for these 3 gifted women and their work(s). It definitely offers much more than this slight of hand misnomer. Baker, Bridgers and Dacus are each highly talented artists; their combined voices and words provide listeners an aural and emotional treat. "Therapy" is never that easy LOL!!
Phoebe Bridgers is our personal therapist, until we know the end is near.
Just met this channel 2 weeks ago but man, I LOVE this channel!!!! Keep up with the great work =)
1:56 😅 _I faked it every time, but that’s alright._
Damn. Lol.
So, I love Phoebe… and had this sense of “I know that name” and then checked my playlist… I don’t have her. Listening to this there’s like 20 songs I recognize! Annoying that I didn’t download the songs I love!
How have I just now got the pun of her record label after hearing someone else say it out loud?! Saddest Factory/"Satisfactory" lmao wow
Clicked on this, expecting a piece about another alt from Alice phoebe lou (also an amazing artist)
This phoebe is a bit to raw and depressing for my current spring mood, but still a new musical discovery I gladly pick up again once autumn is around the corner
0:34 I'm kinda surprised you didny mention PAUL MCCARTNEY!!
love love
I know her from the Plastic Trees cover.
I know her from the Ryan Adams-slagging bs.
"A dash of existential dread"...clever.
fav youtube channel makes video about fav artist
God i love her so bad
1:03 "That kid is just a ghost in a sheet."
Id love to see you do a video on Miracle Musical's Hawaii Part: II
I love her.
Waiting
Could you do a video on Boards of Canada?
The times she is red and in the Skeleton-onesie she looks like michael Jacksons secret twin sister
Can you do one of these on Glass Animals and specifically the Dreamland album. I need to understand why I like the sounds on it so much