How to cable manage a computer

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  • @cormacstapleton9295
    @cormacstapleton9295 5 лет назад +378

    finally a tutorial that doesnt just do the best case scenario with custom length cablemod cables

    • @lotus_exe7903
      @lotus_exe7903 4 года назад +7

      Ehm linus tech tips...

    • @Twin713
      @Twin713 4 года назад +11

      fuck linus sponser tips

    • @IronMan-jj2fd
      @IronMan-jj2fd 4 года назад

      Yeah but the actual video starts at 6:16 so much bullshit at first

  • @Sedirex
    @Sedirex 5 лет назад +682

    20:47 "That's better cable-managed than some systems I've seen that have 1 hard drive."
    I feel personally attacked.

    • @markiemax1180
      @markiemax1180 4 года назад +8

      Honestly same😂

    • @viktorplatson4121
      @viktorplatson4121 4 года назад +9

      That is nothing - I feel personally demolished...

    • @joeysplats3209
      @joeysplats3209 4 года назад +10

      Did you report the video as "targeted harassment" and have the channel banned?

    • @venividivici4253
      @venividivici4253 4 года назад +4

      Sedirex Suck it up.... He spoke the truth. Why don’t people take pride in building a system anymore? My cable management is on par with Jay. It makes it easier to diagnose if a problem occurs vs a rats nest that can take a long time to dissect. Do it right from the start. Spend time with the cables and give them a girls name. 🤣

    • @theSpian1
      @theSpian1 4 года назад +3

      @@venividivici4253 r/woosh

  • @Jayztwocents
    @Jayztwocents  6 лет назад +534

    I messed up a couple of the color correction points on this video :( oops. Totally on me, not Phil.

    • @iRunTech
      @iRunTech 6 лет назад +8

      Unless it turned black and white. I'd say you missed no color ^_^.

    • @PupShepardRubberized
      @PupShepardRubberized 6 лет назад

      wags wags hi jay

    • @robbritton3213
      @robbritton3213 6 лет назад

      it is ok

    • @TheDyingScotsman
      @TheDyingScotsman 6 лет назад +13

      Hey Jay! I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and I have been watching tons of your vids. I fucking love you man. Never change.

    • @zerphase
      @zerphase 6 лет назад +1

      @jayz ever thought about networking all of your computers together, and charging a low price for using incredibuild or distcc on your systems?

  • @stugryffin3619
    @stugryffin3619 5 лет назад +478

    Cable management begins at 6:08

  • @TSteffi
    @TSteffi 6 лет назад +200

    I've been building PC's since the mid 90's, and never cared about the look at all.
    After watching Jays vids for about 2 years, now i have a color-themed (black/red) PC with full sidepanel window, AiO liquid cooling, LED fans and properly managed sleeved cables.
    Thx Jay, you are awesome :)

    • @BananasananaB
      @BananasananaB 5 лет назад +10

      Was about to post the same thing. Been building PCs for over 20 years, never cared about the cable management. Planning on a new build (with this same case no less!), and this video was very helpful to me. After this will be untangling the spiderweb of wires behind my desk. eeep!

    • @RyRyTheBassGuy
      @RyRyTheBassGuy 5 лет назад +13

      We never cared because how the hell did you manage IDE cables in those old cases? The best we could do was those "round" ones. Never mind routing behind the motherboard!

    • @chris99103
      @chris99103 5 лет назад +1

      lol consumer victim

    • @chloedevereaux1801
      @chloedevereaux1801 4 года назад

      @@BananasananaB have you bollocks

    • @impyrobot
      @impyrobot 4 года назад +2

      @@chloedevereaux1801 20 years ain't long that would be since about 2000 which is perfectly believeable

  • @Don_Frahn
    @Don_Frahn 4 года назад +20

    Watched this video last night with confidence that I can finally manage my cables properly. Today I tore down my system and redid everything. The cable management is worse than before lol back to the drawing board. Hats off to those with cable management patience 👏

  • @richiec7700
    @richiec7700 6 лет назад +163

    Cheap trick for mock-up: use the twist ties that usually come with builds as temporary cable ties. Easy to remove and re-use, then once everything is in place, remove and replace each twist tie with a Zip Tie.

    • @gregorymoody8990
      @gregorymoody8990 6 лет назад +3

      glad I'm not the only one who thought of this props.

    • @reblz2858
      @reblz2858 6 лет назад +3

      You can also grab a load of them from grocery stores (;

    • @Easelgames
      @Easelgames 6 лет назад +2

      I wouldn't reccomend that as a lot of people will have it all done and just get lazy and not replace them. Which then leaves metal wires in the case. Not great...

    • @NurmYokai
      @NurmYokai 6 лет назад +2

      Surprised your comment isn't anchored to the top. It's a must-do if a builder doesn't want snipped plastic pieces all over the place. Used to do that with old school stereo systems, and continued the technique with computer builds.

    • @ERrnesST
      @ERrnesST 6 лет назад

      evga also has cable management grommets

  • @shaarky1112
    @shaarky1112 6 лет назад +294

    for SATA power cables in your case, I'd do first cable for 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th and the second cable for 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th HDD so you dont need to make a loop

    • @zeteris
      @zeteris 6 лет назад

      Finally ! You go up.

    • @nawarelsabaa
      @nawarelsabaa 6 лет назад +51

      I don't think that'll work. That would force him to bend the cables around the in-between HDDs (around HDD 2 in case of 1 and 3 being connected and so on), and I don't think those flat cables are gonna bend that easily.

    • @h3iberg456
      @h3iberg456 6 лет назад +2

      Nawar El Sabaa I see what u mean, but they do work, they will bend easily (easier than shown on video even) and I think its better protected cables. bending the way Jay did is fine anyway.

    • @TwinShards
      @TwinShards 5 лет назад

      @@nawarelsabaa Well, it's pretty easy to split the plastic of the flat cable to make them easier to make more like a square of cable on this short distance and wont really affect the look.

    • @nikolaydjendov2665
      @nikolaydjendov2665 5 лет назад +4

      I think he split the power connections and make "the loops" couse the side's for raid....? Correct me if I am wrong, but that is the only logic I saw. P.S. It really grinded my gears when I saw that "ponytail" sata's :D

  • @dragon2knight
    @dragon2knight 6 лет назад +80

    Cable management in a nutshell: Planning, some trial and error, finishing. Rarely does it get finished off on the first attempt. Unless you've used the same case multiple times, it's just the way it is. So worth it, though, in the end. Nice tutorial, Jay.

    • @Speed_7545
      @Speed_7545 6 лет назад +2

      matt depends on the case, some cases are very easy amd others alot harder

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 6 лет назад

      I've had the same case for over 15 years (three builds), so yeah, cable management comes pretty naturally on my own system.

  • @andrewlee9508
    @andrewlee9508 5 лет назад +26

    I'm quite late into watching this video (out of interest to see what people have to say about cable management)... here's my $0.02. You have a fantastic vertical arrangement of 8 hard drives... and you have two strips of 4x SATA power cables... One improvement on cable management is to skip a hard drive between SATA connections on the same cable, or one cable deals with hard drives in odd numbered slots, the other cable deals with hard drives in even numbered slots. In other words, for your build, the first 4x SATA power cable is connected to hard drives 1, 3, 5 and 7; the second 4x SATA power cable is connected to hard drives 2, 4, 6 and 8. That way you don't have to fold the power cables to tamp them down. With flat cables, they'll look like a braid... aesthetically it may or may not be everybody's cup of tea, unless you have a solid back cover, which means who really cares?

  • @19thHour
    @19thHour 6 лет назад +297

    I...I just realized that I don't use my front panel HD audio jacks but I took great care in routing the cable properly, plugging it in, and managing the excess length when I could have just... *TUCKED IT INTO THE BACK WITHOUT PLUGGING IT IN.* Well, live and learn.

    • @Labolas2Glasya
      @Labolas2Glasya 6 лет назад +6

      19thHour lol same thing here

    • @bluephreakr
      @bluephreakr 6 лет назад +51

      Those connectors are occasionally useful for guests. Even if you are not going to use them now, I follow the logic of "Make it available" so later on if you need another audio connector you're not looking like a buffoon because you neglected to have it available to you.

    • @RighteousLight8055
      @RighteousLight8055 6 лет назад

      May I join the club ?

    • @Fareke2
      @Fareke2 6 лет назад +2

      Yeah i dont use it too. I have USB headphones but still this cable management is good my pc lokk like a mess

    • @AdriansNetlis
      @AdriansNetlis 6 лет назад +1

      I was reusing my old case and I found one cable sticking out that had some wires out of their plug. I concluded that it hasn't worked before anyways so I probably don't need to plug it in as I never used it. I then unplugged it from old motherboard and read - HD audio :D

  • @Denstoradiskmaskinen
    @Denstoradiskmaskinen 6 лет назад +4

    Great job! 8 HDDs And 3 fan water cooler in the front, on a mid tower, +2 ssd !
    21:13 complete and yet so clean main compartment, wow

  • @samuraisalesman2566
    @samuraisalesman2566 6 лет назад +52

    Jay, you should talk with a case manufacturer and try to get them to do a collab and create what you think would be the ultimate cable-management case. Maybe something like hollow rails or spaced case covers to run the cables *inside* the case itself or whatever, I think you'd come up with something really cool.

    • @combatwombat7795
      @combatwombat7795 6 лет назад +1

      Samurai Salesman he should host a design contest

    • @NorAlienEuqcab
      @NorAlienEuqcab 6 лет назад +3

      Yep I've gone through many a case asking myself why don't the manufacturers of cases think about this in their design.
      Having said that, this box is one of the better ones I've seen.
      Thanks for the suggestion. 👍

    • @thesimsfan12
      @thesimsfan12 6 лет назад +2

      NZXT H700i Check out the cable management in that Case and come back!

    • @devyn5919
      @devyn5919 6 лет назад +2

      Samurai Salesman basically describing FD r6

    • @DumbSloth87
      @DumbSloth87 6 лет назад

      That fancy $950 Singularity Spectre case is what you're looking for.

  • @stelioskotsifos2227
    @stelioskotsifos2227 5 лет назад +98

    Damn it Jay.... Now I want to open up my case and redo my cables :P

    • @zaksullivan4093
      @zaksullivan4093 4 года назад

      same

    • @adamduffield7782
      @adamduffield7782 4 года назад

      Ditto

    • @Being_Jeff
      @Being_Jeff 4 года назад

      I want to replace my old Antec 900 case with a one with room to cable manage!

    • @kmanglass427
      @kmanglass427 4 года назад

      Agreed

    • @Xachremos
      @Xachremos 3 года назад

      Got a new PSU coming tomorrow. Need to get my shit together this time. Put in a drive on friday and damn i had to force that back panel on its a mess.

  • @WhitentonMike
    @WhitentonMike 6 лет назад +7

    @JayzTwoCents, Just a suggestion from experience: If you connect the MB SATA to the top 4 drives and the RAID controller to the bottom 4, the lengths will work out better. Reason, the MB SATA connectors are at the front of the MB and thus closer to the bays so the cables can reach the top drives. The RAID controller will be a short card commonly and you will need the length from the lower drives to reach the SATA RAID connectors.
    Connecting the MB SATA cables to the bottom drives wastes the added length you will need later.

  • @josephmurphy1097
    @josephmurphy1097 6 лет назад

    Hey man, just wanted to say I'm only a recent subscriber - know this probably won't be seen, but just wanted to say I love the channel and the way you explain things in your videos in a really chill way. I've been saving for some 12 months after moving overseas, so i've been watching to try and get my head around some things because it's been YEARS since I've built a PC. Always looking forward to new content, so I check it out every day. Hope the studio changes keep rolling well!

  • @michaelkosciesza645
    @michaelkosciesza645 6 лет назад +51

    I'd be curious to see how you set up the system to work as a server, render machine, etc. Please make a vid on that. Thankssssss.

    • @juliansbrickcity5083
      @juliansbrickcity5083 6 лет назад +2

      petabyte project is not an unraid but I think jayz server will be. It is easy to setup and use. But I hope he is not buying a raid controller, he needs a HBA or dumb sata controller for unraid.

    • @carlwells9504
      @carlwells9504 6 лет назад

      Ditto

  • @vetern7929
    @vetern7929 6 лет назад +3

    Jay, one thing I’ve done with my builds having multiple HDDs is to alternate every other HDD with the SATA power. It will eliminate the loops and still create a nice smooth appearance. Something about the loops has always bugged me...

  • @PURP_PLAYS
    @PURP_PLAYS 6 лет назад +156

    you make me wanna jus re do my cmputer lol

    • @mrdanman8114
      @mrdanman8114 6 лет назад +2

      yeah me too xd

    • @yannickloos7884
      @yannickloos7884 6 лет назад +1

      same lmao

    • @MindBlowerWTF
      @MindBlowerWTF 6 лет назад +2

      but then You would have to You know, not use it for a sec :P

    • @xGxPhantomZzz
      @xGxPhantomZzz 6 лет назад +3

      MindBlowerWTF That is the problem

    • @Chuckiele
      @Chuckiele 6 лет назад +2

      Me too but I know that I cant do better because the power cables are all way too short, damnit xD

  • @HaulinWulf
    @HaulinWulf 5 лет назад +3

    This was an relaxing and in some sort hypnotic video. "stick it in, make a loop, stick it in, make a loop..." I loved it!

  • @kamirkaze
    @kamirkaze 6 лет назад +343

    *Can someone teach me how to life manage like a pro?*

    • @maxair95
      @maxair95 6 лет назад +43

      Zip tie, WD 40 & duct tape, Good luck

    • @pr0xZen
      @pr0xZen 6 лет назад +1

      Subscribed.

    • @astropirate4645
      @astropirate4645 6 лет назад +3

      Don't blow it.
      Keep it simple.
      Count your money.

    • @rexrexxington6932
      @rexrexxington6932 6 лет назад +1

      Win the lottery.

    • @patrickwilson7309
      @patrickwilson7309 6 лет назад

      and when they do, you can teach me, and i can teach and so on

  • @kevinavila9489
    @kevinavila9489 4 года назад +37

    This can't be right, I didn't see this in the Verge video, everyone knows that was the bible for building a PC.

    • @vanixiii5657
      @vanixiii5657 4 года назад +6

      IKR?! Where's his livestrong bracelet and how dare he call them "zip-ties" clearly they're tweezers

    • @Raulz
      @Raulz 4 года назад +4

      @@vanixiii5657 Where is the swiss army knife that hopefully has a screwdriver??! This is blasphemy!

    • @simonsays1507
      @simonsays1507 4 года назад +1

      My gosh! Where’s the brick? Calling it a power supply is *terribly wrong!*

  • @joshuadelacruz3907
    @joshuadelacruz3907 6 лет назад +24

    This type of video is what I love about JayzTwoCents channel.

  • @moitoi4064
    @moitoi4064 4 года назад

    Very clean work Jay, congrats. As a marine electronics engineer I have done quite a few installations of navigation equipment onboard ships, dealing with a mountain of cables each time thus I can tell how neat your cable management is.

  • @OxKing
    @OxKing 6 лет назад +137

    And then you notice the PSU isn't working. 😌

    • @egyptian316
      @egyptian316 6 лет назад +2

      That exact thing happened to me today. Took forever to troubleshoot too, because the PSU was pumping enough power to turn the RAM LEDs on, but nothing more.

    • @LeFabio
      @LeFabio 6 лет назад +30

      Test run before puting it into a case? Anybody? No? Okay..

    • @ujiltromm7358
      @ujiltromm7358 6 лет назад +4

      Fabijan Rehorić // Bingo!
      Always test-run before building. Since I usually work with SFF cases, test-runs have become an absolute must. My first SFF build I didn't test-run, had to tear it down to reseat the CPU and only then it worked.

    • @shinren_
      @shinren_ 6 лет назад

      Ujiltrom M how do you test run it when you dont have everything plugged into place??

    • @egyptian316
      @egyptian316 6 лет назад

      No excuses. I haven't built a PC in 8 years, so a lot of lessons were forgotten.

  • @ReeseKaine
    @ReeseKaine 5 лет назад

    Just started work the other day on a gaming build that uses this case, and I found that placing the rig on a towel makes it easier to spin around if I need to switch sides quickly and safely.

  • @N0N0111
    @N0N0111 6 лет назад +21

    +JayzTwoCents
    And try to separate the power cables as much you can from data cables.
    Power cables can have interference on data cables.
    Another good logic is, try to bend the cables as *less* you can.
    This is even more important on data cables then power cables.

  • @christopherp.8485
    @christopherp.8485 6 лет назад

    That looks really clean, nice job! I saw many computer shops make awful messes with so little cables to have to work with.

  • @cestarianinhabitant5898
    @cestarianinhabitant5898 5 лет назад +49

    "7:36 They're called tweezers!" - The Verge

  • @jeffprice6565
    @jeffprice6565 4 года назад

    I have exact same R6 Case and the cable placement is fantastic. So easy to create a clean system build.

  • @autotalon
    @autotalon 6 лет назад +17

    I configure servers/network equipment for a living and I would never recommend using an Intel raid controller for anything you care about. Get a newer Adaptec or LSI card and you'll be much better off. We've had too many speed/reliability issues with RST Raid for me to recommend them. If I could pull them all out of production, I would.
    Edit: Also cringing a bit at the drive setup but you dont do it every day so i wont hate, just dying a little inside without a hotswap backplane

    • @ryanreeves8986
      @ryanreeves8986 6 лет назад

      I think its because it needs direct passthrough to run unRAID. You don't want to use a proper hardware raid controller (well the features at least) . You want a controller using IT mode.

    • @autotalon
      @autotalon 6 лет назад +1

      He's using it as a "workstation" though. How would he pass the physical disks through? HyperV at least doesnt really let you do that, I think Virtualbox might but there's no way in hell i'd run a server in Virtualbox (had a half broke WDS once because of that)
      EDIT: Also you can get a controller that runs JBOD mode for something like that, there are plenty of those. They're called HBAs.

    • @ryanreeves8986
      @ryanreeves8986 6 лет назад +3

      No, i *think" he's planning on using unRAID for the OS, and creating a passthrough VM using the GPU similar to what Linus did. Ideally you would use a HBA set to IT mode, or a flashed raid controller like the LSI 9211 (which is what i use). I don't think JBOD is the same. The unRAID OS needs bare metal access to the disks without the raid controller doing its thing. This enables proper SMART reporting etc. Google unRAID, you might find it interesting if you've never heard of it

  • @collinallen5356
    @collinallen5356 4 года назад

    I didnt like how the actual video based on the title didnt start until after 6min in... BUT... after the cable management started, it was a perfect/amazing diy video and I thank you! I have 2 or 3 pc building youtubers I watch and this was by far the best of this topic!

  • @charlesgentry9825
    @charlesgentry9825 6 лет назад +9

    Thanks Jay, this was very informative. I'm redoing my rat nests on both my builds. Needed this video! A+ Good job

  • @b.v.skijump432
    @b.v.skijump432 6 лет назад

    Very helpful. I have to install 6 drives in my upgrade build and now I have a good idea of how to manage them. The best trick I gathered in this video is the zip tie the cable in bundels. Thanks for that jay.

  • @ossme
    @ossme 6 лет назад +10

    I used a Ryzen for a similiar build (just with an R5) and believe it is a better choice. (x1800, 32GB ECC memory, 10x 8TB drives, 2x250GB SSD for boot, 2x 512GB Nvme drives for cache).

    • @EricTanGH0ST
      @EricTanGH0ST 6 лет назад +1

      ossme how's the temp of everything may I ask. I worry the case may have some airflow issue.

    • @ossme
      @ossme 6 лет назад +2

      It is working great! I have a total of 7 fans in there. The only major heat source is the GTX 1070

    • @DefineHatespeech
      @DefineHatespeech 6 лет назад

      ossme what are your temps under load ?
      I’m actually building a custom pc from ground up at the moment, went with r5 2600 and evga gtx 1070, have yet to put it all together though. I’m curious to hear how your setup is running temp wise

    • @bazonga9085
      @bazonga9085 5 лет назад +3

      ossme
      That’s a lot of hentai

  • @Fiendir
    @Fiendir 6 лет назад

    One of the best purchases I ever made was a roll of quality double-sided velcro strip, the same kind that comes with the Fractal case.
    Cut them a little bit longer than you think you'll need, do your cable management without needing to commit to any specific layout, then trim off the excess so they take up minimum space.
    Zip ties are probably the tightest fit tight and do the job damn well, but single time use and might have you cutting cables if you're rushing it or being plain careless.

  • @Neuro1989
    @Neuro1989 6 лет назад +86

    That PC must weight a ton.

    • @obundeawiwi6668
      @obundeawiwi6668 6 лет назад +3

      Neuro the r6 alone is 15 KG

    • @TheGunman889
      @TheGunman889 6 лет назад +1

      Neuro only if you lift it ! :D

    • @Camride
      @Camride 6 лет назад +3

      I built an almost identical build a few months ago as my home VMware server. Yes, it's freaking heavy as hell.

  • @crainger
    @crainger 6 лет назад

    My Gunmetal R6 has been delayed until March 16 and here is Jay managing cables in one. A thousand broken SATA connector upon you sir!

  • @PhlipPhlop13
    @PhlipPhlop13 6 лет назад +15

    No right-angled SATA cables? I find those are an excellent way to handle/improve cable management for drives in that configuration.

  • @TheAffanHabib
    @TheAffanHabib 6 лет назад

    I have so much respect for you, Jay. You are so humble and like-able.

  • @tjcummings5249
    @tjcummings5249 4 года назад +6

    I wish I would have seen this earlier I just built my first pc and from the front where the window is all the cables are hidden but... the back side isn’t so beautiful my cables are a tangled mess and I played hell getting the lid on

  • @Razor2048
    @Razor2048 6 лет назад +2

    I recommend going with MLC NAND SSDs for the cache, do not trust TLC that has only a tiny fraction of the write endurance of MLC.
    For caching, spend an extra 20-40% but get an SSD that can handle 5-8PB of writes over its life as compared to 200-300TB of writes from a TLC drive. Furthermore, you will get more consistent performance with MLC.

  • @aarondagneau8609
    @aarondagneau8609 4 года назад +7

    20:47 "That's better cable-managed than some systems I've seen that have 1 hard drive."
    *sigh* i have an m.2 and this thing is more cable managed than mine

    • @colinboyle7955
      @colinboyle7955 4 года назад

      ya so do i just shove my cables in my pc because im lazy LMAO

    • @joaoverdadeiro
      @joaoverdadeiro 4 года назад

      I have an m.2 too, and i do not see the drives as problem, but the thing is that case fans and their cables take the mess to another level... spent 3 hours yesterday to try and better manage the cables, and that was a moderate success. Though if i had hard drives, i'd be more screwed than i already am.

  • @ondro727
    @ondro727 6 лет назад

    @JayzTwoCents From my experience - when I do builds with multiple HDDs it often works better (and nicer) to use one SATA power cable for every other drive (1-3-5-7) and the other for the rest (2-4-6-8). Creates less loops/slacks and put less strain on the cable itself. The length between SATA power connectors on the cable was never a problem.

  • @preferredimage
    @preferredimage 6 лет назад +5

    A trick I've used for many drives in a stack is to power then up as drive 1,3,5,7 and 2,4,6,8 that way the power cable isnt bent over each drive and helps space things out. Also, I don't see any 90 degree sata cables being used. getting some 90 left and 90 right cabled would help flatten down all the data looms coming off those drives. And a question about the case, do the drives come out from the front side of the case or do you have to remove the entire sata power/data looms to get a drive out?

  • @gojeran
    @gojeran 6 лет назад

    Awesome video Jay. Just built a PC tonight for a friend and while my cable management had gotten better with each build this still helped give me some good ideas. Now I want to redo my main rigs cables.

  • @jesse-dg8yx
    @jesse-dg8yx 6 лет назад +150

    I've dealt with probably around 20 sata drives in my life and I've always pulled on cables and stuff and have never broke one of those plastic tabs

    • @shuylermample9544
      @shuylermample9544 6 лет назад +24

      I've actually had problems with the connectors on the cables breaking before the connectors on the drive breaking... not to say I'm not careful when installing or servicing them. Jay's recommendations on this point are still valid.

    • @Chuckiele
      @Chuckiele 6 лет назад +18

      I was about to write the same thing, cable managed many hard drives quite violently and not a single connector failed, didnt even think about that being an issue.

    • @kar351
      @kar351 6 лет назад +5

      Never broke one too...and I am constantly changing drives or plug in new ones to take stuff to friends or so. In the worst case scenario, I end up needing to replace the sata cables due to the excess bending.

    • @BossManSays
      @BossManSays 6 лет назад +3

      They're built to take a beating but like all plastic things they have their limits because some dumbass tries to hulk it.

    • @ebshadow89
      @ebshadow89 6 лет назад +13

      Jay is probably coming from a place of past experience. Shit happens.

  • @Vinconex
    @Vinconex 4 года назад

    Thank you good sir, all I ever get is my cable management is horrid but no "this is how you do it" THIS explains more in about 10 minutes than years of everyone giving me poor reviews on management instead of SHOWING me how to do it properly

  • @MattHalpain
    @MattHalpain 5 лет назад +9

    14:57 good tip to know to bend the zip tie at the end to get it through the tiny loop.

  • @nelsnash
    @nelsnash 6 лет назад

    Definitely some clean work! I too get obsessive with my cable management after building a few thousand systems haha. Heck, it takes me longer to cable manage than it does to assemble!
    One thing I've done in the past with tons of hard drives, to keep the sata power cables at equal lengths, is to alternate power from one cable to the next. Therefor keeping the base length nearly identical and shortening the extra loop length between drives. Makes for a cool effect too! Occasionally I have also removed the sata power plugs and re connected them at exact lengths to each drive. SUUUUPER clean! Man I miss building systems!

  • @RandySidberry
    @RandySidberry 5 лет назад +6

    Is there a second part to this video?
    What Raid did you use?

  • @DreamPhreak
    @DreamPhreak 6 лет назад

    Regarding tying cables together, I've been doing research for a long time yesterday about the different methods: Twist ties are dangerous because of the metal ends land on an electric component, it can short it out. There are thicker twist ties that don't have the exposed metal ends which are the ones you should use if going twist-tie route. Velcro ties are best except that if you don't cut them, they can become very bulky when wrapped around cables many times. The part of Zip ties that come in contact with the rubber coating of a cable can start to wear down the rubber, and also the fact that to replace them, you have to cut them, possibly cutting your cables. Reusable zip ties exist, which is what I'm going to use today. I don't plan on moving my cables at all after I manage them, so I don't think they would wear down the rubber coating so quickly.
    tl;dr: #1) velcro ties, cut to length to prevent bulk. #2) thick rubber/plastic twist ties without exposed metal wire on ends. #3) reusable zip ties. #4) regular zip ties. #5) if nothing else, then regular trash/grocery twist ties but used very carefully to prevent shorts.

  • @GrandBOI
    @GrandBOI 6 лет назад +74

    Guys it shows the IP @ 1:32 LIKE SO JAY CAN SEE!!!

    • @ksmashgamer5748
      @ksmashgamer5748 6 лет назад +5

      Grand noticed that

    • @elicantu5725
      @elicantu5725 6 лет назад +47

      Well that’s awkward 😅 1. Because he unintentionally revealed his IP and 2. Because he wasn’t using the VPN service he was promoting

    • @benbonney
      @benbonney 6 лет назад +13

      it doesnt matter, its not a public IP address, you wont be able to access his computer without going through his ISP

  • @Kavukamari
    @Kavukamari 5 лет назад +2

    I wish my case had some velcro loops like that, it'd be so much easier to keep things neat

  • @sebschrader
    @sebschrader 6 лет назад +5

    Why are you not using a SAS controller and SAS cables? You can connect 4 SATA drives with just one cable. Besides, there are no good SATA controller cards out there, that I would want to trust my data with. Go with something like an Avago 9361-16i. Additional benefit: You don't need to split the hard drives between onboard controller and external controller.

    • @jerseystechlife1143
      @jerseystechlife1143 6 лет назад

      Sebastian Schrader I am new to enterprise hardware and I am planning an unraid server inside a 12 hot-swap rosewill server case. My question is which sas card works best with unraid?

    • @sebschrader
      @sebschrader 6 лет назад +1

      I have no experience with unRAID, but because it's just Linux, I assume anything that works well with Linux, will work well with unRAID, if they provide a decent Kernel with all necessary drivers/modules, which I assume they do, if they provide storage software. In my experience LSI (now Avago/Broadcom) controllers are good choice. Pick one that has the proper PCIe interface for your mainboard (e.g. PCIe 3.0) and enough ports, that would probably be the -12i or -16i models in your case, otherwise you will need a SAS expander to connect more drives. The number stands for the number of lanes and the "i" for internal connection. In your case, I would recommend, that you use the controller just as dumb HBA without its hardware RAID capabilites and use the Linux software RAID provided by unRAID. This way, you are not dependent on LSI controllers, if something fails. You can just plug your hard drives in any other Linux machine and reassemble the RAID. And you can use all the flexibility that Linux RAID offers (changing RAID levels, resizing etc.). The performance benefit of hardware RAID, especially on a dedicated device, is most often not worth the hassle.

    • @jerseystechlife1143
      @jerseystechlife1143 6 лет назад

      Sebastian Schrader thanks for the information. I will look at that brand of cards.

    • @BluePedroN17
      @BluePedroN17 6 лет назад

      I totally understand the point of a dedicated RAID card if you're going the hardware-RAID route, but if you're just doing software-level RAID, what's the point of using the RAID card aside from the extra ports to connect the drives? (Asking strictly out of curiosity.)

    • @sebschrader
      @sebschrader 6 лет назад

      There are no good (reliable, high-performant) SATA cards out there. The SATA HBAs that are out there are based on the Marvell 88SE9128 or ASMedia ASM1061, which are not good. The SATA controllers inside the Intel or AMD chipsets are much better, but they are not standalone. Mainboards offer enough SATA ports for most customers, that's why there is not enough market demand for a high-performing SATA HBA. And why would you design such a controller, if you could build a SAS controller instead, where you have much larger market? So if you want something decent, you have to buy a SAS controller and they almost always offer at least some RAID levels, but you don't have to use it.

  • @thegasman7161
    @thegasman7161 6 лет назад

    I'm building a brand new home media server right now in exactly the same case, using the exact same Seagate 10TB drives, minus the GPU ! Keep up the good work Jay.

  • @juliusblom3750
    @juliusblom3750 6 лет назад +6

    Don’t know when I’ll actually be able get my hands on a video card to do some cable management of my own so I’ll just watch you do it instead.

  • @prospectsinc
    @prospectsinc 6 лет назад

    A very important point you missed Jay, is when the cables and peripherals are organized; it is much easier to give your machine a cleanup, which should be performed at least once a year. Thank you for teaching the rubes , how its done.

  • @truckerallikatuk
    @truckerallikatuk 6 лет назад +28

    Why not alternate the sata power cables? Then you'd not have the loops to deal with...

    • @toriawelsh7274
      @toriawelsh7274 5 лет назад

      Then the loops just get in the way of the next set of alternating connectors. The way he did it is just fine plsu if anything goes wrong with a drive's connection, he can easily see which drive and replace it easier etc. Just my 2 cents.

    • @brohvakiindova4452
      @brohvakiindova4452 4 года назад +3

      @@toriawelsh7274 wouldn't it be possible to put every second HDD upside down? so you got first connection on the left side, second on right side etc.

    • @mattevans1643
      @mattevans1643 4 года назад +1

      @@brohvakiindova4452 wouldn't change the fact that the cable would still be in the way. There is no way around it. You either make the loops. Or have a cable underneath another cable. Sure it'll work. But what's the point.

  • @wolfchacer0139
    @wolfchacer0139 5 лет назад +2

    Amazing video and top notch cable management, Great work Jay!
    I always use the 90 degree bent Sata data cables. There's plenty of room here for the ones you used but those 90 degree ones are made for that reason.

  • @pikerdm7466
    @pikerdm7466 6 лет назад +6

    put a Noctua NF-D15 on that CPU, they never fail I have had 2 of them for the last 5 years and they cool verry well. you can even add the new cromax stuff if you want it to look good.

  • @jedsanford7879
    @jedsanford7879 6 лет назад

    Your vids are really easy to watch bro. It makes it kinda fun to watch instead of jackass jokes while I am trying to learn how to build better

  • @gavincarl8105
    @gavincarl8105 6 лет назад +4

    For the drives, it would have been better to plug one cable into every other, and the next into the remaining ones. wouldn't have to bend the sata cables

  • @RandomZeroGravity
    @RandomZeroGravity 6 лет назад

    All that zip ties hurt my eyes...going back to my own personal experience of nightmares. Since then velcro has saved my day. I feel like in heaven...or somewhere in between. In the end, awesome result Jay. What a pro.

  • @MatthewWeiler1984
    @MatthewWeiler1984 6 лет назад +6

    What about the other 7 drives?

  • @hammer9856
    @hammer9856 6 лет назад

    Oh what a tangled tale Jay weaves in this video... Great job!

  • @ryanreeves8986
    @ryanreeves8986 6 лет назад +12

    Server with no ECC RAM? Surely it's worth it and recommended even if using unRAID. I get its sponsored, but a hot swappable Norco / Supermicro 16 bay with ECC RAM would have been better imo. This is still cool, don't get me wrong, but i wouldn't class it as server grade. Cabling is boss though.

    • @Stonehenge81
      @Stonehenge81 6 лет назад +4

      Agreed, I thought it was interesting that he decided not to use ECC memory. I'm also curious to hear his reasoning for it, which I'm sure there has to be one.

    • @ryanreeves8986
      @ryanreeves8986 6 лет назад +1

      Yeah, i get that you have backups of your data etc, but i wouldn't want to keep my home pictures / videos on a "server" without it. In his case, i assume it's all his RUclips videos, so just as important

  • @lexx396
    @lexx396 6 лет назад +1

    I tend to use small velcro ties when organising where my cables are going to go. Then once I have everything where I want it I zip tie them then remove the velcro ones, that way the cables stay in the same place.
    I find this is easier than constantly cutting and retying zip ties as you change positions.

  • @_Subieboy
    @_Subieboy 6 лет назад +15

    So clean 😍

  • @findursol
    @findursol 6 лет назад

    Nord is a good sponsor that's relevant to your content, example of good advertisement. Thanks Jay.

  • @michaelfairchild
    @michaelfairchild 6 лет назад +31

    If thats pro, then I dont know what to call people who make custom length cables and use special combs and cable clips for their build.

    • @Jayztwocents
      @Jayztwocents  6 лет назад +63

      Gods

    • @NorAlienEuqcab
      @NorAlienEuqcab 6 лет назад

      Hahaha yeah I've done that a few times in my original setups. Lots of hours and completely worth it.
      Although I think that's for another video. Besides it does add to the cost as this would apply to the regular user. 😊

    • @michaelfairchild
      @michaelfairchild 6 лет назад

      Wire and pins arent expensive in and of itself. Sleeving and tools that come with it are the $$$ factor. Though, I agree it is worth it, but I digress.

    • @alicherifahmed5200
      @alicherifahmed5200 6 лет назад

      Those are cable artists

    • @monstieb2122
      @monstieb2122 6 лет назад +1

      cablemod.com

  • @ianlong4704
    @ianlong4704 6 лет назад

    I literally just finished my new build less than an hour ago. I came over to my phone and saw this now. My cable management was a mess. I really needed this about 12 hours ago.

  • @evilwoodchuck
    @evilwoodchuck 5 лет назад +20

    CoolerMaster should quit at life for that ATX connector. It's atrocious.

    • @Charlie6969
      @Charlie6969 4 года назад

      Because POWER, so it's got to be big, right? it's a gimmick.

  • @WraithWTF
    @WraithWTF 6 лет назад

    Nicely done video on a rarely-discussed topic...only thing I do extra in a build with lots of drives is labeling both ends of the SATA cables...makes tracking a cable and/or finding a bad drive that you're trying to replace way easier.

  • @weeniehutjr5918
    @weeniehutjr5918 6 лет назад +23

    VPN Wars: Nord vs TunnelBear

  • @vSOAPYv
    @vSOAPYv 6 лет назад

    Hey just a tip on cutting zipties, if you use pliers and twist the extra length until it breaks instead of cutting with snips it will not leave a sharp edge that could cut the wires.

  • @joshua_lee732
    @joshua_lee732 4 года назад +6

    I wanna see Jay try to cable manage a case that doesn;t do 70% of the work for him

    • @venividivici4253
      @venividivici4253 4 года назад

      Joshua Lee I’ve done it on pre built systems with ease that don’t have cable tie down points.

  • @medicalmike2414
    @medicalmike2414 6 лет назад

    I pretty much do the same thing Jay. I have built about 7 or so PCs for myself, family and a friend of mine. I just finished my streaming PC with AMD Ryzen 5 1600, 32Gb 2400 MHz RAM, and a GTX 980 I got off a guy at work for $220 bucks before the massive GPU price hike. I wish I was a little better at cable managing but my builds still look nice inside main compartment. Just wish I could water cool my 2 GTX 1080s in my gaming PC to have them run a little more quiet while I game.

  • @SalandFindles
    @SalandFindles 6 лет назад +4

    That saturation/hue switch @ 5:35. What happened there?

    • @gyorgysanta145
      @gyorgysanta145 6 лет назад

      It turned into fancy build-montage with music mode. :D

    • @krallopian
      @krallopian 5 лет назад

      @@gyorgysanta145 Happens on a lot of his videos. I assume it's just a precomposition inside of After Effects that the editor reuses, once it shows up, there's a slightly visible transparency issue. Always bothered me, but I never see people comment on it =D

  • @DirtyDane14
    @DirtyDane14 6 лет назад

    Honestly, didn't think I would learn much from this video (even though I'm no professional by any means), but this was an extremely helpful video. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this and show us how it should always be done.

  • @shadow306k
    @shadow306k 6 лет назад +15

    So I still have to buy multiple Define r6's if I want extra drive trays, got it...

    • @christophermoore1730
      @christophermoore1730 5 лет назад +1

      No fractal has them on their website for to buy two at a time for the R6

  • @knightraven7772
    @knightraven7772 4 года назад +2

    "Have your tools out of reach, that's an important part of cable management." "Ok, if you say so..." (throws wire cutters across the room). "Uhm..."

  • @KrogTV
    @KrogTV 6 лет назад +3

    Would YA just LOOK at it?!

  • @tjjamison1736
    @tjjamison1736 5 лет назад +1

    Fractal R6 hands down is the best Case on the market. So much modular expandability and cable management is a breeze.

  • @MrInfinityX
    @MrInfinityX 5 лет назад +5

    I just purchased a modular PSU. Simple.

  • @bradpigott8883
    @bradpigott8883 5 лет назад

    Just about to build my first "modern" case build. Been about 7 years since I put together a tower and this has helped heaps, thanks!!

  • @itsdeonlol
    @itsdeonlol 6 лет назад +18

    Sponsored by LinusTechTips!!!!

  • @billyhatcher643
    @billyhatcher643 5 лет назад

    after watching alot of ur videos over the years i noticed that digress is one of ur favorite words to say all the time which i think there should be a tshirt that says i digress

  • @jesse-dg8yx
    @jesse-dg8yx 6 лет назад +3

    If you do an update video pleasee tell us the weight of it?

  • @allenkennedy99
    @allenkennedy99 5 лет назад

    I just built my first pc in that exact case. I think I did okay in terms of cable management. Keeping wires bundled, using my pass through grommets, etc. I have a bit of a rat's nest by my drives at the bottom though. You wouldn't notice though if you saw it from the other side. I'm really quite proud of myself.

  • @samorlowski490
    @samorlowski490 5 лет назад +4

    But, how many pictures can I store
    On this thing

    • @Hodoss
      @Hodoss 5 лет назад

      About one fuckillion.

  • @jessesworld6400
    @jessesworld6400 6 лет назад

    You should connect the sata power cables differently. Cable 1 should connect to drives 1, 3, 5, and 7. Cable 2 to drives 2, 4, 6, and 8. This should eliminate Ali those mini bunched up cable loops. Just a thought but liked how you did the rest of the cables very good process. Loved the little idea to rotate the zip tie clasp around and hidden in the back side.

  • @jeremyemerson
    @jeremyemerson 5 лет назад +3

    Wait, what's a "zip-tie"? Don't you know? They're called "tweezers".

    • @kola7106
      @kola7106 5 лет назад

      The verge haha.

  • @michaelg1532
    @michaelg1532 4 года назад

    Just put all of my parts into a new case. Was able to do /some/ cable management. The hardest part was the dangling case fan wires that plug into the smart controller, and the power supply cables. My cables are not flat, they're all round.

  • @LeFabio
    @LeFabio 6 лет назад +4

    Could anybody suggest a video or a tutorial how to set up a home media server? I'd really like to have all my stuff in one place, and free up my laptop storage. Also, I came to an idea of having a media server made of 2.5" drives, and in case that I have to take, lets say, a disk with music, and stick it into my laptop. Would that be possible? Is it possible to have a server thats not RAIDed?
    Im aware of the safety reasons and the reason why you set up a RAID, but Im a risk taking bastard, so Id do it that way..

    • @roberthickman4092
      @roberthickman4092 6 лет назад

      Yes of coarse however you want raid unless your data isn't valuable, redundancy is a good thing. You can sync the files so they are duplicated on your laptop for offline access.

    • @LeFabio
      @LeFabio 6 лет назад

      Robert Hickman i know the point of raid, but for my first server id use probably as much as 5TB storage..i'd go with raid if i didnt want to extract the drives every now and then and take them with me, instead of taking the whole server..you get the idea? 1TB drive for movies, 1TB drive for music, etc. Is it possible to have it mixed? Some raided, some unraided..i'd go with raid for smth like photos and videos i made..sine these would be more important than hoarded music and pc games..

  • @g1zmo85
    @g1zmo85 6 лет назад

    Easily the part I need to work on most, I have a single M.2 drive and my cables management looks crappy, even though the case has plenty of solid cable management options. Thanks for this video Jay!!!

  • @NYCamper62
    @NYCamper62 3 года назад

    At 8:50 ish where the fan header on the define 7 is at the top cables should route correctly to the right and down. I hope so I just bought one. Video was helpful thanx Jay.

  • @Chaosdude341
    @Chaosdude341 4 года назад

    Jay, thank you for popularizing aesthetics in PC building. It helped me to think of how to not just make my PC effective, but also beautiful. Thank you.

  • @sanitylogic4611
    @sanitylogic4611 6 лет назад

    Teach a man to build a computer, he plays for the day. Teach a man to cable manage, and he has endless satisfaction for a life time.

  • @cboscan1
    @cboscan1 6 лет назад

    That cable management looks so good that I'd use that side panel as the main view.