They nailed the hard part -- the build. We're planning to anonymously revisit Origin again in the future sometime (can't give a date range since they'll look out for it!) to see if they improve on the easy parts, like getting the CPU to work properly. Watch the full technical review of the Origin Genesis here: ruclips.net/video/bflZYG5DWPg/видео.html The best way to support our work is through our store: store.gamersnexus.net/
Being the only one as far as I can tell who does this often I thank you and the teams hard work on shedding light on this gigantic corner of the PC world
I have to wonder with the fans was a mistake, as the temp target was supposed to be based on the loop temp, and because that isn't available in BIOS, it defaulted to CPU temp instead, causing the odd fan ramp. maxing out the fans when the loop hits 40c sounds reasonable, as it should never really get that hot.
Aye, pre-builts are just in a really awkward spot... In a perfect world, they'd be an amazing entrypoint into the wider PC world. To achieve that, they have literally a single job they need to nail: work properly right out of the box. Yet it seems that most companies fail to even meet that singular goal... Doesnt matter whether it's through malice or incompetence, the whole point of a prebuilt system is be be an avenue for people that lack the knowledge, will or time to build and troubleshoot their own system. If you cant provide that, your service offers no value and your product realistically has no right to exist. Sadly reality shows that cutting every corner possible in order to scam people that dont know any better with horrendous value piles of e-waste seems to be the norm...
“Corsair owns Origin if you didn’t know” It’s information like this that even though it’s unnecessary for the content, helps new viewers get up to speed. I appreciate these bits of information!
@@GamersNexusive heard mice squeek less than that for free, that squeek is more horrifying than any horror movie to date for the price it cost to hear it
Steve, that is not dye fallout in the CPU block coldplate. That is PETG or PMMA debris from not fully cleaning the components, particularly the tubing, prior to assembly. It's a common issue among less experienced loop builders. Even more experienced ones can fall into the trap if they are in a rush. Particle based dyes such as those used in opaque coolants become a sludge and then a powder when dry. Liquid dyes do not have fallout but they will break down debris already in the loop. This is particularly true if you use a coolant with ethylene glycol and to a lesser extent, propylene glycol. To be clear, in this particular instance, this is not the fault of the dye. This is the fault of the builder.
Yea that's what I was thinking. I've never seen a clear dyed coolant have any fallout, only the opaque stuff. I had eks blue clear running for almost two years without maintenance. It stained blocks and tubing blue but I had nothing "fallout". There wasn't any type of debri in my blocks. It did take some elbow grease to remove the bluing but afterwards they looked like they had never been used.
I made that mistake on my first hard line build. Even though I rinsed all the tubing in distilled prior to install I was not thorough enough. Wont make that mistake again. I switched to EPDM tubing for all my personal builds now anyways. Hardline looks great but maintenance and changing out parts was too much of a time consumer for me. Now I just trim a piece of tubing to length and done.
Could also be left over Rad gunk. I doubt they cleaned them before putting them in the build. and even though corsair uses rebranded HWlabs rads they should still be flushed when new
The lack of drain valve for a 6k-dollar PC is definitely upsetting. And this is also coming from a company who makes watercooling components. Anyways, awesome video as always, GN team! 👍
Also using dye... I figured they would've done more thorough testing on flaking. It's probably waaaaay easier to just install LEDs with clear liquid, especially since it interacts so well with the tubing!
@@Rov-Nihil Multi billion dollar automotive corporations still have problems with paint adhesion to this day, how much R&D would Origin customers have to pay to beat the problem?
@@actually5004 they would have to pay less because Origin isn't using stupid dyes in their tanks which will actually net them more money since less repairs (cuz of gunk) equals less costs and more money in the long run. The actual question is, how much would they have to pay for easily placed LEDs which can be cable managed easily onto the controller?🤓
I appreciate that you call out not only faults (of which there are many in all the prebuilts you review) but you also give praise immediately when you find something that was done properly, or with great care.
As an old commercial electronic tech, I can tell you there is a fine line, between tight cable management and serviceability. It takes a while to develop a great balance.
@Keith Wolf Not sure, may have been making a suggestion about being able to easily drain your loop without putting your life at risk. I don't know, not really clear. But hey it can do 8k gaming! Did ya know that? Huh? And cool RBG! Gotta have the RGB! Did I mention RGB!!
Not having a drain is such a rookie miss, I did that on my first custom loop as in I missed adding one. That I sure fixed on the second loop I made cause it was a PAIN. Also again shows why I prefer a clear coolant, just less chance for trouble.
There is a great little ‘hack’ to drain the reservoir. Use a hand crank pump that is normally used to transfer fuel to fuel tanks in model airplanes. :)
Yeah, the zip ties kill it for me. I'm in IT, at the architect level, but I came up through the ranks starting with telephone technical support. I specialize in IP networking, and zip ties are anathema to the work in my part of the industry. Velcro cable ties, people. It spreads the retention force across a larger area, it doesn't kink the cables, it's safe for use with optical (not likely an issue for PC cable management), and it's _trivially removable and replaceable._ That last is likely the critical one; there are too many adds/moves/changes to a production environment once it goes into its operations/maintenance phase of life cycle, and zip ties mean you have to completely disassemble the bundle to either add, remove, or even properly trace a cable.
Or you get lazy people who just run the cable down the outside of the zip ties then toss a new one on, a couple years later you end up with bundles with like 5 layers of zip ties.
i think you are just being "elitist" (for the lack of a better word). it's perfectly fine to use zip ties when tidying up cables on a home PC. sure, it's not good for the cables if you tie them up too tight but come on, just don't tie them up too tight! also, how often do people change/add components on their PCs once they're fully built anyways? i would guess not often.
Shame Microcenter isn't more readily available for everyone. I had my last machine built there back in 2018 - picked out the parts and then paid them a small fee to put it together. Build quality is pretty good in my opinion. Cable management isn't near the quality of this Origin machine but it is still very well done, or to be more specific a lot better than what I would have done if I had put it together. I will be going back to them for my next build in June.
@@mbvglider yeah, this cable management "looks" nice, but the instant you have to change a fan or replace a pump it becomes a disaster. You have to tear it all apart and then it, and to a prebuilt buyer it would be intimidating and or impossible.... The back of the case does not need to look perfect, that's why it's hidden behind a door.
Alexander PCs is phenomenal in quality and the prices are reasonable. I paid them 6.5k for a rig, alls I added was an additional storage of 2tb for 200$. But they give a PC part picker list link so you can compare their price to just building it yourself. The parts were around 5.2k value I believe. Sounds like a 1k upcharge right? Nope, that's with shipping AND lifetime warranty factored in. I swear I remember origin or digital storm wanting to charge hundreds of dollars for just a few year warranty. I've had my Alexander prebuilt since March this year, and it's been phenomenal. It came with a broken power button, but I can't fault that since that could just be an unfortunate shipping accident. Not a shill, just thought it would be good to spread word of an actually good prebuilt company.
I love the way you give the companies a chance to correct errors and bad practices. This makes it less adversarial, and more cooperative. The big wigs don't get their hands dirty with building stuff, but they should know how it works and what are the basics of building a good system for the customer.
11:26 - I don't know if the "Do it right" on the bucket was intentionally faced towards the camera, but this genuinely made me spit my coffee out! Lmao.
Reminder: If you live near a Microcenter, you can pick the parts, pay them $150 and they will build it for you. Though, full custom water loops would take that build price up a lot. But you'd still be at least $1,000 a head compared to this system pre-built and without any compromises on parts.
Even not going the build route, the pricing and availability of nearly every component has me wanting to save up and take a day trip from AZ to CA just to get it all done in one trip.
5:46 Exactly - I can't tell you how many people I built a system for and this is spot on.. It's expected that if something goes wrong, they contact you. So yeah I've turned many onto pre-build companies vs my self building it for them.. lol
Whoever built the thing sure did a fabulous job (other than no drain valve), that cable management is insanely good. It's just too bad whoever it got passed on to configure sure wasn't as meticulous.
Almost pulled the trigger on one of Corsair's 4k pre-built so glad they went up on the price $300. Now going to have a build done locally best part now can get the 7950x3d.Thanks again for a great job guys.✌ 😉
I have an older Origin Millennium case. I just got done customizing it to have 2 360mm XR7 radiators in both push and pull with EK water blocks for the CPU and ABP for the 3090ti, I mounted an EK Distro plate hard lined it with dual Commander Core Pros and Dual RGB Hubs. I custom Made my own distro plate mount and CCP Mounts swing out SSD Sleds front radiator mount and custom top radiator mount. Some pieces 3D printed and some CNC plasma cut.
I did that kind of cable management once. Then when maintenance happened it was a nightmare. Now I kind of group wires depending on what they are to make it so much easier. It all hidden in the back so it's not pretty but it is functional.
I fail to understand how GN can call this excess of cable tying "great cable management". This gross excess of cable ties is a waste of materials, adds to the cost, and creates a maintenance nightmare.
So I got a pre-built from EKWB Fluid Gaming that was on sale because it was "used" for a convention weekend and it was the best purchase I made. It had not only a drain but an extra foot of soft tube and instructions on how to drain.
The sediment in the block was likely radiator gunk. Corsair rads require a very thorough cleaning before use, or the loop ends up with gunk and debris all over. I should know, I own 7 of them. I'm going to assume they didn't prep sufficiently.
I've built custom loops and it is a hobby all in itself. There was a time when you could get a substantial performance increase over air. Now the performance increase is so minor, particularly considering the cost of the loop, I'd say not to do it unless you just want to do it for the hobby aspect. An AIO or good air cooler is more than enough.
The times of getting significantly more performance is gone with current boosting algorithms and auto overclocks. Also noise is much less a problem with todays fans. A GPU can become much less noisy with deshrouding and just replacing the stock fans with 120mm fans. Good cpu air coolers are mostly inaudible except when ramping up to 2000+ rpm. In nearly all cases, you are better off investing the money in higher tier components and tweaking some bios settings than building a custom loop. Custom water cooling is of course still viable for aesthetics and generally as a hobby.
I use AIO and no issue.Most AIO come with anti leak tech now.Air cooling good too but the more newer cpus starting to get more powerful and use power which means they get hotter so need good cooler for them.
I decided to use twist ties where I expected I'd have to disassemble cable runs for maintenance. Finding color matched twist ties is no big deal, they look fine, and are easy to remove and reinstall.
Unpopular opinion: zip ties every 3cm is not a good cable management. It's a nightmare to rearrange, especially if you don't have wirecutters and trying to cut them with scissors or knife. Velcro cable ties are so much better for this task.
I don't think that opinion is unpopular at all among DIY builders. Velcro ties are way better for maintenance, you're absolutely right. But these aren't built to be maintained or they'd have drain valves. Remember that this isn't built for someone who is likely to replace or add components.
Ive always wondered if the name associated with the pc order influences the quality. Like if your name is actually Steve, Linus, or that of any other prebuild reviewer; would they out of paranoia actually QA the device to make sure its good?
Hey Steve, something I wanted to bring up was that just because a part is being supplied between divisions under the same company umbrella does not mean that they are necessarily getting parts at cost or even reduced pricing. I worked for a manufacturing plant that really emphasized independent profitability in each division and not only charged full sales prices across divisions but still required regular contracts etc and would short less lucrative internal contracts for the sake of more lucrative external contracts even when they knew that the other division failing to meet contract deadlines or having to seek other outside suppliers on short notice would end up harming the company overall. I'm not saying it's smart, I'm just saying it does happen.
I still think the fan curve issue is that it was meant for the liquid temperature sensor instead of the CPU package. At ~13:40 in the previous video you can see that the Quiet preset has the CPU Package selected as the target sensor. If that was changed to the liquid sensor (listed as Command PRO Temp on my computer) I am almost 100% sure that the noise and fan speed issues would be resolved. If so (very likely), this is still a huge oversight in the build process. It's SO hard to understand how they wouldn't think those constantly revving fans were normal on ANY system. Makes it seem like they really just didn't test it at all or at the very least didn't care.
In case Corsair reads the comments, here is the SKU for the part you need: SKU CX-9055020-WW You sell it to us for 20 bucks, so it's probably about $3 for you. for another 20 bucks to us, you could put a rotary splitter, and probably make this loop serviceable.
"Do it right" on the bucket at the same time you're talking about not having a drain valve leading to liability while balancing the tower on edge is a sight to behold.
@Gamers Nexus I don't care about the actual review. I'm never buying a pre-built in my life. However it's nice to see the physical builds, particularly when It's the case I have. Also the joy of hearing Steve's voice.
I couldn't imagine not building myself I was the kid taking apart every electronic device in the house. I repaired my own PS1 at age 10 that my dad wouldn't take on. Lol it's in my blood apparently. My work is hands on with electrician and computers as well. Not surprising turnout.
The Hydro X Series XD5 RGB Pump/Reservoir Combo (That is what it looks like you have) Not only has a drain, but an integrated fill port as well. I guess you didn't notice the cover for it on the right side of your tubes. There are 3 ports on the block for a reason. It is interchangeable to route your tubes from that side if needed / wanted. You simply put in a 90degree with a flex hose to drain. It is also capable of a flush without having to remove anything.
I can't imagine recommending anyone I know a prebuilt system. There are way too many straight up scams that makes it hard to justify a prebuilt system. Even if you happen to find a good deal on what looks like a decent prebuild you're only encouraging them to fall into future traps. I've built PCs for family and friends for 15+ years and never had a problem.
>I can't imagine recommending anyone I know a prebuilt system So what do you tell them when they ask you what they should buy? I just tell them I haven't been keeping up lately and they should walk into Microcenter and tell the nice person their budget and let them recommend something
@@MikeDawson1Assuming they're my friends, I go with just helping them, along with a waiver that I'm not responsible for their stuff post-build. I try to only keep decent people as actual friends, so no one bothers me about it. I don't help people with PCs that I don't trust not to be b****s about it later- and they don't make my friend list in the first place. If it was my boss or some such... they can go take a hike (JK), but more seriously, I'd shrug and chances are suggest a laptop and a dock (they're really what most people need).
The cable management is really well done! As someone myself building in a 7000D case, getting the inside cable shroud door frame is quite the challenge
Steve, Great tear down, thanks for the info, but You need a funnel with a hose! To drain that loop a funnel with a hose would have let you do pretty much what you did but for like $5 in parts you would have likely saved half your time. Another idea, You could have broken the loop the in one place, then pumped air in. I blow my loops clear, but I am pretty sure I have seen you pull out a little hand pump at least once.
I don't think I have ever heard you compliment someone's work so wholeheartedly. If i was the person who built and or cable managed this I'd be ecstatic haha.
@@christophermullins7163 It's not going to the low level employees who actually do all the work. It's going to executives. Is this your first time experiencing capitalism?
Its certainly great work for a computer. Perfect would be if some cables wouldnt cross over others in a few places. "All perfectly straight side by side!" is what my old teacher required us to do some 25 years ago for wiring jobs in control and switching cabinets. We hated his pedantry because in production nobody demanded this level of accuracy for obvious reasons. 😮💨
Eh, the build quality wasn’t great overall. The paint was problematic, the side panel had issues, and the fluid is clogging the loop after a very short period. The cable management was done well, and the hard lines were run decently. But no easy way to drain a clogging system means that’ll be a very expensive paperweight for a lot of customers in a few years.
I don't understand why builders and AIO manufacturers don't use a waterless coolant. Like Evans (that's the brand name). It's a superior coolant. Cost maybe?
When you removed the seals and started draining the coolant, man I had mega anxiety, have a watercooled build and home and done a few times, never gets me less anxious 😂.
So, coming at this from someone who works as a repair technician for a major tech company who sells primarily phones and laptops, I have complete control of the hardware when something comes in my desk for repair, meaning I can turn every screw and fix every cable as neatly as I can, but when it comes to software, I can only hand it off and let whoever is next in the repair line do their job. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a similar thing, they have an OS they just flash on the system and then ship it after a brief QA check.
Hey Steve, bring in a can of charcoal lighter fluid for removing thermal paste, it will melt it off faster than you might expect and you'll get a cleaner surface.
I agree about being too meticulous with cable management can be detrimental. I used to be too meticulous but if I needed to change a cable or add more cables it would be a nightmare. I did away with ties and only use velcro for management and also I give the cables some slack so the can move and squish if for example they’re against the back door or if I need to do some other work. Doesn’t look as pretty but it’s functional management, the front will remain clean and it won’t be seen anyways if done correctly.
SUGGESTION: Steve, instead of trying to old the bucket up to the PC, why not get a funnel and a length of tubing to catch the fluid and direct it down to the bucket. It doesn't excuse Corsair's forgetting to include drain and refill options on the case, but it's a less messy approach to draining water loops in general.
Great vid! This was a very unwise move on their part not including a drain valve. I actually purchased their Genesis Full Tower PC case (back in 2016), and custom built it on my own. Still have the case and don't have issues draining my system. I made sure to think that through very carefully, because of videos like this. Again, great vid!
I recommend Recom computers in the Bay Area. Guy has been doing it for 30 years. Charges between $155 and $225 depending on specs. He has built thousands of these, with excellent build quality.
It's funny the 180 my view on this machine is... personally... stuff i can fix in software is easy... the fact the hardware is done well is a huge win to me and i'd be okay with having bought this machine.
As someone who manages data centers for a living, that cable management pleases my OCD. A service nightmare, but as long as you don't need to mod it, it's beautiful. I don't mind paying a premium price for a pre-built, but premium price demands premium quality across the board and I'm just not seeing that with any consistency with any pre-builds. If I'm going to have to fix anything on it, I might as well built it myself and pocket the difference.
LTT should sell cable ties to Origin to use for just above cost. It would be great synergy for them both, and probably a pleasant surprise for many, while reducing single use plastics and making any maintenance easier with no need to keep buying zip ties every time you change something.
17:20 but what's the purpose of the door, anyway? It adds weight, takes up a bit of space, and doesn't benefit either the looks or the functionally. Unless I'm missing something. It even gets in your way or blocks your light sometimes while working on it. Nobody else can see the door and it doesn't hold the cables in place because it's not secured.
Funny you mentioned ABS I had to send several in a row back before getting one that was damaged but worked for a friend who wanted a prebuilt for a wedding gift. First was the wrong build in the right box, second had a damaged (wouldn't boot) and unconnected GPU and fans, third worked fine but the liquid cooler on the CPU was scratched and marred bad but we kept it anyway to make the wedding on time. As for Corsair I had to RMA a icue Nexus screen, two LC100 panel sets and two sets of DDR5 ram sets that was all bad in just a four month period. Even had the Corsair support start an argument with me and basically tell me he was overworked and taking his off time to fix my issues and I had no clue what I was talking about in regards to the damaged ram set after weeks of back and forth testing he had me do and I had to get his supervisor to step in by reaching out on Reddit. Funny though the new ram set worked fine after he implied it was my system (on an about 8k-10k, lost count, self build) and not their ram. Both those companies are now on my stay away list for 2023 till QC improves. All self builds from now on.
The easiest way to get rid of all the coolant on a system like that without a drain valve is to use a wet-dry shop-vac. Works great for home plumbing, car cooling systems and everywhere else I've tried it.
for what it's worth I was able to acquire a open box skytech for only $1800 with a 3080 and a 3900X back in May of last year. Gpu power cable wasn't fully seated and i suspect that's why i got the deal lol
You all are probably aware of this but for maintenance on hard tubing I find it a lot easier to just turn the rotaries instead of pulling the hard tubing out of the fitting while everything is in place.
I used to work for cyberpower and their service division the way we would empty Hardline tubing setups would be flipping the entire machine upside down and draining the fill port
They nailed the hard part -- the build. We're planning to anonymously revisit Origin again in the future sometime (can't give a date range since they'll look out for it!) to see if they improve on the easy parts, like getting the CPU to work properly.
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how did they get even manage to screw up the basics so badly, then nail the build quality (except for the paint)?
it's impressive
You guys should do Digital Storm next!
Being the only one as far as I can tell who does this often I thank you and the teams hard work on shedding light on this gigantic corner of the PC world
Awesome teardown and review! Now do a system from Falcon Northwest please
I have to wonder with the fans was a mistake, as the temp target was supposed to be based on the loop temp, and because that isn't available in BIOS, it defaulted to CPU temp instead, causing the odd fan ramp. maxing out the fans when the loop hits 40c sounds reasonable, as it should never really get that hot.
My biggest problem with pre-builds is that finding a good one arguably requires more knowledge than just building the damn thing yourself.
Yup. Once you know what to look for to make sure the prebuilt isn't screwed up, you know how to build it yourself.
Very very very good point.
Not to mention finding ones that don't have tons of bloatware😭
Aye, pre-builts are just in a really awkward spot...
In a perfect world, they'd be an amazing entrypoint into the wider PC world.
To achieve that, they have literally a single job they need to nail: work properly right out of the box.
Yet it seems that most companies fail to even meet that singular goal...
Doesnt matter whether it's through malice or incompetence, the whole point of a prebuilt system is be be an avenue for people that lack the knowledge, will or time to build and troubleshoot their own system.
If you cant provide that, your service offers no value and your product realistically has no right to exist.
Sadly reality shows that cutting every corner possible in order to scam people that dont know any better with horrendous value piles of e-waste seems to be the norm...
Great point Sven!
“Corsair owns Origin if you didn’t know” It’s information like this that even though it’s unnecessary for the content, helps new viewers get up to speed. I appreciate these bits of information!
It's pretty wild when the Corsair brand of pre-built is actually premium compared to this Origin build.
I had no idea tbh
Can't believe the glass panel was trying to host this video, such eager little go-getters!
Anyway, we--*squeeeeeaaak*
@@GamersNexusive heard mice squeek less than that for free, that squeek is more horrifying than any horror movie to date for the price it cost to hear it
This is an unoriginal thought
@@biblical_figure might be unoriginal but its not wrong
What a whiner it is tho
Steve, that is not dye fallout in the CPU block coldplate. That is PETG or PMMA debris from not fully cleaning the components, particularly the tubing, prior to assembly. It's a common issue among less experienced loop builders. Even more experienced ones can fall into the trap if they are in a rush. Particle based dyes such as those used in opaque coolants become a sludge and then a powder when dry. Liquid dyes do not have fallout but they will break down debris already in the loop. This is particularly true if you use a coolant with ethylene glycol and to a lesser extent, propylene glycol. To be clear, in this particular instance, this is not the fault of the dye. This is the fault of the builder.
Yea that's what I was thinking. I've never seen a clear dyed coolant have any fallout, only the opaque stuff. I had eks blue clear running for almost two years without maintenance. It stained blocks and tubing blue but I had nothing "fallout". There wasn't any type of debri in my blocks. It did take some elbow grease to remove the bluing but afterwards they looked like they had never been used.
I was thinking the same thing
I made that mistake on my first hard line build. Even though I rinsed all the tubing in distilled prior to install I was not thorough enough. Wont make that mistake again. I switched to EPDM tubing for all my personal builds now anyways. Hardline looks great but maintenance and changing out parts was too much of a time consumer for me. Now I just trim a piece of tubing to length and done.
Could also be left over Rad gunk. I doubt they cleaned them before putting them in the build. and even though corsair uses rebranded HWlabs rads they should still be flushed when new
Question (never built a cooling lop before) could you add a filter (something like a fuel filter on a car) to catch any sediment/debris?
That's some high-quality paint if it cuts you...
hahaha, it's added value!
It's sourced from a chemical company that operates on the cutting edge of paint technology.
Sharp design, isn't it ?
It's not your PC if you didn't bleed for it.
Feature, not a bug... :D
The lack of drain valve for a 6k-dollar PC is definitely upsetting. And this is also coming from a company who makes watercooling components.
Anyways, awesome video as always, GN team! 👍
Also using dye... I figured they would've done more thorough testing on flaking. It's probably waaaaay easier to just install LEDs with clear liquid, especially since it interacts so well with the tubing!
@@Rov-Nihil Multi billion dollar automotive corporations still have problems with paint adhesion to this day, how much R&D would Origin customers have to pay to beat the problem?
@@actually5004 Probably not much. Paint adhesion isn't a super common issue in automotive anymore. It's not the 90's at Chrysler anymore (RIP Neon)
@@actually5004 they would have to pay less because Origin isn't using stupid dyes in their tanks which will actually net them more money since less repairs (cuz of gunk) equals less costs and more money in the long run. The actual question is, how much would they have to pay for easily placed LEDs which can be cable managed easily onto the controller?🤓
You can choose to add a drain valve, gamers nexus didn’t do that.
Cutting the RGB chord and the relief after, "oh my God that was super worth doing. Holy crap." That made my day!
I appreciate that you call out not only faults (of which there are many in all the prebuilts you review) but you also give praise immediately when you find something that was done properly, or with great care.
It comes with creepy closet opening sound from horror movies 😨
We actually were talking about saving the recording for a future disappointment PC!
I start singing Thriller in my head when I hear the squeaky door lol
Sweet !!!!!
As an old commercial electronic tech, I can tell you there is a fine line, between tight cable management and serviceability. It takes a while to develop a great balance.
There's nothing serviceable about zip ties, y'all using them have lost your minds
@@tony6795 Velcro ties exist. Use them.
@@33gles I already do?
Velcro or nothing for me. I would rather they not cable manage over using zip ties all over the place like this.
@@TheDainerss It's a prebuilt, I doubt the buyer will ever service it...
I love the "DO IT RIGHT" on the bucket you're using to drain the loop with. PERFECTION!
Yea do you think he was making a statement lol
@Keith Wolf Not sure, may have been making a suggestion about being able to easily drain your loop without putting your life at risk. I don't know, not really clear. But hey it can do 8k gaming! Did ya know that? Huh? And cool RBG! Gotta have the RGB! Did I mention RGB!!
I was wondering if anyone was going to comment on that. Just a little subliminal messaging.
@@vicroc4 same
Not having a drain is such a rookie miss, I did that on my first custom loop as in I missed adding one. That I sure fixed on the second loop I made cause it was a PAIN.
Also again shows why I prefer a clear coolant, just less chance for trouble.
There is a great little ‘hack’ to drain the reservoir. Use a hand crank pump that is normally used to transfer fuel to fuel tanks in model airplanes. :)
He did it the hard way to simulate the strategy of an inexperienced end user 🤣
They make electric ones. For those who don't want to give a waterloop a handjob.
Okay but it's a pre built pc costing 6k, so doing it the way a pre built buyer would after 2 years makes sense from a review perspective
@@lochl2 yes, it was a shtick.
Yeah, the zip ties kill it for me. I'm in IT, at the architect level, but I came up through the ranks starting with telephone technical support. I specialize in IP networking, and zip ties are anathema to the work in my part of the industry. Velcro cable ties, people. It spreads the retention force across a larger area, it doesn't kink the cables, it's safe for use with optical (not likely an issue for PC cable management), and it's _trivially removable and replaceable._ That last is likely the critical one; there are too many adds/moves/changes to a production environment once it goes into its operations/maintenance phase of life cycle, and zip ties mean you have to completely disassemble the bundle to either add, remove, or even properly trace a cable.
Or you get lazy people who just run the cable down the outside of the zip ties then toss a new one on, a couple years later you end up with bundles with like 5 layers of zip ties.
Fook zip ties forever
i think you are just being "elitist" (for the lack of a better word). it's perfectly fine to use zip ties when tidying up cables on a home PC. sure, it's not good for the cables if you tie them up too tight but come on, just don't tie them up too tight! also, how often do people change/add components on their PCs once they're fully built anyways? i would guess not often.
@@ayayahuasca Using zip ties is the most smug elitist thing you can do. More importantly - it’s the most annoying thing you can do.
And don't forget VP approval and coming in at midnight to do a simple change like a removal of one
The fluid buildup is definitely a concern from whatever colorant they've added.
Beyond that though it looks very solid, great job as always GN Team!
Shame Microcenter isn't more readily available for everyone. I had my last machine built there back in 2018 - picked out the parts and then paid them a small fee to put it together. Build quality is pretty good in my opinion. Cable management isn't near the quality of this Origin machine but it is still very well done, or to be more specific a lot better than what I would have done if I had put it together. I will be going back to them for my next build in June.
I had them build my pc about year ago. Very happy with the service.
You don't actually want this kind of cable management. You'd have to cut them all to service this computer.
@@mbvglider yeah, this cable management "looks" nice, but the instant you have to change a fan or replace a pump it becomes a disaster. You have to tear it all apart and then it, and to a prebuilt buyer it would be intimidating and or impossible.... The back of the case does not need to look perfect, that's why it's hidden behind a door.
@@mbvgliderthe whole point of a prebuilt is that nobody will open the computer or swap any parts.
the moment in time when searching for a good prebuilt takes longer than learning how to build your own from tutorials
Seriously... 😆
Alexander PCs is phenomenal in quality and the prices are reasonable.
I paid them 6.5k for a rig, alls I added was an additional storage of 2tb for 200$.
But they give a PC part picker list link so you can compare their price to just building it yourself.
The parts were around 5.2k value I believe.
Sounds like a 1k upcharge right? Nope, that's with shipping AND lifetime warranty factored in.
I swear I remember origin or digital storm wanting to charge hundreds of dollars for just a few year warranty.
I've had my Alexander prebuilt since March this year, and it's been phenomenal. It came with a broken power button, but I can't fault that since that could just be an unfortunate shipping accident.
Not a shill, just thought it would be good to spread word of an actually good prebuilt company.
I love the way you give the companies a chance to correct errors and bad practices. This makes it less adversarial, and more cooperative.
The big wigs don't get their hands dirty with building stuff, but they should know how it works and what are the basics of building a good system for the customer.
11:26 - I don't know if the "Do it right" on the bucket was intentionally faced towards the camera, but this genuinely made me spit my coffee out! Lmao.
It was intentional 😂
For sure intentional and for sure put on the bucket for the shot.
@@bleack8701 I think that’s their slogan 🤣
Reminder: If you live near a Microcenter, you can pick the parts, pay them $150 and they will build it for you. Though, full custom water loops would take that build price up a lot. But you'd still be at least $1,000 a head compared to this system pre-built and without any compromises on parts.
Even not going the build route, the pricing and availability of nearly every component has me wanting to save up and take a day trip from AZ to CA just to get it all done in one trip.
@@Wrigglevision If you decide to go with them building, I think they guarantee same day completion if you order early enough.
I know, none of these tech channels ever mention that option.
5:46 Exactly - I can't tell you how many people I built a system for and this is spot on.. It's expected that if something goes wrong, they contact you.
So yeah I've turned many onto pre-build companies vs my self building it for them.. lol
Yea, the inclusion of "likely to require [re]moving" cables within the same zip-ties as power cables ticks it down from "awesome" to "neat and tidy".
Atleast someone competent build this pc
Whoever built the thing sure did a fabulous job (other than no drain valve), that cable management is insanely good. It's just too bad whoever it got passed on to configure sure wasn't as meticulous.
System assembler doesn't get a say in what goes into it, drain valve is the fault of the designer.
The irony of using a bucket saying "DO IT RIGHT" while draining a loop without a valve did not escape me.
Almost pulled the trigger on one of Corsair's 4k pre-built so glad they went up on the price $300. Now going to have a build done locally best part now can get the 7950x3d.Thanks again for a great job guys.✌ 😉
I have an older Origin Millennium case. I just got done customizing it to have 2 360mm XR7 radiators in both push and pull with EK water blocks for the CPU and ABP for the 3090ti, I mounted an EK Distro plate hard lined it with dual Commander Core Pros and Dual RGB Hubs. I custom Made my own distro plate mount and CCP Mounts swing out SSD Sleds front radiator mount and custom top radiator mount. Some pieces 3D printed and some CNC plasma cut.
I did that kind of cable management once. Then when maintenance happened it was a nightmare. Now I kind of group wires depending on what they are to make it so much easier. It all hidden in the back so it's not pretty but it is functional.
Exactly. It's not worth it the second time
I fail to understand how GN can call this excess of cable tying "great cable management". This gross excess of cable ties is a waste of materials, adds to the cost, and creates a maintenance nightmare.
@CoolCat it does look pretty, now I would only do it like this if the cable side actually showed all the time.
So I got a pre-built from EKWB Fluid Gaming that was on sale because it was "used" for a convention weekend and it was the best purchase I made. It had not only a drain but an extra foot of soft tube and instructions on how to drain.
The sediment in the block was likely radiator gunk. Corsair rads require a very thorough cleaning before use, or the loop ends up with gunk and debris all over. I should know, I own 7 of them. I'm going to assume they didn't prep sufficiently.
I have to redo my cables now on my build from last week, Thanks Steve!
"Back to you Steve"
Amazing build quality. Those cables legit give me nightmares haha. That residue build-up is creepy though for that price..
Loved how it said, "Do It Right" on the bucket as Steve was draining the loop.
The more I see water cooling builds and issue the more I'm happy with sticking to air cooling
I've built custom loops and it is a hobby all in itself. There was a time when you could get a substantial performance increase over air. Now the performance increase is so minor, particularly considering the cost of the loop, I'd say not to do it unless you just want to do it for the hobby aspect. An AIO or good air cooler is more than enough.
The times of getting significantly more performance is gone with current boosting algorithms and auto overclocks. Also noise is much less a problem with todays fans.
A GPU can become much less noisy with deshrouding and just replacing the stock fans with 120mm fans. Good cpu air coolers are mostly inaudible except when ramping up to 2000+ rpm.
In nearly all cases, you are better off investing the money in higher tier components and tweaking some bios settings than building a custom loop.
Custom water cooling is of course still viable for aesthetics and generally as a hobby.
It's all for looks. I prefer AIO's.
I use AIO and no issue.Most AIO come with anti leak tech now.Air cooling good too but the more newer cpus starting to get more powerful and use power which means they get hotter so need good cooler for them.
IMHO, unless you are running something like an XX900k or ks, and will max it out often enough to matter, there is no reason to use water over air.
I decided to use twist ties where I expected I'd have to disassemble cable runs for maintenance. Finding color matched twist ties is no big deal, they look fine, and are easy to remove and reinstall.
Unpopular opinion: zip ties every 3cm is not a good cable management. It's a nightmare to rearrange, especially if you don't have wirecutters and trying to cut them with scissors or knife. Velcro cable ties are so much better for this task.
I don't think that opinion is unpopular at all among DIY builders. Velcro ties are way better for maintenance, you're absolutely right. But these aren't built to be maintained or they'd have drain valves. Remember that this isn't built for someone who is likely to replace or add components.
Nah
Who doesn't own wire cutters? But I do agree velcro is more ideal
@@StandTallTx I doesn't have wire cutters, but I have an angle grinder. So I guess that could work.
@@literallyhuman5990 A blow torch might also do the trick!
The "do it right" bucket while Steve tries not to be crushed my Origins mess of a 7000D PC added to the comedic value substantially
Ive always wondered if the name associated with the pc order influences the quality. Like if your name is actually Steve, Linus, or that of any other prebuild reviewer; would they out of paranoia actually QA the device to make sure its good?
Hahahaha. Imagine the pressure. You'd just constantly be on the lookout for names.
Definitely true if your name is Beve Sturke!
@@RedBeardedRabbit "that damn Beve Sturke is a real PITA" -some aftersales guy, probably
That Lowe's bucket reading "DO IT RIGHT" couldn't be more on point during that loop drain!
I didn’t even know they had a slogan. It’s gonna be in my head every time I do maintenance now😂
Don't ruin the cable management pls 😭
That's how I felt during the tear-down!
Hey Steve, something I wanted to bring up was that just because a part is being supplied between divisions under the same company umbrella does not mean that they are necessarily getting parts at cost or even reduced pricing. I worked for a manufacturing plant that really emphasized independent profitability in each division and not only charged full sales prices across divisions but still required regular contracts etc and would short less lucrative internal contracts for the sake of more lucrative external contracts even when they knew that the other division failing to meet contract deadlines or having to seek other outside suppliers on short notice would end up harming the company overall. I'm not saying it's smart, I'm just saying it does happen.
It looks like all of Origin's watercooling options include a "CORSAIR XF Adapter Drain Valve" - is this new or was this omitted on your build?
I still think the fan curve issue is that it was meant for the liquid temperature sensor instead of the CPU package. At ~13:40 in the previous video you can see that the Quiet preset has the CPU Package selected as the target sensor. If that was changed to the liquid sensor (listed as Command PRO Temp on my computer) I am almost 100% sure that the noise and fan speed issues would be resolved.
If so (very likely), this is still a huge oversight in the build process. It's SO hard to understand how they wouldn't think those constantly revving fans were normal on ANY system. Makes it seem like they really just didn't test it at all or at the very least didn't care.
In case Corsair reads the comments, here is the SKU for the part you need: SKU CX-9055020-WW
You sell it to us for 20 bucks, so it's probably about $3 for you. for another 20 bucks to us, you could put a rotary splitter, and probably make this loop serviceable.
This isn't fast food, profit margins are never that good for PC hardware.
"Do it right" on the bucket at the same time you're talking about not having a drain valve leading to liability while balancing the tower on edge is a sight to behold.
I love the bucket saying "do it right" when you're draining the loop by putting the entire pc on its side (11:37)
When Steve closes that case door, I'm reminded of that old radio show, Inner Sanctum.
Is the common practice now, Corsair case with a paint job? I didn't know Corsair owned Origin, Intresting.
No, it was a custom paint job. We talked about it in the review.
@Gamers Nexus I don't care about the actual review. I'm never buying a pre-built in my life. However it's nice to see the physical builds, particularly when It's the case I have. Also the joy of hearing Steve's voice.
I also don't have a drain valve in my loop, looking at you struggling with that bucket brought back so many recent memories lol.
"Nothing. They all suck!" - yeah, that's my opinion too. My first build was scary but after that, I can't imagine buying a pre-built.
I couldn't imagine not building myself I was the kid taking apart every electronic device in the house. I repaired my own PS1 at age 10 that my dad wouldn't take on. Lol it's in my blood apparently. My work is hands on with electrician and computers as well. Not surprising turnout.
The Hydro X Series XD5 RGB Pump/Reservoir Combo (That is what it looks like you have) Not only has a drain, but an integrated fill port as well. I guess you didn't notice the cover for it on the right side of your tubes. There are 3 ports on the block for a reason. It is interchangeable to route your tubes from that side if needed / wanted. You simply put in a 90degree with a flex hose to drain. It is also capable of a flush without having to remove anything.
I can't imagine recommending anyone I know a prebuilt system. There are way too many straight up scams that makes it hard to justify a prebuilt system. Even if you happen to find a good deal on what looks like a decent prebuild you're only encouraging them to fall into future traps. I've built PCs for family and friends for 15+ years and never had a problem.
>I can't imagine recommending anyone I know a prebuilt system
So what do you tell them when they ask you what they should buy?
I just tell them I haven't been keeping up lately and they should walk into Microcenter and tell the nice person their budget and let them recommend something
@@MikeDawson1Assuming they're my friends, I go with just helping them, along with a waiver that I'm not responsible for their stuff post-build.
I try to only keep decent people as actual friends, so no one bothers me about it. I don't help people with PCs that I don't trust not to be b****s about it later- and they don't make my friend list in the first place.
If it was my boss or some such... they can go take a hike (JK), but more seriously, I'd shrug and chances are suggest a laptop and a dock (they're really what most people need).
The cable management is really well done!
As someone myself building in a 7000D case, getting the inside cable shroud door frame is quite the challenge
Except they used zip ties on 'user service' parts. Never use zip ties when velcro exists.
Seems Origin has no clue what a drain valve is and don't include it in six grand build.
Steve, Great tear down, thanks for the info, but You need a funnel with a hose! To drain that loop a funnel with a hose would have let you do pretty much what you did but for like $5 in parts you would have likely saved half your time. Another idea, You could have broken the loop the in one place, then pumped air in. I blow my loops clear, but I am pretty sure I have seen you pull out a little hand pump at least once.
They should really use some Krytox 205 in those hinges ...
Idk what that is but it sounds sick.
@@christophermullins7163 it’s switch grease, when you build your own keyboards.
@@mikemoore5270 it is originally designed as a lubricant for moving parts in a car interior.
So plastics and metals. To make them not rattle.
@@philipp594 I did not know that 😬 thank you friend
@@mikemoore5270 You are welcome =D
I don't think I have ever heard you compliment someone's work so wholeheartedly. If i was the person who built and or cable managed this I'd be ecstatic haha.
Whomever did the cable management needs a pay rise at the very least, what he/she has done is damn good.
You don't know what they make already.. that $6600 going somewhere lol
@@christophermullins7163 It's not going to the low level employees who actually do all the work. It's going to executives. Is this your first time experiencing capitalism?
Its certainly great work for a computer. Perfect would be if some cables wouldnt cross over others in a few places. "All perfectly straight side by side!" is what my old teacher required us to do some 25 years ago for wiring jobs in control and switching cabinets. We hated his pedantry because in production nobody demanded this level of accuracy for obvious reasons. 😮💨
@@mjc0961 Tell me you've never worked a job that requires a skillset without telling me you've never worked a job that requires a skillset.
@@christophermullins7163 lmao you think it's going to the people assembling it
Got to give Steve props for one handing that 7000d case, while holding a bucket, I have that case it’s pretty heavy
Eh, the build quality wasn’t great overall. The paint was problematic, the side panel had issues, and the fluid is clogging the loop after a very short period. The cable management was done well, and the hard lines were run decently. But no easy way to drain a clogging system means that’ll be a very expensive paperweight for a lot of customers in a few years.
I don't understand why builders and AIO manufacturers don't use a waterless coolant. Like Evans (that's the brand name). It's a superior coolant. Cost maybe?
@@RANDOMNATION907 in this case it’s not about the fluid, it’s the dye. Not sure “waterless” would solve the issue.
When you removed the seals and started draining the coolant, man I had mega anxiety, have a watercooled build and home and done a few times, never gets me less anxious 😂.
I have to say, the "do it right" on the bucket is a nice touch when draining the loop.
So, coming at this from someone who works as a repair technician for a major tech company who sells primarily phones and laptops, I have complete control of the hardware when something comes in my desk for repair, meaning I can turn every screw and fix every cable as neatly as I can, but when it comes to software, I can only hand it off and let whoever is next in the repair line do their job. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a similar thing, they have an OS they just flash on the system and then ship it after a brief QA check.
Hey Steve, bring in a can of charcoal lighter fluid for removing thermal paste, it will melt it off faster than you might expect and you'll get a cleaner surface.
I agree about being too meticulous with cable management can be detrimental. I used to be too meticulous but if I needed to change a cable or add more cables it would be a nightmare. I did away with ties and only use velcro for management and also I give the cables some slack so the can move and squish if for example they’re against the back door or if I need to do some other work. Doesn’t look as pretty but it’s functional management, the front will remain clean and it won’t be seen anyways if done correctly.
SUGGESTION: Steve, instead of trying to old the bucket up to the PC, why not get a funnel and a length of tubing to catch the fluid and direct it down to the bucket. It doesn't excuse Corsair's forgetting to include drain and refill options on the case, but it's a less messy approach to draining water loops in general.
"We're impressed." - Steve
Thats all we needed, thank you for your time.
2 years ago i bought a prebuilt from ABS, 3080 strix, 10850k, It has been great in every aspect and id love to see you guys give them a go.
They already did a prebuld from ABS
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Great vid! This was a very unwise move on their part not including a drain valve. I actually purchased their Genesis Full Tower PC case (back in 2016), and custom built it on my own. Still have the case and don't have issues draining my system. I made sure to think that through very carefully, because of videos like this. Again, great vid!
Love the "do it roght" bucket as steve mentions how to convince origin of a need for a drain valve.
Removing the 6 excess fans would be a good start
These pre-built videos are always fun to watch
I love how the bucket in giant print says "Do It Right"
It's awesome that you did this so gives people in what too look for !
I bought a custom hard loop beast from Ironside for just over 7 grand and they put in a drain valve. Thank God!
Draining that was absolutely brutal hey! And undue stress put on fittings and other parts.
I recommend Recom computers in the Bay Area. Guy has been doing it for 30 years. Charges between $155 and $225 depending on specs. He has built thousands of these, with excellent build quality.
The grey hair and grey beard is looking good on Steve, kudos to him for keeping it natural.
I'd actually like to see a series where you personally make the improvements you want in your prebuilts.
I'd really like to see you guys do a review of one of PowerGPUs pre-built PCs. They build some of the most beautiful machines I've seen.
It's funny the 180 my view on this machine is... personally... stuff i can fix in software is easy... the fact the hardware is done well is a huge win to me and i'd be okay with having bought this machine.
Great way to start off the morning
As someone who manages data centers for a living, that cable management pleases my OCD. A service nightmare, but as long as you don't need to mod it, it's beautiful.
I don't mind paying a premium price for a pre-built, but premium price demands premium quality across the board and I'm just not seeing that with any consistency with any pre-builds. If I'm going to have to fix anything on it, I might as well built it myself and pocket the difference.
I love how the bucket has the phrase "do it right"
There is just something amusing about that shot of draining the system into the bucket
Would like to see an airflow analysis. Like those smoky wind tunnels with different coloured smoke.
Why is the cooling liquid red? It probably doesnt matter, I know it looks cool, but couldn't adding some kind of dye affect the loop?
The Lowe’s bucket is the cherry on top.
Another classic gn prebuild video, keep it up boys
LTT should sell cable ties to Origin to use for just above cost. It would be great synergy for them both, and probably a pleasant surprise for many, while reducing single use plastics and making any maintenance easier with no need to keep buying zip ties every time you change something.
17:20 but what's the purpose of the door, anyway? It adds weight, takes up a bit of space, and doesn't benefit either the looks or the functionally. Unless I'm missing something. It even gets in your way or blocks your light sometimes while working on it. Nobody else can see the door and it doesn't hold the cables in place because it's not secured.
Mayhaps you need to invest in a siphon pump for when you get prebuilds like this. They are fairly cheap at under 100$ for a fairly good electric one.
Funny you mentioned ABS I had to send several in a row back before getting one that was damaged but worked for a friend who wanted a prebuilt for a wedding gift. First was the wrong build in the right box, second had a damaged (wouldn't boot) and unconnected GPU and fans, third worked fine but the liquid cooler on the CPU was scratched and marred bad but we kept it anyway to make the wedding on time. As for Corsair I had to RMA a icue Nexus screen, two LC100 panel sets and two sets of DDR5 ram sets that was all bad in just a four month period. Even had the Corsair support start an argument with me and basically tell me he was overworked and taking his off time to fix my issues and I had no clue what I was talking about in regards to the damaged ram set after weeks of back and forth testing he had me do and I had to get his supervisor to step in by reaching out on Reddit. Funny though the new ram set worked fine after he implied it was my system (on an about 8k-10k, lost count, self build) and not their ram. Both those companies are now on my stay away list for 2023 till QC improves. All self builds from now on.
This is amazing. I want to see Maingear next! I heard they've been one of the best prebuilts so far.
The easiest way to get rid of all the coolant on a system like that without a drain valve is to use a wet-dry shop-vac. Works great for home plumbing, car cooling systems and everywhere else I've tried it.
for what it's worth I was able to acquire a open box skytech for only $1800 with a 3080 and a 3900X back in May of last year. Gpu power cable wasn't fully seated and i suspect that's why i got the deal lol
Just got my order for the disappointed pc t-shirt of 2022. Thank you very much! I got a shirt for LTX 2023 now.
You all are probably aware of this but for maintenance on hard tubing I find it a lot easier to just turn the rotaries instead of pulling the hard tubing out of the fitting while everything is in place.
I used to work for cyberpower and their service division the way we would empty Hardline tubing setups would be flipping the entire machine upside down and draining the fill port