automotive ac system evacuation very easy cheap tutorial
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2012
- guys all you need to evacuate your ac system is what you see in the video. dont pay someone 75 dollars to do this. this is as easy as it gets. dont go buy a fancy ac evacuation system and a bunch of guages. this is all you need. please donate to my paypal for trucking school. trying to raise enough to attend trucking school and take you along for the ride. paypal address dean.digeorge@gmail.com
I am the frugal diy king and this is one of greatest vids ive ever seen.
"You take a hacksaw"... *stops video and looks for the next one*
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I came straight to comments after he said hack saw😅
Usually hack saw the pump from harbor freight. Not your system
Poor bastard cant afford a hack saw
Isn't evacuating freon to the open air against U.S. Federal Law ?
A 1980's GM shop manual for a R4 compressor says to evacuate to 28 to 29" of mercury. An auto's compressor is not hermetically sealed like a refrigerator or central AC units compressor. The shaft seal on a car's compressor may not allow a super deep vacuum like 200 to 500 microns like a houses AC compressor.
Got to Auto zone and they'll let you borrow an evacuation pump for a 150 dollar deposit that you'll get back when you return the pump. Go to harbor freight tools and get an ac manifold guage set for around 50 dollars. This gives you the ability to vacuum the low and the high side. When it is evacuated turn it off for 30 minutes like he did in the video and if it holds a vacuum there are no leaks. I say there are no leaks, but theres a good chance your schrader valves are leaking and it won't show up because your pump hoses are sealing them off, so just replace the high and low side ports before you do anything. they screw in and are only a few dollars. Then close the high side and add the refrigerant through the low side. Get you a can tap that will hook to the yellow hose in the middle.
That sums it up.
That is to the T exactly what I did
Could only make it half way thru the vid, between the 50 times he says harbor freight and hacksaw with no information i lost interest.
If you go to Harbor freight and look at the vaccuum, you'll immediately know what he's talking about (if you're even 1% mechanically inclined) that's what I did at least
You never draw down a system while still charged with refrigerant. The vacuum pump is only used to remove moisture and aid in leak testing before charging.
You can evacuate a system with a vacuum pump no problem... It's vents as a gas out of the pump and into the atmosphere. Now some people say this is illegal but it is NOT illegal if it is your personal car and you are not licensed by the EPA to do AC work on a commercial level. Now whether or not it's good for the atmosphere we can debate that but people have broken AC and AC leaks all day every day and where does it go? Atmosphere. That's why the EPA forced car makers to switch to r134a refrigerant because it has very little if any effect on the atmosphere. But if you do do it yourself I recommend turning the pump on in a very well ventilated area.
My point is it's not being contained. There's absolutely no benefit. You may as well just crack a line and let it vent.
+Casey Allum that's true.. You can but it is a little more controlled through a vacuum pump and a set of manifold gauges. You can crack a line but it is under high pressure .. Don't want a bolt to go flying in your face etc etc
What bolt? It's a Schrader valve lol. The benefit is removing all the air and moisture that will ruin your ac system. Do you people even google before you comment, or do you just ASSUME you know everything?
I used the jar vacuum hose on my foodsaver vacuum food sealer with a hose adaptor and an old a/c filler hose(yellow one) pulled 500 microns in about 2 minutes.
Got to give something a go. Y NOT!
Thank you.for sharing.
cool idea I will do that
The end you hacked off fits perfectly fine into a proper gauge set's supply/evacuate (yellow) line.
The right tools for the job means everything.
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Hahahaha, funniest shit I've seen on RUclips yet! This is how NOT to evacuate an AC system.
so how do you evacuate the AC system in a car?
Use a hacksaw. YEAH!
great video
Cool, I dont need to buy a pump, can use my air compressor, Thanks Bro!
if u buy a 3 hose manifold the yellow hose will screw right on the pump u have . i know this becuse i own one of those pumps . and with the right tool u can suck down both the low and high side at the same time.
you should make a video of this
@@digitalme4404 There are videos of what he's describing. Search for Vaccum an AC system
Did you cut the end off with a hacksaw?
The reason the tool has that extra nipple on the fitting is because the yellow line or third line that goes with the manifold gagues(which you are supposed to be using to tell how much vacuum you are pulling) is supposed to go on the side you so willfully butchered. Oh, yeah...DO check for leaks...How much does some soapy water and an old spray bottle cost? Probably less than a can a month! Nice job on the info, though! Keep up the good work.
Thanks bro
You do know that the fitting sitting above that one is the one you needed lol now you have to of the same entry port
The "grey area" real issue to ponder is a "Venturi air operated vacuum pump" pulls a lessor vacuum than a displacement type HVAC vacuum pump. More moisture remains in the system when a lessor pump is used.
What this means is less moisture is removed and a greater "chance" exists that the filter dryer will fill up quicker and /or the expansion valve will freeze and thus no cooling. If a new dryer was installed the sin of using the lessor vacuum is hidden for awhile or a long time.
But on the flip side Folks have used these lower cost Venturi vacuum "pumps" in cars AC stuff eons ago too with no issues. It is a lessor tool thus results do vary. I think the "dont drink out a garden hose and always wear a bicycle helmet" folks are bothered that a 2 stage 400 buck high end HVAC vacuum pump was not used. :)
Harbor Freight's 96677 Specs say "Vacuum level: 28.3" of mercury at sea level
Air consumption: 4.2 CFM @ 90 PSI" . Old Sun Equipment made one of these venturi-type affairs 50 years ago to. Air-Vac makes "Air powered vacuum pumps" and they state up to 28 inches of mercury vacuum. The Robinair / Mastercool's 91200 "air operated light duty vacuum pump" was R12 and R134a fittings as states 29" mercury at 4.5 cfm 90psi air flow.
There are folks who have used another cars AC compressor to "pull down" and pull a vacuum to pull out moisture too. An old buddy of mine did that with two 1971 Ford Pintos.
One of my folks old cars had an aftermarket AC added and the installer used a Sun Equipment venturi-type deal just like the HF clone one in this video. It lasted the life of the car.
The vacuum level in the venturi-type pump is less than a displacement pump. It often will not even read on a HVAC micron vacuum gage.
Eons ago many more folks used these venturi type " vacuum pumps" in auto AC work. Like a 1960's movie seen today folks can yell that kids did not wear helmets, drank out of garden hoses, used dial phones?
As an aside before the EPA rules started in the early 1990's AC repair folks used the terms "evacuate" or "pull a vacuum" to mean one used a vacuum pump to remove the moisture from the AC system in the automobile before one added R12. There were no recovery devices. R12 was as low as 45 cents a can eons ago at Kmart. Kids had BB machine guns powered by a 12oz R12 Freon can.
In cars R12 was replaced by R134a and now some cars have R1234yf. This newer refrigerant has no or little GWP (global warming potential)
It works fine with the manifold gauge
Maybe a dumb question but where does the refrigerant go? I need to evacuate my system to work on my motor
Where does the reclaimed refrigerant go? I don't see a recovery bottle.
HI HOW DOES THE COMPRESSOR REVERSE THE FREON WHERE DOES IT GO
That's because the can threads are not the same as r134a gauge hose threads. The fitting is correct for proper use with a manifold gauge set.
also this system is designed to work with a manifold Guage and you can not properly vacuum down a system without pulling vacuum on high side too.
Glad you made this video. Helped me out. Thanks
Talk about a hack job! You do it good, confuse everyone.
i got lead here looking for the difference between "evacuating & vacuuming" the system....there are so many using these interchangeably though....but there are others using them mutually exclusive of one another....so which is it? Mainly, i want to see if i can just get away using a vacuum pump since my gas is already low/seeped out most the way.
You can use an air compressor to power the R134a Air Vacuum Pump (Harbour Freight) connected to a cheap A/C R134A Manifold Gauge Set (Amazon) to first safely and controllably evacuate your vehicle AC system, without containment, and then continuing to vacuum any remaining contaminants such as moisture and air and also checking for any leaks.
I tried to Google the definition of the word "clueless" and it gave me a link to this video. WTF????
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It's quite creative actually:)
Now if you want to evacuate 134A, where the refrigerant evacuation tank is at? :)
Atmosphere. You can do it that way. It'll vent as a gas and not a fluid so the pump is sufficient. Now this may be "controversial" to some(certainly not illegal) but they can kiss my ass lol
@@topherd1011 Yes it is illegal to evacuate refrigerant into the air. It destroys the Ozone layer.
@@agri-lifeorganicfarm2466 Commercial mechanics and AC techs need to be certified with a proper 609 Environmental Protection License to work with R134a. Yes, it's illegal for them to evacuate without proper equipment, NOT for the non-commercial home DIY'er. R-134a does not destroy the Ozone and is rated as an A1 on the ASHRAE‘s safety rating scale. The A stands for the product not being toxic or harmful. The 1 stands for no hint of flame propagation. This is a very safe refrigerant that does not destroy the Ozone. The EPA lists R134a as no Ozone Depletion Potential but it is still listed as a Greenhouse Gas that contributes to Global Warming. Perhaps you should do your own research and stop perpetuating the Woke Green propaganda.
Sounds like, without seeing it, the extended piece he cut off was probably an R12 fitting, as the inner piece is R134a. The two fittings are totally different size and thread types.
But then, the other side of the "T" fitting maybe is for R12, don't know as we cannot see it.
If R134 is "not dangerous" why does EPA care whether it is evacuated into the atmosphere? I was wondering why Dean didn't connect his concoction to the car's system. Plausible deniability, perhaps?
the vacuum boils off moisture that could be in the system...
How big of a compressor do you need to do this at home? All I have is a 3 gallon pancake compressor. Wondering if that would create enough vacuum.
sure it will.... But you'll need to hacksaw off the power cord first. Remember safety first!!
And then where does the old freon go? Into the air compressor?
But that only evacuates the low side, right?
That unit is for evacuating moisture and air from the system, not the refrigerant. Where does the refrigerant go when you suck it out? It goes inside that thing?
I wish that somebody would make a video that would demonstrate how to
ethically remove the gas/oil from the system...maybe use a makeshift
tank like an empty propane tank???? I'm working on my truck and want to
replace the rotted condenser.
Or maybe just buy an empty reclaim tank from amazon?
Evacuation is about reclamation. If someone wanted to just evacuate the system they could just push the shrader valve and let the coolant go ijnto the atmosphere. This is a hap-hazard way to service your A/C system. I would advise a manifold at the least.
Where isthe line to evacuate the freon and the container?
In the next video about how to recharge but we are not going to see how to connect one or two out of three hoses?
so where is the volume of displacement? where's it exit to and into what?
Can you reclaim the refrigerant with this unit?
No. It will escape.
lol that pump is made to work with the manifold gage set not that little hack gage that is made to fit a 12 oz Freon can, for around 50 dollars you can get a gage set at harbor freight
Kevin Simpkins $54.99
+Chas S Fuck.
The vid is for cheap ways to fix, for ppl that don't got 20 bucks to their name
I'm in the middle of this job, right now and just as frustrated any other guy below cussing up a storm. You're not doing your boy any good talking like that. It takes a mature man to relax for a minute, go in side and have a drink. Then regain yourself and do the job right. That's what grandpa (steelworker, miner, fireman, blue-collar forever) always said. If you do a job, you do it right. Tomorrow's another day. Get a tank or take it in, be a man about it.
I jb welded a r134 can tap on to the intake of an old compressor maybe I can use it to reclaim the Freon haha
Look, the idea is removing the moisture and atmospheric air from and AC system before charging with 134 (or whatever). Atmospherically speaking, 134 is not dangerous, that was the point of going to it from the freon gasses which were detrimental. Yes, he did butcher the fittings, but oh well, his choice... he should be using proper gauges and hoses, but honestly, a compressor driven vacuum pump is not going to put more than 2-4 negative pounds on the system anyways.
thanks for the video ... how do you reuse / put back into the system, the r134 after you have removed it ...
And.... the Academy award for making an entire video completely out of focus goes to....
how can that cheap gauge he used give a negative pressure reading? it cant
If you release freon or 134 into the atmosphere you WILL GET HAIRY PALMS!!
It’s made to huck up to a set of ac Gauges cheap that you’re using
How do you turn AC on without turning the car on?
Thanks bro doing this at my shop now and so is everyone else that I know that has a shop its really busy this time of year freon in the ozone is ok China does it and people are saving a lot of money there so can we in the good old usa not taking it to the so called experts good Job BRAVO Thumbs up hats off
Are you DUI?
This is an old video are you still monitoring I have a question
Dude, where's the tank that you're pumping the R134a into?????
That's EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!! WTF???
If you're evacuating the system it is likely empty.
60 bucks an hour versus violating epa regulation to have some dude evacuate your cars air conditioner that has no business dealing with refrigerant. Violating epa regulations is expensive. No epa cert equals huge fine. Sorry dean dont know if you are certified. If you are strike my comments from the record.
Shut up old man, nobody is gonna tell me what to do with MY car. No taxes no payment, title in my name. If I want to do my own work i will bud.
Ussy
Oh no... What if the EPA regulation police show up?
Air Vacuum Pump with R134A and R12 Connectors
If only he had unscrewed the other cover he would have found the R134A connector.
Now he can't work on the old R12 systems
if your vehicle doesnt have freeon do you vacumm it?
yes
You want to get rid of any air or moisture trapped in the lines.
Where does the freon being removed go ?
He is obviously blowing dirty moisture contaminated air through the low side through the system out through his manifold and out his yellow hose into the air. Completely illegal.
@@agri-lifeorganicfarm2466 Commercial mechanics and AC techs need to be certified with a proper 609 Environmental Protection License to work with R134a. Yes, it's illegal for them to evacuate without proper equipment, NOT for the non-commercial home DIY'er. R-134a does not destroy the Ozone and is rated as an A1 on the ASHRAE‘s safety rating scale. The A stands for the product not being toxic or harmful. The 1 stands for no hint of flame propagation. This is a very safe refrigerant that does not destroy the Ozone. The EPA lists R134a as no Ozone Depletion Potential but it is still listed as a Greenhouse Gas that contributes to Global Warming. Perhaps you should do your own research and stop perpetuating the Woke Green propaganda.
LOL all this does is release the r134 into the air thru the air compressor exhaust. Might as well just hook onebend of a hose up and let all that shit out.
what air compressor ? does air compressor blow out air not suck in ? i dont get it
I don't either, but that's just how it works. Same with creating vacuum on a cooling system. I don't understand, I just follow instructions and watch it work for me lol
Josh S kool
The venturi effect.
There $16.00 now
O.K. You go out to the yard and need to pull a used A/C compressor. If it's illegal or damaging to let R134 go into the air without proper recovery, why do they let you pull compressors ? I see people cutting hoses and letting it go into the air all the time out there. Salvage yards don't evacuate A/C systems, only fuel tanks. Maybe depends on the state. Doesn't make sense, you have to, to get it. Any TRUE answers ?
Many take all fluids out of the vehicle including refrigerant. Don't know the laws on this, but Pick-n-Pull for one does this.
They have retro fittings......
and remember..you gotta use a hacksaw
as to all the comments below; I think you've sorely missed the point which I believe was how to do this on the dirty cheap without spending $$$ on the "right" tools
Now as to the camera focus; Different story entirely
Water boils at 29 lbs that will only vacuum not get the water.
where does the old r134a go?
Joey Banks shhh
On the thistle patch.
Compressor puts air in,confused,want to vacuum system not air it out
I'll never get those 7 minutes back. Cut it off with a hacksaw haha. Useless
you need very powerful air compressor. It will not work with a conventional one.
Not true
you could have at least put the name/model or link to that orange device, because im clueless wtf is it and where to get it. all of this looks more expensive than paying someone 70$ to do it. but im watching the video because i cant find anyone who will do it for 70 or even a 100
Maybe with the money you save by servicing your own A/C, you can BUY A FUCKING TRIPOD!!
So where does the gas that is recovered go?
pete garssia they use it to cool government offices and they also breath it in the offices, considering how crazy those in the government act maybe they are onto something.. it may be possible that's it's not a good gas lol...
They load it onto jets and blow it out the engines as contrails !......LMAO!
Backwoods yokel
its call vacuuming air out ac system not evacuating freon out of the system
You can do both at once with a vacuum pump and a set of gauges.
Hello
can someone explain how this works? where does the freon that you are removing go? This video is poorly made
It vents as a gas through the vacuum pump and into the atmosphere.
no
Do not destroy your air Vacuum Pump. Buy the proper gauges & follow directions. This guy is a NUT!
I see that 143 people gave this the thumb up, that's 143 idiots, all happy to release freon into the atmosphere.
All the 131,695 people watching the video can all afford to loose a can of R123 into the environment per month !!!
If nothing else, video should be taken down for that reason alone.
R134a is approved by the EPA... Where do you think this shit goes when you have a leak? Exactly.
Tuesday June 2,2020 , looking in RUclips how to fix my over charge ac on my car, having a bad day , wondering and sad that I over filled with ac oil and freon , sad! . And boom this work manship of a how to video just made my night . Ps. Going to harbor freight tomorrow , coronavirus is real and peace on earth.
Thats no evacuated the freon though
Its only a vacum
dam dude sit through this while video and still have no idea how a blowing air compressor and can create a vacuum through that tool.
Look up the Bernoulli Effect :)
Also, look up venturi vacuums
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If you are smart, you will not listen to this guy.
How the fuck does it "EVACUATE" the system when you are forcing air in with no release points? lmao
not so great video, please pull it from your library. bad info guy. im sure you meant well.
I stopped listening to you when you said "you take a hacksaw ..." for the THIRD TIME. Holy crap man, get to the frickin point.
Ok so I buy this, then I cut this thing off then I gotta buy this other thing. WTF? The gauge hes using is a very cheap gauge that doesn't read vaccum. Then he says don't look for leaks, u can afford a can a month? Fuck that buddy.If anyone followed your steps, I feel dab for them. DAMN SHAME
the difference between evacuation and vacuum what he is showing here is a vacuum pump not an evacuation system if you have freon in the system you are required by law to have it recovered by using a proper evacuation system once all the freon is out then you use this system to remove the atmosphere from the system air/moisture ect. DON'T RELEASE FREON INTO THE AIR. even though 134a is better for the environment it's still not ok to release it into the air.
It's not true. That's such propaganda. I have CALLED the EPA to ask them. I used to believe you could be punished because I listened to uninformed people like yourself for so many years! If you're not licensed by the EPA to do AC work on a commercial level you are NOT under the authority of the EPA. Basically if you weren't certified by them you cannot be punished or fined. You can do whatever the hell you want on your own car! And think about this.. When people have a leaking or empty AC system... Where did it go? Atmosphere. But you don't see the EPA handing out fines for it neither. Simply put if you are a DIY on your own personal vehicle you are fine to just hook up a vacuum pump and discharge it in the atmosphere. I DONT recommend that you breathe anywhere near it while it's doing so.
+CDubs HasIt it's all about what you do and don't have control over no they don't give fines to people whose AC lines bust just like it's illegal to dump antifreeze on the ground but if you have a hose bust that something you have no control over but you do have control over if you drain the antifreeze or freon where you put it and what you do with it.
Weird. Because here's the text from the actual law (www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2015-title40-vol18/xml/CFR-2015-title40-vol18-part82-subpartF.xml):
"This subpart applies to any person servicing, maintaining, or repairing appliances. This subpart also applies to persons disposing of appliances, including small appliances and motor vehicle air conditioners. In addition, this subpart applies to refrigerant reclaimers, technician certifying programs, appliance owners and operators, manufacturers of appliances, manufacturers of recycling and recovery equipment, approved recycling and recovery equipment testing organizations, persons selling class I or class II refrigerants or offering class I or class II refrigerants for sale, and persons purchasing class I or class II refrigerants."
"(a)(1) No person maintaining, servicing, repairing, or disposing of appliances may knowingly vent or otherwise release into the environment any refrigerant or substitute from such appliances, with the exception of the following substitutes in the following end-uses:" (List that doesn't include what we're talking about)
"(2) The knowing release of a refrigerant or non-exempt substitute subsequent to its recovery from an appliance shall be considered a violation of this prohibition. De minimis releases associated with good faith attempts to recycle or recover refrigerants or non-exempt substitutes are not subject to this prohibition."
Maybe they don't enforce it though. Or maybe you talked to someone who doesn't know shit because they work at a call center.
+godholio www.epa.gov/section608/refrigerant-sales-restriction and it makes absolutely no mention of r134a.. Just r22 and r12... Call them.. They'll tell you ..
That deals with SALES. Which is a completely different topic.
I am so confused.
your channel is called "Fix It Right First" but you haven't done a single "right" thing in this video, in fact this video should be called "Everything NOT to do to fix your AC"
All this talk about not releasing r134a into the atmosphere; I have a few thoughts: r134 is probably not as bad as r12 when released, but it's probably still not good. I'd try to have it recovered if it were feasible. I mean, why not? It's probably cheap to just take it down to the shop and have it done, right? NOT!!! Now, I only got one quote (Jiffy Lube) because it's the weekend and nobody is open, but I was quoted $160 for an evac and recovery. I quickly left before they could sneak under my hood and show me my air filter. My gripe is not that Jiffy Lube is charging this much. It may very well cost them that much to do it. My issue is that there is not a program which offsets this cost to make it more affordable for your common DIYer. It is my opinion that there should be no charge for taking a vehicle to a shop for refrigerant recovery. The cost to the shop should be offset by a taxpayer funded program. But, apparently the taxpayer doesn't care enough about this issue for it to bubble up to the surface, or it's just not a large enough problem to set up this kind of program. Either way, $160 is enough money to wipe away pretty much all of my guilt as I release my system into the atmosphere. This is a Darwin issue; It's not my fault (by way of votes) if we haven't figured out how to get DIYers to maintain AC systems responsibly.
Exactly this. You want people to do the right thing? Make it easier for them than doing the wrong thing. Your guilt explanation hit the nail on the head. Sadly, my feelings exactly.
Well said. It is very expensive for Commercial mechanics and AC techs that are certified with a 609 Environmental Protection License to evacuate R134a due to the very expensive EPA required Evac equipment. Yes, it's illegal for them to evacuate without proper equipment, NOT for the non-commercial home DIY'er. R-134a does not destroy the Ozone and is rated as an A1 on the ASHRAE‘s safety rating scale. The A stands for the product not being toxic or harmful. The 1 stands for no hint of flame propagation. This is a very safe refrigerant that does not destroy the Ozone. The EPA lists R134a as no Ozone Depletion Potential but it is still listed as a Greenhouse Gas that contributes to Global Warming.
Your video literally has nothing to do with evacuating the system like it claims it does. I got shit to do man thanks for wasting my time
DA
This video is so wrong, what about the high side evacuation? The yellow hose on a gauge set fits the connector on that pump. A set of gauges new is about $50 and you have them forever. AC jobs done right saves you costly repairs later and it will cost you later.
Evacuating a system and pulling a vacuum are not the same thing. You are describing pulling a vacuum once all repairs are done and you're ready to recharge. Evacuation is the FIRST step: safely recovering the refrigerant. It is illegal to vent R134a into the atmosphere. While it is not ozone depleting, it IS a greenhouse gas.
For those seeking to pull a vacuum, you don't need that cheap vacuum pump. Auto Zone lends AC gauges and REAL vacuum pumps.
Theguywithanswer82 My auto zone in Oklahoma just let me borrow an evacuation pump. I had to buy the manifold gauges that it hooks up to though. You give them a deposit of 150 bucks and they'll let you borrow it. Bring it back and you get your moolah back or if you want to keep the pump you can and let them keep the 150.
Yes, auto zone lends tools, they were one of, if not the first to run a tool lending program.
To much back ground noise to understand what he is saying, and the video is as clear as muddy water.
Some people should not own a vehicle.