Stormtrooper - German Special Forces of WW1 I THE GREAT WAR Special
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- The German Stormtroops or Sturmbattalions were elite infantry soldiers hand picked to overcome enemy trenches. These men were the creme de la creme of the German Army consisting of Jäger, Pioneer and Mountain troops at first and later on specifically trained in infiltration tactics. They brought changes in the chain of command with them and were the predecessor of modern warfare as we know it.
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I spent eight years in the US Army as a light infantryman and I can say from experience that a First World War German stormtrooper would integrate almost seamlessly into a modern infantry platoon; baring the language barrier. The tactics at that close.
The narrator also says that in the video. Does it mean that all infantry are like stormtroopers nowadays?
@@kishanchali8752 I suppose you could say that.
I cant imagine you ever actually used those tactics. Since taliban and vietkong used guerrilla warfare.
Lol My great grandfather on my father side was in the army I think he joined right after or during World War I (well was forced to join or be put in prison) was stationed in the Philippines and then fought in World War II and I think Korea I never met the man but apparently he used to say that when a war started and all the conscripts and people that join to fight the war came, all of the career soldiers would suddenly become NCOs overnight because they didn’t have time to to fully train everybody, they also wouldn’t equip them as well because they didn’t want them to just die and lose the equipment they gave them 😂
Chinga su Madre, the Mexican marines are ready for spearhead tactics(Blitzkrieg).
I can't believe that in 2 months 100 years ago my great grandfather would have been fighting tooth and nail at the Somme...
Same
+Rebecca Chitoile
the somme is comming!!!
On which side he fought?
+Steven Britain
+Steven 1st Welsh Division.
Those guys sound terrifying
Danox94 i
If you saw them smashing their way through your trench, anyone would be terrified.
Not for Marsco
They didnt last too long
absolutely love this channel, World War 1 never gets as much attention as World War 2 does
Thanks!
agreed
Darth Porkins I think that’s just because many of those who lived during it were already gone by the time most of us were born. In my generation anyway, most of us had grandparents who were still alive who fought in or were involved in WWII in some way.
Kitana Kojima Also because World War II killed Six times as many people as World War I
People prefer the sequel, more black and white
The energy of the show kept me coming back while Battlefield 1 was out. I would actually splurge listening to this whole playing the game.
If you are interested in war at all, let alone WWI and German Stormtroopers, read Ernst Junger's 'Storm of Steel'. I read that book in less than a week. It is a brilliant account of what it was like to be a German storm trooper in WWI. Junger is also one of the finest literary authors of the 20th Century so it checks a lot of boxes
My great grandfather was a stormtrooper at the battle if the somme, i believe he was wounded.(he also later helped design the ju87 stuka)
i forgot to say that he was awarded the iron cross, and my great great uncle was killed on the last day of the war
Stossstrup I love your profile pic!
warlockmasterrace
middleagedbulldog yes my brother
respect. my Great Grandfather was also injured in the Somme but fighting as a British Tommy
Of course Stormtroopers prefered the Mauser C96. If you have a very poor aim, at least you want to shoot first.
+Kek Man no they cant aim
Unlike those other "Imperial Stormtroopers" who can't hit the broad side of a Death Star.
***** at least there was... no disintegration.
+Fox Mulder but not the Jawas. Boba only killed Luke's aunt and uncle, and Vader makes the stress of "no disintegration"because that is what he did to them. Boba wasn't at all subtle, whereas the Stormtroopers tried to make it look like a Tusken Raider attack.
On a darker note my phone kept autocorrecting Jawas to Jews.
I like this comment.
The Allies had the tank and the Germans had highly specialized infantry units. Ironically, Germany would later use both to smash the Polish, French, British and early Soviet forces during WW2, despite having very little experience with tanks. The Allies on the other hand didn't use their tank and infantry forces effectively for a large portion of the war. The Germans on the other hand applied the tactics of the Stormtroopers to their tank arm, which allowed it to move independently from infantry forces and smash through opposing lines with concentrated attacks. It took the Allies quite a lot of time to come to grips with this tactic.
Pretty much the Stormtroopers and the early Panzer divisions in World War 2 combination coined the term "Blitzkrieg" to this day.
More that they guessed wrong in 1940. While the German use of armor made their army more flexible, what enabled the rapid advance of 1940 was that Gamelin expected the main German thrust to repeat the Schlieffen Plan and then committed everything to it. This meant the Allies had no reserves to commit should the Germans do something else. So when the German armies went through the Ardennes, there was nothing really slow them to set up a counter-attack. Everything had been staked on a battle in northern Belgium...
Had the Germans gone through northern Belgium as was expected, it is likely that the Allies probably would have won, as shown by actions at Hannut where the French did get the sort of tactical scenario they wanted. A head on clash of tanks where the more heavily armored and armed French tanks could just hammer away at the Germans...
Or, had Gamelin kept his main reserves at Rheims rather than committing them to the northern Belgium, he would have had strong forces that could have countered the thrust through the Ardennes and allowed the main part of the Allied army to counter-attack or at least get out of the trap that the Manstien plan created.
And all of this would be regardless of the German use of "blitzkrieg."
Or, if you wish a scenario that isn't speculative.The Germans used "blitzkrieg" tactics at both the first and second battles at El Alamein... how did they do there?
If you wanted to point out "Blitzkrieg gone wrong", you should have mentioned out Kursk. The Soviets basically gambled on the Germans attacking them to encircle and crush a salient, and it turns out they were right.
Lasertech Studios It really wasn't that much of a gamble at either Kursk or El Alamein...
At El Alamein, Rommel's advance into Egypt could only mean the intention of taking the Suez Canal, thus why when the British recovered from the Battle of Gazala, they deployed in a position that geographically was unsuitable for Blitzkrieg tactics. The British lines were deep enough that they could absorb and repel direct attacks and the flanks were anchored so that Rommel had to attack head on. In pure theory, Rommel could have gone around the position, but that would have taken him deeper into the Egyptian desert to get around the depression that anchored the British southern flank and weakened his logistics further. He HAD to attack head on at Alamein, and thus did so.
At Kursk, while it is possible the Germans could have attacked anywhere on the Eastern Front in 1943, the Kursk sector was an obvious choice. The Soviets had made a deep bulge in the line that if the Germans were to fully stabilize their lines and allow for troops to go west to deal with the likely Allied landings in Italy, that bulge would HAVE to be eliminated. Attacking elsewhere would only extend German lines further and weaken their ability to maintain their lines in the East in the long term. They were further helped by the fact that Soviet spies and the Western Allied intelligence learned of Operation Citadel and passed it on to the Soviet high command, thus eliminating the need for guessing.
In both cases, the battles could be applicable because specific strategic decisions made in those battles. Which is my point.
Sam Nary
Regardless, given Stalin's natural instincts to attack and the prowess the Germans had demonstrated in the years before, the decision to dig in at Kursk practically represented a gamble for Stavka. After-all, the Germans were about the most dangerous force in the world to give the initiative to at the time.
It's the best WWI history channel on the entire RUclips!
Thank you.
Hey Flo, do you think you guys can team up with the Bovington tank museum (or any other one) for a few special episodes? Tanks are about to be introduced this year, and they could help you with research and allowing you to show how they worked. And they would get some advertisement.
+Attila Rischt If we get the travel budget, sure. We are in contact with a museum in Berlin though for covering the German Air Force
That is neat. If you manage the travel budget, you should even go to Australia. If I recall corretcly that german monster of a tank is there (I would love to hear how it got there), and you could also make a video about Indy's heroic fights against the deadly local fauna.
I think Australia is a bit too far for them just for that German A7V, but I think there's a replica of it in the tank museum in Münster.
+Attila Rischt travel Budget within Europe first. Then we will see.
The Great War Bah, humbug! You know we all want adventures! Excitement! Funny situations! -Murderous animals- Unusual historical stuff!
Personally, I want a ww1 movie based entirely from the German perspective, -
apart from “All Quiet on the Western Front” of course.
Basic tactic: ". . . sudden but massive and accurate artillery strikes quickly followed by concentrated shock troop detachments . . . "
can never get enough of this subject, thanks particularly for this episode fellas. What these tactics are capable of is simply nothing short of stunning even today (as mentioned).
I served as a NCO in a finnish 1. Pioneer Company in 2014, and i'm glad to hear some history of the pioneers.
Might be a good idea for a whole episode, too?
+Arttu Nousiainen Probably, yes.
im waiting for a joke about Andre LaFAG
Damn bro wish you were my history teacher 😏😎👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
YES, I HAVE WAITED FOR THIS FOR SO SO LONG, THANK YOU SO SO SO SO SO SO MUCH, I CAN'T FIND ANY RELIABLE BOOKS OR RESEARCH ON THEM
+Klause the killer forklift Hm just grab Infantry Attacks from Edwin Rommel. There should be plenty of material available even in English, no?
Ill check it out
greaaaaaat channel , one of the best in youtube
During the American Civil War, both sides quickly found that the old tactic of the two sides facing each other in the open and shooting was just a blood bath with the then modern weapons. The defenders learned to use barricades or trenches. The attacking fierce had to fight in the open and take casualties. A low ranking officer had the idea of attacking in force on a limited front to punch a hole in the defense. It worked.
6:45
The german soldier holding his knife-bayonet this way remembered me of the aggressive italian Arditi, that, according to sources, only charge this way (or with a dagger in the mouth and one grenade in each hand).
One of the best Specials, well done team :) !!
Great episode!
It’s not the Kar98k but a shorter version of the gewehr 98 called 98 az
The 2nd guy from the front at 2:48 is wearing an Austrian Berndorf helmet, which means these guys are probably Austrian stormtroopers. And the two guys at 5:48 are also Austrian, the rifles are Mannlicher carbines and the soldier to the right is also wearing a Berndorf helmet. And also, the D in Madsen is silent. But this was a very good Special Episode and I was looking forward to it :D
Excellent, as usual !!
I love the fact that he completely ignored any Star Wars references
The quality of your videos are superb!
Thank you.
I know this is getting boring, but......Great video guys!! Excellent details on what made sturm troops "Sturmy "!!!!
Isn't "In Stahlgewittern" from Ernst Jünger partly about his experiences as a leader of Stormtroops?
Fun fact:
Stormtroop tactics had their Very small beggining in The 30 years war in The Swedish protestant army under king Gustav II. Then 100 Or so years later king Karl XII perfected The Swedish shock trench raider tactics at The battle of narva and freustadt during The great northern war. IT was actually at freustadt Where The Swedish Norrlands dragon regemente (nowadays jägarbattaljonen) was formed.
That was all for My free history lesson of a european former great power that noone speaks about: The Swedish empire
För fäderneslandet, gå på, hurra!
At 5:49, that is not a Mauser 98k, but a M95 Stutzen carbine. I believe they were also Austrian Troops, based on the weaponry and helmets.
it would be so cool to be a part of one of those elite divisions, except for the being killed and horrors of war part.
That rigid Prussian thing is wrong Indy; it was von Molkte The Elder, who started leading by directive. Which he might have learned at the Danish court and Life Guard, where he served as a kadet before the Three-Years-War estranged him from Denmark.
I love this series. And I hope de heck that when it is over your group will then tackle the second world war. My guess is you won't because you might be sick of it by then. But I still hope you do. And I hope you do it almost exactly like you do these ones - a week by week video with extras to fill in the blanks. It would be a humongous task, no doubt. But both world wars were EXTREMELY important to world history...even today. And they need to be told in this type of forum - which is quickly becoming THE WAY to inform the world, imo.
As Egon Spengler said in Ghostbusters 1 - 'print is dead'. The present/next generations need easy-to-access video media to teach them about history. I just hope you all are making enough money to make it worth your while.
www.reddit.com/r/TheGreatWarChannel/comments/4ksvy2/will_you_guys_ever_do_a_ww2_channel_our_official/
Thanks very much for the reply...I did mean once this excellent series is over...not at the same time, btw.
Keep up the fantastic work.
Even throught the Stormtroopers were by far the best soldiers of the war, not even them, in their finnest hours, were good enought to match the "Soldier as good as a milion others"!
I'm sure this channel will cover him when the time comes :)
Did they find any traitors?
As in TR-8R?
LUASMCC Official Of course!
Any droids specifically?
Frederick Email His name is Nines, FN-2199.
Finnish Jägers' training was in good point at this point of The War.
Hello Indie and Co. Lots of thenks for the great show! I have a question for the "Out of the trenches". Did waring armies use landmines and, if so, how useful they were in regard to constant shelling and artillary barrages that would inevitably destroy any minefield?
We will answer that pretty soon.
Do you plan on doing a WW2 series as well?
The original inspiration of imperial stormtroopers in Star Wars. History and fiction.
Love this
Amusing how Indy is pronouncing the German words :D
I always wondered: despite the constant claims that mobilized warfare (this was in 1939) was truly the way of the future and the devastating German invasion of France by none other than Erwin Rommel's Ghost Division, many on both sides saw that trench warfare was an obsolete doctrine. The humiliation of years of effort building the Maginot Line only for the Germans to simply walk around it(!) probably convinced everyone to permanently drop the idea. So then, why did trench warfare come back in the Vietnam War?
I've seen a lot of footage of the trenches and it still shocked and amused me that the soldiers were behaving the same way. In one rather funny example: a soldier held up his helmet on a stick to test the NVA's reaction. They instantly peppered the area with a belt fed Russian machine gun. He slapped a mag into his M-16 and held it high over his head and laid down suppressive fire with it so his guys could climb out and rush the VC trench on the other side. If the NVA trenches were very close to the trees, the American Army might even take the huge risk of sending a poor guy with flamethrower. If he succeeded in not getting hit by a bullet, he could really make their lives miserable. Burning the trees not only posed a threat to the NVA, it also made it difficult for them to hide so they had no choice but to return fire. The documentary was truly bizarre because I thought that almost everyone had dumped the idea of trench warfare. How did it manage to come back?
www.war-stories.com/khesanh-geiger-08-1968.htm
Another question from this soldier's account: why were none of the CO's given 2-way radios? It could have helped save time running through the trenches to spread new orders.
Trench warfare continues to this day(just see videos from Bosnian,Ukranian,Syrian wars ect.)..there is simply no better way to hold a position and/or protect your terittory for a long period of time without digging in a line in large non urban spaces.
As for the radios(I might be wrong here) I do not think they were invented or if they were they were not yet advanced enough for military use so the armies used telegraph, homing pigeons and runners to deliver messages.
You are mixing different things here.
Firstly, only after 1940 Blitzkrieg in France was it proven that the idea of massed tank divisions works. Before that, no war has really proven this idea and people in Germany, France, GB and elsewhere that supported this concept were fighting an uphill battle to prove their points. Tank's other role was it being a mobile bunker, pretty much.
Now, Maginot line is more like forts around Przemysl and Verdun than trenches. It's role is very downplayed today, but keep in mind French were not stupid. By building the Maginot line, they protected Alsace and Lorraine (which they lost in Franco-Prussian war and got after WW1) and as it was pretty much unconquerable, they forced Germans to attack through Belgium. This would then both drag Britain in the war yet again and also make it possible for French to avoid war on their soil. They would put their best division in Belgium. What Germans did, however, was focus their attack at the point where these best division and the Maginot line meet - the hole was covered by reserve troops. But overall, Germans were where the Allies wanted them.
That is a strategic defensive line, while trenches you speak about later are simple enhancements. That is a tactical level, with smaller units involved. You didn't have NVA and USA forces entrench along their whole frontline in Vietnam War. As a rule one side will at one point in the war be defending a particularly important place. Defence is always done better if one is entrenched, so trenches or similar positions will exist as long as firearms exist.
As an interesting fact, even while people (falsely) claim that German Blitzkrieg made permanent fortifications (= Maginot line) obsolete, many were built even after WW2 and some of them, like those in Italy and Austria, were active up until 1989 and 1991 respectively.
As for the radios, as Hawke said - they were simply not advanced enough and were not all that portable.
The purpose of the Maginot Line wasn't to stop the Germans, but to make them take a detour through Belgium (again). In that respect, it was a roaring success.
It's only considered a failure because the rest of their strategy was bad. They underestimated the German military's mobility, failed to properly take advantage of radios, and their tank doctrine failed to adapt to mobile warfare despite mobile warfare being what eventually led to their victory in the Great War. That's how the German tanks managed to crush the French tanks despite being vastly inferior in both quality and quantity.
My favorite units of this war the arditi, sturmtruppen fricking badass
I don't know if Rommel's book is still used in US military schools -- in the last 15 years we have converted our entire Army and Marine Corps into a counterinsurgency force rather than a true fighting force capable of taking on an organized enemy. Today's captains and majors have been doing counterinsurgency for their whole careers -- they've been on multiple combat tours but probably never did an operation involving more than a single battalion.
Very interesting. Could could you elaborate a bit more on this? That would be great for our segment OUT OF THE ETHER.
Yes, I would be happy to but I will need to gather some more documentation to make it stand up. To add some background, I was a tank officer in Desert Storm (1991), which was probably the most powerful land force ever assembled. We had six heavy (tank/mechanized) Army divisions plus two heavy armored cavalry regiments. We had been trained and equipped to beat the Red Army in Central Europe, and nothing short of an alien invasion (or running out of diesel fuel) could have stopped us. We didn't care about "civil affairs" or "hearts and minds" because our mission was to win the land battle, period.
The Army has very short institutional memory and its leadership is always eager to help US political leaders achieve whatever misguided goals they may have, e.g. "saving" Vietnam. This is the ticket to funding and promotions, regardless of how far it takes the Army from its core mission of defending the United States (nobody in the US military really ever thinks about defending the United States, by the way). The brief period of roughly 1975-89 represented a time when the Army at least identified the critical mission and built the force to accomplish it. Since then, it has merely reacted to events and attempted to be all things to all decision-makers.
I will try to better organize and document these themes in the next month or so. Please let me know if I should direct my comments to a specific person. Thanks.
Can you do an episode about the Canadians and their battles in Ypres Flanders and on Vimy ridge. I am going there next year in April for the 100th anniversary of Vimy and I'd like to know more. Thanks.
We will cover these battles as they unfolded 100 years later. No special episodes about battles.
+The Great War ok thanks
Operation Michael in 1918 witnessed the Germans with numerical superiority. The attack forced the British to retreat in dissorder. The only answer to these Stormtroops was the Anzac 'Shocktroops'. They were thrown in to halt the German advance. This was the pivotal battle of WW1. If the Germans were not stopped at this point the War would most likely have been lost.
Sometime after this Operation had faltered, the Germans launched Operation Georgette. Anzacs again halted the German advance and counterattacked driving them back. Now exhausted, the Canadians came in to take over from the Aussies and finish the job.
The Germans even had to pick Volunteers from these 'Special Forces' to form a resistance to the Anzacs following the failure of Operation Michael. It is a wonder that the Author did not mention this, then again he is a 'Yank'.
This was VERY good. I never would have learned what you shared here in a history class. Watching this got me thinking of the book, "The Art of War." Mainly because of the similar doctrine.
Nice video, I was just wondering, when did the Ottoman Empire fall? Do you guys have a video on it? Thanks! Love the channel by the way!
@mike musto first the armistance of mudros, followed by the treaties of paris and sèvres. the allies carved up the empire witch resulted in resistance, giving birth to turkey...
+Admiral LongStash thanks for the info mate!
Your clear explanations are excellent!
Will you do a special on the British Machine Corps which was founded in 1916? This corps seems to have comprised a large number of horses and wagons and I'm wondering how were these deployed on the battlefield, especially on the Western Front.
+Ciaran Doyle Curious, never heard of them so far. will investigate
Sorry: Machine Gun Corps
Ah! Okay, yeah we should talk about machine gun tactics in general.
Although the term "Stormtrooper" is generally associated with German soldiers, it was also a nickname given to the Canadian troops by the Germans during WW1 (due to the fury of a Canadian attack).
I heard that the Germans and Russians stopped fighting each other because wolves kept killing them is this true?
Russia was having internal problems of the political and social kind... comrade.
no,wolfs were afraid from gunfire,and wolfs ussualy dont atack humans,they mostly if in large packs coud pick up some lone vandered of vounded solders,but mostly they ate corpses
+Lord Orio guess joe rogan was full of shit lol
+Al Kamil The episode where he interviews the producers of Cowspiracy. About 15-20 minutes in they start talking about wolves and animal populations and Joe mentioned that story.
at 5:49 thats clearly an Austrian m95 "stutzen"
Many photos in this video are of Austro-Hungarian stormtroopers - but they used the same manuals (well, Austrians paid more attention to mountain warfare in theirs), so it's very fitting.
Accident Prone ...we always do ;-)
I really like your icon, btw! Lovely purple A you got there! :D
I read that when the infamous 300 spartans were chosen they had to have sons to continue their name as their chances of surviving were slim to none. I find it interesting that these men had to be single as a requirement seeing as their chances of survival were less than that of a regular infantryman. Obviously the aggressive and young qualities matter but can anyone tell me why they had to be single?
Why infamous?
+V. Athanasiou Now that you mention it, it is a rather odd thing to say. Guess I wasn't thinking. Famous*
Fun Fact: Star Wars stormtroopers were named after mine.
Look up Thomas Wictor on Twitter and at Amazon. He has books on this.
the way he pronounced the German, especially jäger...not trying to be rude, sorry.
Maybe we should start seeing this as a compliment: If this is the only thing people complain about, we probably did a good job.
Very true. Everything else was spot on. The way you explain everything keeps it interesting.
German here: Pronunciation of "Jäger" is spot on, weiter machen.
+TheKalash Are you deaf?
Maybe your german isn't as good as you think it is.
"RUclips at it's best," hear hear!
Thanks!
I thought the stormtroopers came from wwII I had no idea they started in wwI
They basically were the "Grenadiers" of their time !
Information on the U.S. issued 37mm M1916?
Great video, but I want to point out that Jäger should be pronounced "Yae-ger".
Guten Nacht mein Brudden :-:
Without the Germans,we wouldn't have Star Wars
Germany had a magnificent Military in both world wars
your a great teacher ..but do you have that stuff that micheal j fox has..
Rude.
Where'nt the US-Barracks in Hanau still named after Hutier?
Sooooo I would have been an A1 recruit for the Stormtroopers lol
Probably someone thought this was for star wars XD
Wait I don't get it can you explain it again I lost it when you said rohr
If thiis was the stormtrooper in stars wars, Hans Solo would've reduce to ashes a long time ago.
My great grandfather fought for the German Empire in 1915 until 1918. He was picked to train and become a stormtrooper and fought in the Spring Offensive. I have his journal, a gas mask and a picture of him. In the picture he has no rifle just 2 bags of stick grenades, a club tucked in his belt and a mauser pistol.
Wow that's cool, maybe one day you could upload the journal to an online database or to a war library.
Esto es geniaaaaaal por favor te lo suplico sube el diario ya que sería genial ver algo así no se. Siempre me encantaron las cartas o notas escritas de los soldados
yea many men had no rifle because they could move faster without it and also they might just lose it anyway
And they had way better aim than Lord Vader's stormtroopers...
I find your lack of faith... disturbing!
JediTardisArchives I believe in the Force, not technological monsters like the death star
Yes, the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force!
JediTardisArchives Tarkin had it coming all along...
+JediTardisArchives you need to get a new architect even though you killed the last one your fanboy Kylo ten did it again
Strike at zero hour
With overwhelming firepower
They're fueled by the fear in their enemies' eyes
It's a shock troop infiltration
A fast and violent escalation
Out of the trenches the stormtroopers rise
JÄGERS LED THE WAY, THE PIONEERS WOULD JOIN THE FRAY..
INITIATIVE GAINED, ADVANCEMENT SUSTAINED
@@RegzalTG LEAD THROUGH DIRECT COMMAND AS THEY’RE ADVANCING THROUGH THE LAND.
@@failure6728 ENCIRCLING THIER FLANKS, AND RAVAGE THEIR RANKS
@@then00brathalos EXPOSE THEIR REINFORCEMENTS, DESTROYING THEIR LINES!
I don't even know how I got here but this dude is great
Welcome to the show.
The Magnanimous dude he is awesome, keep watching!
Indy is the best
German Mark IV tank there. Rare image to see one in action.
It's funny that they had more captured allied tanks than A7V's
I see you everywhere toby
well they only built 20 A7Vs
Play Empire Earth 1
Toby Wood TIGER??
Actually decentralized decision-making and autonomy also for the lower ranks had a century-old past in German armies, especially in Prussia. Frederick the Great has been famous for his trust in his officers and NCOs and granted them an amount of responsibility unknown in most of the other armies. In the Franco-Prussian war the audacity of lower-ranked Prussian officers played a huge role in the German victory. Even in the ferocious Third Reich NCOs and officers acted more freely compared the the Allies.
Time to time basis and implementation on a doctrinal and organizational scale are 2 different things.
+Lasertech Studios This has been no occasional events but the core of the officer training in Germany for centuries.
German stormtroopers were far better trained than Star Wars stormtroopers.
Tiger H. Lore death Star? meet death camp!
Tiger H. Lore lol
Cuz stormtroopers in Star wars are just manufactured/cloned disposable cannon folders. German ones are actually military elites
because of the helmets
@@connormac4401 Wrong. Those were the clones. Stormtroopers are actually conscripts.
It's nice to hear about tactics from WW1 more complicated than run towards the trench. I can't wait for the introduction of the tank. The documentaries i saw on that was as funny as total war can be.
at this point in historical perspective we would have to wait till September 2016 to even mention in detail about the 100th anniversary of the first tanks used during the war :/
They had an effect, they crushed barb wires and provided hard cover for the advancing infantry, but they seemed to be better at destroying themselves. I guess learn more in the next 3 years.
***** What about how it was a morale boost for the Allies and a technological edge for them towards the end of trench warfare. The Renault FT tank introduced the future standard for a 360 rotating turret for the main gun on most battle tanks in the years to come. They were effective at making trenches seem almost obsolete and barbed wire almost useless by then, even scaring the hell out of the Germans when they saw them as their mere presence meant that the attack was large and now backed up by heavy and potential firepower on treads. You do realise that by the start of 1918 when they were improving them it actually was making a difference from the last two years of stalemates and little to no ground gained or lost??? It gave the attackers movement again ever since 1914 and a way to punch through the lines instead of sending wave after wave of troops to the slaughter. It brought the introduction of the SPG, light, heavy and medium tier tanks that World War 2 would improve upon as well as the momentum and movement back on the battlefield breaking the lines and no they did have cannons plus machine guns not just only machine guns and they were a working experiment that had combat experience for almost the last two years of the war promoting more changes and later was vastly improved on over the years since. World War 2 only advanced the research for tanks in general on a bigger scale.
I didn't expect this comment to turn this way. Can you blame these tanks from breaking? 40 feet long tank operated by a boiler with no suspension, going up the side of an impact crater to go crashing down the other side for the hour it must have taken to get to the enemy's trench. I wouldn't want to operate one.
I also like that they got their name of "tank" to deceive german spy in believing they were supposed to be water carrier.
Sure, how effective they were is exaggerated. But you have to understand that they made up for those faults in a few ways. One being the whole Shock Tactic. The same thing which made Cavalry Charges and War Elephants so terrifying, the pure shock.
And yes, while they were prone to failing, they did do a good job with breaking through trench fortifications. Basically it was a small mobile armoured fort.
What? Imperial Stormtroopers that hit something?
What is this heresy?
This was before they started covering their eyes with those crazy helmets
That was before the Plot demanded from them to loose
HERSEY BURN THEM
Not to mention that they were the original grenade spammers.
@@pergys6991 Sorry, but it's them who have the flamethrower.
I love hearing Anglos pronounce German words :D
+Kek Man it is
I think it would be better to hear a Hispanic person try to pronounce it since English is descended from Germanic (though not the German we know)...
Yes, J sounds like Y in German and most other Germanic languages.
***** Of course, but the influence of the Norman invasion and the language they brought onto the island lead to many oddities in English compared to other Germanic languages. J being pronounced the French way is one of them. Another example would be the fact that in English, the meat of animals is called differently than the animal itself (cow -> _Kuh_ [de], beef -> _bœuf_ [fr]). That's why some linguists even go as far as to claim English can't even be considered a pure Germanic language anymore, but those people are a minority.
***** Haha, yeah, English would be "that guy". But still, the fact that is was forged over centuries by a handful of different peoples is probably what makes it so accessible and such a great language to use internationally. I think you can tell I really like the English language.
But what about the 501st?
Wasn't that WW2
+Lawrence Tider no it was the war of 1812
+Lawrence Tider lel
yeah, but when i heard of 501st the first that come to my mind was Schwere Panzer-Abteilung 501 (501st heavy tank battalion) from the second world war.
Well, unless you spending years studying about it and trying to write a books base on it. I guess you would think of Star War first.
Looks like Battlefield 1 gameplay is not that history inaccurate after all when you play Operations game mode.
Zielony ludzik inaccurate* and that's the only thing about the game I like... needs more trenches tbh... I want a trench multiplayer mode where you take turns charging at each others trench
+Christian\ Richardson That would be epic!
There is exactly this game. its called verdun and i had a lot of fun with it^^
+John CENA Its equal, attackers get much more vehicles, also they get an attack aircraft.
I recommend the game Verdun.
In the book "Killer Angels", it stated towards the end that Confederate General Longstreet had pioneered advocating small, highly mobile units as opposed to mass attacks. I think it stated that his analysis was based on the advances in rifle accuracy, that had not been fully accounted for by most other commanders.
The Confederate Army had to think economically in the end in the same way as the German army had to. They were both inferior in men and material and would just simply be overpowered in the long run. But thanks for letting us know, might look into the book.
The Great War Hi, I believe it was in the epilogue. It certainly was at the end of the book. It also read that he had roughly calculated the number of Confederates who would be killed going across that field in "Picket's Charge" by various means; exploding cannon shot, grapeshot, rifle, etc.
Thank you for your great channel.
Zan G you do realize that "Killer Angels" is a work of fiction?
Zan G
I'm nearly certain that passage was outside the novel part of the book, in the epilogue where there was some historical context added. Thank you for adding your point; I should have mentioned that.
Yikes, I used to read so much on the subject I hope I haven't mixed/muddled the source...
Actually the 98k was not used in WW1 the Mauser 98AZ was but not the 98k. The 98k was not put into German service until 1935.
Actually its a Mannlicher 1895 as you can see from the magazine lol. These are austrian soldiers.
It was no coincidence that the Germans developed these tactics. Before WW1 the German army, particularly the General Staff was already contemplating the benefits of more decentralised command. The German General Staff was an almost unique military organisation which did not only plan out any future war or campaign but also invested a lot of time and effort in studying past wars, even ones they themselves won with ease as well as wars other nations fought and they often took the lessons to heart. It was no accident that the Germans found themselves equipped with lager calibre artillery during the beginning of WW1 because they realised that it would be necessary against field fortifications. The Germans also embraced the machine-gun to a larger degree than any other army before WW1.
But back to the tactics. What happened in the German General Staff before the war was a discussion between the two main interpretations of the Napoleonic wars namely Jomini and Clausewitz. Jomini was a Swiss general in the French army and knew Napoleon personally because he was part of a number of Napoleonic campaigns. He described the command style of Napoleon which was highly centralised and revolved around the commander and declared that this was the way armies should ALWAYS operate. The alternative was Clausewitz who went far more in dept and described combat conditions and problems based of his experience in the Prussian army fighting Napoleon. This discussion basically ended with Jomini being dominant as he was in every major army. What happened during WW1 was that the armies discovered just how wrong they where in there believe of Jomini. For the Germans the answer was quite simple namely look at the other military theorist, forgotten by most and apply into practise the abstract lessons of Clausewitz into modern warfare.
These stormstoopers are one of the results of that realisation. After WW1 only two countries really developed onwards from what happened namely the Germans and the Soviets. Both started thinking in combat depts and not in lines, both looked at the role of the air force, the tank and combined arms and developed there own methods of warfare. The new military question became how to avoid trench warfare. The Germans decided that a quick victory would be required and the results are pretty well know. The Soviets embraced the attrition to the fullest and organised there entire state for this purpose. The results where also seen in command. The Soviets stuck with top down command because intensive training would not be worth the time expended because the losses where expected to be to high. The Germans on the other hand took the mission type tactics to the next level and introduced them into the entire army. Yes they lost again but the German approach was the better one in a lot of ways. It was just that they ran up against a country determined to fight to the last man, ready to do this and with enormous support from the USA to actually do it.
PS: Yes, I am a history student and no, you won't find all this on wikipedia. :P
Thanks for writing this. We will put this in Out Of The Ether.
Yay. :D
All major powers where guilty in my opinion, of both wars...
You can't even just blame the Nazi's for WW2. There are just to many factors at play with such a large and complex situation and conflict. The only one you can exempt a bit for both world wars would be the USA.
He literally said in the video the russians invented it
So, when did Palpatine integrate German tactics into his Galactic military?
Never it seems.
he looks like a good nice version of Alex Jones
Comrade Nikolai I don't think Alex Jones and good/nice go together lol
Who?
Comrade Nikolai Alex Jones is much tubbier, but I can see it
KoDan the conspiracy theory lunatic guy
Comrade Nikolai yes but Indy is not screaming at the camera... that would be funny to see though.
I'm curious to know how much of an impact the release of "battlefield one" had on the traffic for this channel. In my own circle of friends the game has opened the eyes of a lot of people - not because of the game itself but the game/campaign sparking an interest in the war and causing people to find out information from channels such as this one.
People had issues with the game saying it glorifies war - which it might - however in a way it has caused an entire generation of younger people to have an interest and to learn resulting in far more people respecting the sacrifices the men and women made during this time.
Anyways, great channel!
We have seen a noticeable increase in views and subscribers since last week.
I know, it has made people really want to know more
Chris There's no way you can sit through the 1st campaign and say it glorifies war. They flat out show you that you will die. There is no survival. This is why I love the campaign because the opening levels show the gruesome reality of war. You can't escape death.
BigEvan96 The first mission was great. I wasn't sold on the rest of the game, I felt the AI was too dumb and there was too much of a "one man army" feel to it. I wasn't implying that bf1 or the campaign glorify war - it was more so war games in general are glorifying war due to the fact you're having fun doing something that was horrific. I was also suggesting though that they open up a lot of peoples eyes to certain events and stories etc that would most likely never come to the attention of a lot of people, particularity the younger generations.
I started watching because of it. I only had a very broad understanding of WW1 before the game. Now i've been absorbing everything I can.
This was my first video watched on this channel. I really appreciate it. WW1 is worth remembering, but for some reason it's shoved on the back burner. Most people I know can't even tell you what started it, or who was allied with who.
Welcome to the show.
Gonna be extremely sad when 2018 rolls around, i've been with you guys since 2014 and have tried to watch each upload. Keep up the lovely work guys, thank you for what you do.
+TheRedHawk422 Thinking about it this way: It's not even halftime yet.
What's in 2018?
end of war
Crusty Buns That means they stop making weekly videos, but I hope they still make more specials.
AMGaming they say theu were thinking of making a ww2 thing
So much to unpack here.
TL:DR
Stormtroops were founded in 1915, indirect command was with the German
Army well before 1914 and the Stormtroops did not have their roots in
the East.
@Lafargue
First, Lafargue was not an influence on German stormtroop tactics.
What he prossed were more heavily armed infantry companies (additional 37 mm cannons and mountain guns) advancing independtly of the success of the other companies. So far, so stormtroop.
He did however not stray from the linear formation (the company was to advance line abreast 'as on parade' to 'hold back enthusiasts' and sweep up those holding back), preliminary bombardment was to be by 75 mm flat-trajectory cannons which were unsuited for the work; wire obstacles were to be passed sequential and in formation; enemy trenches were to be taken frontally in a single rush; breaks would be made to form up again; etc.
His manual was captured in Sommer 1916, translated into German and distributed to units; Vieth von Golsenau claims some units used it as a training but there is no independent or other German sources to mention this.
The time (Sommer 1916) also puts it almost one and a half year behind since the formation of the first Sturmabteilung happened on March 2, 1915 (Max Bauer, Der grosse Krieg im Felder, Tübingen: Osiander, 1921; also Adolf Vogt, Oberst Max Bauer: Generealstabsoffizier im zwielicht 1869 - 1929 Osnabrück, Biblioverlag 1974) .
Wynne is wrong in his assumptions and so are texts drawing from him.
@Calsow assault detachment:
As already mentioned, this was founded March 1915, almost a year before the Battle of Verdun started.
Initial setablishment were a headquarter, two pioneer companies and an overstrength artillery battery of 20(!) 37 mm Krupp Sturmkanonen.
They hid some snags on the way (the first time the detachment was deployed its components were cannibalized and used independently) and the unit had to be drawn back understrengthed in June. In August Willy Rohr arrived (with the backing of Max Bauer) having already employed 'Stormtroop tactics' in an assault at Hartmannsweilerkopf on new Year.
After Rohr arrived the Detachment got a machine gun platoon (two MG 08) and trench mortar platoon (four light mortars) and six light flamethrowers compliments of Captain Reddemann.
This is really the core of the assault units:
All arms and supporting arms packed into a batallion-sized unit that can then but broken up into smaller detachments.
The 37 mm gun was then ditched in favor of the 7.62 cm Russian field guns captured in early 1915 which were cut-down and made lighter by removing unnecessary equipment (long range sights). As far as i can tell this happened somewhere between the arrival of Rohr and the deploymnet to Verdun.
The first use of this equipment and the new tactics happened on October 12, 1915 in the Vosges on the Schrätzmannle. And was a success.
Six large flamethrowers fired on the french trenches, than a squad(!) (no longer companies or platoons or god-forbid batallions) of stormtroopers cleared that stretch of trench with hand grenades and then closed it off. They were reinforced by regular infantry carrying the necessary entrenchment tools and sandbags, which the stormtroopers had not carried.
The Assault detachment then began training other units in December 1915 (43 officers and 351 NCOs of 12. Landwehr Division, which is a unit of the second or even third line)
Birthplace of the Stormtroops was in the east:
No.
That is part propaganda employed by the British and French to explain the setbacks in late 1917 and 1918 as the result of new tactics brought in by German troops coming from the east (the same reason those tactics are called, almost exclusivly by the Entente-Powers at that point, 'Hutier-Tactics') so they (the Entente) could not possibly be expected to be able to deal with them.
The Brusilow offensive might very well have sped up the advancement of stormtroop doctrine within the German Army but by the point the offensive was launched, Germany looked back on over a year of Assault Detachment Calsow/Rohr and attacks made using those same tactics (Schranzmännle, Hartmannsweilerkopf, The New Years Eve 1914 attack in the Vosges, etc.). The Russian were the first though to use those tactics at Army level though... in the east. The first use of such tactics in the West was ...February 1916 at Verdun.
The Russian use was more advanced insofar as they relied on far shorter bombardments however, making reinforcement and surprise much easier.
2:16
As we have seen however Willy Rohr and Bernhard Reddemann had been at it for more than a year by this point.
Quick point on Reddemann: He was a pioneer captain and pioneered the use and development of flamethrowers, first use early 1915 north of Verdun.
4:17 Revolution within military culture:
This is false.
Two points there.
Command was decentralizing as needed since 1866. By the start of the World War decentralization had reached a point were batallion commanders were expected to be able to act independently and on their own initiative. Since the batallion was seen as the smallest unit of control, however, control did not decentralize further beneath that point.
With the advent of the stormtroops control went down from company to platoon to squad, with squadleaders now being expected to lead and react on their initiative.
This i showever not so much a revolutionary as an evolutionary development already half a century in coming.
Secondly, i have no idea what Indy means by 'strict rules within the chain of the command'.
The idea that 'orders' came from high up is misleading though, same as the idea that junior officers were required to 'coordinate'.
German style of command knew 4 levels of 'militärische Willensäußerungen' (military declarations of one's will); those were, from most severe to least:
Kommando (command)
Befehl (order)
Auftrag (assignment)
Weisung (directive)
4:47
Führung nach Direktive is Führung nach Weisung which is NOT leading through direct command.
Führung nach Weisung is much more indirect.
The commander high up defines an objective.
Example:
I want to take those hills by noon day x because we need them for y.
He then tasks a lower commander, a division maybe, with fulfilling this objective, stating what support (artillery, aircraft, etc.) they can expect. He is not part of the planning. He only sets the framework but communicates not just the objective but his intent in taking it. This is vital.
The commander of the division then divises a plan of attack. He divides the objective further and assigns his units, regiments in this case, to specific portions of the plan.
Here, again, he is not part of the planning of the regiment, but communicates the intent of his superior commander and his own as well as the support assigned to each regiment.
It goes on down all the way to the company.
Each commander plans his own operations within the framework but indepently of interference from higher up but aware of not just what he is supposed to do but was is meant to be achieved by that. This allows for a much better appreciation of the tactical situation.
So Führung nach Directive is not directly commanding ones own troops, it is being told not just what hill to take BUT WHY THAT HILL IS TO BE TAKEN.
Mission tactics stem from the same idea:
You are given an Auftag, a mission, not a step by step plan as the British command structure would have given you.
But again, these are OLD.
These were in use by the Prussian by 1866 and the only thing changing and evolving was that more and more junior leaders and smaller and smaller units were given individual assignments.
Okay.
I do not know if i have slain all misconceptions here, but for a further look, if anybody wants to look further and only read one book for each of those concepts i would point you to 'Stormtroop Tactics' by Bruce Gudmundsson for the evolution of the stormtroops and 'Command or Control? Command, Training and Tactics in the British and German Armies 1888 - 1918' by Martin Samuels for Mission tactics and Command by Directive.
How can I pin this so viewers must read it? Splendid work.
If a reply has "unpack" in the opening sentence you know it's real talk. Thanks for taking the time to enlighten the details.
Why does this guy look like Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad
German command: here’s all this equipment: field gun, rifle, comms, knife, and….
StormTrooper: just give me a bunch of grenades and a club…maybe a Submachine gun
Comms?
I thought the stormtroopers were busy failing to hit people in a galaxy far far away...
Strike at zero hour!
You guys should make a T-shirt in the store that says "This is modern war" with channel's logo in the background or above the quote.
shop.thegreatwar.tv/en/Clothing/T-Shirts/This-is-War-T-Shirt.html
+The Great War Oh cool, Thanks!
...7 nation army couldn't hold me back...
ChairPerson no.
ChairPerson no.
ChairPerson no
dog probably because Indy wrote the codex entries
Nightspawn Son-of-luna indy wrote the codex,, and ian(forgotten weapons)armed us.
The 98k wasn't developed until 1935, the stormtroopers used the mauser 98az