Dawn of Sorrow Bosses Tier List

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  • @AndreiCatalin42069
    @AndreiCatalin42069 2 года назад +125

    I like how everyone has their sprite to represent them and then Dmitri is just like 🗿 😬

    • @derthevaporeon
      @derthevaporeon 2 года назад +7

      Dmitri looks like forsene lol

    • @hiro_sekai5948
      @hiro_sekai5948 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@derthevaporeonhonestly he looks like Shaggy's lost brother

  • @ThatguycalledJoe
    @ThatguycalledJoe 2 года назад +49

    I have a Dawn of Sorrow guide book that refers to Menace's heart as being a nipple.
    It's to your discretion if you are enlightened or damned for knowing that such a thing exists.

  • @TheTolnoc
    @TheTolnoc 2 года назад +56

    Abaddon is interesting because he's the penultimate boss, but he can be trivialized by the soul you get from the opening segment, the spear knight.
    Just spin those locusts away!

  • @nicoloenricorimoldi7425
    @nicoloenricorimoldi7425 2 года назад +86

    I think Menace has the reputation it has because it’s such a terrible inclusion story-wise. The game hypes up Dmitrii for the final fight and then it throws out a boss that comes out of nowhere like it’s a NES Final Fantasy game.
    Considering that Dawn is also the end of the timeline, it’s disappointing that Menace is such an anticlimax.
    Gameplay wise it’s good, as you said.

    • @James-oj6ru
      @James-oj6ru 2 года назад +8

      At least visually, it’s a joy to look at… _except for people with really weak stomach and shit taste_

    • @warcraftfan5
      @warcraftfan5 2 года назад +24

      Also a shame that its kind of just a boss version of the Golem enemies.

    • @Stroggoii
      @Stroggoii 2 года назад +12

      Yeah I expected a Soul of Dracula type boss or dark Soma (which we did get as a bonus), not just Chaos but boring.

    • @MaskedGuyCh
      @MaskedGuyCh 2 года назад +20

      Kinda ironic that the final boss of Julius Mode is more remarkable, actually has build up, and is just better in every way, considering that mode barely has any dialogue compared to the main game.

    • @HarbingerYT
      @HarbingerYT Год назад +3

      I would have had Dmitrii fight you before sacrificing Celia, then the fight ends and he kills her to gain the power of a powerful demon, but loses control of it,and it enters Soma, who then proceeds to struggle to hold it back.
      Then Soma has to have an internal battle with his dark side (manifested as Somacula in this case).

  • @KazeMemaryu
    @KazeMemaryu 2 года назад +29

    From a non-speedrunner perspective, I think Death is more enjoyable than Abaddon. Death has a lot of different moves that are all telegraphed well enough to be realistically dodged even the first time, and during the second phase, he lives up to his name with the Skull Barrage. Abaddon, by comparison, is too predictable for me, making him much easier as a result.
    Also think Dario is just a bad fight. His two moves are boring, if you don't manipulate him, his fire pillars can effectively lock you out of range for several seconds, his constant laughing is mind-numbing, and even his character is dull. There's nothing to get excited about with this guy, though that isn't saying much.
    But I do agree on Menace: the fight is challenging every time, but rarely does it get unfair, except on your very first run, when the sheer size of it is simply overwhelming. It's sad that it's such a non-descript amalgamation of nonsense design-wise, but the fight itself is pretty epic. Besides, there are very few Castlevania bosses in general that use verticality for bosses, and only Order of Ecclesia's Eligor comes to mind as a comparison.

    • @Exorion
      @Exorion 2 года назад +2

      Doesn't Dario technically have four "attacks" during his first encounter?
      Fireball, firewave, firepiller and teleport.
      Unless I got your comment totally wrong.

    • @BaconMinion
      @BaconMinion 2 года назад +2

      Dario is a bad fight and the fact that he even has to mention manipulation is proof of that.

    • @KazeMemaryu
      @KazeMemaryu 2 года назад

      @@Exorion Okay, I forgot Firewave since he rarely ever uses that on me, but I don't consider teleportation an attack. I don't think that changes anything for Dario, though.

  • @MaskedGuyCh
    @MaskedGuyCh 2 года назад +17

    Sadly the mandatory touchscreen controls kinda ruin many of the boss fights in Dawn of Sorrow, especially the later ones with the more complex patterns. Completely unnecessary mechanic.
    Otherwise, the boss fights are not bad, many of them are great.

  • @ianleather5699
    @ianleather5699 2 года назад +6

    I like dimitri if only because it's fun to mess around and see just how many moves he's able to copy

  • @CrookiNari
    @CrookiNari Год назад +4

    I personally find the easiest way to deal with Dmitrii is Almaric Sniper, then attack while crouched. He literally can't do anything to you.
    Persephone lv 8 is my favourite way of dealing with projectiles, including Death's mini scythes, Zephyr's knives and Abaddon's locusts.

  • @noxturne16
    @noxturne16 2 года назад +3

    fair tier list! i had a lot of fun with this game and almost all the bosses gave me a great time with fair but enough difficulty

  • @sigmaklim2532
    @sigmaklim2532 2 года назад +3

    I was deceived by the thumbnail. 10/10 video though please make more!

  • @HolyLightofAngel
    @HolyLightofAngel 2 года назад

    Was actually waiting for this for a long time lol.

  • @benackermann6328
    @benackermann6328 2 года назад

    Ooo, I was hoping you would do a boss tier list! I'm hoping you'll do it for other castlevania games too

  • @Charnel_Heart
    @Charnel_Heart Год назад +2

    Gergoth better be top tier I swear to god.

  • @Exorion
    @Exorion 2 года назад +8

    I assume this tier list factors in fast / speedrun-esque gameplay heavier than not, otherwise I would argue against some choices. But firstly I wanna say I agree with most placements (as well as ordering). Dimitri could be way higher if he either had a default set but would basically take three of your souls at random before the fight each try or copy all of them and cycle through them. That would make him way more dynamic and interesting.
    Dario really suffers from his first encounter being really boring (even outside of flamepillar manipulation) as well as being the only one required on a normal playthrough. Combined with everyone skipping the way better second encounter (once again ignoring flame pillar manipulation) because of only Aguni being required (hell, even the boss rush does not include Dario 2, for shame).
    Flying Armor is a great base and I wish he would've gotten a rematch. Keep the base version as a introductiory boss but give us a faster version later on with more varied attack patterns. In general I feel some boss fights would jump at least one tier if they simply were (way) faster.
    Bosses I would rank (way) lower are Malphas, Menace and Puppet Master. Malphas is really slow and has the issue of safe-spot syndrome. Basically you can park your ass almost right under him and he will never ever touch you. Because the only actions which can hit you there are him landing (which is really easy to avoid) and his dark spheres which take ages to announce themselves, making it even easier to avoid them. Puppet Master is only ever dangerous because of his summoned dolls. But those, as well as his iron maiden puppet, die so fast he really, reaaaaaaaaally can't do shit against most weapon and soul combinations.
    Menace I would honestly seperate into two entities: he himself would land in bad for me. He just can never hit me. He is way too slow, telegraphs everything early and more than enough weapons and souls keep such distance that nothing can hit you out of surprise. The only dangerous (and more interesting) part of his battle are the spawns because they can take some hits, can be fast, unpredictable and do high damage. They bring the danger, kick up the nerves and are the only part of the fight anyone has to divert any attention to. Honestly I would prefer an expansion of his first phase with the actual use of (ranged, projectile-like) attacks (especially the swords) in combination with the spawns. But because he is the way he is I find him highly, highly boring and would always choose Somacula over him (I do it randomly for variety's sake).
    Rahab is a boss which sadly can't work in any different way because of how his patterns and attacks are designed. Dawn of Dissonance showed me that being able to go underwater for that fight makes him even more boring because he literally can't do anything to touch you. The only thing that sorta works is something like having Rahab in Flying Armor's(?) Bossroom. Because his switches between hitable and too off-screen are overall shorter, his repositional movements are actual attacks and the existence of gravity makes it so that you have to do careful movement again. If I ever were to change Rahab's boss arena I would go with that approach: small arena around middle height position with faster animations and no water. The way he now is makes him just really boring. Yorick is only a so-so argument because souls can turn many bosses into better (or worse) experiences, so being reliant on one to be better overall is kinda a yikes in my book.
    Stray thoughts but I find Zephyr to be too slow as well as not having enough projectile patterns to be that interesting. Death did profit heavily from his new arena in Dawn of Dissonance, making movement more tight and carelessness punishing with high-damage spikes is something his huge bossroom sorely lacks (still a neat fight, tho).
    Overall Boss Tier Lists are a hard case for me because the dynamik, difficulty and fun-factor can fluctuate drastically depending on way too many factors. For example I vastly prefer the final PoR boss over most other NDSvania bosses but only because I literally forgot the manipulation for his battle. Fights like Richter in the same game got worse because he is easily susceptible to pattern manipulation. Somacula's second phase also suffers from having a safe-spot which allows easy dodges for all attacks. Not to mention which equipment and strats are allowed for each boss fight. Those can shift the dynamik heavily as well (for example Aguni becomes way easier and kinda boring if one uses 2hand-weapons because he can't really threaten you under / closely next to him). In the end I find it kinda problematic if one has to restrict themselves from using specific things (or, worse, having to avoid options) to have a good boss fight. Being able to approach things in different ways is a huge plus but if it ends up with "way too easy, boring or similar" I feel that's not something everyone wants.
    Anyway, I rambled on long enough. If anything me partaking in the discussion with a semi-long comment that does not include any form of discredit prolly shows that I enjoyed your video...which I did.
    Looking forward to more content, as always.

    • @JupiterClimb
      @JupiterClimb  2 года назад +3

      Thanks for the write-up! I'd say these are all fair points. My perspective is definitely influenced by speedruns; optimizing fights typically makes them much more interesting, since you can't rely on safe spots and have to worry about maximizing DPS.

    • @Exorion
      @Exorion 2 года назад +1

      @@JupiterClimb That's fair. I prefer level 1 hard mode runs without any clock, therefore safe-spots in any boss fight make them way more managable (but also potentially more boring) in such an enviroment.

    • @drakeishar
      @drakeishar 2 года назад +3

      I agree with almost everything you wrote. They should have given Menace Balore's or Gergoth's laser attacks. Phase 1 is just boring, Phase 2 only the spawns are dangerous.
      I hate Bat Company, never knowing where is its hitbox is really annoying. A hack with your idea of Dimitri should be very fun.

    • @drakeishar
      @drakeishar 2 года назад

      @@JupiterClimb Did you try killing Rahab with slime soul? I did during my first playthrough and it was hilarious. Poor fish.

    • @diegovelasquez3082
      @diegovelasquez3082 2 года назад

      @@drakeishar i

  • @georgemosidze1794
    @georgemosidze1794 2 года назад +7

    YES! I love gergoth. He is so fun

  • @dmas7749
    @dmas7749 2 года назад +1

    very interesting stuff, haven't played Dawn in a while but i've reached the ending a few times so i feel comfortable giving mine
    S: Somacula, Death
    A: Abaddon, Gergoth, Zephyr, Aguni, Bat Company
    B: Paranoia, Dmitri, Balore, Puppet Master, Flying Armor, Dario
    C: Malphas, Rahab, Menace,
    D: None

  • @nicoloenricorimoldi7425
    @nicoloenricorimoldi7425 2 года назад +6

    Circle of The Moon tier list:
    Good: Hugh
    Mediocre: Iron Golem, Dracula 1
    Bad: Everything else

    • @kirimusse
      @kirimusse 2 года назад +5

      Lol, imagine facing Carmilla without the axe subweapon.

    • @nicoloenricorimoldi7425
      @nicoloenricorimoldi7425 2 года назад +2

      @@kirimusse I did, somehow. It wasn't fun. Shoutout to the broken Cross subweapon (the flame shield DSS was useful as well).
      Now, imagine facing Dracula 2 without abusing any of the broken stuff the game has. I had to grind for the poison mist DSS combination to even win that fight.

    • @jotarobogard
      @jotarobogard Год назад +2

      I’d probably put Cerberus in mediocre too but agree with everything else. Dragon Zombie and Dracula 2 are some of the worst fights in the whole series.

  • @EinSilverRose
    @EinSilverRose Год назад +2

    Honestly I'd place Dario in bad. He's just not fun, wastes time and having to manipulate him to avoid down time is also not good.

  • @zacharyyoungblood7013
    @zacharyyoungblood7013 2 года назад

    I've only just started Julius mode, but from Soma mode Death was easily my favorite boss.

  • @vicio19995
    @vicio19995 2 года назад +1

    zephir should be excelent, as you can nullify all the time stop atacks with atacks and skill, so he does the ultra fast counter but again with a bit of skill you can evade that

  • @danhasretired
    @danhasretired Год назад

    I'd say that rahab's fight is good in bossrush mode if you use Agni or the holy water but dunno being only for bossrush mode is ye

  • @kenrubin813
    @kenrubin813 2 года назад

    This would be real cool if show the boss fights

  • @snames420
    @snames420 2 года назад +2

    I love your voice man

  • @monte8901
    @monte8901 2 года назад +2

    Sincerly, Rahab deservers that her boss stage, had some changes to make her combat more enjoyable.
    Waiting to her to go to the surface is very boring, maybe just, changing the stage or adding more moveset to her would make her more enjoyable!

  • @MudFan
    @MudFan 2 года назад

    I actually like Menace, it's a cool epic fight

  • @kageakiminato8536
    @kageakiminato8536 2 года назад

    I wanna see Yorick vs Rahab. I tried it but im bad

  • @kageakiminato8536
    @kageakiminato8536 2 года назад +3

    I really dont like how gergoths arena is 1 room wide, he barely fits in there. CVHD just feels so much more dynamic with his fight

  • @franc8023
    @franc8023 2 года назад +1

    that flying fish is too forced, is not relatable with the ambient, is just a big large fish

  • @Stroggoii
    @Stroggoii 2 года назад +1

    I think they didn't figure out how to make a good final fight until Aria but Chaos and all three DSVania final bosses are great.

    • @BknMoonStudios
      @BknMoonStudios 2 года назад +1

      I do like Dracula in Castlevania 3 and I'm a masochist for Dracula X's Dracula, unfair as it may be.

    • @Stroggoii
      @Stroggoii 2 года назад

      @@BknMoonStudios I meant in the MetroidVanias, the Classicvanias have neat final bosses in general.

  • @ingvarsuigin609
    @ingvarsuigin609 2 года назад

    Where can I see the yorick strat in action?

    • @JupiterClimb
      @JupiterClimb  2 года назад

      Here's a vid I recorded with the strat: twitter.com/JupiterClimb/status/1494479222320115713

  • @KittStargazer
    @KittStargazer Год назад +2

    I'm actually a little surprised with Gergoth being so high, always felt the size of his room and the size of the boss made it feel a little unfair as you don't really have a lot of room to maneuver around him.

  • @castlevaniaforever
    @castlevaniaforever 2 года назад +1

    Niveles de poder de castlevania order of ecclesia
    1 Drácula
    2 Eligor
    3 Muerte
    4 Albus
    5 Barlowe
    6 Goliat
    7 Brachyura (puede ser el más fuerte)
    8 gravedorkus
    9 Gran esqueleto
    10 Devorador

  • @ChaosMissile
    @ChaosMissile 2 года назад +1

    I think PoR did Zephyr and Agni much better. They're frankly quite easy in Dawn; I feel like PoR balances their attacks a bit better.

  • @castlevaniaforever
    @castlevaniaforever 2 года назад +1

    Niveles de poder de castlevania symphony pf the night
    1 Richter Belmont
    2 Galamoth
    3 Trevor Belmont
    4 Drácula
    5 Olrox
    6 Muerte
    7 Sypha belnades
    8 The creature
    9 Beelzebub
    10 Legión

  • @castlevaniaforever
    @castlevaniaforever 2 года назад +1

    Níveles de poder de castlevania circle of the moon
    1 Drácula full power
    2 Carmilla
    3 Drácula base
    4 Muerte
    5 Dragon Zombie

  • @akhandtripathipyz9888
    @akhandtripathipyz9888 Год назад

    Somacula,aguni and death are s tier in my opinion

  • @mammothplant
    @mammothplant 2 года назад

    came just to make sure gergoth was s tier

  • @luceatlux7087
    @luceatlux7087 2 года назад +1

    i had a huge collection of stuff in this game and all the fights eventually nearing instant kills (from what i remember).
    sigh... wish i hadn't had my system stolen when i helped someone...
    never trust certain types of people. they steal. it's just who they are, period. it doesn't pay giving benefit of doubt.

  • @Gore_Freemen
    @Gore_Freemen 7 дней назад

    Buer is abadons weaknesses

  • @castlevaniaforever
    @castlevaniaforever 2 года назад +1

    Níveles de poder de castlevania harmony of dissonance
    1 Muerte
    2 Cyclops
    3 Talos
    4 Maxim
    5 Drácula fantasma
    6 legión cadáver
    7 legión santo
    8 Diablo
    9 Minotauro bola de acero
    10 pazuzu

  • @PoochiPachy
    @PoochiPachy 2 года назад +1

    Smug fish.

  • @leonardovergara5620
    @leonardovergara5620 2 года назад

    Tau Warrior best boss.

  • @castlevaniaforever
    @castlevaniaforever 2 года назад

    Níveles de poder de castlevania aria of sorrow
    1 Julius Belmont
    2 Chaos
    3 Graham
    4 Muerte
    5 Balore

  • @castlevaniaforever
    @castlevaniaforever 2 года назад

    Niveles de poder de castlevania dawn of sorrow
    1 Drácula y Evil soma
    2 Amenaza
    3 Aguni
    4 Muerte
    5 Abandon
    6 Dario
    7 Dimitri
    8 Gergot
    9 Zephyr
    10 Paranoia

  • @nicoloenricorimoldi7425
    @nicoloenricorimoldi7425 2 года назад +5

    I have the opposite opinion about Death: he shines with Soma when you have more damage and better range, but with Julius and his gang he’s a bit of a slog, especially since he has basically two moves in his first form and your characters don’t have many good tools to face him.
    Somacula, meanwhile, has always been a lame boss to me. The first form is just the usual "Dracula first form" fight while Gaibon spectates the fight, while the second is just a recycled sprite of Dracula from Rondo that jumps, shoots larvae and sometimes makes a Harpy attack.
    Dario and Rahab are just bad and boring, in my opinion. They are too monotonous.
    I agree with the rest of the tier list.

    • @ShadowSaberBaroxio
      @ShadowSaberBaroxio 2 года назад +1

      I think you've switched the Siren (Harpy?) and Gaibon familiars. Gaibon is summoned in Somacula's first phase, the other is summoned in the second phase.

    • @James-oj6ru
      @James-oj6ru 2 года назад +1

      … until someone somehow mod Somacula to do shit like the Serio Fighter, giant axe twister is our Soma _(seriously, you think him having the ability of commanding all souls, he would have like… 5-10 moves?)

    • @nicoloenricorimoldi7425
      @nicoloenricorimoldi7425 2 года назад

      @@James-oj6ru The most hilarious thing about Soma’s boss fight is that the hilt of the axe wielded by a Great Axe Armor has a better hitbox than the miniscule butter knife Somacula spins around without success.

    • @ShadowSaberBaroxio
      @ShadowSaberBaroxio 2 года назад

      @@nicoloenricorimoldi7425 Imagine if Somacula used Aria's Great Axe Armor soul instead. Practically unwinnable boss fight, right there.That thing was fast and covered the entire screen.

    • @Exorion
      @Exorion 2 года назад

      Just wanna chime in and say that Yoko's Ice Spell deals pretty well with both phases of Death. If you stand right under him it hits twice (and for good damage), is relatively MP-cost efficient and even if you have to dodge you will almost certainly hit with one icicle. It's also pretty easy to do compared to having to manage melees and subweapons for both Julius and Alucard.

  • @theinterrogator1866
    @theinterrogator1866 2 года назад +1

    Rahab ugh