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Tyler you always do great work. The only thing that stands out to me is the rise of your stairs. I know codes are different in different areas. Where I am at 7 1/2 inch is maximum rise. When I do stairs I make the rise between 6 and 6 1/2 inch. This is easy for children and old people.
I'm figuring my stringers out right now. Code in my area limits max riser height to 7 3/4 inches. My deck height will be 26 inches, so I'll have 4 risers with a height of 6 1/2 inches.
The treated lumber varies in size a lot due to the swelling from the pressure injection of the preservative. Since the grain varies, the swelling also varies. Ethan using the screw gun shows he is following in his Dad's footsteps. Awesome! Also love the rest of the beautiful family helping. Where I live max step rise is 7.75 inches. To me 9 is kind of high. You have built a fantastic deck. Thanks for the great video.
Some great ideas there with the tread template, and using the offcuts to pre-set your joist hangers. And love the banter from your kids at the 12:30 mark! Great video.
Always always run a diagonal brace across the underneath. It makes a MASSIVE difference. If you can see the underneath then do the deck boards on a diagonal or inset a diagonal brace
Very timely. I'm doing the same project at my place. Your instruction on the stairs was top notch. In my case believe it or not I'm making the rise a mere 4.5 inches because my wife has trouble with taller steps. One question I had on your stairs is what to do where the stringers touch the ground. Seems like a place for rot the propagate.
Hi Tyler, Thank you for the video - are you just gona leave the stringers touching the grass like that or did you put something under it? please let me know, thanks!
You can also cut your 'inside' stringers runs down 1.5" in height and run a flat 2x10 across. It will build a stronger (top weight support) tread, still give you the backing for your miters and face screws and cut down on all that blocking.
Great work madman, real nice. I've adopted the practice whenever I lay in deck stairs that do not land on a concrete pad, I assemble the entire stringer set including a common foot board tying all the stringers together and then I lay them up them in place. The the foot board or common stringer plate helps combat any sag due to use and vibration. Using that assembly leaves those stairs and stringers rock solid, a very noticeable difference. Ya did a great job, your work looks great.
heaviest stair template in the world, check. awesome video though, just was laughing at the template. carpenters square and a couple clamps work great as well.
I don’t even want to talk about lumber in 2021. I had a rim joist that was 9 1/2 and the rest of the joists that showed up were 9 1/8. I didn’t realize until I cut them. They all came from same place at one time and I made the mistake of trusting
National Building Code, and the codes where I live, require a max rise of 7 3/4", with a minimum tread run of 10". Open risers should be no taller than 4". 9" or so, seems a bit much, especially for children and seniors.
Only concern 2 concerns I had were ( and maybe you did them but didn't show it ) were both dealing with the stringers. 1) Use stringers hangers or blocking on the rim joist to screw the stringers in, it will be 100% stronger than toeing them in. 2) Please oh Please tell me that you put some sort of padding under the the bottom of the stringers, and did not have them resting on the ground.
Aren't there better options rather than toe screwing a stringer in? I'm building a set now but I am a furniture maker not a deck builder. I am thinking of insetting a 2x4 into the back at the top of the stringers.
Wow, Tyler, that looks fantastic~! I wish that I had the skill/nerve to take on a project like that. Maybe one day. Our deck also has lattice concealing the undercarriage (about 36"-40" below the rim joist to the ground), but we're tired of that look, so we're going to take the idea from Brad at FTBT to upgrade to slats. It's a really great look. But again, love what you've done~!!
Looks great, but what did you do for the riser fascia board ends? Did you install a vertical piece along the edge to hide the open end of the composite board or some other trick?
Add your hangers after you have suspended your joist! especially with treated dimensional lumber! no shims, no planing! You should never bury your posts, they will rot! Your rise is a code violation! 7" rise is a very comfortable rise, composite treads look good but are dangerously slick when it snows , and keep in mind dark colored decking gets hot in the sun, to a point where you cannot go barefoot overall it looks good!
The variances in width are due to swelling of board during pressure treatment. It is not caused by sawmill cutting wrong width. How much/how little the board swells along the length of the board is determined by the grain of the board at that point.
Timely for me! Waiting on delivery of our Timbertech decking. How do you like that planer, is that the 18-volt Octane? Do you know if older Ridgid 18V batteries work on it?
At the steps, the end of the shorter inner tread board doesn't land on much. If you step on that area it will cave in. Nail some PT to the stringer to hold it up.
Hey Tyler, enjoyed your video until you simply toed in the deck stair stringers. Definitely not adequate support there. My builder did the same thing and after only 4 years I'm having to fix the stairs that are ready to collapse.
answer to the title of the video, Rather simple Composit decking isnt as naturally strong as its solid wood counter part hence the need for closer spacing to support the weight and stuff on it.
You should have tacked your joists in place first. Then added your hangers. You wouldn't need shims that way. I hope you also crowned cupped your lumber
Tyler, I haven't read any comments, but I was curious what state you live in. You must live in a state that has a bunch of giants, or I live in a state that has a bunch of short people. Because, the rise on steps can be as low as 4" and as high as 7-3/4" max. It used to be as high as 8" back in the day, but 9" is obnoxiously tall. Rule to live by, Don't follow what other contractors have done, they could be idiots. Have a great day.
Variations in the width are common with treated lumber. That's why I was saying to myself when I saw you nailing the joist hangers up using one scrap piece of blocking I was just saying this isn't going to work.
Your rise and run numbers seem odd. At least in my area a 9 inch rise is much to tall and would not pass code or be easy to climb for an older person. A tall rise like that removes so much wood that the stringer becomes to weak, to weak to pass code in my town. Maybe it's different in your area but you may want to double check the code book for what you are doing.
Seems like you've been learning as you go, youtube certified, hgtv approved...it's very well done, sir, but your production time must be abysmal. No offence, it's nice work for sure, but there's so many journeyman tricks, you could imagine;) keep it up, you'll only get better at it, faster
At 13 minutes Tyler's son shoots his sister to death with a stick. LOL! She dies like 3 times. Hilarious! This is the way we played as kids 50 years ago. And none of us became mass murderers.
If she thinks that stick gun was deadly, wait until she goes mountain climbing up those 9 1/8 inch riser stairs……. I’d love to know where he lives that he says 9 inches is code. I’ve never seen anywhere that allows more than 8” maximum.
Thanks for watching everyone! Noticed lumber prices are back down to earth when I grabbed the last load of material...to celebrate if you ever wanted to build any of my projects now is the time! Use the code FINALLY20 for 20% off any and all of my digital project plans!👍🏻
Tyler you always do great work. The only thing that stands out to me is the rise of your stairs. I know codes are different in different areas. Where I am at 7 1/2 inch is maximum rise. When I do stairs I make the rise between 6 and 6 1/2 inch. This is easy for children and old people.
9 inch rise is way to much!
@@shaunsmith7334 8.25" is the max in most code books, if not all.
I'm figuring my stringers out right now. Code in my area limits max riser height to 7 3/4 inches. My deck height will be 26 inches, so I'll have 4 risers with a height of 6 1/2 inches.
Yeah most building codes read 7" min 8" max. 9" is way to high.
The use of the cut outs off of your stringers for the miter supports is a igneous idea. I love that it is not wasted.
Looks great
On that variance in board width, that is exactly why I tack my joists and THEN install the hangers. I've seen as much as 1/4" in variance.
I have never seen that method for marking stair stringers before . Very creative thanks for sharing
Wow. Looking good. Glad to see the whole company helping.
Good video, I like the simplicity for people who never did them. It saddens me though how many people don’t use framing squares
The treated lumber varies in size a lot due to the swelling from the pressure injection of the preservative. Since the grain varies, the swelling also varies. Ethan using the screw gun shows he is following in his Dad's footsteps. Awesome! Also love the rest of the beautiful family helping. Where I live max step rise is 7.75 inches. To me 9 is kind of high. You have built a fantastic deck. Thanks for the great video.
9" was the tread depth I believe.
Thank you for this. I love how the kitten was playing around and climbing all over. LOL.
Starting those helpers young! Nice work brother
Nathan, I thought the same thing.
Yessir! My son is getting pretty good driving those screws, very helpful!
@@DIYTyler beautiful
Great job as always, Tyler! I can't wait to see the rest of the videos on the deck build. Hope you're doing well. God bless!
Thanks! You too!
Where is the concrete slab for the bottom of the stringers, this would never pass code in VA?
That cat is having a great time out there.
Nice deck and backyard!!
Good job Tyler. Love the wholesome videos. Hat tip to you and your family :)
That kitty kitty 🐈⬛ should have a supervisor's job. 🤣
For those stringers, there are ties/hangers you can use to secure them to the deck.
Some great ideas there with the tread template, and using the offcuts to pre-set your joist hangers.
And love the banter from your kids at the 12:30 mark!
Great video.
Great video Tyler It’s always nice to see a family working on a home project together
Always always run a diagonal brace across the underneath. It makes a MASSIVE difference. If you can see the underneath then do the deck boards on a diagonal or inset a diagonal brace
You have some of the best project videos. I always look forward to seeing what you are doing, learning and getting ideas.
Very timely. I'm doing the same project at my place. Your instruction on the stairs was top notch. In my case believe it or not I'm making the rise a mere 4.5 inches because my wife has trouble with taller steps. One question I had on your stairs is what to do where the stringers touch the ground. Seems like a place for rot the propagate.
Hi Tyler, Thank you for the video - are you just gona leave the stringers touching the grass like that or did you put something under it? please let me know, thanks!
You can also cut your 'inside' stringers runs down 1.5" in height and run a flat 2x10 across. It will build a stronger (top weight support) tread, still give you the backing for your miters and face screws and cut down on all that blocking.
Your max rise code is 9" !?? Holy crap! That 1st calc (7.3") was perfect in my opinion. You do great work btw.
Here in WA state average is 7.5 inch rise, 9 is very high for older people and small kids.
Great work madman, real nice. I've adopted the practice whenever I lay in deck stairs that do not land on a concrete pad, I assemble the entire stringer set including a common foot board tying all the stringers together and then I lay them up them in place. The the foot board or common stringer plate helps combat any sag due to use and vibration. Using that assembly leaves those stairs and stringers rock solid, a very noticeable difference. Ya did a great job, your work looks great.
heaviest stair template in the world, check. awesome video though, just was laughing at the template. carpenters square and a couple clamps work great as well.
If you want to use mitered corners and want them to stay even, just throw a biscuit in there and use composit/pvc glue/cement.
I don’t even want to talk about lumber in 2021. I had a rim joist that was 9 1/2 and the rest of the joists that showed up were 9 1/8. I didn’t realize until I cut them. They all came from same place at one time and I made the mistake of trusting
cool video thanks for sharing
Thank you
National Building Code, and the codes where I live, require a max rise of 7 3/4", with a minimum tread run of 10". Open risers should be no taller than 4". 9" or so, seems a bit much, especially for children and seniors.
9" is definitely going to be a surprise to new visitors but OH WELL, he went with it
Only concern 2 concerns I had were ( and maybe you did them but didn't show it ) were both dealing with the stringers.
1) Use stringers hangers or blocking on the rim joist to screw the stringers in, it will be 100% stronger than toeing them in.
2) Please oh Please tell me that you put some sort of padding under the the bottom of the stringers, and did not have them resting on the ground.
How would padding hold up in weather
Unless you live in a very dry, no bug climate, putting a concrete base under there makes a LOT of sense. Wood rots in dirt.
7" rise - 11" tread is the most comfortable step
stairs look nice, but your throat left on the stringer looks less than 5 inches which I'm assuming your using 2x12. Otherwise very clean work! 👍
show me brackets and close ups and stuff a little more during diys please, im here to learn
Stringer template rocks! But I couldn't see how you traced from the bottom.
Aren't there better options rather than toe screwing a stringer in? I'm building a set now but I am a furniture maker not a deck builder. I am thinking of insetting a 2x4 into the back at the top of the stringers.
How do you find the time!!! BEAUTIFUL WORK!!! Thanks again Tyler!!
My pleasure!
Wow, Tyler, that looks fantastic~! I wish that I had the skill/nerve to take on a project like that. Maybe one day. Our deck also has lattice concealing the undercarriage (about 36"-40" below the rim joist to the ground), but we're tired of that look, so we're going to take the idea from Brad at FTBT to upgrade to slats. It's a really great look. But again, love what you've done~!!
Looks great, but what did you do for the riser fascia board ends? Did you install a vertical piece along the edge to hide the open end of the composite board or some other trick?
Add your hangers after you have suspended your joist! especially with treated dimensional lumber! no shims, no planing! You should never bury your posts, they will rot! Your rise is a code violation! 7" rise is a very comfortable rise, composite treads look good but are dangerously slick when it snows , and keep in mind dark colored decking gets hot in the sun, to a point where you cannot go barefoot overall it looks good!
The variances in width are due to swelling of board during pressure treatment. It is not caused by sawmill cutting wrong width. How much/how little the board swells along the length of the board is determined by the grain of the board at that point.
Timely for me! Waiting on delivery of our Timbertech decking. How do you like that planer, is that the 18-volt Octane? Do you know if older Ridgid 18V batteries work on it?
At the steps, the end of the shorter inner tread board doesn't land on much. If you step on that area it will cave in. Nail some PT to the stringer to hold it up.
That big rise left very little meat below the treads
Why do you need a 3/16" gap between the deck boards on the stairs?
I cannot remember the last time I nailed in joist hangers.
Hey Tyler, enjoyed your video until you simply toed in the deck stair stringers. Definitely not adequate support there. My builder did the same thing and after only 4 years I'm having to fix the stairs that are ready to collapse.
Anything 7 x 11 should work for code from what I have seen. 9 is a bit tall…especially for us older types ;-)
Cat got a mouse
Thought trex requires 16 on center min
Correct, I should have said that the FIRST measurement was 17.5 on the opposite end of the joist....after that all 16". To keep everything straight.
@@DIYTyler I think Trex requires 9 inch center with stairs
Why do you use joist hanger on the rim or ban joist when theirs a lead bean right their under joist?
Load beam
answer to the title of the video, Rather simple Composit decking isnt as naturally strong as its solid wood counter part hence the need for closer spacing to support the weight and stuff on it.
You should have tacked your joists in place first. Then added your hangers. You wouldn't need shims that way. I hope you also crowned cupped your lumber
you just put the stairs in the dirt?
Tyler,
I haven't read any comments, but I was curious what state you live in. You must live in a state that has a bunch of giants, or I live in a state that has a bunch of short people. Because, the rise on steps can be as low as 4" and as high as 7-3/4" max. It used to be as high as 8" back in the day, but 9" is obnoxiously tall.
Rule to live by, Don't follow what other contractors have done, they could be idiots.
Have a great day.
No spacing between the miters?
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What to build cabinets out of?
You didn't show installing deck sleeves over handrail at bottom with outside posts. like to see how that was done.
Check the last video we just put out!
Good job and you also use your family too that’s great to sad.
Are longer screws stronger?
Variations in the width are common with treated lumber. That's why I was saying to myself when I saw you nailing the joist hangers up using one scrap piece of blocking I was just saying this isn't going to work.
What kind of screws do you use for the joists
You shouldn’t be using screws. They don’t have the shear value that nails do.
9:51 Code in New Jersey is 8 and 7 is perfect. 9 is like mountain climbing. HAA Really great work otherwise...!!
Not much point using joist hangers when the joist are sitting on a beam a few inches away.
More fastening and strength the merrier for me! A few bucks for a lot of strength
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You need a new robbie lol
Your rise and run numbers seem odd. At least in my area a 9 inch rise is much to tall and would not pass code or be easy to climb for an older person. A tall rise like that removes so much wood that the stringer becomes to weak, to weak to pass code in my town. Maybe it's different in your area but you may want to double check the code book for what you are doing.
joist tape?
Something different coming!
What’s your day job?
Doing the steps that high, you lose strength at the inside corner of the stringers.
Show riser fastening
Seems like you've been learning as you go, youtube certified, hgtv approved...it's very well done, sir, but your production time must be abysmal. No offence, it's nice work for sure, but there's so many journeyman tricks, you could imagine;) keep it up, you'll only get better at it, faster
then the naiks will not line up
Never terminate steps on grass or dirt. It's ridiculous.
At 13 minutes Tyler's son shoots his sister to death with a stick. LOL! She dies like 3 times. Hilarious! This is the way we played as kids 50 years ago. And none of us became mass murderers.
If she thinks that stick gun was deadly, wait until she goes mountain climbing up those 9 1/8 inch riser stairs……. I’d love to know where he lives that he says 9 inches is code. I’ve never seen anywhere that allows more than 8” maximum.
So many stringers because that plastic crap has no structural strength.