Honestly seems like a fun alternative way to play the game. The early route trainers/gym leaders can keep their preevolutions and basic move sets, the later ones have better moves. And the only real fundamental change to the game is now the player can't cheese battles through raw stats and having a level advantage. Crystal was the first Pokemon game I played and I feel like I still would've given this a shot as a kid, gen 2 is pretty lacking in challenge.
I noticed bugsy awarded 10,000 pokedollars upon defeat. It's interesting to see that the monetary award is indeed coded to match the leader's strongest mon instead of being individually coded.
Remembering that mudkip learns hydro pump as an ultimate move and envisioning the first rival battle just repeatedly devastating JRose’s team with the pressure washer
I believe the Gen 2 AI (and possibly other gens as well) have a clause where, if there exists a move they can go for that will kill, they WILL use it. Hence why the Spearow is so consistent about always using Drill Peck until Noctowl is at a high enough level to survive one hit, after which it switches to a more random move selection.
You're correct about the 'if a move will kill, use that move' thing, but it's deeper than that. In the case of Bird Trainers, specifically, they have an AI routine that discourages using any non-attacking moves, with no AI routines that encourage any of those moves, resulting in them always attacking every turn no matter what. There's a fantastic video by PiManRules in which he runs a tournament pitting all the Crystal trainers against each other, and he goes in depth on the various AI routines that the game uses in that video, if you're interested.
@@stompingpeak2043Pidgey is notorious for using Sand-Attack, so having Bird Keepers exclusively use attacks seems a bit counterproductive for ones who use that bird
Probably to minimise the annoyance Sand Attack causes, originally. At some point, it probably just became what had always been done, so they kept it in even though the pokemon stopped having sand attack.
Wow this was incredible. I wasn't expecting the gen 2 AI to be that much of a step up from gen 1, but this run really highlighted just how effective a simple change like locking them into attacking moves can be. Was really great to see Lanturn do some work, its a great Pokemon that for some reason, always gets overlooked.
If you haven't watched it, Jroses perfect crystal video from last month really highlights how good Gen2 AI can be if Game Freak gave the trainers better options to use
Given how over leveled Red is on basically any play through, getting the first try victory without much hassle was what I was expecting. The challenge is simply what if everyone is a slightly tougher Red, so what's one more, especially that one Red you're actually used to dealing with? It was still great to see, and trouncing Red is a well earned victory lap to the challenge.
Man, I don't know how I can thank you enough. I was having problems sleeping, but in 2020, I discovered your channel and started watching your videos. Until now, I have not been able to sleep without playing one of your playlists. My wedding will be in January, and I don't know how I can explain that to my wife when I want to sleep 😂😂😂
This is like the one time Silver's dialogue about his pokemon being stronger than yours makes sense. Especially him calling out yours for being weak just after defeating his max level team.
In the last 5 years I've lived in three different places. I've gone under so many changes in my life, so many stressful situstions and no matter what, your videos have always been there to enjoy and relax myself. Jrose, thank you for how much you helped me without you even realising it.
I’m so glad you included your reactions and chats at the big moments. That’s the main reason I started watching your streams in addition to the RUclips highlights!
For the Substitute dilemma at 1:18:18 - there's a Schoolboy on Route 38 with a Mr. Mime that's at the right level to know Substitute. If it does have it, maybe that could have worked for Sketch? Great run either way!
I judt want to take a moment to thank Jrose for uploading videos of such extremly high quality. You make my day every time I see an video of yours. Thank you for beeing here and making youtube worth watching
Only just up to the Whitney fight, and I've gained a new appreciation for two things in this game; 1.Noctowl is an absolute UNIT 2. DC Rollout is stupidly busted
I feel like I kinda grew tired of only one pokemon challenges (i also watch other youtubers doing it so it might be that) so i'm REALLY enjoying these new challenges you're doing, I felt really excited when I saw the notification of this one! I hope you'll keep going with challenges like these :)
Awesome video! Loved the cut-aways to your reactions, that was really awesome! I'd 100% love watching the Kanto section in a separate video, this challenge is really cool!
@@christophe5335 Well, I would, the problem-solving aspect of this run was the most entertaining part for me. There's plenty of streamers that upload the entirety of their absurd runs on secondary channels and people still watch. I was hoping Jrose was willing to create such a channel for this kind of stuff, I know it's extra work but it can't hurt.
Me, out loud to myself: Why minimize over substitute...? Jrose, seconds later: You might be wondering, 'Jrose why not just use substitute?' Me: He's a witch
Clutch skiploom. I remember the first time i realized grass FINALLY had an above average speed mon in the hoppip line. Grass is plagued with ALL slow as rocks mons in gen 1. Such an underrated little troll, i took her to the e4 and solo carved my way through lance with sleep seed
42:20 - That really depends on which part of the Single Player section you're talking about. Battle Towers, World Tournament in BW2 and Gym Leaders and Elite Four in BDSP are very competitive oriented matches, so beating them can indicate you are good enough for competitive play as well, if you go for the optimal strategy of course. Overall excellent video once again dude.
Wow Jrose. I don't know someone that has more patients than you. I watched the whole way and I have watched every single one of your videos. Great work!
To be fair, you did prove that your pre-Smeargle team COULD have eventually won against Lance, given that if Aerodactyl didn't wake up from sleep when it did, Lapras could have finished that up. So, because that came down to luck, anyway, Minimize was just, ironically enough, a more consistent strategy. And Smeargle wasn't even needed for Red! So the spirit of the rule remained, really, and it really doesn't detract at-all from how impressive this run was. Kinda wild to see that Gen 2 is so much more difficult for this challenge, but it also makes a bit of sense, if you think about it: Johto is famously the most underleveled region, really, so it's buffed the MOST by increased trainer levels. Whereas the Kanto postgame would be much less buffed-- as we see with the first try Red, where no real luck was needed. Very cool to see, and also very entertaining to compare with the Kanto run; in fact, comparing how each 'mon does in solo runs is half the fun of those, as well, so it's neat to see comparative elements in the other types of challenge runs, too. Either way, though, what a grueling challenge!
I watch your channel for about two years now, and all I can say is that i am amazed by all the work! Congratulations Btw your soundtrack is as awesome as your videos!
Thank you for always creating such amazing videos. It’s a great day when I see a notification for new Jrose videos. Definitely want to see part three!!
FMS: Four-Moveslot-Syndrome. Aka: having too many good moves and needing them for different things. Another fun pokemon syndrome is AMFADS (All-My-Friends-Are-Dead-Syndrome) which refers td bulky walls in doubles that lack any way of threatening the opponent effectively. This leads to both the opponent's pokemon repeatedly walloping all the wall's friends instead
Hey jrose, just wanna say thanks for making all your videos! I'm still on about number 60 of the red and blue solo runs but you can bet I'm going to watch all 151 because they're fantastic!
I think it's kind of crazy how you can take the same basic concept, do it for like probably over a hundred fucking videos now, and still have it be genuinely interesting and fun to watch. Just goes to show that you are an actual good content creator
as a huge jumpluff fan i've been enjoying seeing it get so much of a spotlight in your recent videos. it was always pretty bad competitively before it got acrobatics and u-turn and later strength sap, and even then it still doesn't see any use outside of the lowest tiers, so it's cool to still see it being used for something in these early gens.
It's funny, as I was watching the Lance battle, I decided to check Substitute availability since it's such a free win, and a few seconds later you brought it up.
I really, really, really love watching your vids. Especially the really long ones. You have incredible tenacity when it comes to these challenges and your strategic thinking is very enjoyable. Keep it up, 100 years Jrose11
You're just so relatable, JRose. Like listening to your process is fun. Beyond fun. How else could you watch hundreds of hours of someone else playing a video game 😂
46 irl hours, man what a headache, good job Fainting the Lapras with Parish Song to not get the Blastoise exp and level up was a pretty clutch and cool ending too
Ngl I’m a bit disappointed you didn’t make this a two parter and instead jumped straight into Red. It’s just that your content is so good man, I want more.
Finally a fix for the Johto level curve issue
Went from a shallow curve to a maxed out flat plane
More like a Himalayan plateau now.
Honestly seems like a fun alternative way to play the game. The early route trainers/gym leaders can keep their preevolutions and basic move sets, the later ones have better moves. And the only real fundamental change to the game is now the player can't cheese battles through raw stats and having a level advantage.
Crystal was the first Pokemon game I played and I feel like I still would've given this a shot as a kid, gen 2 is pretty lacking in challenge.
@@misteral9045The only challenge is the league and only if you've used many different Pokémon, because you'll be underleveled.
@@CottidaeSEA Those are not challenges.
I noticed bugsy awarded 10,000 pokedollars upon defeat. It's interesting to see that the monetary award is indeed coded to match the leader's strongest mon instead of being individually coded.
Yup, every trainer class has a certain base money value coded which then gets multiplied or something by the highest levelled pokémon.
Yooo that's crazy
I figured this out as a kid after beating the league for the 100th time
I never knew this, I thought each trainer was just individually coded. I learned something new today!
And he still ran out of money 😂
it boggles the mind how just how entertaining Jrose can make a 24 year old gameboy game
It's pokemon the first few are the best anyhow after that they just pushed em out with less features every gen to make that money
24 years old 😅 a quarter of a century makes me feel pretty damn old 😂
Madness how this games 24 years old my daughter is 6 and plays Pokémon crystal with me
Ugh you didn't have to remind me how old I am xD game came out when I was 9 cry 😭😭😭
Man I remember getting Pokémon Silver for Christmas of 99.
First time Youngster Joey's Rattata actually is in the top percentage of Rattata.
It is usually. It has almost maxed out IVs. We just dont get to see it above level 45 and hes an early game trainer.
@@ThatOneWeirdFlex there are no ivs
@@VisceralSupremethere are none available for US to see.
My immediate reaction was "Why does he do this to himself" forgetting where I was for a minute.
I came here because of his Magikarp vids. We know he's a masochist.
This is the guy who has tried multiple Karp runs, multiple pacifist runs, multiple no XP runs, and a Ditto run. This is normal now.
Don’t forget abra with only physical moves.
Now im excited to see gen 3 and onwards of this challenge. It's going to be a lot of fun
Gen 3 was insane.
@@Jrose11 so you already did it? :)
@@Jrose11 oh now we wait.............
Remembering that mudkip learns hydro pump as an ultimate move and envisioning the first rival battle just repeatedly devastating JRose’s team with the pressure washer
SmallAnt already did Gen 6, though he had a slightly different set of rules, so I'd be interested to see Jrose's take on it.
I believe the Gen 2 AI (and possibly other gens as well) have a clause where, if there exists a move they can go for that will kill, they WILL use it. Hence why the Spearow is so consistent about always using Drill Peck until Noctowl is at a high enough level to survive one hit, after which it switches to a more random move selection.
You're correct about the 'if a move will kill, use that move' thing, but it's deeper than that. In the case of Bird Trainers, specifically, they have an AI routine that discourages using any non-attacking moves, with no AI routines that encourage any of those moves, resulting in them always attacking every turn no matter what. There's a fantastic video by PiManRules in which he runs a tournament pitting all the Crystal trainers against each other, and he goes in depth on the various AI routines that the game uses in that video, if you're interested.
@@milsharkiehow people have learned all this is kinda incredible tbh
Can't wait for a "level 100, status-moves only, without taking damage" run.
That’s absolutely horrific nanu, thank you for the nightmare
There are some forms of masochism that even Poke-tubers like Jrose will refuse to engage in. This one crosses multiple lines.
...With only a Weedle
@@gmsloepWhen the idea well runs low, why not suffer even more for increasingly diminished returns?
you forgot "no exp"
That Smeargle moveset is the stuff nightmares are made off.
Bird keepers have always had max aggression AI in every Pokémon generation for whatever reason, I really don’t know why
Because birds are aggressive jerks, actually.
What else can they do? Play defensive? All the birds in pokemon are typically attackers with good physical attack and speed.
@@stompingpeak2043Pidgey is notorious for using Sand-Attack, so having Bird Keepers exclusively use attacks seems a bit counterproductive for ones who use that bird
Probably to minimise the annoyance Sand Attack causes, originally.
At some point, it probably just became what had always been done, so they kept it in even though the pokemon stopped having sand attack.
Literally bird nature
The way you said “Because I’ve had to battle Bruno about 50 times” made me straight up laugh out loud by myself
Wow this was incredible. I wasn't expecting the gen 2 AI to be that much of a step up from gen 1, but this run really highlighted just how effective a simple change like locking them into attacking moves can be. Was really great to see Lanturn do some work, its a great Pokemon that for some reason, always gets overlooked.
If you haven't watched it, Jroses perfect crystal video from last month really highlights how good Gen2 AI can be if Game Freak gave the trainers better options to use
Given how over leveled Red is on basically any play through, getting the first try victory without much hassle was what I was expecting. The challenge is simply what if everyone is a slightly tougher Red, so what's one more, especially that one Red you're actually used to dealing with? It was still great to see, and trouncing Red is a well earned victory lap to the challenge.
Yup agreed, the pikachu also kind of weakened reds team too, and snorlax too kind of they didn’t give jrose too much trouble
Man, I don't know how I can thank you enough. I was having problems sleeping, but in 2020, I discovered your channel and started watching your videos. Until now, I have not been able to sleep without playing one of your playlists. My wedding will be in January, and I don't know how I can explain that to my wife when I want to sleep 😂😂😂
It's fine man I'm the same. I use earphones in so she can sleep fine and then I can have a good sleep after watching a vid
This is like the one time Silver's dialogue about his pokemon being stronger than yours makes sense. Especially him calling out yours for being weak just after defeating his max level team.
"this battle is a really good illustration..." as Smeargle whips
In the last 5 years I've lived in three different places. I've gone under so many changes in my life, so many stressful situstions and no matter what, your videos have always been there to enjoy and relax myself. Jrose, thank you for how much you helped me without you even realising it.
The amount of patience you have is insane. If i lose a battle twice i get frusterated
I’m so glad you included your reactions and chats at the big moments. That’s the main reason I started watching your streams in addition to the RUclips highlights!
For the Substitute dilemma at 1:18:18 - there's a Schoolboy on Route 38 with a Mr. Mime that's at the right level to know Substitute. If it does have it, maybe that could have worked for Sketch? Great run either way!
This one was really fun! Thanks for going through all the frustration it must have been to actually finish that challenge.
"...and now we can TANK a tackle..."
That line just hits so hard (pun intended). Who would have ever thought we would say that?
Species clause is definitely a good call for this so youre not just using the same six or so pokemon over and over. It made things very interesting!
Please never stop doing these videos, they're so therapeutic for me and they fill me with nostalgia. Keep up the amazing work
I judt want to take a moment to thank Jrose for uploading videos of such extremly high quality. You make my day every time I see an video of yours. Thank you for beeing here and making youtube worth watching
"you know I like to make things hard"
picks Chicorita
yes, the official hard mode starter
Perish Song to force out Houndoom and sleep it on the switch was a big brain play if I ever saw one. Well played!
Only just up to the Whitney fight, and I've gained a new appreciation for two things in this game;
1.Noctowl is an absolute UNIT
2. DC Rollout is stupidly busted
Awesome video! Your persistance never ceases to amaze me 👍
incredible how toxic and leftovers made a huge difference in the end
Yall don't disappoint with your Pokemon challenges.
I feel like I kinda grew tired of only one pokemon challenges (i also watch other youtubers doing it so it might be that) so i'm REALLY enjoying these new challenges you're doing, I felt really excited when I saw the notification of this one! I hope you'll keep going with challenges like these :)
Discovered you last year and just wanted to say how much I love your content! I hope you have as much fun making it as it is to watch!
Dude!?!?! Just about to take a hour and a half car ride and now I have something to listen to! Thanks Jrose!
Be safe on the road!
@@MorganTillerwill do, thank you!
"Man I'm tired I should probably find a video on RUclips and pass out"
*sees Jrose updated*
"Welp, there it is".
Thanks Jrose :)
I love how Lapras stayed in to die to its own perish song so thqtvit wouldn't level up to 51 and void that try at Red.
Awesome video! Loved the cut-aways to your reactions, that was really awesome! I'd 100% love watching the Kanto section in a separate video, this challenge is really cool!
These challenges require way more patience than I would be capable of. Kudos to you, sir 👏🏼
2:36
Seeing the rattata take his turn in between Jigglypuff being called back and Pidgey switched in was bonkers.
this is because the trainer selected Pursuit, you just didn't get to see it because the Rattata didn't wake up
i can't tell if you know what's happening and are just pointing it out, but in case you aren't it's trying to use pursuit but it's asleep
I just realized wouldn’t spore, minimize, leech seed and super fang be better? That way you could drain their health faster
Maybe but without agility all of Lance's pokemon would have another chance to attack smeargle after waking up so it probably evens out a little bit
This is a world with free healthcare, and your Pokemon retire at 50. How bizarre!
Imagine a Director's Cut edition of this episode where he goes through all the difficult non-important trainer battles he had to gloss/skip over.
Watching this live was some of the most fun I’ve had while watching Pokémon runs. Hope you will upload the complete footage someday.
I watched the first 10min and he already was at 32 hours, I don't think he can upload everything, and in any case who would watch it?
@@christophe5335 Well, I would, the problem-solving aspect of this run was the most entertaining part for me. There's plenty of streamers that upload the entirety of their absurd runs on secondary channels and people still watch. I was hoping Jrose was willing to create such a channel for this kind of stuff, I know it's extra work but it can't hurt.
There is a second channel (jrose12) he hasn’t uploaded much to it however
Me, out loud to myself: Why minimize over substitute...?
Jrose, seconds later: You might be wondering, 'Jrose why not just use substitute?'
Me: He's a witch
Clutch skiploom. I remember the first time i realized grass FINALLY had an above average speed mon in the hoppip line. Grass is plagued with ALL slow as rocks mons in gen 1. Such an underrated little troll, i took her to the e4 and solo carved my way through lance with sleep seed
42:20 - That really depends on which part of the Single Player section you're talking about. Battle Towers, World Tournament in BW2 and Gym Leaders and Elite Four in BDSP are very competitive oriented matches, so beating them can indicate you are good enough for competitive play as well, if you go for the optimal strategy of course. Overall excellent video once again dude.
Wow Jrose. I don't know someone that has more patients than you. I watched the whole way and I have watched every single one of your videos. Great work!
To be fair, you did prove that your pre-Smeargle team COULD have eventually won against Lance, given that if Aerodactyl didn't wake up from sleep when it did, Lapras could have finished that up. So, because that came down to luck, anyway, Minimize was just, ironically enough, a more consistent strategy. And Smeargle wasn't even needed for Red! So the spirit of the rule remained, really, and it really doesn't detract at-all from how impressive this run was. Kinda wild to see that Gen 2 is so much more difficult for this challenge, but it also makes a bit of sense, if you think about it: Johto is famously the most underleveled region, really, so it's buffed the MOST by increased trainer levels. Whereas the Kanto postgame would be much less buffed-- as we see with the first try Red, where no real luck was needed. Very cool to see, and also very entertaining to compare with the Kanto run; in fact, comparing how each 'mon does in solo runs is half the fun of those, as well, so it's neat to see comparative elements in the other types of challenge runs, too. Either way, though, what a grueling challenge!
This is crazy. Never thought this was a thing I'd watch but man was it a fun one. Looking forward to watching your other stuff!
I watch your channel for about two years now, and all I can say is that i am amazed by all the work!
Congratulations
Btw your soundtrack is as awesome as your videos!
I’m surprised that the god of Defense, Shuckle, didn’t make any appearance! Such a beast with toxic/sandstorm/protect moveset, But damn, great job!
As always, you never fail to impress with these challenges. Would be really interesting to see this challenge in Gen V or VII.
Thank you for always creating such amazing videos. It’s a great day when I see a notification for new Jrose videos.
Definitely want to see part three!!
FMS: Four-Moveslot-Syndrome. Aka: having too many good moves and needing them for different things.
Another fun pokemon syndrome is AMFADS (All-My-Friends-Are-Dead-Syndrome) which refers td bulky walls in doubles that lack any way of threatening the opponent effectively. This leads to both the opponent's pokemon repeatedly walloping all the wall's friends instead
Usually a good idea to isolate stuff like Grimmsnarl and Indeedee for that very reason lol
@@inizilla_fk7 honestly, Indeedee's expanding force and follow me are enough for me to double it depending on the circumstances
this is why Rage Powder exists
@@JJSquirtlethe circumstances being "Any time they use Follow Me" lol
@@kenjyn76 thx for catching the joke lmao
OH MY GOD, JROSE DROPPING A VIDEO AT A REASONABLE TIME FOR ME
I’m having this amazing birthday weekend and then I get home and there’s a JRose video!? Perfection.
This was the first streams I ever watched of yours. Been a fan ever since. I’m so happy to finally see the full video!!
For all of these trainers to have level 100 Pokémon with only the very weak wild Pokémon of Johto to train against? That takes serious dedication
Someone ship this man an honorary living Kadabra for his sacrifices
Awesome
57:37 A reverse Captain Kidd moment, lol. Deliberately sacrificing a Jinx to an Onix in a planned and thought out way.
Hey jrose, just wanna say thanks for making all your videos!
I'm still on about number 60 of the red and blue solo runs but you can bet I'm going to watch all 151 because they're fantastic!
Perfect upload time. Gonna fall asleep while watching 😊
The amount of patience this man has for our entertainment is simply incredible.
I think it's kind of crazy how you can take the same basic concept, do it for like probably over a hundred fucking videos now, and still have it be genuinely interesting and fun to watch. Just goes to show that you are an actual good content creator
Noticed a mouse cursor at 10:21. What was up with that?
I've watched this vid 3 times now , i'm still amazed by your dedication . GG WELL DESERVED WIN
Congratulations on your win, Jrose!!! I can’t wait to see how you’ll top yourself next time!!!!
This was amazing and I will watch it again (and again and again and again and)...
Absolute legend, thank you for this!
Absolute mad lad. I wouldn't have had the willpower to pursue a challenge this long. Congratulations!
Funny how Morty’s Haunter is able to successfully Mimic and use Wing Attack despite, yknow, not having arms.
Great video, nice job with the challenge, anyways, keep up the good work as always!
What a nice way to start the Day , when Jrose uploads. Also loving the new Thumbnails
That was incredible=)Thank you for the run=3
I actually watched this thumbnail be made!
Also great video, of course!
I feel like this challenge captured the spirit of the anime quite well. Actually training pokemon, shifting through different teams and strategies.
Great job Jrose this challenge was insane and keep up the amazing work
Here's a comment to show some love, insane perseverance there man!
Your videos are really cosy man, love your stuff, keep it up :)
as a huge jumpluff fan i've been enjoying seeing it get so much of a spotlight in your recent videos. it was always pretty bad competitively before it got acrobatics and u-turn and later strength sap, and even then it still doesn't see any use outside of the lowest tiers, so it's cool to still see it being used for something in these early gens.
Thank you JRose for another entertaining video, one of the only creators i can sit through a 45 min+ video
It's funny, as I was watching the Lance battle, I decided to check Substitute availability since it's such a free win, and a few seconds later you brought it up.
kudos to whover made the artwork. seriously. super cool.
Please do against all trainers LVL255. It would be much harder because all your pokemon would be LVL100 max.
You single handedly brought my love for pokemon back I love the vids❤
You literally have became one of my favorite RUclipsrs 😭
this is both bonkers AND bananas, bro
Oh yeah, this was the challenge where I got my VIP hahaha Nice video as always =D
I really, really, really love watching your vids. Especially the really long ones. You have incredible tenacity when it comes to these challenges and your strategic thinking is very enjoyable. Keep it up, 100 years Jrose11
You're just so relatable, JRose. Like listening to your process is fun. Beyond fun. How else could you watch hundreds of hours of someone else playing a video game 😂
"I know it's gonna fail, the question is why?" seems like a good life lesson/philosophy.
the level 100 challenge is gold - so many different pokemon, tactics and a unique challenge, love it!!
Seeing a new upload from you is one of the highlights of my life right now 😂
This video must have taken hours to cut nice work 🙏
Loving these challenge runs man! Keep it up
That was insane. I didn't think it was possible when you said you weren't going to lvl beyond 50. Gg man that was wild.
His Rattata really is in the top percentage of Rattata.
46 irl hours, man what a headache, good job
Fainting the Lapras with Parish Song to not get the Blastoise exp and level up was a pretty clutch and cool ending too
Ngl I’m a bit disappointed you didn’t make this a two parter and instead jumped straight into Red. It’s just that your content is so good man, I want more.