Exactly. You cannot force someone to respect you. That's like demanding an apology from someone. If you have to force it from them, it's not genuine so it's meaningless.
The morning after the vote, the vice -chancellor sent out an email demanding respect and announcing that he would be establishing a new team to enforce it.
When you have given respect (that you feel has been earned), what exactly are you doing? I'm not talking about your criteria for the earning of your respect. I mean the mechanism within the respect-giver.
You're so right. But it's hard to speak out sometimes. I think it very much depends what kind of area you live in. My close friends know my political opinions on everything but my wider circle is very woke and it can be scary to voice certain opinions infront of the mob, especially when it comes to the tran-gender thing. I know people who've lost jobs, friends and even children for talking about trans topics. It's a scary climate right now :(
@@formless4541 I dont wanna say "most" cos I haven't spoken to everyone I know about this subject but I know quite a few of them think its "unfair" to exclude trans women from women's sport. When I mentioned the advantage they said something along the lines of the advantage is lost due to hormone treatment reducing bone density?. And also "some cis women have natural advantages over other cis women and we don't exclude them so we shouldn't exclude trans women for the same reason." I do get where they're coming from but it just seems INSANE to be to not be able to admit males generally have an advantage over females in sport. 🤦♀️ I dont understand this strange need to completely erase the biological boundaries. I respect transwomen as women and will use whatever pronoun they want but I can't sit here and pretend being a transwoman is exactly the same as being a woman.
@@AngryPanda. Yep I was waiting for the testosterone angle and i got it! The question would then be "is testosterone proven to be the only deciding factor between males and females in sport?" The truth is there's far more to it than just a single hormone, and simply pumping yourself with steroids will not turn an average man into a world beater either. As for the other advantages they argue about if that's the case then why not abandon male female divisions altogether and make them all compete?😆
Do you seriously think most footballers want to take the knee? They’re being forced into doing it just as the spectators are being forced into watching it.
I'm a big fan of the American laws on free speech. At least as they were intended. Unless the speech is a direct and essential part of a crime (e.g. let's kill bill on tuesday as he's coming out of his trailer) then it's all allowed. It's a binary issue. If you give any ground you have lost it all, forever. And western civilization with it. In my country of South Africa we have political leaders frequently encouraging people to kill my ethnicity, and they do kill us. Still I defend their right to be a racists and a race baiters despite the consequences. Why? Because their free speech is my free speech. Stop being dumb. Learn your history and stop ruining everything in your delusional quest for perfection and virtue. All you really are is useful idiots.
- Stop voting for socialists. - Fix the death grip lefties have in the universities. - Start teaching kids why free speech is so important. (Need to sort out the unis first I suppose).
People lose their jobs & livelihood for holding an opinion while news presenters get a 6 months suspension which you believe may be a bit much! Perhaps you should be more forthright in condemning their blatant hypocrisy & remember how compared to normal people they’re lucky to still have a job
Same here in the US. Over and over again the people pushing fear and lockdowns have been caught flagrantly breaking their own rules. When California Governor Newsome was recently photographed with a group dining indoors and maskless, he was surrounded by some of the same medical professionals who helped shape his draconian covid policies. How are we supposed to take them seriously?
Actually I can confirm that someone I know got so offended and buttmad that they got three different types of Cancer (bowel, anal and prostate), one of their kidneys failed and, rather bizarrely, their balls fell off. Offense is no joke people!
The football club that said after fans booed the knee 'we are against all forms of discrimination and people like that are not welcome '! Oh the irony!
In terms of deciding on issues/opinions/theories, try this: Anyone can pose a thesis (opinion/theory). If it's self evidently correct and has no opposition it just passes. If it is controversial, an Antithesis is proposed. The two groups discuss and argue in a respectable manner. In the end, there is a vote and a Synthesis is come to, which may be a combination of both viewpoints. Welcome to Greece circa 800 BCE.
This is how things worked during communism in Hungary: if you dare to have a different opinion, you became an "enemy of the workibg class" and lost your job, etc. And to that it was enough to say something rubbish in a pub, beibg slightly drunk... and someone told the "proper people" you said something "wrong". Insane to watch the same thing happening in western europe, esp in Britain.
I am shocked that you guys think this is a victory, the speech code now will say "you must tolerate" which will be used by the "your words are violence and are killing people" crowd as a weapon (because if you're killing people then you're not tolerating them). You're fighting word games with people who construct words like "heteronormativity," the only way to win is not to play, by voting and cheering for a speech code you've played their game.
I'm boycotting football until they all pack this taking the knee crap in. I reserve the right to hold zero tolerance for all and anything I regard as bollocks. Also, I decide what and whom I respect--noone else. Long live the sovereign individual! Or was this always an illusion? Yes, without a written constitution we've probably never been free. Douglas, we need a written constitution--you're our only hope.
Fully agree with this except what Julia was saying about footballers taking a knee: you may not agree with them taking a knee, but the whole point of free speech is that they should be allowed to. Douglas hits the nail on the head on this one: (if) they get to take a knee, (then) the crowd gets to boo if they want to
The reason we have an issue with free speech is the same reason why we have an issue with violations of our rights during lockdown. And the solution to these problems is, was and will always be the Nations of Sanity project.
Disagreement is so important. I have learned more from those I don't agree with that I would ever learn from those I agree with. (Although I find myself laughing at those I disagree with more and more...)
We need a party to put into law a bill of rights with free speech at the top just for starters but have we got any politicians out there with guts honesty decency freedom and democracy at heart, ah well just a thought.
Douglas, Love your work! Please keep focus on the equality act as it (and the sex discrimination act) are driving much of the bullying and prejudice in our governments and education systems. I know what the equality act is but most people don’t. I know how it’s used and abused in Australia. I know how it’s driven significant quantities of ideologists into government and the judiciary in a small window of time! I still agree with Mr Peter Hitchens that England is finished. The ONLY way to save the west is to have these robust discussions, openly on a level playing field ... and there’s not a single western government willing to allow that. If I told you some of the stories (especially of overt mental abuse in education: of kids), you wouldn’t believe it... and I have audio recordings and handouts to backup that statement! We are in trouble, serious trouble. Rational discourse is the ONLY thing that will save us and the BBC and Australia’s ABC are diametrically opposed to rational discourse. (See ABC’s segment for why it’s OK to end the life of men... that takes an intense culture to even approach this level of intolerance).
Respect is won Not given. Its like commanding someone to "Like" something" That "academics" can possibly think this is possible says much about their academic capabilities. Cambridge.... Turing and Darwin us be turning in their graves..Laughing stock now
With the exception of ex yugoslavia, I see not any badly borders drawn in the balkans which have not been shaped after those bloody wars of the balkans attached to the 1stWW,? What exactly is the issue of those borders to be used as an example for free speech laws? And not the African borders for example which were literally drawn on a map, we won't say by who now anyway? I am really curious by the way what was exactly the point of the existing balcan borders to inspire such a parallelism to the free speech laws by Mr Murray? Indeed.?
Oh we have to respect other opinions now??? Oh lovely well I expect nothing but civility to anyone who supported trump or Brexit now, oh hang on that would never happen in a million years.
when Murray says 'in a piece I wrote for the telegraph'...and then defends 'free speech'...he has no sense that this is a contradiction in terms. When has the right wing press in England ever supported a wide range of opinion?
I'm not sure Sky News has been particularly draconian in suspending Kay Burley for 6 months, given that her actions completely undermine her position when holding politicians and others to account.
There was a chap in the 19c called Samuel rowbotham who conducted experiments on a six mile straight length of the Bedford canal. He wrote a book detailing the experiments and toured Britain where he apparently got the better of those who thought the water along that strength curved. He also proved experimentally that the earth is stationary. Im not sure if he respected his opponents - but he got the better of them in public gatherings. Haha. Remember people still believe that nasa put men on the moon.
"He also proved experimentally that the earth is stationary." -- No, he didn't. At best, he performed an experiment that supported his theory that the Earth was stationary. An experiment proves nothing on its own. The history of science is filled with experiments which "proved" things we now know to be wrong.
@@andrewhoneywell5244 in terms of Covid the scientists do. Advocating against masks will cost lives if people listen to the misinformation against masks. That is a fact.
@@andrewhoneywell5244 Only right at the beginning they have been clear about the use of masks for ages now. In fact the even came out today and advised people to wear masks when seeing family members over Christmas.
We cannot have equality in this Country until we throw off the yoke of Royal subjection and abolish, altogether, all claims to Nobility, whether ancient or modern. Academic distinctions should be subject to re-examination after ten years, no more than twenty. There are many academics, fortunately being weeded out, who got their Doctorates in the 1980s and 1990s who have not stayed abreast of Critical race theory, Intersectionality, and Transgender studies. Engeland Erwacht!
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Respect cannot be demanded, it must be earned.
Exactly. You cannot force someone to respect you. That's like demanding an apology from someone. If you have to force it from them, it's not genuine so it's meaningless.
Respect my authority : cartman
The morning after the vote, the vice -chancellor sent out an email demanding respect and announcing that he would be establishing a new team to enforce it.
When you have given respect (that you feel has been earned), what exactly are you doing?
I'm not talking about your criteria for the earning of your respect. I mean the mechanism within the respect-giver.
@@zenzombie72 Respect is an abstract concept so that's a long debate.
Its time the silent majority stopped being the SILENT majority
You're so right. But it's hard to speak out sometimes. I think it very much depends what kind of area you live in. My close friends know my political opinions on everything but my wider circle is very woke and it can be scary to voice certain opinions infront of the mob, especially when it comes to the tran-gender thing. I know people who've lost jobs, friends and even children for talking about trans topics. It's a scary climate right now :(
@@AngryPanda. what do most of them think about saying male to female trans have an unfair advantage in women's sports?
@@formless4541 I dont wanna say "most" cos I haven't spoken to everyone I know about this subject but I know quite a few of them think its "unfair" to exclude trans women from women's sport. When I mentioned the advantage they said something along the lines of the advantage is lost due to hormone treatment reducing bone density?. And also "some cis women have natural advantages over other cis women and we don't exclude them so we shouldn't exclude trans women for the same reason."
I do get where they're coming from but it just seems INSANE to be to not be able to admit males generally have an advantage over females in sport. 🤦♀️ I dont understand this strange need to completely erase the biological boundaries. I respect transwomen as women and will use whatever pronoun they want but I can't sit here and pretend being a transwoman is exactly the same as being a woman.
@@AngryPanda.
Yep I was waiting for the testosterone angle and i got it!
The question would then be "is testosterone proven to be the only deciding factor between males and females in sport?"
The truth is there's far more to it than just a single hormone, and simply pumping yourself with steroids will not turn an average man into a world beater either. As for the other advantages they argue about if that's the case then why not abandon male female divisions altogether and make them all compete?😆
We need to Clone Douglas Murray. With a hundred Murray’s the culture wars would be over! Lol
No clone Christopher Hitchens
@@trainerdisability now that would make my Christmas
Double Doug !
I'd clone Ian Dunt, Chris Grey, Jolyon Maugham and John Crace to start with.
If we cloned Douglas Murray we might have enough to go around for all the men and women who want to marry him! F**K it...count me in.
Do you seriously think most footballers want to take the knee? They’re being forced into doing it just as the spectators are being forced into watching it.
I'm a simple man. I love my beer and my football. I would though happily marry Douglas Murray and have him do me a personal hour daily podcast. :)
😂 made me chuckle
I'm a simple man. I love my beer and my football. I would though happily marry Douglas Murray and have him do me from behind for an hour daily. :)
There appears to be a queue forming to take Douglas's hand in marriage....men and women.....!
Hahaha ditto. I absolutely love Douglas Murray 😍
They want our repect, whilst slapping us in the face at every turn! Dream on! You want it YOU EARN IT!
Douglas is the bloody lad!! He’s the boy!!!!
...... and he’s soooo bloody hot it’s unreal! 😘
Marry me Douglas??!! 😘😘😘
Marry me too ❤️
He is looking quite buff these days, and I'm a str8 guy! But I admire his intellect more :)
@@DavyMcKay No you are not
@@masterbate1983 Dafuq Dude!
@@AJ-hi9fd marry me and I’m a woman would love him
So wish that Hitch was still around to voice his opinion on this.
The smart one is still alive.
TEC B I'm sure there are plenty who would disagree, I like Peter too.
Christopher and Douglas became close friends in the last years of Hitchen's life.
Hitchen's review of Murray's first book said it was 'masterful'.
@@tecb2301 Stupid and ignorant comment.
@Whatever Dude no, I was against war in the middle east :)
What can be done to strengthen free speech?
Hack in to the BBC network 🤷♀️
Produce a Written constitution enshrining our rights in law.
I'm a big fan of the American laws on free speech. At least as they were intended. Unless the speech is a direct and essential part of a crime (e.g. let's kill bill on tuesday as he's coming out of his trailer) then it's all allowed. It's a binary issue. If you give any ground you have lost it all, forever. And western civilization with it.
In my country of South Africa we have political leaders frequently encouraging people to kill my ethnicity, and they do kill us. Still I defend their right to be a racists and a race baiters despite the consequences. Why? Because their free speech is my free speech. Stop being dumb. Learn your history and stop ruining everything in your delusional quest for perfection and virtue. All you really are is useful idiots.
- Stop voting for socialists.
- Fix the death grip lefties have in the universities.
- Start teaching kids why free speech is so important. (Need to sort out the unis first I suppose).
Stop “big brother” from deciding what can be spoken....
People lose their jobs & livelihood for holding an opinion while news presenters get a 6 months suspension which you believe may be a bit much! Perhaps you should be more forthright in condemning their blatant hypocrisy & remember how compared to normal people they’re lucky to still have a job
How filtered is Murray’s picture in this, he’s back on grinder
He’s aging in reverse
His Horvath Clock must be about 20 by now!
The curious case of Benjamin Bummin’
Whenever looking at free speech, one has to err on the side of freedom.
It's not the hypocrisy. It's that those who are best informed seem to have no fear of the bogeyvirus.
Same here in the US. Over and over again the people pushing fear and lockdowns have been caught flagrantly breaking their own rules. When California Governor Newsome was recently photographed with a group dining indoors and maskless, he was surrounded by some of the same medical professionals who helped shape his draconian covid policies. How are we supposed to take them seriously?
Don't knock semantics. A lot of people love and thrive on nuance. Accuracy is essential when developing nuance.
And then many shall be offended and shall betray and hate each other.
JHB needs to learn about the American constitution. TDS is strong in this one
We know all this, we've been discussing it for a few years now. What can we do about it?
Come up with a solid alternative.
Can anyone tell me what happens too you when you get offended?
You cry a lot and go to the police to claim a hate crime 🤣🤣
It starts snowing
Nothing
Actually I can confirm that someone I know got so offended and buttmad that they got three different types of Cancer (bowel, anal and prostate), one of their kidneys failed and, rather bizarrely, their balls fell off. Offense is no joke people!
Oxboll19 best comment! You've put a massive smile on my face!😂
Go on, Duggles!
Duggles !!! 😅
"Witch Finder General" . Now that's funny.
But ... they only voted for "tolerate" because they don't want to have to respect conservative views.
The football club that said after fans booed the knee 'we are against all forms of discrimination and people like that are not welcome '! Oh the irony!
I love this gay guy he's so intelligent xx
I’m wondering why you need to mention his sexuality?
Douglas is my favourite.
In terms of deciding on issues/opinions/theories, try this: Anyone can pose a thesis (opinion/theory). If it's self evidently correct and has no opposition it just passes. If it is controversial, an Antithesis is proposed. The two groups discuss and argue in a respectable manner. In the end, there is a vote and a Synthesis is come to, which may be a combination of both viewpoints. Welcome to Greece circa 800 BCE.
This is how things worked during communism in Hungary: if you dare to have a different opinion, you became an "enemy of the workibg class" and lost your job, etc. And to that it was enough to say something rubbish in a pub, beibg slightly drunk... and someone told the "proper people" you said something "wrong". Insane to watch the same thing happening in western europe, esp in Britain.
Always talks 3x more than her guests I was hoping that at least with Douglas there would be change but no
Thank you for the public recognition that the Balkans borders are badly drawn. I completely agree how much the freedom of speech is stifled.
Laws mean nothing when they become pathetic and ridiculous !
We it seems these students aren't as daft as we thought
Probably
I am shocked that you guys think this is a victory, the speech code now will say "you must tolerate" which will be used by the "your words are violence and are killing people" crowd as a weapon (because if you're killing people then you're not tolerating them). You're fighting word games with people who construct words like "heteronormativity," the only way to win is not to play, by voting and cheering for a speech code you've played their game.
The right to freedom of speech trumps the right to be offended.
I'm boycotting football until they all pack this taking the knee crap in. I reserve the right to hold zero tolerance for all and anything I regard as bollocks. Also, I decide what and whom I respect--noone else. Long live the sovereign individual! Or was this always an illusion? Yes, without a written constitution we've probably never been free. Douglas, we need a written constitution--you're our only hope.
Fully agree with this except what Julia was saying about footballers taking a knee: you may not agree with them taking a knee, but the whole point of free speech is that they should be allowed to.
Douglas hits the nail on the head on this one: (if) they get to take a knee, (then) the crowd gets to boo if they want to
It's fine, I'm OK with exercising my rights via extreme violence towards State people
mi6 are watchin g
@@djdoolittle1315
MI5, surely?
The reason we have an issue with free speech is the same reason why we have an issue with violations of our rights during lockdown. And the solution to these problems is, was and will always be the Nations of Sanity project.
Disagreement is so important. I have learned more from those I don't agree with that I would ever learn from those I agree with. (Although I find myself laughing at those I disagree with more and more...)
JHB seeming suspect
We need a party to put into law a bill of rights with free speech at the top just for starters but have we got any politicians out there with guts honesty decency freedom and democracy at heart, ah well just a thought.
Absolutely love this guy. Watched Matrix last night, Douglas and Trinity could be identical twins. Go and check it out....
Douglas,
Love your work! Please keep focus on the equality act as it (and the sex discrimination act) are driving much of the bullying and prejudice in our governments and education systems.
I know what the equality act is but most people don’t. I know how it’s used and abused in Australia. I know how it’s driven significant quantities of ideologists into government and the judiciary in a small window of time!
I still agree with Mr Peter Hitchens that England is finished. The ONLY way to save the west is to have these robust discussions, openly on a level playing field ... and there’s not a single western government willing to allow that.
If I told you some of the stories (especially of overt mental abuse in education: of kids), you wouldn’t believe it... and I have audio recordings and handouts to backup that statement!
We are in trouble, serious trouble. Rational discourse is the ONLY thing that will save us and the BBC and Australia’s ABC are diametrically opposed to rational discourse. (See ABC’s segment for why it’s OK to end the life of men... that takes an intense culture to even approach this level of intolerance).
Respect is won Not given. Its like commanding someone to "Like" something" That "academics" can possibly think this is possible says much about their academic capabilities. Cambridge.... Turing and Darwin us be turning in their graves..Laughing stock now
I'll respect your right to free speech, but I won't always respect your opinion.
Aww, commercial interrupted. 2 of em. Not enchanted enough by the writings nor opinions of JK Rowling to wait them out. Pity.
With the exception of ex yugoslavia, I see not any badly borders drawn in the balkans which have not been shaped after those bloody wars of the balkans attached to the 1stWW,?
What exactly is the issue of those borders to be used as an example for free speech laws? And not the African borders for example which were literally drawn on a map, we won't say by who now anyway?
I am really curious by the way what was exactly the point of the existing balcan borders to inspire such a parallelism to the free speech laws by Mr Murray? Indeed.?
What's exactly wrong with the borders on Balkans? Isn't it more relevant to talk about the borders in Brexit Britain?!
Dunno if the thumbnail is from Douglas' PR agency or something but it looks so ridiculously airbrushed.
The thumbnail is a CGI picture of a guy that looks like a pop-trash philosopher I saw on RUclips before
Oh we have to respect other opinions now??? Oh lovely well I expect nothing but civility to anyone who supported trump or Brexit now, oh hang on that would never happen in a million years.
when Murray says 'in a piece I wrote for the telegraph'...and then defends 'free speech'...he has no sense that this is a contradiction in terms. When has the right wing press in England ever supported a wide range of opinion?
They want a nation of Jedwards..😂
🏁Cancel F1 to bring an end to racism, football players are racist. Women are better at Football.
American sports suck this year, too. We get preached at during the game and during the adverts.
Go and search ‘Traditional Britain group’
Respect others opinions...
Ok, I don't respect your opinion...
Reeeeeee
👍
Too many fucking commercials.
Julia and Douglas, deadly common sense combo ❤
I'm not sure Sky News has been particularly draconian in suspending Kay Burley for 6 months, given that her actions completely undermine her position when holding politicians and others to account.
That airbrushed pic in the thumbnail is terrible.
Does dougie no justice at all.
Beth Rigby auditioning for Witchfinder General 😂😂😂😂😂👍
A penalty was not hard enough everybody else is had to suffer when they’ve been found out especially the public so she should be sacked
And like the Balkans if we don’t stop arguing with each other, who knows where we might end up?
Julia is a beast.
A new dark age has arrived
Did you end this under orders? Was he going somewhere fearful?
Dr Arif Ahmed is a top bloke. Brilliant result.
The result: Global verbal Balkan Jazz. Doug probably laughs at this. Taleb prices the bet at -$125
Brilliant 👏👏
Old video upload!
Douglas for PM
No...dont ruin him!
There was a chap in the 19c called Samuel rowbotham who conducted experiments on a six mile straight length of the Bedford canal. He wrote a book detailing the experiments and toured Britain where he apparently got the better of those who thought the water along that strength curved. He also proved experimentally that the earth is stationary. Im not sure if he respected his opponents - but he got the better of them in public gatherings. Haha. Remember people still believe that nasa put men on the moon.
"He also proved experimentally that the earth is stationary." -- No, he didn't. At best, he performed an experiment that supported his theory that the Earth was stationary. An experiment proves nothing on its own. The history of science is filled with experiments which "proved" things we now know to be wrong.
You can respect someone's opinion without agreeing with them!
You can and everyone respects disagreements. Except when they are dangerous like Covid misinformation racist sexist or whatever
@@bobmarleyno.1467 who decides what is dangerous?
@@andrewhoneywell5244 in terms of Covid the scientists do. Advocating against masks will cost lives if people listen to the misinformation against masks. That is a fact.
@@bobmarleyno.1467 I thought even the WHO had been inconsistent in its recommendation of mask use?
@@andrewhoneywell5244 Only right at the beginning they have been clear about the use of masks for ages now. In fact the even came out today and advised people to wear masks when seeing family members over Christmas.
When you consider how much Johnson has buggered up this country with Covid and his Brexit culture war this debate sounds so silly.
Murray´s photographer knows a narcissist when he sees one.
Or the team searching for the next James Bond....!
Flat earth...
We cannot have equality in this Country until we throw off the yoke of Royal subjection and abolish, altogether, all claims to Nobility, whether ancient or modern. Academic distinctions should be subject to re-examination after ten years, no more than twenty. There are many academics, fortunately being weeded out, who got their Doctorates in the 1980s and 1990s who have not stayed abreast of Critical race theory, Intersectionality, and Transgender studies.
Engeland Erwacht!
JHB is hideous to watch
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