I just want to add that, on top of everything else, Kevin only snaps out of the multi-cam world when the audience starts cheering for *her.* Just... chills 😭
I saw it just yesterday and I was so shocked. She literally stile the show from him and his narcissistic mindset was so startled by it that it quite literally collapsed his world. And then he was in her world for once, just like Neil was. Difference is that Neil could take reality, while Kevin couldn't
I like how when alison finally confronted kevin and left him, with him then dying literally 5 minutes later is like him finally losing his plot armour and finally facing real consequences for doing something stupid.
While Kevin isn't stereotypically physically abusive, I would argue that he still is physically abusive. We just never see Allison deal with that part of the abuse in the dramatic framing, likely because she herself doesn't know whether to call it abuse or not. Kevin's antics and schemes regularly result in Allison getting injured, but it's played for laughs and framed like a sitcom so it doesn't look bad. Creating scenarios in which your partner is regularly getting into 'accidents' is physical abuse, even if Kevin never put his hands on Allison directly. If these scenes were framed dramatically, things like Allison falling over a table or being hit with thrown objects would feel much differently than they do in the sitcom framing. This is why (imo) Allison remains in sitcom framing when Neil is choking her and doesn't get pulled back into dramatic framing until someone else is present in the scene. It's not just because Neil is part of Kevin's world, it's partly because Allison doesn't know how to process what's happening yet. Love your videos dude! Your first one on this show is what made me watch it ^^
He tried to hit her in the finale, I think he was hitting her the whole time but in the frame of the sitcom he could justify it by it being "an accident" so he could still feel like the good guy.
The way he always blamed her for the situations where she got hurt was very telling, too. Like with the door hitting her head and him saying, "I HAD to kick the door open because I was scawwed."
Whenever she hilds him accountable, we're in the sitcom, where he's the main character and her pain is dealt for laughs. She quite literally doesn't matter in that setting and so we laugh at her complaints for being the "nagging wife."
I think it's important to recognize that Allison is in fact a victim. She was at the hands of Kevin for years and when she finally breaks it's a build up of everything she was repressing for all that time, and yeah she isn't going to be a 'perfect victim' because no one is. She is a morally grey character and a lot of what she did was wrong but we can still see where she was coming from (even though it was pretty crazy) The flashback scene to her father's funeral is telling, because we get to see how her mother treated her, and see why she was drawn to Kevin in the first place. Dianne's story is very relevant because that is how a lot of abuse situations go: they try to get out, maybe even leave, but they end up back with their abuser and it is very, very messy. All in all this was an incredible show with great writing and I love that Allison and the other characters weren't just one dimensional.
The realest thing about her is that she is a flawed person (in an exaggerated way) but that doesn’t take away from her also being a victim. When people hear the word victim they think of a helpless person who could do no wrong. Their own lack of morality doesn’t take away from the abuse they can endure from others. It’s an interesting and very real topic that you rarely see done, and because of it I’ve grown to really appreciate this show more and more
Yeah, I was a bit confused about his idea that she is not a victim and his arguments didn't make any sense. Yes, she made the decision to kill her husband, yes she made the decision to fake her own death. But it's apparent that Allison is not of clear mind PRECISELY because of the fact that she endured 10 years of abuse. I'm not justifying her actions, but there is no denying she is a victim.
There’s a fantastic Easter egg in the finale where the actor playing Molly (Kevin’s new girlfriend) played the stereotypical sitcom wife in Kevin Can Wait, the sitcom that inspired the show. She was even killed off in between seasons which was heavily criticised in the press at the time. The actor said on Twitter following the release of Kevin Can F Himself that she was pleased to have been able to come full circle. I think it’s brilliant that they did that.
I thought the sitcom was the rose colored glasses that everyone has on for Kevin which is why everyone loves him while Allison can see the actually toxic and abusive man he is. You see one by one each of the other characters go to the real world once those rose colored glasses come off. You can see this with Neil who ends up wanting Kev dead too. You also see Patty realize how much Kevin’s actions are selfish and hurtful to Allison even though she was there to witness it all. The way they showcase an abusive relationship is very insightful
It makes sense to me why she married and stayed with him, I'll try to explain my thought process. Kevin is a bit of manchild and Alison is kind of neurotic. I feel like she probably found his carefree nature appealing towards the start and wanted that escapist, sitcom life but gradually got sick of his selfishness. In real life it's notoriously hard to leave abusive relationships and abusers often hide their worse tendencies until they think they've got their partner trapped so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even see his selfish side until pretty far into their relationship. Alison didn't seem to like Kevin at the start of the show but she only really snapped when she learned about the financial stuff and how deep Kevin's lies went. In my opinion that scene where it's revealed made him go from a selfish idiot to a deliberately manipulative and controlling person
I saw it the same way you did. She kept saying how much things would get better if she just gets him to the bank the next day. It really seemed like she saw him as unintentionally messing up. Like, "oh, he's harmless, he doesn't mean it. But *I* can fix this if I just try harder." But throughout the show I caught more times were he manipulated things to seem like they were her fault. And other times where she'd kinda defend him. Their dynamic was so well fleshed out in both the sitcom and the drama scenes.
Am I the only one who interpreted the show to be her a victim of DV? Like when the cameras are rolling an ab*ser can seem perfect or like a funny/ silly character (like Kevin comes off as this carefree silly character & the person you’d least expect it from. Then behind closed doors it’s dark & very different. At the end he said “I will f-king destroy you” if she leaves which seemed like his fake mask slipped of the “real Kevin” coming out.. it wasn’t him saying how much he loved her it was him saying how much he’d destroy her if she did divorce him.. maybe that’s just my personal interpretation of the show cuz ik many ppl have said completely opposites. IG that’s what makes a good tv show tho when there could be so many different interpretations of a series
I just binged and totally agree. From season one, Allison panics about how to hide a bruise from Kevin and Patty kind of scoffs and blows it off. But her panic was palpable. And when she was at the doctors, her arms were exposed for the first time, and she had light bruising all up and down her arms. Not to mention her own low confidence and self doubt and how that was directly from Kevin.
@@jacquelynsmale8079 And explains why the doctor and nurse were encouraging her to talk to someone. It wasn't because of request for pills, it was because of the bruises.
I totally agree! It was so telling when he kicked the door in her face so many cover ups of "I walked into a door" or something like that, it's played for laughs until Patty's reaction really cements the reality of it
I do love how allison as a true victim of narcissistic abuse also has her becoming a villain because of the way she victimizes herself. kevin is the abuser in their relationship but she creates her own problems as well because of how her self image has diminished in her marriage with him. it’s a good representation of how difficult it is to get out of these relationships without projecting it onto others or potentially facing more abuse.
Alison is not a saint & that’s made very clear but that don’t mean she not a victim. She absolutely is a victim of Kevin’s emotional manipulation/abuse, which is y it’s so hard for her to just leave in the 1st place. U actually weird af for suggesting dat her being a victim of her manipulative husband is all in her head.
It is and it isn’t. It’s basically learned helplessness. It’s hard for her to leave because she’s decided that she can’t leave. But doesn’t recognize her own agency in the that decision.
@@birdiewolf3497 yes n no. abuse has a way of shackling ya mind yes but dat dont mean it wouldn’t be real consequences if she jus up n left. Kevin is v vindictive,, just look at the way he reacted when she simply said she wanted a divorce.
@@bean4423 I never said it is free from consequences. Your choices can very well be staying or facing homelessness. That’s where the abuser is doing the abusing. But you can’t control what they do, you can control what you do! That is never something you should lose sight of. Kevin did react negatively and he was vindictive, if you think that’s worse than leaving, that’s your decision! I’m not saying it’s fair for Kevin to act like that or saying she is wrong to stick around because she doesn’t want to deal with Kevin’s reaction. But when you understand that you are in control and you are the one that makes the decision, the easier it becomes to create different options for yourself. Because if you realize you are making this choice out of fear of how Kevin will react, you can recognize you can make the choice to work around that fear or eliminate it all together or just face it head on.
@@birdiewolf3497 i mean yea i guess..? what does this gotta do w me saying Allison is a victim of abuse tho ?? no disrespect but i rlly don’t care to have a philosophical arg witchu when my original comment was v straightforward.
I really liked the show, and the ending was pretty jaw-dropping, and handled really well. Such a cool and creative way to tell this story, AND it made me fall in love with Annie Murphy (so I definitely have to watch Schitt's Creek now).
"That would make a statement, not a character" That line is just beautiful. If only more screenwriters nowadays would take more than a pacing glance at a message like that. Great stuff!
I wonder if the whole "sit-com" world is how Alison sees things when she is being emotionally abused. She enters sit-com world with her mum at her dads wake before she meets Kevin. The whole thing crashes into the real world in the last few scenes when Kevin enters the "drama" world and we see how he really is. All our realities are just how our brains interpret the world around us. Just a thought, great videos by the way.
See, I interpreted the sitcom set up as a narcissism metaphor. I think that it's actually KEVIN's perspective and his interpretation of reality. Kevin and Allison's mother are the 'lovable main characters' of their own shows and everyone else is the supporting cast. Their cruelty is harmless at worst, but usually hilarious.
The moment where it really hit me just how much Alison's side of the story was starting to resemble the Sitcom side was when they were in the back of the Police Car, and they were farcically trying to not give themselves away. It could beat for beat be translated to the other format and fit perfectly. And once I saw it, I couldn't stop imagining it with other scenes, how the two worlds were bleeding together. It was probably for the best that it ended when it did. Better to do all they can with the concept and end on a high than let it lose steam and fizzle out.
I actually think a third season would be a good idea because guys like Kevin will everything in his power to prevent Allison from divorcing him. And if she finally does it, he still will do everthing to make her life miserable. Men like Kevin can't bear a woman left them.
Yes she was! I think she kind of represented another way of having an abusive/controlling partner and Patty was just in the beginning of it. Tammy going "you'll learn to like it" and other things, I was glad when Patty decided to choose herself
Honestly its such a brilliant show, I'm so glad it got made. On an unrelated note Ive started watching Inside No 9 because of your season reviews on it and Im thoroughly enjoying it!
How it got made is still a mystery to me. I've been reading a lot of academic textbooks on the industry lately and basically everything about it just says to me "no one would greenlight this in a million years"
@@Stubagful Valerie Armstrong must've had some hot dirt on the AMC executives, either that or they were desperate to have something on their failing subscription service AMC+ that wasnt the Walking Dead. Either way Im so glad it got made and got the two seasons it wanted.
It's crazy how jarring real world Kevin was, his eyes weren't as bulging, his accent wasn't as thick, he was just so sinister it's no wonder Allison was afraid to leave him all these years she had no choice he even gave her no choice, but she could only do it after she grew and was able to stand her ground I was proud of her by the end.
I disagree on allison not being a victim. Victoms can be shitty people too. And the shows is very specific at showing how Allison is essentially trapped in this marriage. Kevin is abusive. We have allison tell patty how kevin fucked up her chances of getting a job, and we know kevin did this on porpuse. We know how he stole all the money they had been saving on stuid stuff. Allison is not good but she is still a victim. A victim that by the start of the season has no viable way of escaping. She has nowhere to go, no money nd no resources. She is only able to live after she gives up her whole life, which goes to show that yes, she couldnt leave before! Of course allison uses people and is a bad person. But i think the series is pretty clear on the fcat tht allison is indeed a victim.
One thing this topic made me really think about is how this concept of internalised victimhood is so hard-baked into the archetype of the main character as a whole. As the main character, we almost subconsciously expect to feel sympathy for them in their situation because they're not only the focus, but they're also the perspective in which the creators have chosen to present the world. If we as an audience can't relate to, connect, or sympathise with a main character, why are we even watching? There has to be that leeway. Walter White from Breaking Bad is an interesting example because of how he's presented through this victimhood, even though he's a murdering drug-dealer who prioritises his pride above everything else, we still feel sympathy for him because we're able to see where he comes from, and the bad decisions that lead to him becoming a monster. But here's the thing: he's still a monster. He still actively made those decisions. But because he's the main character and we're privy to his perspective, we prioritise him, for example, over Skyler. Walt was not only presented as some kind of victim, but he always saw himself as the victim, even when he had power, it was in some kind of just revenge or for his family even though it clearly wasn't. Bojack Horseman is also a great example of this, how Bojack is always the victim and can't quite bring himself to realise that the shitty things he's done HE'S done, not anyone else. And this is where this self victimisation bleeds over into the real world. Because when we're in a bad situation, or are the victim of someone else's bullshit, we view ourselves as the main character because we're the ones who turn inwards and have to struggle with it. We can't be in the wrong ourselves because we're at the grasp of someone else's negative decisions. Our consciousnesses and morals MUST be sound because the other person/people are so bad in comparison to it. But this mindset comes from the fact the other person/ people prioritise themselves, acting like how a main character would. Little do we reflect on our own agency. The way we twist other peoples lives and make them worse because we think we have the right to be the main character, the focus, the one everyone should care about, over someone else. Whilst Alison thinks she's breaking away from Kevins shitty sitcom world, she's really just entering her own. The gritty desaturated "realistic" drama has JUST AS MANY conventions as the live action sitcom format. Just because we are self reflective on our position does not mean we stop victimising ourselves. Even when trying to fix our bad behaviour, we still think of ourselves under the conventions of the main character who everyone should feel sympathy for and focus upon. When people think of themselves as the main character, its not because they are, its just an excuse we make up about ourselves to not take responsibility for our own actions and agency.
The most interesting part about this show is the many ways you can view it. - sitcom world is Kevin’s perspective, dark drama comedy is Allison’s perspective, both the main characters of their own shows they make up in their own heads due to their own narcissism, not realizing how they affect others. - sitcom world is how Allison disassociates from abuse, and when she finally faces him in the end with the perspective switch, it’s her facing the trauma head-on. - Allison represents a victim of abuse in its realist form (while still over exaggerated obviously). A victim of abuse can be a shitty person. They can be flawed, narcissistic, mean, etc but that doesn’t take away from them being a victim of abuse from another. It’s important to seperate how we view someone as a person to how unfairly they’ve been treated, which unfortunately doesn’t happen much in the real world and we get cases where people constantly mock victims of abuse for not being perfect victims. This show is really special.
Patty was always aware of Kevin not being as he saw himself, remember the first episode "there's no 'we' in that room" and then she explains he spent all their money. She wakes Alison up to what her world is like. Edit: Patty chooses to go along with it, to be part of his world, but se knows he is a childish spiteful POS. She says she is scared of him due to him.
I haven’t seen this show yet, 2 things I want to say about deconstructions in general is that predictability isn’t a bad thing and there is more to storytelling than a grimdark tone. If someone predicts the protagonists win and antagonists lose, that is not bad writing. Avatar: The Last Airbender had the protagonists win and antagonists lose most of the time and it’s one of the best written shows ever made. Game of Thrones had to stop using it’s unpredictable anti plot armor gimmick because a story can’t rely on the threat of characters dying forever and someone has to live to tell the tale if a fictional story isn’t going to focus on the afterlife. If everyone in Game of Thrones died in a Red Wedding event, now what? The reason the Storm Trooper aiming trope exist because if antagonists kill the protagonists, now what? Being grim does not automatically make a story good and more realistic. Yes, shitty things happens in real life but it's more realistic when people try to make things less shitty instead of just brooding about it. Tone is an important tool to a story that should be used to elevate other parts of the story instead of being the main focus. 1984 wasn't a good story because it was grim, it was a good story commentating on fascism and it's dark tone helped it's commentary on the corruption of fascism. BoJack Horseman wasn't good because it was grim, BoJack Horseman was a good deconstruction on sitcoms and it's grim moments were effective because it was deconstructing the flaws of sitcoms and commentating on toxicity of Hollywood. I hope BoJack Horsman doesn’t get terrible imitators like Watchmen. Game of Thrones grim moments stop having impact because the show felt too self-indulgent about being grim to make the grim moments have impact. The Netflix show Hilda is better at using tone than grimdark stories because having an overall light hearted tone is not a bad thing. Hilda depressing episodes The Fifty Year Night & The Deerfox have more of an impact because the tone is used a tool elevate the story. An Appa’s Lost Days & Bye-Bye Butterfree hybrid should be a painful emotional gut punch.
"Being grim does not automatically make a story good and more realistic" is something a lot of Doctor Who fans needed to hear, particularly during the Moffat era. Yes, most of the best stories are dark like Genesis of the Daleks, Caves of Androzani, The Waters of Mars, Heaven Sent, etc. They're good not because they're dark, "morbid" & have death in them, they're well written & directed to make the tragedy of those stories have an impact. Dark Water/Death in Heaven is also a dark & morbid story but it's crap because the characters aren't likeable & the drama is has is just melodramatic.
Thw thing I'm still wondering is whether alison sees the world in the gritty drama all the time or if the sit com is how she copes with how shes being trated. Does everyone see the sereis of events in a different genre, kevin sit com, alison drama, patty crime?
The last few episodes of season 2 felt rushed. Like they took the content that could have been spread over another couple of seasons if needed and just got through all of it when they realized two seasons was all they would get. I'm still glad we got to see all of it play out.
I enjoyed this show (and your video about it) but I felt like the show could have made it more obvious that Kevin, in the real world, is actually a dangerous and abusive man. When the character is effectively played for laughs the whole series, it makes the protagonist’s actions seem less justified throughout it. Ngl, when the real world Kevin is shown at the end, it’s excellent but the rest of the time it just seems like she’s overreacting a bit. You get that she wants to be away for him the man seems like an arse but her actions SEEM pretty unreasonable given what she is shown to be reacting to. Unfortunately, to me, it seems that this aspect of the show was actually hurt by the gimmick. And the gimmick is fun and why I watched the show in the first place. Maybe I missed something. Feel free to disagree.
I think they just didn't have enough time. After season 1 the initial reaction was mostly confusion cause a lot of people didn't 'get' it, so they just ordered one more season to wrap it up and called it quits. So season 2 was incredibly rushed, cause they had to cram all their ideas into one season. They could have had 3-4, maybe 5 seasons easy. Give time to go into things, explain things, etc. We never even got to see Pete in realworld. Most plot points in season 2 came and went within one episode, sometimes even 1-2 scenes. Most of these could have been multiple episodes. We didn't even get Allison vs. Police or anything, Tammy just drops it completely. I think the show is great, I'm just bummed it wasn't given room to breathe.
I agree because the guy who made this video seems to miss the idea that the sitcom world is masking the abuse by Kevin. The drama world angle obviously shows the main character in a more negative light because it highlights her reality, makes her into a more grounded character with flaws, but only at the finale really shows Kevin’s. You are meant to gather the abuse from the implication but it is never actually shown, instead we see him with a laughter track and bright lights. Is it her way of coping? Also, she stayed with him for so long like most victims of domestic abuse do, not because she’s as bad as him (as I think was said in the video) but because victims rarely confront their spouse and often feel like they can’t. Supporting evidence for this are the drastic plans to either kill Kevin or fake her own death - when people are pushed they tend to resort to extreme measures
I feel like there were a lot of things that signalled DV to me and Kevin having a lot of control over Alison. Him calling in his car stolen when Alison is gone too long rather than a wellness check, him being friends with the local cops, Alison's doctor asking if she's checked with Kevin, him always blaming her for "accidents" where he hurts her, him blowing all their money (including student loan money meant for her) and not allowing her to achieve a significant income but always having money for what he wants, him ruining her career prospects and making it impossible for her to go back to school, Alison having no friends outside of Kevin's close circle, ect, ect. I'm honestly kind of shocked this review puts Kevin and Alison on the same level and paints her only issue as not being "upfront about how's she's been dissatisfied the whole time". I think the whole point was that she wasn't able to leave without taking extreme measures and only once she's built somewhat of a life without Kevin does she have the power to be able to say those things and be somewhat able to handle any retaliation. Abusers will sometimes follow their victims if possible to continue to ruin their lives in any way they can and in a lot of cases will attempt to kill the person trying to leave them. When Neil says Alison is trying to kill him and Kevin responds "I know" I don't think that's intended to show how silly he and the world are but rather a dark realization that he's aware what Alison is doing at all times and intentionally turned it around on her. The shooting was not an accident. None of the harm Kevin causes is unintended.
First! But also I read your Medium thingy about your experiences starting out on RUclips and how your channel got to where it is today. It was so interesting hearing about videos like the 200 sub special and the short story about the printer that I’d never seen before. Went and watched them straight afterwards because I’m a Stubagful completionist and now I’m going to contact Philip Morris and Ian Levine to Stubagful lost media. As someone who creates art but fears what people will say if they ever saw it, I think hearing your experiences with comments and notifications really did help give me a bit more confidence to put some of my art out there when I next create something. I know none of this comment is relevant to the video but I wasn’t sure where to let you know. Hope you’re doing well, keep up your great work!
@@Stubagful This will be the plot of the next Indiana Jones film. A group of adventurers journey to the far ends of the earth in order to rediscover the legendary early videos of Stubagful… on the way they encounter neckbeards, ancient cults from the dawn of time and… Dwayne Johnson! (he seems to be in every adventure film nowadays) In a plot twist ending it’ll turn out that the real Stuart is the friends we made along the way
Although it's understandable(more like predictable, that I should be use to it, every time it happens) that the show ended, fact is at least she is freed from her terrible husband, which matters more in all honesty,
I just watched this show and had to find if anyone was talking about it. I live in NE Connecticut, pretty close to Worcester. This show went to extreme lengths to get things right. I wonder how long it took these actors to learn their accent. It's not a Boston accent and it's not a Providence accent. It's somewhere in between, which is exactly right for that city. I feel like 99% of shows with this budget wouldn't bother because no one would know anyway.
Finally saw Kevin Can Frell Himself, it's amazing. My favorite episode is The Grand Victorian for how Allison's plot affects her night. I'm not sure who my favorite Kevin Can Frell Himself character is yet because there so good. I love how the final scene with Kevin shows how sitcoms can be creepy without the laugh track. Honestly it would make more sense to compare Kevin Can Frell Himself to Better Call Saul instead of Breaking Bad. Better Call Saul develops two different plots that violently clash back together in the final season. Better Call Saul is also fantastic at being a good prequel, good comic relief spin off, having an amazing romantic subplot, and introducing fantastic new characters.
i think the episodes getting shorter was an interesting point as well, sitcoms aspect again. Alison is a result of her mother, which is why she got with Kevin, it’s all she knows, it’s what she’s use to. This show is like Breaking Bad, but it’s didn’t have to be drawn out into multiple seasons with multiple deaths because Alison is a woman and women are more aware.
Hello Stu! Thanks for the recommend, I’m going to jump on this very soon knowing our tastes are quite similar. Also call this the wrong place to ask but since I love your reviews so much.. I was wondering if you’d one day finish your heavily biased guide to the EDAs? Given they’ve not drained your bank account and you’re living in a skaghouse with a 12 inch TV by now… Bloody Big Finish prices!
I've been waiting for this to turn up on Prime for months, and this video tricked me into thinking it had finally arrived. It has, but for a fee. Whereas the first Season's included with Prime, and I'm waiting to watch both in one go. You bastuart.
A few days ago, I considered writing a comment to post on this video for me to have ready as soon as you upload this video. A comment much too long (and possibly much too well-composed) for anyone to be able to have started writing only right after being able to see this video. One that would confuse either you or another viewer. "Huh? How can there be such a long and well-composed comment that specifically references this video in several places only two minutes after it was uploaded?" But then I didn't do it. There are a few bridges I won't cross. Like writing such a comment if I don't remember to do it. Or actually setting up another Reddit account to be able to follow you there. I may be obsessed with some of your work, but I still have some of my dignity left. And forgetfulness.
I gave up on this show halfway through the first season as soon as I understood where it was going inevitably it lost all interest to me. There was not enough meat to maintain my interest for so many episodes. The concept could have been executed in 2 or 3 tight hours, instead of dragging it, as most modern shows, over too many episodes. I call it the netflix curse.
I liked the ending but I feel like the second season was rushed after they found out they were getting canceled. I would have loved to see this show go on for another 3 seasons. It just felt like it was over too fast.
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I just want to add that, on top of everything else, Kevin only snaps out of the multi-cam world when the audience starts cheering for *her.* Just... chills 😭
I noticed that, too! Just finished it and that was absolutely amazing how they incorporated that.
I saw it just yesterday and I was so shocked. She literally stile the show from him and his narcissistic mindset was so startled by it that it quite literally collapsed his world. And then he was in her world for once, just like Neil was. Difference is that Neil could take reality, while Kevin couldn't
I like how when alison finally confronted kevin and left him, with him then dying literally 5 minutes later is like him finally losing his plot armour and finally facing real consequences for doing something stupid.
Like she said “if you have a problem Kevin will solve it” and he did.
Nevér looked at it that way. Brilliant
While Kevin isn't stereotypically physically abusive, I would argue that he still is physically abusive. We just never see Allison deal with that part of the abuse in the dramatic framing, likely because she herself doesn't know whether to call it abuse or not. Kevin's antics and schemes regularly result in Allison getting injured, but it's played for laughs and framed like a sitcom so it doesn't look bad. Creating scenarios in which your partner is regularly getting into 'accidents' is physical abuse, even if Kevin never put his hands on Allison directly. If these scenes were framed dramatically, things like Allison falling over a table or being hit with thrown objects would feel much differently than they do in the sitcom framing. This is why (imo) Allison remains in sitcom framing when Neil is choking her and doesn't get pulled back into dramatic framing until someone else is present in the scene. It's not just because Neil is part of Kevin's world, it's partly because Allison doesn't know how to process what's happening yet.
Love your videos dude! Your first one on this show is what made me watch it ^^
He tried to hit her in the finale, I think he was hitting her the whole time but in the frame of the sitcom he could justify it by it being "an accident" so he could still feel like the good guy.
Love this take
The way he always blamed her for the situations where she got hurt was very telling, too. Like with the door hitting her head and him saying, "I HAD to kick the door open because I was scawwed."
Whenever she hilds him accountable, we're in the sitcom, where he's the main character and her pain is dealt for laughs. She quite literally doesn't matter in that setting and so we laugh at her complaints for being the "nagging wife."
I think it's important to recognize that Allison is in fact a victim. She was at the hands of Kevin for years and when she finally breaks it's a build up of everything she was repressing for all that time, and yeah she isn't going to be a 'perfect victim' because no one is. She is a morally grey character and a lot of what she did was wrong but we can still see where she was coming from (even though it was pretty crazy) The flashback scene to her father's funeral is telling, because we get to see how her mother treated her, and see why she was drawn to Kevin in the first place. Dianne's story is very relevant because that is how a lot of abuse situations go: they try to get out, maybe even leave, but they end up back with their abuser and it is very, very messy. All in all this was an incredible show with great writing and I love that Allison and the other characters weren't just one dimensional.
The realest thing about her is that she is a flawed person (in an exaggerated way) but that doesn’t take away from her also being a victim. When people hear the word victim they think of a helpless person who could do no wrong. Their own lack of morality doesn’t take away from the abuse they can endure from others. It’s an interesting and very real topic that you rarely see done, and because of it I’ve grown to really appreciate this show more and more
Yeah, I was a bit confused about his idea that she is not a victim and his arguments didn't make any sense. Yes, she made the decision to kill her husband, yes she made the decision to fake her own death. But it's apparent that Allison is not of clear mind PRECISELY because of the fact that she endured 10 years of abuse. I'm not justifying her actions, but there is no denying she is a victim.
There’s a fantastic Easter egg in the finale where the actor playing Molly (Kevin’s new girlfriend) played the stereotypical sitcom wife in Kevin Can Wait, the sitcom that inspired the show. She was even killed off in between seasons which was heavily criticised in the press at the time. The actor said on Twitter following the release of Kevin Can F Himself that she was pleased to have been able to come full circle.
I think it’s brilliant that they did that.
I loved the show Kevin Can Wait until they killed off the wife in the second season. 😬😩🤦🏼♀️
I thought the sitcom was the rose colored glasses that everyone has on for Kevin which is why everyone loves him while Allison can see the actually toxic and abusive man he is. You see one by one each of the other characters go to the real world once those rose colored glasses come off. You can see this with Neil who ends up wanting Kev dead too. You also see Patty realize how much Kevin’s actions are selfish and hurtful to Allison even though she was there to witness it all.
The way they showcase an abusive relationship is very insightful
I couldn’t wait to see him in the real world! He actually was frightening me
I was hoping they would do that! I'm glad they didn't disappoint.
It makes sense to me why she married and stayed with him, I'll try to explain my thought process.
Kevin is a bit of manchild and Alison is kind of neurotic. I feel like she probably found his carefree nature appealing towards the start and wanted that escapist, sitcom life but gradually got sick of his selfishness.
In real life it's notoriously hard to leave abusive relationships and abusers often hide their worse tendencies until they think they've got their partner trapped so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even see his selfish side until pretty far into their relationship.
Alison didn't seem to like Kevin at the start of the show but she only really snapped when she learned about the financial stuff and how deep Kevin's lies went. In my opinion that scene where it's revealed made him go from a selfish idiot to a deliberately manipulative and controlling person
I saw it the same way you did. She kept saying how much things would get better if she just gets him to the bank the next day. It really seemed like she saw him as unintentionally messing up. Like, "oh, he's harmless, he doesn't mean it. But *I* can fix this if I just try harder."
But throughout the show I caught more times were he manipulated things to seem like they were her fault. And other times where she'd kinda defend him. Their dynamic was so well fleshed out in both the sitcom and the drama scenes.
Yes, exactly!
Always good to see a show end on a high and not just keep going at the cost of it's premise.
Am I the only one who interpreted the show to be her a victim of DV? Like when the cameras are rolling an ab*ser can seem perfect or like a funny/ silly character (like Kevin comes off as this carefree silly character & the person you’d least expect it from. Then behind closed doors it’s dark & very different. At the end he said “I will f-king destroy you” if she leaves which seemed like his fake mask slipped of the “real Kevin” coming out.. it wasn’t him saying how much he loved her it was him saying how much he’d destroy her if she did divorce him.. maybe that’s just my personal interpretation of the show cuz ik many ppl have said completely opposites. IG that’s what makes a good tv show tho when there could be so many different interpretations of a series
Makes perfect sense. That moment was the kind of raw power few TV shows can wield effectively
I just binged and totally agree. From season one, Allison panics about how to hide a bruise from Kevin and Patty kind of scoffs and blows it off. But her panic was palpable. And when she was at the doctors, her arms were exposed for the first time, and she had light bruising all up and down her arms. Not to mention her own low confidence and self doubt and how that was directly from Kevin.
@@jacquelynsmale8079 And explains why the doctor and nurse were encouraging her to talk to someone. It wasn't because of request for pills, it was because of the bruises.
@@valree123 OMG wow keen eye! I totally missed that.
I totally agree! It was so telling when he kicked the door in her face so many cover ups of "I walked into a door" or something like that, it's played for laughs until Patty's reaction really cements the reality of it
I do love how allison as a true victim of narcissistic abuse also has her becoming a villain because of the way she victimizes herself. kevin is the abuser in their relationship but she creates her own problems as well because of how her self image has diminished in her marriage with him. it’s a good representation of how difficult it is to get out of these relationships without projecting it onto others or potentially facing more abuse.
Alison is not a saint & that’s made very clear but that don’t mean she not a victim. She absolutely is a victim of Kevin’s emotional manipulation/abuse, which is y it’s so hard for her to just leave in the 1st place. U actually weird af for suggesting dat her being a victim of her manipulative husband is all in her head.
It is and it isn’t. It’s basically learned helplessness. It’s hard for her to leave because she’s decided that she can’t leave. But doesn’t recognize her own agency in the that decision.
@@birdiewolf3497 yes n no. abuse has a way of shackling ya mind yes but dat dont mean it wouldn’t be real consequences if she jus up n left. Kevin is v vindictive,, just look at the way he reacted when she simply said she wanted a divorce.
@@bean4423 I never said it is free from consequences. Your choices can very well be staying or facing homelessness. That’s where the abuser is doing the abusing. But you can’t control what they do, you can control what you do! That is never something you should lose sight of. Kevin did react negatively and he was vindictive, if you think that’s worse than leaving, that’s your decision! I’m not saying it’s fair for Kevin to act like that or saying she is wrong to stick around because she doesn’t want to deal with Kevin’s reaction. But when you understand that you are in control and you are the one that makes the decision, the easier it becomes to create different options for yourself. Because if you realize you are making this choice out of fear of how Kevin will react, you can recognize you can make the choice to work around that fear or eliminate it all together or just face it head on.
@@birdiewolf3497 i mean yea i guess..? what does this gotta do w me saying Allison is a victim of abuse tho ?? no disrespect but i rlly don’t care to have a philosophical arg witchu when my original comment was v straightforward.
I really liked the show, and the ending was pretty jaw-dropping, and handled really well. Such a cool and creative way to tell this story, AND it made me fall in love with Annie Murphy (so I definitely have to watch Schitt's Creek now).
"That would make a statement, not a character"
That line is just beautiful. If only more screenwriters nowadays would take more than a pacing glance at a message like that. Great stuff!
I wonder if the whole "sit-com" world is how Alison sees things when she is being emotionally abused. She enters sit-com world with her mum at her dads wake before she meets Kevin. The whole thing crashes into the real world in the last few scenes when Kevin enters the "drama" world and we see how he really is. All our realities are just how our brains interpret the world around us. Just a thought, great videos by the way.
See, I interpreted the sitcom set up as a narcissism metaphor. I think that it's actually KEVIN's perspective and his interpretation of reality. Kevin and Allison's mother are the 'lovable main characters' of their own shows and everyone else is the supporting cast. Their cruelty is harmless at worst, but usually hilarious.
The moment where it really hit me just how much Alison's side of the story was starting to resemble the Sitcom side was when they were in the back of the Police Car, and they were farcically trying to not give themselves away. It could beat for beat be translated to the other format and fit perfectly.
And once I saw it, I couldn't stop imagining it with other scenes, how the two worlds were bleeding together.
It was probably for the best that it ended when it did. Better to do all they can with the concept and end on a high than let it lose steam and fizzle out.
I actually think a third season would be a good idea because guys like Kevin will everything in his power to prevent Allison from divorcing him. And if she finally does it, he still will do everthing to make her life miserable. Men like Kevin can't bear a woman left them.
Ok but Tammy was also controlling and emotionally abusive. She was the worst.
Yes she was! I think she kind of represented another way of having an abusive/controlling partner and Patty was just in the beginning of it. Tammy going "you'll learn to like it" and other things, I was glad when Patty decided to choose herself
Honestly its such a brilliant show, I'm so glad it got made.
On an unrelated note Ive started watching Inside No 9 because of your season reviews on it and Im thoroughly enjoying it!
How it got made is still a mystery to me. I've been reading a lot of academic textbooks on the industry lately and basically everything about it just says to me "no one would greenlight this in a million years"
@@Stubagful Valerie Armstrong must've had some hot dirt on the AMC executives, either that or they were desperate to have something on their failing subscription service AMC+ that wasnt the Walking Dead. Either way Im so glad it got made and got the two seasons it wanted.
There is no joke. This is some person's life depending on who is watching.
It's crazy how jarring real world Kevin was, his eyes weren't as bulging, his accent wasn't as thick, he was just so sinister it's no wonder Allison was afraid to leave him all these years she had no choice he even gave her no choice, but she could only do it after she grew and was able to stand her ground I was proud of her by the end.
I disagree on allison not being a victim. Victoms can be shitty people too. And the shows is very specific at showing how Allison is essentially trapped in this marriage. Kevin is abusive. We have allison tell patty how kevin fucked up her chances of getting a job, and we know kevin did this on porpuse. We know how he stole all the money they had been saving on stuid stuff. Allison is not good but she is still a victim. A victim that by the start of the season has no viable way of escaping. She has nowhere to go, no money nd no resources. She is only able to live after she gives up her whole life, which goes to show that yes, she couldnt leave before! Of course allison uses people and is a bad person. But i think the series is pretty clear on the fcat tht allison is indeed a victim.
One thing this topic made me really think about is how this concept of internalised victimhood is so hard-baked into the archetype of the main character as a whole. As the main character, we almost subconsciously expect to feel sympathy for them in their situation because they're not only the focus, but they're also the perspective in which the creators have chosen to present the world. If we as an audience can't relate to, connect, or sympathise with a main character, why are we even watching? There has to be that leeway.
Walter White from Breaking Bad is an interesting example because of how he's presented through this victimhood, even though he's a murdering drug-dealer who prioritises his pride above everything else, we still feel sympathy for him because we're able to see where he comes from, and the bad decisions that lead to him becoming a monster. But here's the thing: he's still a monster. He still actively made those decisions. But because he's the main character and we're privy to his perspective, we prioritise him, for example, over Skyler. Walt was not only presented as some kind of victim, but he always saw himself as the victim, even when he had power, it was in some kind of just revenge or for his family even though it clearly wasn't. Bojack Horseman is also a great example of this, how Bojack is always the victim and can't quite bring himself to realise that the shitty things he's done HE'S done, not anyone else.
And this is where this self victimisation bleeds over into the real world. Because when we're in a bad situation, or are the victim of someone else's bullshit, we view ourselves as the main character because we're the ones who turn inwards and have to struggle with it. We can't be in the wrong ourselves because we're at the grasp of someone else's negative decisions. Our consciousnesses and morals MUST be sound because the other person/people are so bad in comparison to it. But this mindset comes from the fact the other person/ people prioritise themselves, acting like how a main character would. Little do we reflect on our own agency. The way we twist other peoples lives and make them worse because we think we have the right to be the main character, the focus, the one everyone should care about, over someone else.
Whilst Alison thinks she's breaking away from Kevins shitty sitcom world, she's really just entering her own. The gritty desaturated "realistic" drama has JUST AS MANY conventions as the live action sitcom format. Just because we are self reflective on our position does not mean we stop victimising ourselves. Even when trying to fix our bad behaviour, we still think of ourselves under the conventions of the main character who everyone should feel sympathy for and focus upon. When people think of themselves as the main character, its not because they are, its just an excuse we make up about ourselves to not take responsibility for our own actions and agency.
The most interesting part about this show is the many ways you can view it.
- sitcom world is Kevin’s perspective, dark drama comedy is Allison’s perspective, both the main characters of their own shows they make up in their own heads due to their own narcissism, not realizing how they affect others.
- sitcom world is how Allison disassociates from abuse, and when she finally faces him in the end with the perspective switch, it’s her facing the trauma head-on.
- Allison represents a victim of abuse in its realist form (while still over exaggerated obviously). A victim of abuse can be a shitty person. They can be flawed, narcissistic, mean, etc but that doesn’t take away from them being a victim of abuse from another. It’s important to seperate how we view someone as a person to how unfairly they’ve been treated, which unfortunately doesn’t happen much in the real world and we get cases where people constantly mock victims of abuse for not being perfect victims. This show is really special.
Patty was always aware of Kevin not being as he saw himself, remember the first episode "there's no 'we' in that room" and then she explains he spent all their money. She wakes Alison up to what her world is like.
Edit: Patty chooses to go along with it, to be part of his world, but se knows he is a childish spiteful POS. She says she is scared of him due to him.
I haven’t seen this show yet, 2 things I want to say about deconstructions in general is that predictability isn’t a bad thing and there is more to storytelling than a grimdark tone.
If someone predicts the protagonists win and antagonists lose, that is not bad writing. Avatar: The Last Airbender had the protagonists win and antagonists lose most of the time and it’s one of the best written shows ever made. Game of Thrones had to stop using it’s unpredictable anti plot armor gimmick because a story can’t rely on the threat of characters dying forever and someone has to live to tell the tale if a fictional story isn’t going to focus on the afterlife. If everyone in Game of Thrones died in a Red Wedding event, now what? The reason the Storm Trooper aiming trope exist because if antagonists kill the protagonists, now what?
Being grim does not automatically make a story good and more realistic. Yes, shitty things happens in real life but it's more realistic when people try to make things less shitty instead of just brooding about it. Tone is an important tool to a story that should be used to elevate other parts of the story instead of being the main focus. 1984 wasn't a good story because it was grim, it was a good story commentating on fascism and it's dark tone helped it's commentary on the corruption of fascism. BoJack Horseman wasn't good because it was grim, BoJack Horseman was a good deconstruction on sitcoms and it's grim moments were effective because it was deconstructing the flaws of sitcoms and commentating on toxicity of Hollywood. I hope BoJack Horsman doesn’t get terrible imitators like Watchmen. Game of Thrones grim moments stop having impact because the show felt too self-indulgent about being grim to make the grim moments have impact. The Netflix show Hilda is better at using tone than grimdark stories because having an overall light hearted tone is not a bad thing. Hilda depressing episodes The Fifty Year Night & The Deerfox have more of an impact because the tone is used a tool elevate the story. An Appa’s Lost Days & Bye-Bye Butterfree hybrid should be a painful emotional gut punch.
"Being grim does not automatically make a story good and more realistic" is something a lot of Doctor Who fans needed to hear, particularly during the Moffat era. Yes, most of the best stories are dark like Genesis of the Daleks, Caves of Androzani, The Waters of Mars, Heaven Sent, etc. They're good not because they're dark, "morbid" & have death in them, they're well written & directed to make the tragedy of those stories have an impact. Dark Water/Death in Heaven is also a dark & morbid story but it's crap because the characters aren't likeable & the drama is has is just melodramatic.
Thw thing I'm still wondering is whether alison sees the world in the gritty drama all the time or if the sit com is how she copes with how shes being trated. Does everyone see the sereis of events in a different genre, kevin sit com, alison drama, patty crime?
Alison was broken and bruised so much in the show and it wasn’t an issue other to make herself pretty……….😢
The last few episodes of season 2 felt rushed. Like they took the content that could have been spread over another couple of seasons if needed and just got through all of it when they realized two seasons was all they would get.
I'm still glad we got to see all of it play out.
I enjoyed this show (and your video about it) but I felt like the show could have made it more obvious that Kevin, in the real world, is actually a dangerous and abusive man.
When the character is effectively played for laughs the whole series, it makes the protagonist’s actions seem less justified throughout it.
Ngl, when the real world Kevin is shown at the end, it’s excellent but the rest of the time it just seems like she’s overreacting a bit. You get that she wants to be away for him the man seems like an arse but her actions SEEM pretty unreasonable given what she is shown to be reacting to.
Unfortunately, to me, it seems that this aspect of the show was actually hurt by the gimmick. And the gimmick is fun and why I watched the show in the first place.
Maybe I missed something. Feel free to disagree.
I think they just didn't have enough time. After season 1 the initial reaction was mostly confusion cause a lot of people didn't 'get' it, so they just ordered one more season to wrap it up and called it quits. So season 2 was incredibly rushed, cause they had to cram all their ideas into one season. They could have had 3-4, maybe 5 seasons easy. Give time to go into things, explain things, etc. We never even got to see Pete in realworld. Most plot points in season 2 came and went within one episode, sometimes even 1-2 scenes. Most of these could have been multiple episodes. We didn't even get Allison vs. Police or anything, Tammy just drops it completely. I think the show is great, I'm just bummed it wasn't given room to breathe.
I agree because the guy who made this video seems to miss the idea that the sitcom world is masking the abuse by Kevin. The drama world angle obviously shows the main character in a more negative light because it highlights her reality, makes her into a more grounded character with flaws, but only at the finale really shows Kevin’s. You are meant to gather the abuse from the implication but it is never actually shown, instead we see him with a laughter track and bright lights. Is it her way of coping?
Also, she stayed with him for so long like most victims of domestic abuse do, not because she’s as bad as him (as I think was said in the video) but because victims rarely confront their spouse and often feel like they can’t. Supporting evidence for this are the drastic plans to either kill Kevin or fake her own death - when people are pushed they tend to resort to extreme measures
I agree with this , for the longest time I was like why doesn't she leave him? He just seems like a dumbass at worst
I feel like there were a lot of things that signalled DV to me and Kevin having a lot of control over Alison. Him calling in his car stolen when Alison is gone too long rather than a wellness check, him being friends with the local cops, Alison's doctor asking if she's checked with Kevin, him always blaming her for "accidents" where he hurts her, him blowing all their money (including student loan money meant for her) and not allowing her to achieve a significant income but always having money for what he wants, him ruining her career prospects and making it impossible for her to go back to school, Alison having no friends outside of Kevin's close circle, ect, ect.
I'm honestly kind of shocked this review puts Kevin and Alison on the same level and paints her only issue as not being "upfront about how's she's been dissatisfied the whole time". I think the whole point was that she wasn't able to leave without taking extreme measures and only once she's built somewhat of a life without Kevin does she have the power to be able to say those things and be somewhat able to handle any retaliation.
Abusers will sometimes follow their victims if possible to continue to ruin their lives in any way they can and in a lot of cases will attempt to kill the person trying to leave them.
When Neil says Alison is trying to kill him and Kevin responds "I know" I don't think that's intended to show how silly he and the world are but rather a dark realization that he's aware what Alison is doing at all times and intentionally turned it around on her. The shooting was not an accident. None of the harm Kevin causes is unintended.
First! But also I read your Medium thingy about your experiences starting out on RUclips and how your channel got to where it is today. It was so interesting hearing about videos like the 200 sub special and the short story about the printer that I’d never seen before. Went and watched them straight afterwards because I’m a Stubagful completionist and now I’m going to contact Philip Morris and Ian Levine to Stubagful lost media. As someone who creates art but fears what people will say if they ever saw it, I think hearing your experiences with comments and notifications really did help give me a bit more confidence to put some of my art out there when I next create something.
I know none of this comment is relevant to the video but I wasn’t sure where to let you know. Hope you’re doing well, keep up your great work!
There is a disc of everything I ever made on a shelf in a TV archive somewhere on the other side of the world. First one to find it wins :)
@@Stubagful This will be the plot of the next Indiana Jones film. A group of adventurers journey to the far ends of the earth in order to rediscover the legendary early videos of Stubagful… on the way they encounter neckbeards, ancient cults from the dawn of time and… Dwayne Johnson! (he seems to be in every adventure film nowadays) In a plot twist ending it’ll turn out that the real Stuart is the friends we made along the way
Although it's understandable(more like predictable, that I should be use to it, every time it happens) that the show ended, fact is at least she is freed from her terrible husband, which matters more in all honesty,
I just watched this show and had to find if anyone was talking about it. I live in NE Connecticut, pretty close to Worcester. This show went to extreme lengths to get things right. I wonder how long it took these actors to learn their accent. It's not a Boston accent and it's not a Providence accent. It's somewhere in between, which is exactly right for that city. I feel like 99% of shows with this budget wouldn't bother because no one would know anyway.
Kevin a horrible person allison isnt much better, she is just framed in way that is overshadowed by kevin abuse and weaponized incompetence.
Good show but i feel they kind of stole the idea from the movie Pleasantville
Finally saw Kevin Can Frell Himself, it's amazing. My favorite episode is The Grand Victorian for how Allison's plot affects her night. I'm not sure who my favorite Kevin Can Frell Himself character is yet because there so good. I love how the final scene with Kevin shows how sitcoms can be creepy without the laugh track.
Honestly it would make more sense to compare Kevin Can Frell Himself to Better Call Saul instead of Breaking Bad. Better Call Saul develops two different plots that violently clash back together in the final season. Better Call Saul is also fantastic at being a good prequel, good comic relief spin off, having an amazing romantic subplot, and introducing fantastic new characters.
8:47 Allison would be a victim if she... If she killed Kevin?
Allison would be playing the role of “the victim”, ignorant of her own agency and her effect on others.
i think the episodes getting shorter was an interesting point as well, sitcoms aspect again.
Alison is a result of her mother, which is why she got with Kevin, it’s all she knows, it’s what she’s use to.
This show is like Breaking Bad, but it’s didn’t have to be drawn out into multiple seasons with multiple deaths because Alison is a woman and women are more aware.
Life changing show 👀
Masterpiece finale
Why won't they stream this free gdmnt?
Hello Stu! Thanks for the recommend, I’m going to jump on this very soon knowing our tastes are quite similar.
Also call this the wrong place to ask but since I love your reviews so much.. I was wondering if you’d one day finish your heavily biased guide to the EDAs? Given they’ve not drained your bank account and you’re living in a skaghouse with a 12 inch TV by now… Bloody Big Finish prices!
i loved it when Kevin said "it's f***in time " and Kevin f***ed all over.
I've been waiting for this to turn up on Prime for months, and this video tricked me into thinking it had finally arrived. It has, but for a fee. Whereas the first Season's included with Prime, and I'm waiting to watch both in one go. You bastuart.
Yet again, for the algorithm. Love your content btw
A few days ago, I considered writing a comment to post on this video for me to have ready as soon as you upload this video. A comment much too long (and possibly much too well-composed) for anyone to be able to have started writing only right after being able to see this video. One that would confuse either you or another viewer. "Huh? How can there be such a long and well-composed comment that specifically references this video in several places only two minutes after it was uploaded?"
But then I didn't do it. There are a few bridges I won't cross. Like writing such a comment if I don't remember to do it. Or actually setting up another Reddit account to be able to follow you there. I may be obsessed with some of your work, but I still have some of my dignity left. And forgetfulness.
I gave up on this show halfway through the first season as soon as I understood where it was going inevitably it lost all interest to me. There was not enough meat to maintain my interest for so many episodes. The concept could have been executed in 2 or 3 tight hours, instead of dragging it, as most modern shows, over too many episodes. I call it the netflix curse.
I liked the ending but I feel like the second season was rushed after they found out they were getting canceled.
I would have loved to see this show go on for another 3 seasons. It just felt like it was over too fast.
Yeah, there wasn't anything they could do as they got canceled, BUT at least we got closure!
@@societycrumblesagreed,