Dr. Krashen is right. My twelve years old daugter speaks amercan english fluently only by listening and watching programs of interest on youtube. Though she lives in Morocco and never visited USA or any english speaking country.
Can i acquire language just by myself ? I mean... without any language teacher. Because i am learning French. And there is no french people live in my place. Can i still acquire french language by just listening and reading ?
@@Gaurav.P0 Yes, it's possible. I've done so, to a limited extent, with Spanish (I still speak with natives, but the majority of my knowledge comes from study), but I reckon that the comprehension aspect of your learning will be hindered/slowed if you don't practice with natives. You'd have to counteract that with studying grammar and listening a lot to understand what may be said to you. But, don't worry about that! I recommend checking out apps like Italki, where you can be paired with native speakers who can speak with you in French and any other language.
@@Gaurav.P0 Go watch French in Action. It's at learner.org, available for free. It's 52 episodes, they start off easy and get gradually more complicated as it goes on. Watch it entirely like 3 or 4 times, it'll give you a great start and then you'll be able to go out and use all sorts of online resources that'll be comprehensible to you. You'll learn 5x more from watching french in action a few times than you will in years of classroom study.. After that, there's all sorts of youtube channels of people speaking deliberately simplified french so it's comprehensible to learners. Children's books are great sources of comprehensible input. The kindle app is fantastic, you can just touch a word and it'll bring up the translation and definition, no having to search through a giant-ass paper dictionary. It's all about getting hundreds of hours of comprehensible input, you can get a decent level without ever meeting another french speaker.
This gives me such freedom because now I can enjoy reading books and simply watch fun videos while forgetting about memorizing vocabularies and worrying about better way to improve my language skills because nothing ever worked for me to stay long enough with traditional method on learning
Same. Trying to memorize the billion Russian grammar rules - and equal number of exceptions to those rules - left me so defeated and frustrated that I went out searching for a better way. That's when I stumbled on this method, and have instead been enjoying and acquiring the language ever since :)
That's what I always do and it has always worked. But for some unknown reason people have it stuck in their heads that you can learn language like you do maths.
@@sandwichbreath0 Russian is my second language and I speak it pretty much fluent even better than my mother tongue. I never learned grammar at all. All I did is massive exposure through watching, listening and reading a lot of things.
What a speech!!Love him..not so often you can listen to a beautiful lecture like this..and I think no one couldn’t agree with him more...Comprehensible input is key..Every polyglot has some personal strategy to achieve fluency in a given language..but none of them does it without relying on comprehensible input.
Glad you enjoyed it. Dr Krashen was really a treat for us for that got the chance to interact with him and see him present live. He is definitely one of the most knowledgeable persons on the topic of comprehensible input and language learning. Did you attend LangFest Vadim ?
I really like this! Omg! I feel sooo inspired to continue learning German and Afrikaans without fear! And ALSO, to hear him say he like the Cartoon "Sponge Bob"...I almost cried because it's one of my favourite movies!
I know Krashen personally and he has inspired my work greatly. In fact, he is a character in my Bart book. Krashen pokes fun at himself when the challengers absolutely BASHED him in the 80's and 90's. This man kept millions in the profession and should have a statue in Washington D.C. 🇺🇸
Good video! Thanks to the author for his good work! I'd like to recommend Yuri Ivantsiv's practice book Polyglot's Notes: Practical Tips for Learning a Foreign Language. This book has many useful methods for learning a foreign language, how to develop your memory, how to memorize words, learn grammar, quickly learn to speak, read and write. All recommend this excellent book! Good luck to everyone in learning a foreign language!
@@Gaurav.P0 First:Forget all about grammar. Second: Listen/watch every thing, anything in English all the time. Third: Read a lot. Read every thing, any thing. Start with children's books. Forth: Use dictionary English-English. Not bilingual one. Fifth: It takes time to improve. Work on it every day even for just 30 minutes. Last but not least: Read, watch and listen to things you like. Good luck.
@Thiagoshr Sure. Unfortunately the majority of them don’t believe it, do they? We can learn proper English by quality reading and “popular” English watching sitcoms. I like very much “studying” movies’ subtitles. They are very resourceful. Cheers.
@@Gaurav.P0 BTH, try these folks. They are my favorites. Rachel was supposed to become a classic singer and Shane to be using his degree in International Relations. The reason they are so good (IMO) is that they are not trained teachers. ruclips.net/video/UNnzPydhQXU/видео.html ruclips.net/video/AU0x40PHD04/видео.html
I am looking forward to seeing input-based language acquisition as the main language learning program around the globe! Stephen Krashen is a Legend. And he knows that 😉
yeah krashen also likes spongebob. I think limewiring spongebob episodes that I had already watched in dutch took a large part in me acquiring english.
19:42 Krashen says "luddite". It roughly means someone who opposes change and technology. Typically used in a negative connotation. It's really satisfying to see words in the wild that are almost never used.
I love listening to Krashen. I don't think anyone will disagree that compelling comprehensible input is the best way to go. But I still use apps like Anki etc., to help me learn too. Without studying, how will you be able to read even a comic book? And where do you draw the line between just studying or engaging with comprehensible input? If I use Anki to review example sentences in Japanese for a few years and eventually get a good intermediate level of Japanese, is that thanks to focused studying is it because I was engaging in comprehensible (if not the most interesting) input?
What I'd like Krashen to explain is why Anki isn't comprehensible input. I ascribe to the Fluent Forever methodology which insists on not using your native language to learn your target language, but instead an image and then the word for that image on the back with pronunciation and spelling testing along with it if you're so inclined. It's not different from his example I've seen him do before with German, holds up hand, points to it, then says Hand in German, ok we get it, that's the word for hand, points to ears, says word for ears, points to eyes, says word for eyes... how is that different from a photo of eyes and the flip side of the Anki card both spelling out and speaking the word? It's comprehensible input as far as I'm concerned. It's only when you're mentally translating that it breaks that rule in my mind. Even Fluent Forever methods tend to avoid grammar rules, just put examples of those rules without calling them rules in your Anki deck for review. Eventually the grammar will naturally be acquired.
Some people, myself included, actually learn grammar more easily than any other aspect of language. If that's the kind of mind you have, then getting plenty of grammar instruction really cuts to the chase.
I like grammar too. As does Stephen Krashen. The question is, is it what leads to use of the language? For you? For me? What I know FOR SURE is that in my native language, grammar (exact and correct finesses of grammar) came from input, not from study of grammar (which wasn't the fashion when I was in school).
What qualifies as comprehensible input when you do not know any vocabulary in the target language? Is there prep work that needs to be accomplished prior to engaging in CI? Or, should I begin with a translation dictionary.
Honestly? kids Tv is a lifesaver, specially the ones meant for the younger ones, it will help you gain vocab and start putting yourself out there, also use children's songs and stories
Loved it. I would like to hear more about comparing comprehensible input to other leading methods, not the audiolingual method or grammar-drill-vocabulary-dialogue approach which as far as I am concerned, was proven to be ineffective over 25 years ago. Compare it to other more effective methods such as communicative approach, total physical response, and immersion. And do you consider comprehensible input to be based on the natural approach, or is it something different?
Skill building doesn't work. I tried it, I really did, hundreds and hundreds of hours, finally went to France, couldn't understand anything.. Switched to comprehensible input and my ability took off.. I actually did read his book like 10 years ago.
@Rajkumari Patel Quit "studying" altogether. No more grammar exercises. None, they're useless, or maybe less than useless.. Focus on finding material that you can understand. Cartoons and children's books are great sources of easy to understand content. At the very beginning, you'll probably need materials that are made for beginners (stuff like Destinos or French in Action). There's also podcasts and youtube channels where the people speak with a more limited vocabulary to make it more understandable. Repetition is great. The first time you listen to a podcast you might only understand 60% or 70%, but listen to it a 2nd time you'll then get 70% to 80%, listen a third time you get even more. The key is you understand what you're listening to and you just gradually add in more and more difficult material.... Just think of it this way, say it takes you 15 minutes to decipher one page of an adult level book vs in that same 15 minutes you could read 7 or 8 pages of a children's book. Which one do you think will result in better acquisition?
@@ricchanse9166 Opinions differ, but my opinion is to listen and read for a very long time before you start producing output (like a couple hundred hours before trying to have a conversation). But really, just talk when you feel like you're ready, just don't be pressured into it. Acquisition is input driven and output follows, you can't talk until you've acquired... You have to acquire the phonological system first by listening before you can speak it. Reading won't teach you how to speak. (reading teaches you to write. You must be able to read before you can write) As far as pronunciation and accent. After you've listened long enough that you feel like you understand the sounds of the language, start small. Listen to words, and try to repeat the word or parts of the word, sort of like babbling. Always listen first, then try to repeat as best you can. Let your ears guide you. You'll often find that certain sounds are hard to say, so seek out words with that sound and hear it in different contexts. Many online dictionaries are good sources of single words clearly pronounced in isolation... Then work your way up to phrases. Listen to and repeat a whole sentence while matching the intonation... As you're getting tons of comprehensible audio input, you'll start to notice patterns in the intonation and "music" of the language, try to mimic it... You can record sound into anki flash cards and repeat the words and phrases you hear there as you do the cards...And finally, when you do talk, just have fun. You probably will always have an accent, but that's a good thing. When you go to a foreign country, as soon as people hear your accent, all of a sudden you're interesting and people will often want to talk.
@@hrmIwonder do you translate words to your native language or just try try to predict them wether in reading or hearing them, i really don't want to translate but sometimes my mind tells me to do it.
this is awesome video i didnt even try to learn English but i am so good at daily conversation i used omegle to chat with guys there and even i can speak some other languages lol and i am an Arabic speaker
I can confirm also. I spent 2-3 years studying Russian grammar, failing constantly. One day, after getting back more work covered in corrections, I felt so sad and defeated and thought, "How do Russian toddlers manage to memorize all these convoluted rules? How do they arrive at their first day of school already speaking, like we do in English?" The answer was obvious - they must learn another way. My search led me to Krashen's work, and I switched entirely to this method. Only then did I start making progress. Acquisition takes time, but it works. I still remember the first time I immediately understood a full sentence. The Russian just went straight in, like English does -- a second later, when I thought about it consciously, I was so hyped and excited that my brain was indeed solving the puzzle on its own automatically. It really is like magic.
Seriously Donald trump is a brand and a landmark character in USA politics. Like "Marmite" there is a group which hate/insult him. There is a group which unconditionally like/love him. I like Krashen also.
But what if you don't find _anything_ compelling? I suspect their are a certain percentage of people that have this problem, and maybe those are the people who never end up learning much of the language. Depressed people, probably. It sucks, honestly.
Near the end he mentions Kaufman saying speakers don't care and do not judge. This IS NOT TRUE IN THE PHILIPPINES. They giggle, laugh and ridicule you. So using the Acquisition Method must be done with those who will not act like the general population. I could give an entire talk on the disaster of language here and horrible experiences I have had.
@@propofol-98 I no longer learn Tagalog or Filipino. I am in the process to acquire as the video by Prof. Brown demonstrates. I have 100 children's books that happen to be in both English and Tagalog though I do not look at the words as they are being read. I also do not read the English at othet times. The translations are often flawed. I have each read ten times then to bottom of the pile. I use about 21 at any given time just not to get bored. My plan is to hear each 50 times. Then I get another 100. The reader may use all, none or part of the writing in the books to tell the story. I keep post its in each book to place marks to keep track. I also track hours per week. I am up to 475 hours. Sadly I did not get enough readings by partner and friends for months. I am now understanding a great deal. I also printed The Most Awesome Word Lisr You Have Ever Seen by Gabriel Wyner at fluent-forever . com my partner put all words in Tagalog. We use that going over each picture telling the story of picture using words assigned to each. Also read low grade level books etc It does not matter if not understood. The brain starts setting up patterns.
@@propofol-98 oh, go to the Poly-glot-a-lot channel at RUclips and scroll to the bottom of the list of videos by Brown and see the main one first for instructions.
Stephen, you would be the prefect person to take on the polyglot problem. For people who want to learn a new language, the polyglots on you tube get in their face and more or less demand that its done a certain way and all this with NO research done by any of these polyglots. The polyglots have a talent for learning languages and they try to cash in by selling a book or CD on how they learned a language. Its insanity to think that because they, with their talent learned a new language a certain way that others can do the same. Its greedy and morally wrong to miss lead people this way. Its time for science to attack the polyglot ignorance and set them straight.
So, we've applied Mr. Krashen's hypothesis and created language courses that are based on "understanding the message." The key difference between our courses and conventional courses is that you need neither grammar nor isolated vocabulary to learn - it's all "comprehensible input", it's all context-based, and you can choose your own material (e.g. jokes, proverbs, ...). Check them out here: www.LanguageFeeling.com
Well, I speak 3 languages expect my native. I literally learned them on my own. And I can tell that there is no exact strategy which can be used for everyone. There is no universe method. All depends on the intelligence and educational background of the person, depends on the circumstances and atmosphere where you are learning, why you are learning and so on. So, my advice to any language learner is this .... Just learn as comfortably as you can, just enjoy the process, and always know why you need this language. And one more thing learn short, smart, quick. Make people say wow, it is the best motivation
Adult Taiwanese and mainlander Mandarin speakers who room with Cantonese speakers (in other countries, such as Aus or the US) for as little as a few months very often pick up a functional use of each other's languages with very little effort. I find that if someone starts a sentence in Mandarin but halfway through resorts to Cantonese ( a common phenomenon with taxi drivers ..etc ...) I have no problems understanding. Yet I've lived in Taiwan for 20 + years and I still find Southern Min more difficult than Cantonese ... so I'm not that impressed by Vincent's story
Can i acquire language just by myself ? I mean... without any language teacher. Because i am learning French. And there is no french people live in my place. Can i still acquire french language by just listening and reading ?
yes, 100%. many people, including myself even prefer it. everyone is different tho, so find whatever way works best for you to incorporate comprehensible input (that’s the key). i personally like starting out with language learning shows or programs such as extra (which you can find here on youtube) and then i like watching kids shows and youtube videos that i find interesting (youtubers and language helps such as easy languages channel). some people use podcasts, novels, any type of listening and reading works really. the key is to make sure you find something that you ENJOY! and that is at a level where you can more or less understand what is being said (not necessarily understanding every word). in the beginning, this will likely be comprised of very simple language as you are new to it all. you can up the difficulty as you start to understand more and more. consume enough of this content, and you’re golden. to help with comprehension (especially when you’re first starting out), find content with lots of visuals, facial expressions and even the occasional vocab translation for context. subtitles in the target language are always great, too! this takes time, be patient and enjoy it! hope this helps. good luck !! :)
I have listened a lot to Krashen. I can't understand only one thing: How is it possible to learn (or acquire, I think there is no much difference in those expressions) a foreign language WITHOUT some comprehension, be it a grammar approach or absolutely any other approach? He just recommends to read and listen more and study grammar less, that's it. But for an adult the grammar increases the ability to read greatly. So where is a revolution in learning a foreign language? I would just call it one out of many methods of learning a foreign language. Before I have ever known Krashen I used to learn some basics of grammar and then mostly to read and listen to simple stories gradually increasing their complexity.
he does say that learning some basic grammars is good as he mentioned briefly in the video that he is not against it. What I take from his lectures is that you study some vocabs and grammar as kick starts for your comprehensible input readings.
True bro. I love the whole NO grammar thing, but the way he described learning here, makes little sense: grab a book, read it and shit will just fall in its place basically. There is no damn way that i can learn mandarin or latvian, simply by reading books and listening to latvians talk latvian. I dont understand a single word they say, how am i supposed to learn anything?? That sounds like magic to me. Its crazy that we have the year 2019 now and there is still little to no concrete and systematic way to learn a language. Its either grammar nazis or liberal nazis and none of them can be applied to everyone. We are one kind - humans - we all have the same geometry and organic functions, and by that i think there should be a method which would help every single person on this planet to acquire new languages. You cant just go out there and expect people to learn simply because you learned it that way. Krashen has done some research and has a decent methodology...but his whole point is that there is no methodology... so idk anymore anything...
I can attest to his theory. The brain is a kind of organ that is very complex and understudied. I am living in Germany and my brain understands some sentences automatically given the context even though I did not know a single grammar rule or not even a gender in the language. Make it comprehend with the help of a dictionary and then try to listen to it many times.
'I would usually remember grammar rules or explanations for short periods of time' Krashen proudly quotes Kaufmann to confirm the validity of his 'comprehensible input' hypothesis and detract from people who believe in skill-building. But that's exactly how long they're meant to be remembered for because because once you learn the correct form through repetition and it becomes automatic, you no longer need them and inevitably forget them. Why does he have to be so disparaging of grammar and not recognise that adults learn in different ways from infants? As Michael Swan pointed out, he has set language language learning back enormously through his dogmatic, one-sided approach to this field of study. He claims no one has ever enjoyed skill-building, a comment that does not reflect well on his abiity to accept criticism - he loves taking a dig at people who happen to disagree with him. It really is a shame that he hasn't been able to acknowledge and accept that language learning is based on numerous, overlapping elements and that there is a large amount of truth in learning theories other than his.
Ikr. After a couple of years spent on just input, I recently got a Russian teacher who is teaching me grammar and we do some speaking as well. It's making a huge difference after only a couple of weeks. If I wanted to spend ten years just listening my way to fluency in Russian then Krashen's way would be fine.
@@outsmokeyou Funnily enough, my experience was opposite. 3 years of studying Russian grammar got me nowhere: couldn't conjugate in real-time, most conjugations in complex sentences just confused me more with all their exceptions to the rule. After 1 year of just listening and reading, I've progressed so far it's insane. I conjugate (mostly) naturally now, and can follow speech in real-time. I still can't explain most of the rules, but what's right and wrong I can just tell by ear now. All of which is to say, like you guys have just said, maybe it really isn't a 'one or the other' deal, maybe different learners succeed/fail in both methods.
Some people focus too much on grammar rules. Some people focus too much on just reading and listening. For one group, more reading and listening is the answer. For the other group, more grammar is the answer. In both cases you've reached a learning plateau. The tool you need to advance is just different.
It's fine for you to disagree with his views, but to conflate his humor as hate frankly doesn't make sense to me, but I certainly might've missed something. What parts did you feel were hateful?
So this seems like a very long winded way of saying to learn a language one much surround themselves with it. I can't believe whole university departments receive government funding to pay old men like this to come up with bologna like this...Also kind of strange to see a person be blatantly political in a public forum by insulting the leader of the US, and also weird how he used Noam Chomspki with disgusting celebrity worship.
I liked his insight on language learning, but I didn't exactly appreciated his comments about Donald Trump, not funny, keep your political opinions to yourself. Why do you bring politics into a beneficial language discussion?
@Adam Stryker Right. But what has trump to do with language learning exactly?? Would you forgive him if he started talking about algebra during the presentation and argue that algebra is an important part of the world and he can talk about whatever the fuck he wants?
@aj stryker Not sure where the OP proposed a ban. chewee is right. Talking about politics in a setting that has nothing to do with politics is very unprofessional.
@@ADHDlanguages I can't be bothered to check. It's a waste of time fact checking on youtube. You just got to hope most right thinking people will not be affected by too much shit on there.
Makes total sense though? Foreigners usually marry people from the same country. Therefore incestuous by their unique standard as they have the same native language.
Agreed. This is hardly the appropriate venue for such a dignified educator to mention politics unrelated to the talk or to embarrass himself in displaying his Trump Derangement Syndrome. This part of his otherwise informative talk will not age well.
What does President Trump has anything to do with this? I wish you profesor could drop the stupid comments about him and focus on your teaching. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can be so smart for some things and so stupid for others.
Irritating isn't it? If it's not relevant to the discussion then keep your politics to yourself! Don't insult half your audience right from the beginning.
Nearly two years later, Stephen......and still no Impeachment......that's because there's NO crime.....do you COMPREHEND, Mr. Krashen.......you're like a little child that can't get his way. MAGA 2020.
Yes the language expert is the little child not the one president who desperately tweets positive quotes about himself from morning show sycophants daily.
@@TonyBraun The House of Representatives voted to impeach the 45th President, Dond Trump, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress on December 18, 2019. The vote fell largely along party lines: 230 in favor, 197 against and 1 present. Trump became only the third president ever to be impeached. You can be impeached and still be the president afterwards look it up
@@rudymelo880 The US Senate on Wednesday 05-02-2020 acquitted President Donald Trump on two articles of impeachment, rejecting the House’s charges that he should be removed from office for abusing his power and obstructing the congressional investigation into his conduct.......extract from the real world.
24:55 And how would you ever get the accord right if yo do NOT study grammar? Imho it's impossible to become proficient in languages like French, German or Polish without learning grammar and btw most native speakers that are uneducated in grammar are not proficient in their own language, either.
You learn the vocabulary first through comprehensible input. Once you know 5000 words then get a verb book . Then later a grammar book but spend most of the time reading and listening.
Going with the flow, I would say that variation is key, by all means, when you don't know anything about a language, do use duolingo, after you finish the tree you will have a good idea of the overall structures of the language. But don't forget listening to songs, doing shadowing, reading loads. watching TV series and so on.
Dr. Krashen is right. My twelve years old daugter speaks amercan english fluently only by listening and watching programs of interest on youtube. Though she lives in Morocco and never visited USA or any english speaking country.
Wow. Amazing
Can i acquire language just by myself ? I mean... without any language teacher. Because i am learning French. And there is no french people live in my place. Can i still acquire french language by just listening and reading ?
@@Gaurav.P0 Yes, it's possible. I've done so, to a limited extent, with Spanish (I still speak with natives, but the majority of my knowledge comes from study), but I reckon that the comprehension aspect of your learning will be hindered/slowed if you don't practice with natives. You'd have to counteract that with studying grammar and listening a lot to understand what may be said to you.
But, don't worry about that! I recommend checking out apps like Italki, where you can be paired with native speakers who can speak with you in French and any other language.
@@dudeofsteel3118 Thanks a lot my friend ❤️
@@Gaurav.P0 Go watch French in Action. It's at learner.org, available for free. It's 52 episodes, they start off easy and get gradually more complicated as it goes on. Watch it entirely like 3 or 4 times, it'll give you a great start and then you'll be able to go out and use all sorts of online resources that'll be comprehensible to you. You'll learn 5x more from watching french in action a few times than you will in years of classroom study.. After that, there's all sorts of youtube channels of people speaking deliberately simplified french so it's comprehensible to learners. Children's books are great sources of comprehensible input. The kindle app is fantastic, you can just touch a word and it'll bring up the translation and definition, no having to search through a giant-ass paper dictionary. It's all about getting hundreds of hours of comprehensible input, you can get a decent level without ever meeting another french speaker.
This gives me such freedom because now I can enjoy reading books and simply watch fun videos while forgetting about memorizing vocabularies and worrying about better way to improve my language skills because nothing ever worked for me to stay long enough with traditional method on learning
Same. Trying to memorize the billion Russian grammar rules - and equal number of exceptions to those rules - left me so defeated and frustrated that I went out searching for a better way. That's when I stumbled on this method, and have instead been enjoying and acquiring the language ever since :)
How has your progress been during the last year?
That's what I always do and it has always worked. But for some unknown reason people have it stuck in their heads that you can learn language like you do maths.
@@sandwichbreath0 Russian is my second language and I speak it pretty much fluent even better than my mother tongue. I never learned grammar at all. All I did is massive exposure through watching, listening and reading a lot of things.
@@sandwichbreath0 have you continued dawg? How is it today?
What a speech!!Love him..not so often you can listen to a beautiful lecture like this..and I think no one couldn’t agree with him more...Comprehensible input is key..Every polyglot has some personal strategy to achieve fluency in a given language..but none of them does it without relying on comprehensible input.
Krashen: I expect people around me to applaud.
Audience: 👏
Krashen: No, no, that's not what I meant!
Audience: 👏 *INTENSIFIES*
Dr. Krashen is always engaging and motivating. Wonderful, and comprehensible, presentation.
It's a really useful video. Thanks for uploading!
Glad you enjoyed it. Dr Krashen was really a treat for us for that got the chance to interact with him and see him present live. He is definitely one of the most knowledgeable persons on the topic of comprehensible input and language learning.
Did you attend LangFest Vadim ?
Simply Beautiful and smart. Thanks dr. krashen
I really like this! Omg! I feel sooo inspired to continue learning German and Afrikaans without fear! And ALSO, to hear him say he like the Cartoon "Sponge Bob"...I almost cried because it's one of my favourite movies!
Great video. Definitely life-changing. Just read a book without caring about how many words you already don't know.
I know Krashen personally and he has inspired my work greatly. In fact, he is a character in my Bart book.
Krashen pokes fun at himself when the challengers absolutely BASHED him in the 80's and 90's.
This man kept millions in the profession and should have a statue in Washington D.C. 🇺🇸
you're rigt
Good video! Thanks to the author for his good work! I'd like to recommend Yuri Ivantsiv's practice book Polyglot's Notes: Practical Tips for Learning a Foreign Language. This book has many useful methods for learning a foreign language, how to develop your memory, how to memorize words, learn grammar, quickly learn to speak, read and write. All recommend this excellent book! Good luck to everyone in learning a foreign language!
Testing too early and too extensively is the problem with learning languages.
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Professor Krashen, everything you say is not new for me. I am self taught so I learned English that way,
I wish every English teachers watched this.
Please, describe your steps. How did you learn English?
@@Gaurav.P0 First:Forget all about grammar.
Second: Listen/watch every thing, anything in English all the time.
Third: Read a lot. Read every thing, any thing. Start with children's books.
Forth: Use dictionary English-English. Not bilingual one.
Fifth: It takes time to improve. Work on it every day even for just 30 minutes.
Last but not least: Read, watch and listen to things you like.
Good luck.
@@SophyaAgain Thank you 🙏
@Thiagoshr Sure. Unfortunately the majority of them don’t believe it, do they?
We can learn proper English by quality reading and “popular” English watching sitcoms.
I like very much “studying” movies’ subtitles. They are very resourceful. Cheers.
@@Gaurav.P0 BTH, try these folks. They are my favorites. Rachel was supposed to become a classic singer and Shane to be using his degree in International Relations. The reason they are so good (IMO) is that they are not trained teachers.
ruclips.net/video/UNnzPydhQXU/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/AU0x40PHD04/видео.html
I am looking forward to seeing input-based language acquisition as the main language learning program around the globe! Stephen Krashen is a Legend. And he knows that 😉
Love your channel!
yeah krashen also likes spongebob. I think limewiring spongebob episodes that I had already watched in dutch took a large part in me acquiring english.
Thanks a lot. It is very inspiring !
Fantastic lecture. what a dude
He is both funny and helpful in learning languages.
Amazing speech!
19:42 Krashen says "luddite". It roughly means someone who opposes change and technology. Typically used in a negative connotation. It's really satisfying to see words in the wild that are almost never used.
I love listening to Krashen. I don't think anyone will disagree that compelling comprehensible input is the best way to go. But I still use apps like Anki etc., to help me learn too. Without studying, how will you be able to read even a comic book? And where do you draw the line between just studying or engaging with comprehensible input? If I use Anki to review example sentences in Japanese for a few years and eventually get a good intermediate level of Japanese, is that thanks to focused studying is it because I was engaging in comprehensible (if not the most interesting) input?
There are a couple of possibilities (I use anki too btw), probably the best one is Lingq, the content there is very gradual.
What I'd like Krashen to explain is why Anki isn't comprehensible input. I ascribe to the Fluent Forever methodology which insists on not using your native language to learn your target language, but instead an image and then the word for that image on the back with pronunciation and spelling testing along with it if you're so inclined. It's not different from his example I've seen him do before with German, holds up hand, points to it, then says Hand in German, ok we get it, that's the word for hand, points to ears, says word for ears, points to eyes, says word for eyes... how is that different from a photo of eyes and the flip side of the Anki card both spelling out and speaking the word? It's comprehensible input as far as I'm concerned. It's only when you're mentally translating that it breaks that rule in my mind.
Even Fluent Forever methods tend to avoid grammar rules, just put examples of those rules without calling them rules in your Anki deck for review. Eventually the grammar will naturally be acquired.
I've heard Lingodeer is good for Japanese.
RIP everyone who had headphones on at 0:14
So nice that he has such a good sense of humour
Loved this
The fact krashen watches regular show is chefs kiss
Some people, myself included, actually learn grammar more easily than any other aspect of language. If that's the kind of mind you have, then getting plenty of grammar instruction really cuts to the chase.
I like grammar too. As does Stephen Krashen. The question is, is it what leads to use of the language? For you? For me?
What I know FOR SURE is that in my native language, grammar (exact and correct finesses of grammar) came from input, not from study of grammar (which wasn't the fashion when I was in school).
What qualifies as comprehensible input when you do not know any vocabulary in the target language? Is there prep work that needs to be accomplished prior to engaging in CI? Or, should I begin with a translation dictionary.
Honestly? kids Tv is a lifesaver, specially the ones meant for the younger ones, it will help you gain vocab and start putting yourself out there, also use children's songs and stories
That s why it s better to remain as hyothesis than as theory
Loved it. I would like to hear more about comparing comprehensible input to other leading methods, not the audiolingual method or grammar-drill-vocabulary-dialogue approach which as far as I am concerned, was proven to be ineffective over 25 years ago. Compare it to other more effective methods such as communicative approach, total physical response, and immersion. And do you consider comprehensible input to be based on the natural approach, or is it something different?
Skill building doesn't work. I tried it, I really did, hundreds and hundreds of hours, finally went to France, couldn't understand anything.. Switched to comprehensible input and my ability took off.. I actually did read his book like 10 years ago.
What exactly you did
@Rajkumari Patel Quit "studying" altogether. No more grammar exercises. None, they're useless, or maybe less than useless.. Focus on finding material that you can understand. Cartoons and children's books are great sources of easy to understand content. At the very beginning, you'll probably need materials that are made for beginners (stuff like Destinos or French in Action). There's also podcasts and youtube channels where the people speak with a more limited vocabulary to make it more understandable. Repetition is great. The first time you listen to a podcast you might only understand 60% or 70%, but listen to it a 2nd time you'll then get 70% to 80%, listen a third time you get even more. The key is you understand what you're listening to and you just gradually add in more and more difficult material.... Just think of it this way, say it takes you 15 minutes to decipher one page of an adult level book vs in that same 15 minutes you could read 7 or 8 pages of a children's book. Which one do you think will result in better acquisition?
Do you practice in speaking? I mean like how to pronounce a word/sentence after you hear/read the comprehensible input..
@@ricchanse9166 Opinions differ, but my opinion is to listen and read for a very long time before you start producing output (like a couple hundred hours before trying to have a conversation). But really, just talk when you feel like you're ready, just don't be pressured into it. Acquisition is input driven and output follows, you can't talk until you've acquired... You have to acquire the phonological system first by listening before you can speak it. Reading won't teach you how to speak. (reading teaches you to write. You must be able to read before you can write)
As far as pronunciation and accent. After you've listened long enough that you feel like you understand the sounds of the language, start small. Listen to words, and try to repeat the word or parts of the word, sort of like babbling. Always listen first, then try to repeat as best you can. Let your ears guide you. You'll often find that certain sounds are hard to say, so seek out words with that sound and hear it in different contexts. Many online dictionaries are good sources of single words clearly pronounced in isolation... Then work your way up to phrases. Listen to and repeat a whole sentence while matching the intonation... As you're getting tons of comprehensible audio input, you'll start to notice patterns in the intonation and "music" of the language, try to mimic it... You can record sound into anki flash cards and repeat the words and phrases you hear there as you do the cards...And finally, when you do talk, just have fun. You probably will always have an accent, but that's a good thing. When you go to a foreign country, as soon as people hear your accent, all of a sudden you're interesting and people will often want to talk.
@@hrmIwonder do you translate words to your native language or just try try to predict them wether in reading or hearing them, i really don't want to translate but sometimes my mind tells me to do it.
58:28 I COMPLETELY agree with it.
this is awesome video i didnt even try to learn English but i am so good at daily conversation i used omegle to chat with guys there and even i can speak some other languages lol and i am an Arabic speaker
That is so neat! I can hardly believe that this method really works but it is exciting to think about! I'm so happy for you!
I can confirm also. I spent 2-3 years studying Russian grammar, failing constantly. One day, after getting back more work covered in corrections, I felt so sad and defeated and thought, "How do Russian toddlers manage to memorize all these convoluted rules? How do they arrive at their first day of school already speaking, like we do in English?" The answer was obvious - they must learn another way. My search led me to Krashen's work, and I switched entirely to this method. Only then did I start making progress. Acquisition takes time, but it works. I still remember the first time I immediately understood a full sentence. The Russian just went straight in, like English does -- a second later, when I thought about it consciously, I was so hyped and excited that my brain was indeed solving the puzzle on its own automatically. It really is like magic.
Very interesting. I wonder how well it will work for only 3 months.
I knew he was a lunatic when I first saw his 1980 videos.
I'm in love with you Sir!
Seriously Donald trump is a brand and a landmark character in USA politics. Like "Marmite" there is a group which hate/insult him. There is a group which unconditionally like/love him. I like Krashen also.
28:04 "Terminator 7" 😂😂
Start at 6:17
Impeach Biden!
DANKE MEIN FREUND MI GRATITUD ¿'´+++++++
23:10 That's true. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
25:00 Language aquisition is gradual
But what if you don't find _anything_ compelling? I suspect their are a certain percentage of people that have this problem, and maybe those are the people who never end up learning much of the language. Depressed people, probably. It sucks, honestly.
Near the end he mentions Kaufman saying speakers don't care and do not judge. This IS NOT TRUE IN THE PHILIPPINES. They giggle, laugh and ridicule you. So using the Acquisition Method must be done with those who will not act like the general population. I could give an entire talk on the disaster of language here and horrible experiences I have had.
@@propofol-98 I no longer learn Tagalog or Filipino. I am in the process to acquire as the video by Prof. Brown demonstrates. I have 100 children's books that happen to be in both English and Tagalog though I do not look at the words as they are being read. I also do not read the English at othet times. The translations are often flawed. I have each read ten times then to bottom of the pile. I use about 21 at any given time just not to get bored. My plan is to hear each 50 times. Then I get another 100. The reader may use all, none or part of the writing in the books to tell the story. I keep post its in each book to place marks to keep track. I also track hours per week. I am up to 475 hours. Sadly I did not get enough readings by partner and friends for months. I am now understanding a great deal. I also printed The Most Awesome Word Lisr You Have Ever Seen by Gabriel Wyner at fluent-forever . com my partner put all words in Tagalog. We use that going over each picture telling the story of picture using words assigned to each.
Also read low grade level books etc It does not matter if not understood. The brain starts setting up patterns.
@@propofol-98 oh, go to the Poly-glot-a-lot channel at RUclips and scroll to the bottom of the list of videos by Brown and see the main one first for instructions.
Long Cato?? How is this name writen?
What was the joke he made in French? I feel left out 😢
I speak French very well now. I speak French like a Spanish cow (a common French expression).
Stephen, you would be the prefect person to take on the polyglot problem. For people who want to learn a new language, the polyglots on you tube get in their face and more or less demand that its done a certain way and all this with NO research done by any of these polyglots. The polyglots have a talent for learning languages and they try to cash in by selling a book or CD on how they learned a language. Its insanity to think that because they, with their talent learned a new language a certain way that others can do the same. Its greedy and morally wrong to miss lead people this way. Its time for science to attack the polyglot ignorance and set them straight.
Funny fucking guy.
So, we've applied Mr. Krashen's hypothesis and created language courses that are based on "understanding the message." The key difference between our courses and conventional courses is that you need neither grammar nor isolated vocabulary to learn - it's all "comprehensible input", it's all context-based, and you can choose your own material (e.g. jokes, proverbs, ...). Check them out here: www.LanguageFeeling.com
I checked. Your site is still under construction 6 months down the track :-(
William Lucas still under construction Xd
@@milanschouten6533 still under construction
Well, I speak 3 languages expect my native. I literally learned them on my own. And I can tell that there is no exact strategy which can be used for everyone. There is no universe method. All depends on the intelligence and educational background of the person, depends on the circumstances and atmosphere where you are learning, why you are learning and so on. So, my advice to any language learner is this .... Just learn as comfortably as you can, just enjoy the process, and always know why you need this language. And one more thing learn short, smart, quick. Make people say wow, it is the best motivation
You probably won't tell me. But do you live in an Africa
59:30 The ultimate seduction
Unrelated but 5:59 reminds me that people have been wanting to impeach Trump since he was elected
since before he was elected, the leftists still don´t have anything, sad
Unsuccessfully😣
@@socorromedrano7399 You gotta go back
54:37 I'm saying man the audience is sooo dead.
Nice! Smart man even if he is an "orange man bad" sort lol
@@Skimmiksify what a shock, educated people sharing common opinions, really makes one wonder.
And your pink so what's your point ?
@Shonen MC He's like all lefties, his thinking has become polluted by his HATRED.....the first thing out of his mouth is HATRED.
What if all the smart people think orange man bad because orange man... indeed bad? A wild proposition, I know.
3:28 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Adult Taiwanese and mainlander Mandarin speakers who room with Cantonese speakers (in other countries, such as Aus or the US) for as little as a few months very often pick up a functional use of each other's languages with very little effort. I find that if someone starts a sentence in Mandarin but halfway through resorts to Cantonese ( a common phenomenon with taxi drivers ..etc ...) I have no problems understanding. Yet I've lived in Taiwan for 20 + years and I still find Southern Min more difficult than Cantonese ... so I'm not that impressed by Vincent's story
24:45-24:57 😂😂
Genius
#2 @ 27:00
For Optimal Language Acquisition the input has to be so interesting that you even forget that it's in another language.
The comprehensible input has to be compelling.
ok
Perhaps, the language camp is pushed by people who want to sell language textbooks for schools at all levels? :)
Can i acquire language just by myself ? I mean... without any language teacher. Because i am learning French. And there is no french people live in my place. Can i still acquire french language by just listening and reading ?
yes, 100%. many people, including myself even prefer it. everyone is different tho, so find whatever way works best for you to incorporate comprehensible input (that’s the key). i personally like starting out with language learning shows or programs such as extra (which you can find here on youtube) and then i like watching kids shows and youtube videos that i find interesting (youtubers and language helps such as easy languages channel). some people use podcasts, novels, any type of listening and reading works really. the key is to make sure you find something that you ENJOY! and that is at a level where you can more or less understand what is being said (not necessarily understanding every word). in the beginning, this will likely be comprised of very simple language as you are new to it all. you can up the difficulty as you start to understand more and more. consume enough of this content, and you’re golden. to help with comprehension (especially when you’re first starting out), find content with lots of visuals, facial expressions and even the occasional vocab translation for context. subtitles in the target language are always great, too! this takes time, be patient and enjoy it! hope this helps. good luck !! :)
@@ashleygrace4761 Thanks a lot my friend ❤️
I have listened a lot to Krashen. I can't understand only one thing: How is it possible to learn (or acquire, I think there is no much difference in those expressions) a foreign language WITHOUT some comprehension, be it a grammar approach or absolutely any other approach?
He just recommends to read and listen more and study grammar less, that's it. But for an adult the grammar increases the ability to read greatly. So where is a revolution in learning a foreign language? I would just call it one out of many methods of learning a foreign language. Before I have ever known Krashen I used to learn some basics of grammar and then mostly to read and listen to simple stories gradually increasing their complexity.
he does say that learning some basic grammars is good as he mentioned briefly in the video that he is not against it. What I take from his lectures is that you study some vocabs and grammar as kick starts for your comprehensible input readings.
@@leviackerman3308 I agree, yes, reading, but why to add "comprehensible"? Is there "uncomprehensible" reading?
True bro. I love the whole NO grammar thing, but the way he described learning here, makes little sense: grab a book, read it and shit will just fall in its place basically. There is no damn way that i can learn mandarin or latvian, simply by reading books and listening to latvians talk latvian. I dont understand a single word they say, how am i supposed to learn anything?? That sounds like magic to me. Its crazy that we have the year 2019 now and there is still little to no concrete and systematic way to learn a language. Its either grammar nazis or liberal nazis and none of them can be applied to everyone. We are one kind - humans - we all have the same geometry and organic functions, and by that i think there should be a method which would help every single person on this planet to acquire new languages. You cant just go out there and expect people to learn simply because you learned it that way. Krashen has done some research and has a decent methodology...but his whole point is that there is no methodology... so idk anymore anything...
Translation is a good method to start. LingQ uses these method and it's great!
I can attest to his theory. The brain is a kind of organ that is very complex and understudied. I am living in Germany and my brain understands some sentences automatically given the context even though I did not know a single grammar rule or not even a gender in the language. Make it comprehend with the help of a dictionary and then try to listen to it many times.
Bet you wouldn't said that about Putting in Russia. Lots of knowledge but no wisdom, some of us acquire it with age, some other's not.😰😰😰
'I would usually remember grammar rules or explanations for short periods of time' Krashen proudly quotes Kaufmann to confirm the validity of his 'comprehensible input' hypothesis and detract from people who believe in skill-building. But that's exactly how long they're meant to be remembered for because because once you learn the correct form through repetition and it becomes automatic, you no longer need them and inevitably forget them. Why does he have to be so disparaging of grammar and not recognise that adults learn in different ways from infants? As Michael Swan pointed out, he has set language language learning back enormously through his dogmatic, one-sided approach to this field of study. He claims no one has ever enjoyed skill-building, a comment that does not reflect well on his abiity to accept criticism - he loves taking a dig at people who happen to disagree with him. It really is a shame that he hasn't been able to acknowledge and accept that language learning is based on numerous, overlapping elements and that there is a large amount of truth in learning theories other than his.
Ikr. After a couple of years spent on just input, I recently got a Russian teacher who is teaching me grammar and we do some speaking as well. It's making a huge difference after only a couple of weeks.
If I wanted to spend ten years just listening my way to fluency in Russian then Krashen's way would be fine.
"He claims no one has ever enjoyed skill-building"
Where did he that?
I´ve only heard him say "Only 5% of people like grammar".
@@outsmokeyou Funnily enough, my experience was opposite. 3 years of studying Russian grammar got me nowhere: couldn't conjugate in real-time, most conjugations in complex sentences just confused me more with all their exceptions to the rule. After 1 year of just listening and reading, I've progressed so far it's insane. I conjugate (mostly) naturally now, and can follow speech in real-time. I still can't explain most of the rules, but what's right and wrong I can just tell by ear now. All of which is to say, like you guys have just said, maybe it really isn't a 'one or the other' deal, maybe different learners succeed/fail in both methods.
Some people focus too much on grammar rules. Some people focus too much on just reading and listening. For one group, more reading and listening is the answer. For the other group, more grammar is the answer. In both cases you've reached a learning plateau. The tool you need to advance is just different.
50:47
Never saw him speaking other languages.
Idiot?! anti Trump? haha best joke
I heard Donald Trump and I love him already
"All languages in the world have pronouns" is a thesis not a hypothesis.
The constant trump hate was pretty dry.
Hate in any form is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself krashen.
Beyond that, all good content.
It's fine for you to disagree with his views, but to conflate his humor as hate frankly doesn't make sense to me, but I certainly might've missed something. What parts did you feel were hateful?
So this seems like a very long winded way of saying to learn a language one much surround themselves with it. I can't believe whole university departments receive government funding to pay old men like this to come up with bologna like this...Also kind of strange to see a person be blatantly political in a public forum by insulting the leader of the US, and also weird how he used Noam Chomspki with disgusting celebrity worship.
I liked his insight on language learning, but I didn't exactly appreciated his comments about Donald Trump, not funny, keep your political opinions to yourself. Why do you bring politics into a beneficial language discussion?
I'm guessing he wants to scare away the snowflakes.
@Adam Stryker Right. But what has trump to do with language learning exactly?? Would you forgive him if he started talking about algebra during the presentation and argue that algebra is an important part of the world and he can talk about whatever the fuck he wants?
Also this was a lot of rambling. I made it half way and regret that much.
Perhaps you shouldn't be doing anti-trump vents on your professional presentations - not very professional, Robert DeNiro.
He's Stephen fucking Krashen, he can do whatever he wants, pay attention to his theory, not to his politic opinions.
@@gabeglota We will as it seems his politics opinions are stupid :p
@@gabeglota his opinions are spot on.
@aj stryker Not sure where the OP proposed a ban. chewee is right. Talking about politics in a setting that has nothing to do with politics is very unprofessional.
@@beefsteax envy?
I love him but the trump jabs are quite annoying🙄
I totally agree.
Do you need a safe space, snowflake?
Prometheus i can tell youre DeFiNiTeLy a mature person to have discussions with
@@pinkfurryhat Meanwhile, you're DeFiNiTeLy a big advocate for freedom of speech.
Prometheus um... yes? Are you NOT?
Mr. Krashen
Keep your politics out of you teaching. They are unrelated.
37.12 'you cant marry anyone who speaks your first language.they considered foreigners to be incestuous'. Makes no sense to me.
He meant to say "NON foreigners" I think.
@@ADHDlanguages
I can't be bothered to check. It's a waste of time fact checking on youtube. You just got to hope most right thinking people will not be affected by too much shit on there.
It's not really fact checking it's just the only way that what he's saying would make sense.
yeah that part got me confused a bit too, i think he slipped there
Makes total sense though?
Foreigners usually marry people from the same country. Therefore incestuous by their unique standard as they have the same native language.
Insulting the President of the United States, or any World leader is never appropriate or appreciated by educated people.
Agreed. This is hardly the appropriate venue for such a dignified educator to mention politics unrelated to the talk or to embarrass himself in displaying his Trump Derangement Syndrome. This part of his otherwise informative talk will not age well.
Waste of time. He speaks a lot but doesn’t say much of any importance.
What does President Trump has anything to do with this? I wish you profesor could drop the stupid comments about him and focus on your teaching. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can be so smart for some things and so stupid for others.
He does focus on his work ) maybe certain people should enjoy the talk and drop their stupid comments :))
Irritating isn't it? If it's not relevant to the discussion then keep your politics to yourself! Don't insult half your audience right from the beginning.
@@mydadletsmeshootatcats6754 You wish!
Jo man, black english is the result of never learning any grammar. Dig it?
Nearly two years later, Stephen......and still no Impeachment......that's because there's NO crime.....do you COMPREHEND, Mr. Krashen.......you're like a little child that can't get his way.
MAGA 2020.
Yes the language expert is the little child not the one president who desperately tweets positive quotes about himself from morning show sycophants daily.
He was impeached dumbass
@@rudymelo880 ......when
@@TonyBraun The House of Representatives voted to impeach the 45th President, Dond Trump, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress on December 18, 2019. The vote fell largely along party lines: 230 in favor, 197 against and 1 present. Trump became only the third president ever to be impeached. You can be impeached and still be the president afterwards look it up
@@rudymelo880 The US Senate on Wednesday 05-02-2020 acquitted President Donald Trump on two articles of impeachment, rejecting the House’s charges that he should be removed from office for abusing his power and obstructing the congressional investigation into his conduct.......extract from the real world.
Don't talk bad about our President buddy.
Snowflake?
24:55 And how would you ever get the accord right if yo do NOT study grammar? Imho it's impossible to become proficient in languages like French, German or Polish without learning grammar and btw most native speakers that are uneducated in grammar are not proficient in their own language, either.
False
Avid readers usually present above average grammar even when they don't have any formal education.
You learn the vocabulary first through comprehensible input. Once you know 5000 words then get a verb book . Then later a grammar book but spend most of the time reading and listening.
Here is a video on that subject you may find interesting:
ruclips.net/video/illApgaLgGA/видео.html
Going with the flow, I would say that variation is key, by all means, when you don't know anything about a language, do use duolingo, after you finish the tree you will have a good idea of the overall structures of the language. But don't forget listening to songs, doing shadowing, reading loads. watching TV series and so on.
Krashen is so boring and self-absorbed.
This is suppose to be pleasurable.
Why did your politician view have to enter this?
You're Goofy himself, miserable your presentation!