Index's Weirdest Villain Group Explained

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  • Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024

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  • @AeonofHorus
    @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +12

    This video was voted for on my Patreon: www.patreon.com/aeonofhorus
    Check out Why Touma Forgives Terrible People: ruclips.net/video/eRMBT65WMFc/видео.html

  • @misaka3468
    @misaka3468 4 месяца назад +55

    Aeon pronouncing Trismegistus' name correctly was a nice touch

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +11

      It was a learning curve 😂

    • @Althedemonking1076
      @Althedemonking1076 4 месяца назад +9

      It's annoying enough to read it write, much less pronounce.

  • @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster
    @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster 4 месяца назад +37

    5:38. Poor Touma that bad luck will never go away

  • @hyoenmadan
    @hyoenmadan 4 месяца назад +24

    "Yeah, the choice is yours... But also the consequences are yours and yours alone. No gods, no system, no excuses. If your choice backfires, it will be only at you."

  • @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster
    @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster 4 месяца назад +32

    0:28. Toaru fan service normal for this franchise... ...

    • @Harry-jw8dt
      @Harry-jw8dt 4 месяца назад +4

      Perhaps one day, 20 years from now, they will finally animate this, at this rate we wouldn't get the NT for another few years never mind getting to GT 😂😂😒😮‍💨.

  • @cadr003
    @cadr003 4 месяца назад +21

    The Transcendents and Toumas parallel was well put!

  • @MrGalath
    @MrGalath 4 месяца назад +9

    With that title I thought you were going to talk about a GROUP of perverts

  • @2ndpersona106
    @2ndpersona106 4 месяца назад +6

    I like how you perfectly correlates the Transcendants to Touma's new identity (post OT 1). As someone who is still reading half of OT, I now understand why the ToAru fandom (specifically in Reddit) are hyping and have very long thoughts about this particular arc in Index. I really don't mind the spoilers though since I'll forget them anyway...
    But still I can't wait to get to *that* part of that cliffhanger in GT. But that would take months of reading, and especially I'm excited first about the NT first since we all know where that is heading 😏

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад +1

      Enjoy the journey :) its a long one but its worth it, try taking a few notes here and there of little moments you particular liked it ends up adding up in having good moments in the long run

    • @2ndpersona106
      @2ndpersona106 4 месяца назад +1

      @@pierocolombo2643 Thanks! I'll take notes of it Haha

    • @kamijounotouma5596
      @kamijounotouma5596 4 месяца назад

      Oh a Reddit regular! Hope you're enjoying the series.

  • @deathbeforedishonor6523
    @deathbeforedishonor6523 4 месяца назад +3

    Well that was certainly eye opening. My own personally knowledge about the transcendence was severely lacking so I learned way more then expected from the video. This is one of those videos I will have to save and rewatch again. There is a lot in interesting things and game changing notions in here to take in. On a side note, the way you had the uncensored sign rotating around really had me on the edge of my seat trying to catch the small glimpses of the avatar it was covering lol.

  • @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster
    @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster 4 месяца назад +10

    Aron dropping vids. This will be good . Lets go.

  • @andresperez9301
    @andresperez9301 4 месяца назад +2

    Great video, it was fun learning about the group. Hope you can talk about certain members of the group like Bologna Succubus and others.

  • @tristanboss7319
    @tristanboss7319 4 месяца назад +15

    Uh, one thing.
    Power aside, the special transcendents don't actually need secret chiefs to use their powers.
    1-Anna Sprengal became a transcendent of Anna Sprengal first, then used that power to summon Awaiss later, this is stated in gt10. She did it because on her own she couldn't come close to the real Anna Kingsford even with transcendent power, so she tried filling in the gaps with Awaiss.
    2- CRC and Alice seemingly have no connection or dependency on the secret chiefs power-wise at all. They are independently powerful.
    Only the normal transcendents need secret chiefs, because they are all basically immitations of Alice. They are mass produced and obtain power by having Alice open a rift in the world to connect them to a secret chief. Because they can't become transcendents on their own. They are dependent on Alice and on the secret chiefs for power, because they didn't become transcendents on their own.

    • @imaginerejector1429
      @imaginerejector1429 4 месяца назад +3

      While Anna became Anna Sprengel on her own and then used Aiwass for a further boost, GT7's Between the Lines implies that she was contacted by the Secret Chiefs to be their priestess before becoming Anna Sprengel. This can be implied because she's asked by "a being" if she's willing to become "a vessel" to achieve her goal. It's then stated she become a Transcendent. So while yes, Alice and CRC don't seem to have power from the Secret Chiefs, Anna seems to have been tied to them before boosting herself with Aiwass.
      And we also can't rule out the possibility of the Divine Cosplay spell itself coming from the Secret Chiefs. It's started to have been made by a "Teacher of Crowley." While Aleister had various human teachers, real life Aleister claimed contact with at least 4 (possibly 5) Secret Chiefs; Aiwass, Abuldiz, Amalantrah, and an unnamed person he says was "a companion" of his. So there's some possibility that Secret Chiefs could've created this spell.
      For more evidence, in NT22R, Anna says that it's more convenient to set oneself up in a position that allows them to draw on Secret Chief power than to go through the process of becoming one. While it's not explicitly stated, this is probably referring to becoming a Transcendent. So there's some tie between Divine Cosplay and being able to draw on the power of a Transcendent.
      However, for now, it is only Regular Transcendents and Anna that are explicitly confirmed to have ties to Secret Chiefs and you don't need Secret Chiefs' power to become a Transcendent. But, there is a slight hint that Alice might've had power from a Secret Chief too, that being the fact that she seemed to be part of the summoning ritual. Certain lines of dialogue seem to imply that the spells borrowed from the Secret Chiefs combined elements of the Transcendents' characters with Magickal concepts, seemingly to allow each one to contribute to the ritual. But it's never explicitly stated she's connected to a Secret Chief.

    • @tristanboss7319
      @tristanboss7319 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@imaginerejector1429 In Anna Sprengal's case it's possible the secret chiefs taught her how, but she ultimately came up with her own method and still became a transcendent herself. It would be far more difficult then just having Alice make the link. Alternatively, it's possible the secret cheifs only contacted her after she became a transcendent, recognizing she had the potential to summon them. As she couldn't match Kingsford on her own and needed Awaiss to fill in the gaps.
      My point is simply that transcendents are not just magicians borrowing power from secret chiefs, there's more to them than that.

    • @imaginerejector1429
      @imaginerejector1429 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tristanboss7319I agree, there is definitely more to it than that. But on the Sprengel point, I think the first possibility is more likely since a "being" offered her to become "a vessel" and that started her path to becoming a Transcendent.

    • @tristanboss7319
      @tristanboss7319 4 месяца назад +2

      @@imaginerejector1429 Regardless, I'm pretty sure CRC had no connection to them. And I think there are alternative ways to become a transcendent than just using the power of secret chiefs. In CRC's(and also Anna's) case they used the seven walled tomb as a battery. I suppose the cosplay was to create a way to absorb and use that power while remaining human. Anna says she needed Awaiss to fill in the gaps, CRC as a true expert, could probably do it on his own.
      I think Alice's power functions independentally of them, although she probably could draw power from them if she wanted.

    • @imaginerejector1429
      @imaginerejector1429 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tristanboss7319 I agree that they don't need Secret Chiefs' power, but the regular ones at least seemed to, but CRC didn't and Anna might not have initially. Being a Transcendent seems to be the Divine Cosplay, but for regular Transcendents, seems like borrowing Secret Chiefs' power helps. Is CRC a True Expert? He uses spells, spiritual items, etc, rather than using the basics to their fullest

  • @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
    @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 4 месяца назад +5

    8:13 ok basically buncha Megumins :3

  • @Althedemonking1076
    @Althedemonking1076 4 месяца назад +5

    Converting pleasure to pain? When I feel pleasure from the pain, would that get converted and enter a cycle of increasing itself till my consciousness sleeps from joy or suffering

  • @Sad1_SadoYasu
    @Sad1_SadoYasu 4 месяца назад +1

    Allways the best explaination about this wonderfull series!
    Thanks Aeon!

  • @dpolaristar4634
    @dpolaristar4634 4 месяца назад +3

    A good comparison would be God's Right Seat Magicians or even Espers, tbh I think a lot of the Level 5's if they got buffed could be on a similar level of power to regular Transcendents. (Not Irregular ones except Accelerator, and Maybe later Kakine and Gunha.)

  • @pierocolombo2643
    @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад +1

    Its funny how this video released in a good timing.
    Im not sure how many people here play destiny 2 or have played it in their life but the most recent dlc dropped 2 days ago and has a mechanic called "transcendence" which basically lets go become op spamming abilities for a bit kinda like risk 4 😂

  • @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster
    @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster 4 месяца назад +4

    6:48 So basically the Magic Gods are more powerful then the Transcendents, got it.

    • @calebjames745
      @calebjames745 4 месяца назад +5

      Nope.
      Transcendents are never stated to be "weaker" than Magic Gods, just different.

    • @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster
      @Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@calebjames745Oh, thanks for clearing that up

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +2

      They are. TMGs presence stated to destroy the physical world if they entered it. But at the same time, Alice's reality warping seems like it has more hax than the Magic Gods' phase magic.

    • @Super-7327
      @Super-7327 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@calebjames745
      Neither stronger

  • @pierocolombo2643
    @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад +3

    Blessed Aradia illustrations early in the vid lets go 🛐🛐🛐great video tho i really like this concept for them and how they were explained in the novel.
    Good editing and explanations as well :)

  • @NegateZero
    @NegateZero 4 месяца назад +3

    This makes me want to catch up on the novels 😭

  • @Random69-v7u
    @Random69-v7u 4 месяца назад +4

    Most members got rizz by touma

  • @draereeves5754
    @draereeves5754 4 месяца назад +2

    I really want to see a video on the level 5s vs saints

    • @maramba32
      @maramba32 3 месяца назад +1

      I think the saints would destroy anyone below #3, Dark Matter and Accelerator would have a chance of beating thrm

  • @DualEquinox
    @DualEquinox 4 месяца назад +4

    "This is trying to suggest freewill is paramount".
    So in other words, "Love is the Law, love under will"?
    Alastair I feel would have some interesting insights on this situation, considering that the foundation of their worldview (and the quote above) is that any act of human will must be performed with Love (Higer Consciousness or Free Will) at its foundation, and in accordance to one's True Will (which is distinct from the ordinary wants and desires of the ego. The True Will is essentially one's "calling" or "purpose" in life) or the resultant product will ultimately be chaotic.
    By this philosophy only actions based upon Love, therefore in harmony with Morality and Natural Law, could ever produce Order, either in our personal lives or society as a whole. That draws an eerie amount of parallels to the current plotline in some ways, does it not?

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +1

      Almost everything in the series goes back to Thelema or True Will!

  • @tyriquegriffith6942
    @tyriquegriffith6942 4 месяца назад +1

    Bro always create these s tier videos

  • @imaginerejector1429
    @imaginerejector1429 4 месяца назад +1

    To be fair about the LARPing, GREMLIN were also LARPing, just to a lesser degree. And True GREMLIN had some LARPers as well like Tezcatlipoca (though, that doesn't seem by choice). Secret Chiefs can seemingly do it too since Aiwass seems to be able to take on forms based on different interpretations of him, such as an alien or a form seemingly based on Horus.

  • @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
    @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 4 месяца назад +3

    honestly though, i think transcendents are literally the same concept as espers, but far less controlled and unhinged. :) I love it. the main difference, espers draw from themselves, while they draw from mythologies.

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад

      Thats a good way to put it

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +4

      Both are related to True Will.

    • @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
      @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 4 месяца назад +1

      @@AeonofHorusbasically from subconscious ? Who they really are ? and adapting to the mythological gods and beings that fit their nature ? transcendents

  • @jiraiya.13
    @jiraiya.13 4 месяца назад +1

    Wow, I just knew Alice in Wonderland exists in the Toaru-verse. 👀

  • @ZEDEX252
    @ZEDEX252 4 месяца назад +8

    All i need to know is that aradia is hot

  • @DemiCape
    @DemiCape 4 месяца назад +3

    I am anime only and just ordered the big book with 22 volumes of the entire old testament online, now wish me luck👍

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +1

      Nice! enjoy!

    • @DemiCape
      @DemiCape 4 месяца назад

      @@AeonofHorusStill waiting for the book to arrive, so it may take a couple of days until I actually get it.

    • @DemiCape
      @DemiCape 4 месяца назад +1

      Book just arrived, and holy shit, it is heavy. I was planning to read it while laying down on bed, but no way Am I having the book on top of my stomach while laying on my back to read it like I usual do when reading books in bed.

  • @rinarina1656
    @rinarina1656 4 месяца назад +3

    Long story short
    "New waifus unlocked"✅️

  • @AciethCyra
    @AciethCyra 4 месяца назад +3

    Should i watch this video, or last minute revision for exam tmr

    • @othinus
      @othinus 4 месяца назад +2

      live life on the edge. watch the video, coward! hahaha 💜

    • @AciethCyra
      @AciethCyra 4 месяца назад +1

      Not to half bad i guess lol

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад

      Both

  • @raito07
    @raito07 4 месяца назад +4

    Weirdest? Nah they're the hottest group in Toaru

  • @Kakashiffx
    @Kakashiffx 4 месяца назад +1

    Need more Toaru video 🔥

  • @ryanrodriguez2498
    @ryanrodriguez2498 4 месяца назад +1

    It's confusing to me that we never heard of the Transcendents before and wish to know their role in the Toaru Universe. I mean they could challenge the magic side outside the magic gods, what were they doing throughout NT.
    Outside of Alice, none of them are amazing characters and still need time to connect with them. Plus we're getting Trismegistus entering Acceleator's prison.

    • @calebjames745
      @calebjames745 4 месяца назад +2

      This is a friendly reminder that the "challenge the magic side" statement is solely referring to their base capabilities, and not Risk 4.

  • @mosergianni7202
    @mosergianni7202 4 месяца назад +1

    Random, but who do you think would win an accelerator who became a level 6 or accelerator with his platinum wings ?

    • @calebjames745
      @calebjames745 4 месяца назад +2

      Level 6 Accelerator, obviously?

  • @devilshooter126m8
    @devilshooter126m8 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video

  • @Shadowrider1032
    @Shadowrider1032 4 месяца назад +3

    Touma is still the Goat.

  • @ImminentSuccessful
    @ImminentSuccessful 4 месяца назад +1

    Finally a video about the Transcendnts, thanks Aeon a lot. I've been actually waiting for you to upload a video about them, thanks for explaining, I honestly feel bad about my favorite Transcendent Alice, her backstory is just horrible, meanwhile I can't understand how Trismegistus salvation condition is "common sense" despite his actions. The rest of the Transcendents salvation condition sure I can understand but for Trismegistus its hard to. We also need more information about the Secret Chiefs, hopefully in the future in GT.

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад

      For Tris is kinda adds more mistery to him and how weird his common sense is

  • @kitkro4679
    @kitkro4679 4 месяца назад

    Im sure it has nothing to do with the spicy looks right! Right?

  • @ok-zy8ur
    @ok-zy8ur 4 месяца назад +5

    Hey aeon wasn't it stated in epilog of GT6 that they did survive the initial destruction of all phases and stated to be able to kill othinus(probably just ment alice)but the problem was if they did kill her there will well be now way to recreate the world so they all excepted death when she created the first phase against touma.

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +1

      No, that was Kamachi explaining the difference between the transcendents and the magic gods. The key word Kamachi uses is 'if', as in a hypothetical scenario. Only Touma and Othinus were left in the black world of NT9.

    • @ok-zy8ur
      @ok-zy8ur 4 месяца назад +2

      @@AeonofHorus I see.. so transcendent are weaker than magic God. But wait what about CRC and Alice they don't count in the regular bunch and CRC was hyped way too much and said to be a bigger threat than Magic God's.

    • @AeonofHorus
      @AeonofHorus  4 месяца назад +2

      @@ok-zy8ur TMGs could destroy the physical world with their presence alone prior to getting double nerfed. Go figure.

    • @ok-zy8ur
      @ok-zy8ur 4 месяца назад

      @@AeonofHorus fair enough.

    • @calebjames745
      @calebjames745 4 месяца назад +6

      It's stated they could, if they activated Risk 4 and left human territory.
      But they didn't, and so they died to Gungnir.
      They were just indecisive.
      They're not weaker, they're just different, per Kamachi's own words.

  • @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
    @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 4 месяца назад +2

    wait does it mean Touma is a transcendent too ? maybe he literally larp as Jesus then kinda lol.

    • @alex07629
      @alex07629 4 месяца назад +2

      I thought the same when I first read about the Transcendents salvation conditions and how they gain a persona when they became one.

    • @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
      @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 4 месяца назад

      @@alex07629 ye, basically our trans magician used the same logic it seems but decided to draw from individual living people directly for some reason. maybe he figured that way the pootential for growth wont be halted or something, cuz seems typical transcendents are kinda stuck at what they imagined lol

    • @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
      @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 4 месяца назад

      @@alex07629 also, why espers cant use magic ? I imagine tthat as a flow. magic probably "flows" in the opposite way to "espers" inside their bodies so using magic is like hitting hand breaks at full spead and hitting a wall lol

  • @BakedBanana
    @BakedBanana 4 месяца назад +1

    oh?

  • @DeadCat-nx6zj
    @DeadCat-nx6zj 4 месяца назад +3

    Hamazura better.

  • @ambassadorofbadtaste
    @ambassadorofbadtaste 4 месяца назад

    2 minutes in and I don't understand anything already

  • @irdi2023
    @irdi2023 4 месяца назад +1

    Damn guess I'm really early neet

  • @Mika-m8l
    @Mika-m8l 4 месяца назад +1

    H.T. Trimegistus is the transcendent that makes the least amount of sense to me. Like his Common sense sometimes isn't related to common sense at all.

    • @khangnguyenthaiduy9129
      @khangnguyenthaiduy9129 4 месяца назад +5

      Index questioned his common sense in the story itself. She questioned if Trismegistus' common sense is merely majoritarianism.

    • @Mika-m8l
      @Mika-m8l 4 месяца назад

      @khangnguyenthaiduy9129 I know that. I just think it's funny that he thinks that he is using common sense in certain cases, where he doesn't use it all.

  • @ksaraf23
    @ksaraf23 4 месяца назад

    GREMLIN was more intriguing than these guys were.

    • @calebjames745
      @calebjames745 4 месяца назад +3

      True Gremlin?
      They're literally just cosmic battle junkies though.

    • @bisayafascist5725
      @bisayafascist5725 4 месяца назад

      Too bad they were just throw away bad guys.

    • @kamijounotouma5596
      @kamijounotouma5596 4 месяца назад +3

      True GREMLIN was wanted potential.
      Same with half of the Terrorist GREMLIN. 90% of them was offcreen, and beside Othinus, only Marian and Thor Made a lasting impact on the story.
      The Transcendents meanwhile were all decent characters except for the three recent ones we got.

  • @1pr0fessor1
    @1pr0fessor1 4 месяца назад +1

    can someone explain to me how touma is so op in this seris im genuinely curious i know he can repell all esper powers with his right hand but thats just it its just his right hand surely the level 5 esper has noticed it so whats stopping them from either just chop his legs and left arm off and die of bleeding or just aim for any part that isnt the right hand

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад +1

      Bc Touma himself is smart about his fighting, the anime version nerfed him so bad that it looks like gets lucky but i promise you he is always putting himself in a good position, planning and strategizing mid battle in the light novel.
      Plus if his imagine breaker fails you gotta deal with the dragons but that wouldnt make the story interesting

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад +1

      Oh i forgot to add he got precognition which the anime also skipped

    • @1pr0fessor1
      @1pr0fessor1 4 месяца назад

      @@pierocolombo2643 so what if accel deciced to fly up and fling rocks at him at the speed of light wuts he gonna do then? cause its not like he can dodge it or he can pull a madara and fling big ah space debries

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад

      @@1pr0fessor1 whats the point of that? Touma already fought against people flocking builds at him tbh and yeah Accel can do that no problem but that wont make the story interesting nor give Accel his massive character development after the defeats

    • @calebjames745
      @calebjames745 4 месяца назад +2

      @@1pr0fessor1 He could definitely dodge it, and debatable survive it given the numerous superhuman feats of durability he has in the series.
      Also, Accelerator doesn't fight like that against Touma.
      TLDR: he's just him, and anything you can think of in regards to "why don't they just do this" has likely already been tried against him, to varying levels of success.

  • @missskabls2247
    @missskabls2247 4 месяца назад

    👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • @tenmax3402
    @tenmax3402 4 месяца назад +1

    Here 1st 🤩

  • @spartanq7781
    @spartanq7781 4 месяца назад +3

    Ahem: Alice is hot.😏

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад

      😂Alice upgraded herself in last volume

    • @spartanq7781
      @spartanq7781 4 месяца назад +3

      @@pierocolombo2643 What? I'm talking about the loli Alice. I don't know what you're talking about? I don't actually read the series you know.

    • @pierocolombo2643
      @pierocolombo2643 4 месяца назад

      @@spartanq7781 understandable 😂well she got an onee san form too just in case

    • @spartanq7781
      @spartanq7781 4 месяца назад +1

      @@pierocolombo2643 Meh loli form or not my Alice.

  • @alphanime5973
    @alphanime5973 4 месяца назад

    Where can I read this light novels 🫠🫠

  • @VALE-kq2xu
    @VALE-kq2xu 3 месяца назад

    Great video