Why Nobody Plays the Wicked Gods
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Mystic clown “nothing can stop the mad attack of this powerful creature” - 1500 ATK
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I think in the Yu-Gi-Oh universe of these creatures the power of these creatures make sense in their own individual context. Like a regular average human can be anywhere between 100-1000 ATK. but more rare and powerful monsters like blue eyes, obelisk, ect are rarely seen and less common in the Yu-Gi-Oh universe. Like a small gang may be seen as powerful and unstoppable in their own area. But when you look world wide at more powerful gangs and mafia the small gang that seemed unstoppable now look like a small fish in a pool of sharks
There’s that, and the fact that back when early cards like mystic clown were made they were pretty powerful. What many people don’t know is that while in the tcg we started with la jinn as our highest attack no tribute monster, in the ocg there was a time when hitotsu-me giant was the strongest no tribute monster. This explains why there were so many low stat vanilla monsters with 5 or more stars, and in such a format mystic clown would be pretty powerful when introduced
@@therandominfochannel6619 Skull red bird (as a random example) came out months before mystic clown, with 1550 attack, so mystic clown was never good even as a low level vanilla beater. At least one or two 1600s also came out the same time as it.
Like how the strongest card in the first pack in the ocg was hitotsu-me giant and its card text says that it’s arms are made for delivering punishing blows when it can be run over by a clown zombie
It's an eclipse. Wicked Avatar is an eclipse. The Wicked Gods are counters to the Egyptian Gods.
Ra is the Sun. Avatar is the Sun blacked out.
In the manga, Avatar simply turned into a shadowy version of the "strongest monster on the field" and always had 1 attack more. That's why it's a ball, because it hasn't taken form yet.
What episode and series
@@jdrang2298 it's on the Yu-Gi-Oh! R manga, a spinoff
wait, didn't it open and weapons came out? oh, wrong anime.
I actually like how Avatar works, it's basically unaffected for two turns and with Mound of the bound Creator would protect it from Targeting Monster Effects too and is ridiculously powerful as a Late-game monster.
You called me terrible?
hahHah
No, he called Shapesnatch terrible. You're The One Whose Shape Was Snatched
That's it there is a profile for everything
Someone is about to get the rod
Nice meme
Why the Wicked Avatar looks like a ball is kinda cool. In the manga it is in Yugioh R I think it was called, when he was put onto the field he would mimic the strongest monster on the field. So say you had something like Masterpiece on the field and it was the strongest, the Wicked Avatar would turn into an All black version of Masterpiece. I love the card so much.
Also it reminds me of "Gantz" from the anime with the same name. And since it's the cause of a bloody deathgame it does look fearsome to me.
or the darkness planet thing from fifth element
I guess it's also srot of a counterpart to Ra's sphere form.
It's also to represent Ra's sphere form.
It's because Avatar is the opposite of Ra. Ra is the sun, Avatar is the lack of the sun, an Eclipse.
If im wrong im sorry. But i believe the gimmic in the manga was that the wicked avatar takes the shape of the strongest monster on field. Its default shape is a shpere.
your right and honestly he sounds like a fucking ass when talking about the wicked avatar the wicked gods are some of my fav monsters so im a bit offended that he wouldn't do like any research on them.
I dont normally get triggered by shit but he really got on my nerves tbh.
Sounds like you get triggered by everything if this made you annoyed for whatever reason.
nah he just sounded really ignorant when talking about the wicked avatar he needs to do more research before making thes type of videos.
Dzeef only sounded ignorant in terms of wisked avatar's appearance. Everything else in the video felt legitimate and well researched. The one minnor error doesn't make his whole argument wrong, and he makes a robust argument.
Wicked Avatar has a special place in my heart. I remember getting that in a 2008 Shonen Jump in a Block Bluster as a kid when I used to build forts and watch land before time on VHS.
Man, i see two problems with these cards:
First, their Special Summoning restriction.
Second, if Konami just took a little time to just twic them a little before release, their effects would good to broken:
- Dreadroot: Halve the ATK and DEF of all monsters your opponent controls (would actually be a little playable).
- Eraser: ....... equal to the number of cards on the field x 1000 (would definitely see play in a lot of decks).
- Avatar: .........cannot activate Spell, Traps or Monster effects.......(it would be broken and banned for life)
I think for avatar just make it ( Your opponent cannot use spell or trap cards.) Slight improvement
They could definitely make support cards. Ra had the "cannot be special summoned" effect. And yet it has sphere mode, and other cards, which ignores summoning conditions
D-did you just say Mokey Mokey is terrible?
Roahriinus Blasphemy
He says this because he lost to it like magic cilinder and swird of revealing light
~just joking dzeef
He’s clearly never played Mokey Mokey in attack modey modey.
I actually have a decent Mokey mokey otk deck that is quite fun to troll with. It does require some random tech cards like sancuary in the sky and a few hand traps but so far it's pretty good at locals
Roahriinus Obviously he never saw The Big Belowski.
Are u saying that my moki moki otk deck is not meta?
There's no way its meta! It's so far beyond the minds of competitive players, so good, that it can't be accounted for in competitive play! Yu-Gi-Oh! hasn't ascended as far up as Moki Moki, and must follow suit
Hunter D he’s probably lost to it too much
Nah moki moki is beyond meta he is far beyond meta
Also how dork with ot vibe confused about that
Tear 0
Pretty sure the concept behind wicked avatar's art is that its an amorphous blob of evil that takes the shape of whatever the strongest monster on the field is.
sm5pac3 its like a sphere of dark matter or smth
yea. what i'm saying is had it ever been animated, we would have sen it summoned as a dark sphere, then said sphere would morph into the shape of whatever the strongest monster on the field is.
sm5pac3 dont quote me on that but i think thats how it works in the manga
sm5pac3 yep ur right... I read the manga about this spin off.
It's also an eclipse. As it is meant to counter Ra, who is the Sun God. And Sphere mode represents the Sun. So Avatar is an eclipse.
Mokey-mokey is a god and I'll thank you to never speak such blashpemy again, sir!
FartingSpider12 Mokey-mokey control damn skippy
Mokey-mokey killed a Trishula once.
FartingSpider12 fuck mokey-mokey he robbed me at gun point and took my pot of greed, then kicked me right in the kuribohs
Korey Daniels I'm gonna guess you got beat by mokey-mokey control lmao
True Choas nah I was just bull shitting 😂
"Why nobody plays the wicked gods"
- they bad
the end
Every dzeeff video ever
Xcept the phrase "they bad" is stretched out over 10+ minutes lol
SilentGameplays but i use the wicked avatar🙁
*Is anyone triggered by his mocking of the Wicked Avatar's picture when it is FORMLESS?*
Tru**ty *atc*es wicked avatar is a force to be reckoned with n i am
What if the eraser was kind of backwards to what it is. For each empty card slot your opponent controls he gains atk points, which demands your opponent play extra cards if they cannot immediately deal with him, which increases the potential payoff of his other ability when he gets destroyed.
That will be so good but still not a 3 tributes
At first I thought that'd be more of a "win more" kind of situation, but I can see the idea having the potential to be like a heavy storm and dark hole but as a monster.
Still no protection. One pop and there goes your strategy. If it had decent protection and an easier summon condition that effect would be pretty busted. Mostly because a player has at least 10 slots on a board that can be filled (not including field spell and extra monster slots) which would be pretty hard to fill up if they do want to swing over this thing
Imagine there was a soul crossing card but to summon a wicked god. Unless Konami somehow gives us permission to use the spell we already have to not just summon a divine beast but to be permitted to summon a card with the name of any of the three wicked gods.
These cards were a lot more memorable for those of us who read Yugioh R, which is where these came from. Yugioh R was a canon side story written by Kazuki Takahashi, and the volume releases of the manga came with these as promos.
You forgot the most important one "The Wicked Worm Beast"!
lmao
Runningon Cylinders 😂😂😂😂
Take my upvote you monster.
So.. he's a spirit, but doesn't do anything else.
lolnopound the latter
To explain the artwork:
In many Japanese Stories, Evil is depicted as eclipse, as void, spherical darkness with the potential to become anything.
... Wow, when I started this comment, I thought I could come up with more, but... Well. Okami, Kirby, and several different games also have a similar simple but absolute spherical design for its absolute evil.
3 years late but it probably has something to do with berserk
Next time on why nobody plays
why nobody believes me when I say i'm not a pack openning channel
Thigh -sama :O
Back in my day, Wicked Avatar was the best card when we played at lunch break in high school
Well I've won every game at my locals with Magic Cylinder and Chaos Max.
my egyptian god deck was so good when i took it too a tournament and my opponent just lied about ra having no hidden effects and the judge was so scared of my deck ruining the tournament he played along smh
Same. I used to have a Wicked Gods deck, back when I was in 7th grade, and I only lost twice with it.
Does it really matter how much attack The Wicked Avatar has? By default it can attack over any monster in attack position, so that's neat. I feel it could serve as a decent wall against your opponent getting out their own high attack monster to kill you with, as you literally can't kill it by having higher attack.
The wicked eraser will always have a place in my heart as it was the first card I got that was actually pretty good (or at least, I thought it was pretty good)
It deccent
I'm here to review cards and have my shape snatched; and I've already had my shape snatched.
Shapesnatch has seen competitive play in the Mokey Mokey Beatdown deck.
You would use the scapegoat combo to make Borreload, then tribute the Borreload for shapesnatch. It was an essential play lmao
Rexmon
>Tribute Borrelload for shapesnatch
*B O I*
Don't forget that shapesnatch is MATHEMATICALLY the strongest card in the game. No other card can take advantage of as much generic support as it can.
wicked avatar is supposed to take the form of the higest face up monster on the field. Thats why he's in a sphere mode
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So, when is the boxing match of Rata vs Dzeef going to happen?
I feel like the Norse gods might be next (since the Earthbound immortals actually had competitive relevance), it sucks how the norse deities were nerfed from the anime heck they were even classed as divine attribute, divine beasts but in real life... :/.
What really sucks is the deck actually has great potential but some of the "support" cards are just awful furthermore dividing the norse gods into three sub-archetypes only made things worse (at least they got an archetype tuner that can be used with all three gods now).
Yeah the nordic gods are such a waste of potential. If only they got some better support and didn't have the silly archetypal restrictions you could see some cool decks, the gods themselves are pretty good
tim5fl I've already seen it been subbed to his channel for a while (I live for Ojama lime) but I get your point, it might be redundant... :/.
I'm still salty how konami misused the norse mythology, at least the egyptian god cards will always have the iconic nostalgia in the YGO fandom, the norse god cards are just "there" and kinda forgettable... :/
Nordics need to be rebooted if they're going to receive legacy support. Especially with Solemn Antiquity, Tyr, Jormungardr, Fenrir, and The Nordic Lights being a thing
Andre Stewart lol but they were so fun to stomp people back in the day with xyzs. I learned the deck and the meta so well that there wasn't a move I didn't know how to deal with.... But there were a few exceptions like burn decks and inzecktors before there Nerf and a few sets into xyz they just couldn't compete anymore. But in Odin's names I kicked allot of shit in tournament's for the sake of lols
But a Odin and thor deck I made was a great reaction deck that for a while people didn't know got to deal with. I just miss using Odin's ability then popping dark hole
ShapeSnatch. the one true god. May the One who's Shape was Snatched be merciful on us
How would that be for support? :
1. The Wicked Draught:
Permanent spell:
Whenever an opponents monsters DEF is lower than it's Base DEF, deal the original DEF as damage to your opponent.
Whenever an opponents monsters ATK is lower than it's Base ATK, destroy it.
(-> Each Monster is destroyed and adds a burn to your opponent)
2. The Wicked Gaze:
Equip Spell:
Can only be equipped to "The Wicked Eraser". During Each players End Phase, summon one "Wicked Token" (0 ATK, 0 DEF, 1 Star, cannot be sacrificed, cannot be used for a special summon etc., cannot be destroyed by card effects) on your opponents field and set 1 "Wicked Curse" (Permanent Spellcard, Token-esque (aka not needed in your deck)) in his spell- and trapzone.
(-> You better destroy this fast or your field will be unusable)
3. The Wicked Cultist 1/2/3:
4 Stars, Fiend, Darkness, Effect:
(1900 ATK, 1700 DEF)
You can special summon this card from your hand if you show your hand to your enemy and you have either "Wicked Avatar", "Wicked Eraser" or "Wicked Dreadroot" in your hand. If this card is special summoned, summon up to 2 cards containing the name "Wicked Cultist 1", "Wicked Cultist 2" or "Wicked Cultist 3" from your hand, deck or GY.
Once per Turn: If this card is used as a Tribute for a "Wicked" card, special summon this card from the GY.
(-> Easily summons any Wicked beast, twice, or all 3 over 2 turns if you want.)
Someone Unknown the wicked draught would make riryoku into a instant destruction on anything
Make The Wicked Gaze usable with other The Wicked cards, including your cultists.
I have something better;
continuous spell;
The wicked hand
You can only activate one copy of this card when the wicked eraser is on the field, this card cannot be targeted or destroyed by the cards effects and can only be banished from the field, when the wicked eraser is on the field it's effect also counts to your side to the field, the wicked eraser cannot be removed from field when the effect of this card resolves
once per turn you can make one of opponent monsters lose 2000 def points and if it drops to 0 banish that monster [this effect doesn't target]
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The wicked life
You can only activate one copy of this card when the wicked DRD is on the field, this card cannot be targeted or destroyed by the cards effects and can only be banished from the field, when the wicked DRD is on the field it's effect also counts to your side to the field as reversed, the wicked DRD cannot be removed from field when the effect of this card resolves
Once per turn you can tribute two monsters from your hand and field [you chose] and banish all monsters from the field
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The wicked soul
You can only activate one copy of this card when the wicked AV is on the field, this card cannot be targeted or destroyed by the cards effects and can only be banished from the field, when the wicked AV is on the field it's effect is still working on the field and hand, the wicked AV cannot be removed from field when the effect of this card resolves
once per turn you can pay 1000 lp and summon this card back from the graveyard, then remove from play all cards on the field [it must be normal summoned first]
Alright so what I’ve seen in this video: Dzeff doesn’t do research on these cards outside of their effects. People don’t play them because of the tribute restriction. I’m going to be honest here, I do not consider these individual cards to have bad effects. You need 8000 Attack to beat over Dreadroot if you don’t happen to have a way to remove it (which is very possible because Mound of the Bound Creator is a thing). In today’s meta, the Eraser can become truly beefy. Finally the Wicked Avatar is the most interesting card of the bunch. It has a neat stun effect, which can basically stop your opponent from making their best plays (usually). Magnetic Compass and Mecha Phantom Beasts can turbo these guys out too... basically it’s not that these cards are bad, it’s that other stuff is so good. Now that you’ve brought to my attention that no one plays them, I’m off to make a competent deck on pro.
Commakand1 I like you.
Oh thank you.
come on bro, they're not really that great. not worth building whole decks around them, which is what is required to get them out on the board
PM can put out the field to summon them and have backup, the problem is getting one in your hand.
I mean you can actually get the Wicked Dreadroot in your hand easier than the rest: 4000 attack + 4000 Defense = 8000 total, meaning Card of the Soul searches it first turn.
why everybody plays zone eater
Kinus its too op
I remember these, I used to watch a irl Yu-Gi-Oh duel series by prez komori, who featured these as the boss monsters of 3 players decks. It was a fun series,and was more casual than it was competitive. Even though the wicked avatar isn't the greatest card out there, it is my favorite wicked god.
These type of videos you make are some of my favorite. You show some cool cards and give your point of view on what they do, do more like this. Very entertaining.
Funny...yesterday I saw a Metyphys player use the Wicked Avatar....I don't know why though
Stun? I mean Avatar's effect is very powerful.
Why is there only Peppa pig videos as my watch next
back when qliport first came out, and whenever their boss monsters got banned, i used Avatar as a boss monster for them. The pendulum effect that restricts summons doesn't affect him, qliport love generating field advantage for tributes, and lastly it can stop the opponent from setting their pendulum scales for two turns, or stopped shaddoll decks from fusion or using cards like foolish for a while, which normally was enough time to win the duel
The Aesir would be the next god card set
I can actually see some utility for The Wicked Eraser. It’s a decent form of indirect board control, since it’s effect works off of both spells/traps and monsters. Unless your opponent has something already in their hand or on the field that can take it out, they’ll be discouraged from playing anything so as to not empower the Eraser, effectively giving you control of the board.
Something on the Earthbound Immortals could be cool.
Admittedly I mostly use this series to learn about cards I never got to see through the anime or took the time to understand in the TCG, so since I never watched through 5D's it'd be cool to figure out what the deal with the Earthbound Immortals was.
I remember having decks based on the the sacred beasts and on the wicked gods. Oh how my strategies won me so many duels with both decks. I think that cards like the wicked gods are underrated.
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Thank you for making a video about the wicked,I know I'm making those weird comments, but the wicked dreadroot was the card that motivated me to play from casual yugioh to Competitive. Appreciate it. My favorite non pack Opening Channel
The thing about avatar is in the yugioh r manga, Pegasus died before finishing the art for avatar, and when you do summon it, it mimics the strongest monster on the field
If you read the yugioh r manga, you'd know why avatar's artwork is the way it is.
Only JJ209th remembers Yako Tenma vs Seto Kaiba.
Jackben Imble honestly I wouldn't doubt it
Just guessing, its based if of ra's giant gold ball from the anime before marik got to fully summon the god itself
@@8393Robertrex Ra is the Sun God. Wicked Avatar is like an "eclipse" of the sun.
Honestly I can't remember any of R.
That was the most forgettable manga of the lot.
"Wicked Gods are bad"
There's no joke here. Where's the Wicked God support?
The only support we got is Divine evolution.
Yeah, The Wicked God cards work in my DDD deck surprising. I run Eraser and Avater from time to time, and when they both hit the field, the synergy is actually insane. Also, I think your Wicked Eraser effect is kinda off, but I'll have to go check buddy. Awesome video, and keep up the great work.
If the Earthbound Immortals count that would make a cool video, though I don't think they directly follow the 10* 3 cards to summon requirement like the cards you've covered thus far do. So I think the Aesir/Norse Gods should be the next video, I also am biased as those are the cards that got me into Synchro Summoning in the first place! Great video dzeeff!
the only reason nobody plays them is cause nobody remembers them
TheOfficial7101 If they would be worth playing, they would be remembered. But they are bad.
Shagaru Magala even so they would still be forgotten
@@Max-vk8id Eraser can be useful against decks that require field setup though. Especially ones running off Pendulums. Because setting up the scale adds a flat 2000 to Eraser. Then anything summoned with the scale gives eraser even more attack. Then if you kill it, there goes your set-up. I run it as a gimmick Last Resort if my Plan falls through.
@Dean Jacobs I agree. Reading their effects and I’m impressed. They seem better than the Sacred Beasts and even Slifer and Ra. Idk why there’s so much negativity on the Wicked Gods.
@Dean Jacobs Ah I see your point 😬
Wicked Eraser and Quaking Mirror Force. Wicked after quaking, can be pretty good. Combo with something like Doble Passe (A really good card with Drowning Mirror Force as well) and you have a decent play. Also, I don't see many people talking about Magician of Black Chaos MAX much. He seems pretty good. You get him in the 2019 Gold Sarcophagus tin, or Exodus, Ra, Slifer or Obelisk. I also think there is a chance of Monster Reborn, Neo Kaiser Glider and Nibru but I'm not sure.
Magician of Black Chaos MAX has 1-turn defense from effects if special summoned by paying a tribute. Chaos from summon, brings back spells from graveyard by destroying opponents monsters. I got him and Ra- they're both special arts and are signed.
I loved tsukuyomi so much... versatile little cards like that are always some of my favorites. Nice vid
the wicked gods made a lot more sense in the manga where their purpose is to defeat the egyptian gods and no one has a man eater bug or hane-hane when they need it.
but i do kind of wish they released these original effect ones as promos as well as versions for comp use. small tweaks would go a long way. eg wicked eraser wipes the board on summon, gains stats = all face up monsters at that time but cannot attack for one turn. give dreadroot something special in addition to halving, like piercing damage, block 3 spell/trap zones or coinflip all card effects for negation. and give avatar starting stats=combined tributes and permanently gains atk of monsters it destroys in battle
That's it. I'll try running Dreadroot with the Diabolos structure deck. Ahrima searches him and Duke Shade can recycle. I'll either use the shadow tokens or link fodder.
Snowy Inferno I reccomend Avatar instead, You can essentially lock down your opponent down for two turns. Against Paleo You Win instantly.
Wouldnt the blue sacred beast guy fit into that deck aswell
You need the Shadow tokens to summon Raviel though
Avatar for sure, Paleo, Brandish and honestly almost any conceivable deck would struggle wihtout spells and traps.
Go with Raviel. The look on your opponent's face when Raviel comes out of nowhere has got to be amazing.
"The Hell is that?!"
I love the designs of the wicked gods, erasure looks like some kind of demon out of hellraser, dreadroot is obolisk the edge lord, and the avatar is a ball in the card are, but in the yugioh R manga I would shapshift itself into a shadow copy of whatever monster on board had the highest attack, do you are attacking yourself sort of deal. As cards however they really suck
Really the Wicked Avatar's second effect can be an ensurance and paired with the second for example if you can use pendulem summoning to get 3 monsters on the field then also get a high level monster, like an XYZ or Synchro before summoning, then tribute summon to get Avatar ou instantly get 2 high Atk monsters, and Avatar's attack no matter what will be the highest so you have battle protection and your opponent will have to avoid using low level monsters for atleast 2 turns which you can also use spell cards at the same time. If in that time you destroy their highest level monster they cant set up unless they have a monster that can be summoned from the hand, meaning you get 2 high leveled monster almost instantly for a 2 turn protection.
I think, what I would like to see most out of the future retrains of these boss monsters, is to see them as Anti-tribute Bosses who can't be taken off the field by Kaijus or by Darkest Diabolos' Lair card. But even so, I know there are plenty of decks with a Weakness to certain cards or Anti-meta cards. Still, it would be pretty badass to see how these cards can use their old effects in conjunction with a newer effect(s) added onto them. Like say they gain Benefits from how many ever monsters were tributes for their summon, all the while "they become immune to tribute effects" your opponents try use.
Still, the best Effect out of all three God's is Definitely Avatar's, yet I do wish to see an update to his effect, especially if he can say force your Opponents Borrelsword to attack into it! All the while the Avatar is basically an unkillable creature for 2 to 3 turns. :). Sure, it's an insane card.
I remember when someone tried to beat me with a winged dragon of ra/wicked avatar deck... the fact that I was able to beat them with the dragunity structure deck really should tell you about how pathetic those cards really are.
You will remember these cards if you were an elementary schooler in 2011. I got rekt by avatar a fuck ton of times because i couldnt out it with the clusterfuck of a deck i had back in the day.
Wicked avatar artwork is because of the manga, where it was just a sphere of darkness that took the shape of the strongest monster in the opponent graveyard (or it banished a monster in a graveyard to become a copy of it until end of turn or something along those lines).
I remember that the one issue of a yugioh manga I read was exactly the duel Yugi VS owner of wicked avatar. The guy made him discard Slifer, then copied it with 3 cards in hand. Chapter ended in the usual ygo cliffhanger of "will Yugi manager to face this challenge?" so I have no idea how it ends.
The wicked Christmas ornament actually pretty consistently kicked my ass back in the day as my friend played it in conjunction with the more spam engines like the silverware demons and everyone's favourite zombies as well as he recently started fusing it with the new relinquish card
I'd love to see an Earthbound Immortal video, but that could easily end up being too long as you have to evaluate all of their individual effects and there are seven of them instead of just three. I used to actually have a dumb Fish deck using A Legendary Ocean and Earthbound Immortal Chacu Challhua to kind of stun my opponent. There were weird synchro plays and stuff you could do with everything's level being reduced, but it was obviously a horrendous deck created by a scrubby player haha. I had fun with it though!
Not a pack opening channel.
Christopher Bouska outclassed once again
Christopher Bouska from now on address me as Mello
The Greek Speedartist I'm sorry!!!
Christopher Bouska for what near ?
kinda getting unfunny. just sayin
I could practically see a use in Avatar and Eraser. Eraser is somewhat a good board wiper, and yes of course the summoning is a pain in the ass, but it can pay off in the end when you're using Monarch based Spells/Traps to make sure the opponent doesn't do anything funny. The Avatar can prevent your opponent from doing jackshit anything for 2 turns, which is a plus giving you the upper hand at this time, then by using some spell and trap combination or better yet use "Mausoleum of the Emperor" and "Double Summon" to get a "Vanity's Ruler" or "Vanity's Fiend." It can brick sometimes but it is really fun to play around with.
To be fair the wicked Avatar was always a Fringe option. It didn't ever see that much play but it did see a little. As cards like brain control, e-con and other effects to snag your opponent's creatures was usually used as part of how it was summoned. At most ir did see side deck play due to this fact although it was one of those cards that was used for specific reasons for a little bit of time to fill a hole in the meta.
There were also some text that went in on using Soul exchange and this was one of the cards that was used in them as using your opponents stuff to bring it out was a lot more relevant when you had a lot of tools that could do that.
Build them with the Lair Of Darkness structure decks and they're actually good. Not the best out there but fun none the less with that support.
I'm mildly confused at you bringing up how anti-Spell stun isn't relevant anymore, and then using _Pendulums_ as an example of a Deck that runs fine with minimal Spells.
Mans got a point
Summon Purple Poison Magician, declare attack
Actually, keep in mind that Avatar hasn't been updated to PSCT; its first effect isn't continuous, but a trigger effect that lingers for several turns. So while the Purple Poison play _would_ effectively be a 1-for-4 trade for the cost of a Normal Summon and 100 LP, it doesn't actually bring you any closer to setting up your scales.
Arctangent OOF-
Y'know, the last thing I said was based on the fact that, while ramming into Avatar with something that pops monsters on destruction wouldn't stop the anti-scales effect, it would still be pretty much an instant win due to how many resources were just spent, but then I remembered:
Obedience Schooled is a thing.
This cuts down the actual advantage lost by losing the Avatar immediately afterwards only -2, which ... is still pretty garbage given that it relies on two unsearchable cards, one of which can be stopped by Ash Blossom, but it does leave you in your next turn with four cards instead of just two and also dumps a bunch of monsters into your Graveyard at the same time. While this is a _big_ "maybe," maybe if we get an archetype of low-level Beasts that have Graveyard effects that becomes a meta deck in a meta of Pendulums or backrow, we'll possibly see Avatar as a tech choice in some builds.
Probably not, though. It's possible, at least!
Not sure what it was like 4 years ago, but today if you can summon The Wicked Avatar on turn 1 it's basically an auto win against quite the number of meta decks. Backrow decks like Eldlich or Sky Strikers, any deck that needs to use fusion or ritual spells like Invoked Shadoll, and even a combo deck like Virtual World that needs a spell or trap to be on board gets severly crippled.
Keep in mind that it's effect preventing spell/trap activation remains active even if it leaves the board.
The main problem is that it can't be searched in any reliable way, and that it's hard to get 3 monsters on board to tribute summon while sill having a normal summon left, without locking yourself into some specific archetype.
Konami even went out of their way when making Thunderspeed Summon that can search for a level 10 monster with ? ATK to restrict it to only non-dark monsters.
Doug, the reason why the Wicked Avatar looks the way it does is half to mimic Ra's sphere mode and partly because in the Yu-Gi-Oh! R manga, its effect to be the biggest monster on the field is represented on the field by it becoming a pitch black replica of the biggest monster on the field through the Solid Vision system
I love the Wickeds, Yugioh R was amazing. Sure they arent amazing by most standards but they are iconic to me. I've found ways to make them a fun casual competitive deck. Also you didn't mention anything about the Wicked Avatars shape shift. In the manga it's a ball but takes the shape of the strongest monster. They didn't really have much choice with its art work. On a side not as a fan I'd love to see some update support for these cards!
Divine evolution is the only support for now
The slimes are huge help necro fusion to get out Egyptian god slime u get dreadroot and avatar you have 8k damage in 3 turns boom 💥
Good vid
Pre-master rule 4 I loved playing the wicked avatar on igknights. It was the one deck that could consistently summon him and give him at least over 2k atk although destiny hero plasma was better in every way, summoning both was possible. It was cool
Nice vid one thing that comes to mind for the wicked avatar instant fusion gemknight seraphine normal summon double coston it's effect makes it count for 2 tributes for a dark monster seraphine gives you the second normal to summon the wicked avatar for the nice stun plus that ATK changing effect is continous not on summon so if the opponent trys to ATK over it the continous effect means the wicked avatar beats honest but its not practical and there are way better cards for doing this sort of play
When I was a kid i loved comboing the wicked avatar with the calculator, and getting a 3000 attack point and 3100 attack point monster/
Why can the summon of these cards be negated? Why have the same conditions as the gods if they dont get that protection?
In the manga, the wicked beasts are human made God cards. Which is why they're not as perfect as the Egyptian God cards.
*Pffft
I'm sorry. I can't keep my face straight when I said Egyptian gods are perfect.
The anime sacred beasts rivals to the god cards
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Wicked Avatar has seen application in Igknight decks.
Open 4 Igknights + Avatar = Avatar stun in play from turn 1, aka unremovable Naturia Exterio effect for 2 turns
thats awful, in every master rule
7:21 In the manga when it came to the Wicked Avatar if you looked closely at the orb you could see the silhouette of a monster inside. Unfortunately we never (and probably never will) got to see what Avatar was when emerged from its orb and what its abilities are.
Question about Wicked Avatar: you mention that it'd be a problem if you summoned it with no other monsters on the board because it'd come out at 0 ATK, but as soon as your opponent summoned something to attack over it, wouldn't its effect reset it's attack to that monster's plus 100? It probably still wouldn't make this card good, but my understanding was that since the text doesn't say this effect is applied on summoning, it was more of a continuous effect? I've been away from the game a long time though, so idk if there's rulings on that I've just missed.
Andrew Cartwright It's a continuous effect, basically a living moon mirror shield. Even moon mirror shield can't run over Avatar.
Cool, that was my understanding but the way he talked about summoning it at 0 ATK made me question if I had it wrong haha
Andrew Cartwright Mhm, also just a side note, if there are no monsters on the field then the Wicked Avatar will have 100 atk. Not zero.
SneakyBeaky1 Except “the wicked avatar”
While The Wicked Avatar does exclude itself, it is still ruled to have 100 ATK while on the field.
Let me guess... next one are the nordic beasts?
It did look awesome when Mako played them in the Manga though. The extra deck wasn’t used that much though. Some fusion monsters existed but they were used more often when GX was out.
holy shit, I'm a recent subscriber and a hypercasual, haven't actually played since the 5DS days, and after watching the Sacred Beasts video recently I immediately remembered these guys, fucking used to love The Wicked Eraser. Thank you so much for making this.
Shots fired at Nhymnim and Rank10YGO
How the heck do you spell Nimnim's name
Fun fact, equip wicked avatar to relinquished and you get infinite attack
Does that actually create an infinite loop?
James Brincefield relinquished gains attack to equipped monster
Wicked avatar has 100 more attack than highest attack monster
Infinite loop
Häkkinan I know bro, it’s just funny to think about
@@PandaParade You didn't know that: you're just playing off that you're an idiot and don't know rulings.
@@andreivaldez2929 ok mr. cant take a joke, i know the goddamn rules i just thought it was funny to think about
Interesting note, you can play Leo spacian black panther to have either infinite atk, or Lp with mystic wok. in the infinite lp you can just pass every turn til your opponent decks out, just make sure to banish or put ns black panther in your deck. like with localized tornado. ya I know it is not relivent, but you can win that way can use tokens to summon this guy for the first turn... trap monsters for the next... I know, I know not relivent, but possible
A good while ago, i used to run the avatar in my old fabled deck, because it can screw over any deck that needs s/t's, which a fair few did at the time, and fabled-es can pull out that 3 tribute fairly easily, and also get some pretty big bodies with their synchro monsters
Id say the earthbound immortals count
Mokey Mokey beatdown is great just make mokey mokey king activate mokey mokey smackdown Crash into something with king special all mokey mokey the win
Well, The Wicked Dreadroot seems to me that it was designed to give middling-high attack monsters an opportunity to overcome your opponent's monsters; for instance, if your opponent has a monster that's just slightly higher attack than yours, The Wicked Dreadroot can help you break their board with battle. However, the biggest downside is the 3 tributes; odds are your slightly strong monster is going to be needed to summon it in the first place.
The Wicked Eraser seems to have a purpose in breaking a board. If we remember that back when it was created, we didn't really have Fire Kings or known effects to destroy a card in hand, we can get a bit of a better understanding of how it could be used. It most likely would have been used when you are at a disadvantage, and you would find a way to summon it to break the board, or punish an over-extend. However, if you are behind it would be much harder to summon, considering that being behind typically means your opponent already has a lot of card advantage. Furthermore, since it has no protection on its normal summon, it can be countered, and sent to the graveyard as a result of the summon being negated. Thus, you can't even force your opponent to fall victim to an Elemental Hero Absolute Zero type effect. If it actually survives, there's a lot that can stop it, with minimal damage to your opponent. I can see why the ability to destroy a card that isn't on the field would be an interesting concept to play with, but even then, it's pretty bad.
The Wicked Avatar, I feel like is meant to break a board that isn't exactly big, in how many cards are on it, but to break boards with a single high-attack monster, and stun your opponent at the same time. So I suppose it seems like a way to punish your opponent for putting their eggs in one basket. Even so, the stun effect is potent regardless, so who knows what they were thinking.
Oh boy a comment a year later...
I remember The Wicked Avatar. I remember having fun with it against my friends when we would hang out in the library at school during Lunch break or at our houses over the weekend
If Dzeef does Nordics, is he confirmed as the ultimate Athiest?
I find it funny that he pronounces Uria "Uraya"
The reason for the strange effects is that these cards are supposed to be inversions of the Egyptian gods, though technically based on the anime/manga versions of them. Also they would have been Divine att, Divine Beast monsters, but those types and attributes were not legal yet(These were printed before the legal Egyptian Gods).
The Silver lining to this is unlike the Egyptian gods(Who share types/attributes with no real support), or sacred beasts(who don't share any types or attributes) there is plenty of support for both DARK and Fiend cards. Also here is what the idea behind their effects are:
*Obelisk Tributes 2 monsters to make it'self stronger/destroy the opponent's monsters = Dreadroot weakens everyone but itself.
*Slifer gains atk based on the cards in your hand and blows up a single monster your opponent summons = Eraser gains attack based on the number of cards on the opponent's field and destroys everything when it(Your monster) dies.
*Ra, has multiple effects for gaining Atk, by Tributing Monsters and LP = Avatar only has one which requires keeping monsters alive.(The stun effect was added in after adapting the card from the manga, probably to reflect it's boss-like status)
I used to play wicked avatar in igknights (ik it isn't competitive), but it did function really well as a stun and OTK card.
I can literaly come up with better balanced effects on the spot -_-
New Field spell: dark ritual altar: pay 500 life points to activate this card while this card is on the Field: ritual monsters can't be targetted by card effects.
Divine evolution: this equip card can only be equiped to a level 10 or higher monster, increase the monster's attack and defense by 1000 this card can only be destroyed when the monster it was equiped to is destroyed by battle.
Dreadroot: level 10 divine/fiend/ritual 4000/4000 must be ritual sumonned by banishing monsters your hand or field (you need the dark ritual altar Field spell on the field to activate and resolve this effect), you can once per turn summon up to 2 level 2 fiend/dark 1000/1000 tokens in defense position to your side of the field (this effect can only be used twice per duel) but you can also summon 1 level 4 dark/fiend 2000/2000 to your oponentes side of the field while this token is one the Field the owner of this of this token receives 1000 damage during each of their standby phase, and they cannot special summon from the extra deck, this monster can tribute any monster on your Field receive 1000 Life points
Eraser: level 10 divine/fiend/ritual 0/0 (same summoning condition as dread root) (hard)once per turn you can pay 1000 life points discard this card and banish all cards one then Field. You can special summon this card from your graveyard by banishing your entire hand face down(if you have less than five cards randomly banish the needed amount from your extra deck with effects negated) when this card is summoned you can chose you or your oponent this card gains 500 attack/defense for each of the choseen player's face up banished cards if this card Leaves the Field banish all your oponents card(this card is banished when it Leaves the field)
Avatar: level 10 dark/divine beast/ritual ?/? (Same summoning requirements as the other two) This card gains attack and defense equal to the highest attack/defense monster on the Field while this card is on the Field it Carnot attack but your oponent cant activate traps (can be set but not activated locking one of their spell zones) and the oponent must set spells before activating them, during your end phase deal halve this monster's attack as burn damage, your oponent cannot attack directly while this card is on the field any effect damage is reduced to zero
New Idea for a fusion of all of them: level 0 (no stars) (this card is Always treated as level 12) wicked incarnation dark/fiend/fusion 100/0 must be fusion sumonned using polymeization avatar+dreadroot+eraser and cant be special summoned by other ways. when this card is special summoned banish all cards on your Field and hand while this card is on the Field you cant draw or normal summon, your oponent cannot activate spell/traps/monster effects when this card battles a monster you take no battle damage and cant be destroyed by battle destroy any monster that battles this card after damage calculation this card deals piercing damage if this card deals damage to your oponent you win the duel.
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The wicked dreadroot's effect hurts you more than it does the opponent. With 4000 atk it's practically immune from monster attacks already. However the halving of monster attack could cost you your victory as it reduces your damage output. It could give your opponent the extra turn that they need to get rid of it.
4k doesn't make it immune from monster attacks. It makes it stronger than the vast majority of monsters, sure, but the effect makes it supreme and immune for sure.
And halving the attack points of your monsters doesn't change much when you're on the offensive even if you're aiming for direct attacks, since Dreadroot has 4k.
Also even if it didn't change your monster's attack points, your opponent will likely have a turn left anyway.
The one good thing about dreadroot is that utopia the lighting can’t run over it, I’m trying to look at the positives here.
Well the problem is that in Yugioh R! (the Manga they came from) is that their effects were only made to stop/ directly counter their God Card counterpart's effects. So it only makes sense why they fall under "not useful" because like most cards if they are too specific and situational they aren't going to make it in the meta.
I never knew of these guys until I got The Wicked Avatar(AKA blackhole of F) on a yugioh game.
It was a really good come back card against almost any deck as it can beat over anything no matter what. Once it battles, it wins. Its attack cant be lowered, and it gains attack if the enemy gains attack any time before it dies so they cant trick it into attacking and then increasing its attack during the damage step or something.
I think dreadroot can be powerful, because it "practically" doubles your monsters' attack. What was used to be a 1500 atk weakling now can beat over a 2900 atk monster.
I know this video was ages ago but in master duel I use the wicked avatar in my knights deck can't remember the name but like King's Knight and all that cards and its easy to summon and also you can summon another monster same turn
You should do a vid on the Nordic Gods back in the 5Ds era. They also had a specific way to be summoned too.
putting asides from the opinion of the playability of the wicked god cards,
they're not retrains. featured in yugioh R, lore wise, Pegasus made them to counter the egyptian god cards
and for avatar, the original artwork had an eye in the middle of the orb
Yea pls make video on the earthbound immortals next time btw nice vid
the funny thing with mokey mokey is that I saw what they were going for with its simple strategy, having to use Mokey Beatdown to just bludgeon your opponent into submission since back in the day 3000 was basically the highest base damage you'd easily get, and only a few cards reached that level of power, especially for common cards. Like, Blue-Eyes was good even though a normal monster because its whole shtick was that raw power. Kind of funny today with the power creep where 3000 is basically the minimum a beatstick should have to even be considered for that purpose these days.
but yeah, even back then, that's like, what, minimum 4 card with 3 of those being monster set up for more than a single 3000 atk hit? that's a lot of work when you can just summon a blue eyes with nothing more than a 3 card set up and just have a 3k beater every turn (until it gets vaporized with raigeki break or something)
Could anyone point out to me what part of the text of the secondary effect of avatar indicates that it is not a continuous effect that makes it always the highest beater on the board? Or is he saying that it sucks even with that?
I kind of like the idea behind The Wicked Avatar, I'm pretty sure in the manga when it's effect activates it shifts from the sphere into a shadow clone of the strongest monster on the field with 1 more attack point