Was it IGN or someone that pulled that today? It was on twitter with the Minecraft Movie trailer where they had like zoomer attention deficit videos playing in splitscreen next to it. Reminded me of that lol.
Situations like Genshin's Severing Fate domain are extremely rare to happen. Usually it's one high demand set paired with a low demand set. Very rare that they're both useful.
It's important to note that dismantling drive discs is good for converting their master copies into higher rarity, every 5 blue drive disc rolls you will be guaranteed a purple rarity disc, and every 5 purple drive disc rolls you'll be guaranteed a gold. The conversion rate isn't great (especially since you need to use multiple master copies for a single disc roll) but it still means every drive disc will contribute to getting more S rank stuff
Hoard discs. Disassemble all you don't need. Hoard stuff for discs. Make the discs. I used that Scott Outpost disc farming only to gather resources for crafting the discs while leaving the ones that were promising.
Thank you kindly, very much actually, no one has taken the time to explain this, they always assume that we have played other gachas with the same system, this is a first for me
Jane Doe attention holding walk is crazy work; this was great video overall! A lot of the info here is stuff that I learned by just jumping into disk drive grinding because while there have already been a lot of videos covering the topic they're either not concise, focus too hard on min-max, or assumes you've played a hoyo game before so I feel you covered all the important information very well. One thing I'd add is that when it comes to calibrating disks I found it to be beneficial to use them on disks that could be universal. I've mainly used them to make woodpecker electro crit rate disks that can be beneficial to any dps and shockstar disco impact disks which is universal for stunners.
If you use the attention holding walk again in another video, you should put a teeny tiny video of subway servers in the corner of it, barely large enough to even be seen. I think that would make it even more efficient.
Oh wow I legitimately had no idea about the substat leveling thing on discs. That explains a lot actually, so now I'm gonna have to be more picky about what I put on. Thanks a bunch, and keep up the great work!
@mitchsz OMG, yes! because in GI, you can get a high or low crit roll, so that adds rng on top of the rng of hitting that substat. I farmed artifacs in genshin for MONTHS to get a decently built team (an attribute of my shitty luck, but still)
@voidhelix99 rng on artifacts is a trash mechanic that forces you to grind daily (or spend money), all these systems are trash, but some trash is less stinky than other trash.
Great summary, very helpful! There's only one thing I'd add: There is an intro tutorial for when you unlock Advanced Tuning in Bardic Needle that gives you an extremely precious Tuning Calibrator for free, so either be prepared to use that freebie strategically when you unlock the tutorial, or, I believe you can skip the part where the Tuning Calibrator is consumed and save it for later, though I'm not 100% sure of that. I stupidly followed the tutorial and ended up with a tuned S-rank disc I ultimately couldn't use.
For tuning calibrators I would recommend focusing on slot 5: the last thing you want is an inferno metal disc with ether damage up, and the sheer amount of potential slot 5 stats means you will have less of the ones you actually want. If you're desperate, you can spend them on slot 6 to get impact or energy regen discs to push specific characters over the edge.
That's the conventional wisdom, since the probability of rolling the exact right damage type is 1 in 25 (assuming they are equally weighted), but I'd caution against too much focus on slot 5. I have three Anomaly agents, two are my mains, so getting Anomaly Mastery in Slot 6 is more important to me than attribute damage in 5. If I happen to farm an ATK% main stat in 5 for the set I want, I'd prioritize tuning calibrators for slot 6 and AM. Same goes for a crit build and slot 4.
If you're looking for content ideas for videos related to this topic, I'd suggest one going over how to determine what are some good traits to role for on slots 4,5, and 6. Either general knowledge or even a agent by agent breakdown. I struggle to know what are good traits to roll or select for for agents on 4,5,6. I'm just lost when I am on my own and feel like I am wasting resources. I also struggle to know what makes a god tier disc or what makes a bad discs. For an average level person, I often rely on youtube videos like these or youtube shorts to guide me on what discs to aim for. This video helped me understand the "roll" aspect when upgrading the disc. Huge help. Found the focus window to the left a bit to distracting at time. ;)
I mean, in general it's not that complicated. If your DPS is an Attack type, they want crit stats wherever possible. If your DPS is an Anomaly type, they want Anomaly stats wherever possible. For both kinds of characters, Atk% is a decent substitute, since it will increase damage period. For all characters you want whatever they scale with. Seth scales his shield with Atk% despite being a Defense character, Jane scales most of her stuff with Anomaly Proficiency and already gets a lot of "Anomaly buildup rate", so getting Anomaly Mastery as main stat on slot 6 is awesome, but not a life-and-death situation. In addition, most characters benefit from whatever their type scales with. The Impact stat increases Daze buildup, so having Impact on stun characters isn't doing anything all too wrong (even if a Stun character would scale their Daze buildup with Defense, for example). Usually it's a "reading the characters explains the characters" situation so far in ZZZ. We currently don't really have characters, that are complicated or with hidden things you need to keep in mind. Example: If "animation speed" was a stat in the game, it would be an awesome stat on everyone. But especially characters like Grace or Billy who want to string together variations of basic attacks, basic attacks while moving and special attacks would benefit even more from that even though it might not be mentioned in any description of their abilities.
@@ThorsShadow Once you've learned conventional build thinking, sure, but there are a lot of beginners watching this channel that could use a guide to help with that learning. Also, there are variations on conventional thinking, so it's not like those are the only builds possible. For example, I've seen vids of some pretty impressive clears of end-game content using (1) a PEN Ratio Jane, (2) a Crit Ben, who is a Defense agent not normally built for crit, (3) A Crit Lucy, (4) A Disorder Lucy, (5) a Crit Main DPS Nicole, and others.
You know you laughed when the bangboo sniffed that cake. None of us were looking at the data on the right. All of us were focused hard on that bakery on the left. 😂😂
Hovering around Lv 30 right now, glad to have some of this info ahead of time! I do like the inclusion of the value chart, that sort of overall mathematical analysis is interesting to me from a data perspective, though I'll probably not worry too much about it from a practical standpoint 😅 I really appreciate the more in-depth info on secondary stats and their rolls! I imagine a lot of that info carries over to a degree into Honkai Star Rail too and I haven't seen anyone really talk about those details yet, so that'll be helpful to chew on for both games I think. Solid work, great content!! 🤘
Great video, I joined during tbe qingyi banner and had not a lot of info on these till i just watched this vid. Very informative! I was confused on how to get S ranks didnt realize u can just do the cleanup at a higher level lol
Nice timing on the video. I just got to 40+ the other day so this clarified a lot of lingering questions I had regarding optimizing my time spent on farming sets.
@@AverageLuckGamer Definitely helpful. Turns out im one lv away from the final tuning option in shop so im relieved to know i wont have to worry about my janes 6th disk slot for long. I literally just need a freedom blue S rank Anomaly mastery main stat and shes about done with disks. Ive been farming for over a week now lmao. So im just gonna focus on getting that lv 40 interknot lv for now.
I'll be real, I don't farm here I Literally go for a "Routine Clean Up" to check how good I've gotten at fighting 2 Enemies at once, then sell the Disks at Bardic Needle to get More Disks of the kind I want God I Love This Game!
Great video and good general advice. My only remark is that, if it's anything like Honkai Star Rail, it's best to stop at +9 on leveling to decide whether or not to keep a drive disc. By that point you get all four substats and +12 and +15 are exponentially more expensive to attain compared to +9.
Super usefuly video! I think the drive disks were the last thing I was still clueless in ZZZ. Now I think I have a basic understanding on them too! :D Btw, after lvl 40 the progression really slowes down, and as I saw over lvl 50, it takes over 50k xp for every level? Yikes.
When I farm for freedom blues and happen to get polar metal discs, I don't mind them because they are going to the Miyabi fund and will be useful in the future. I got quite a few really nice polar metal discs with good substats for an ice attacker, if Miyabi is one, that is.
@@AverageLuckGamer Yeah, my bad I commented before watching the entire video. Seems like we're on the same wavelength lol. Anyhow, great advice, especially regarding using music shop when having to farm 1 set out of the two on the routine cleanup.
Another piece of advice is that Attack agents usually either have Crit Rate or Crit Damage every second level on their core passive. So you wanna have your slot 5 be the opposite kind to maintain the appropriate ratio. Ellen should have Crit Damage since she gets Crit Ratio naturally. Zhu Yuan should have Crit Ratio since she gets Crit Damage. Etc.
I'm so glad I got very, very lucky and somehow pulled an M1/R1 Jane and an M2/R5 Seth. I lost my 50/50 on both banners (😭), but got M1 for Rina and Soldier 11's w-engine (I don't have her yet). I only had 130 pulls, so it took everything I had, but Jane has a bright future behind her!
One of the things I did was to get a generalistic set that I still use until today. I straight up used bardic needle to get 4 piece woodpecker so that if I need to swap between DPS I can just transfer the set over. For Disk 5, I just opt in for ATK%. Eventually I started replacing the set to a more specific set like Ether set for Zhuyuan. Got me through the game and pretty well through Shiyu defense as well earlier in the game.
This is really helpful I only wish this came out before last weekend where I actually spent time and upgraded all my chars and spent all my disks at bardic needle 😅
In Bardic Needle you have a chance to have upper tier disk with a guarantee on 10th and you can use it to squeeze more golden disks by using blue and purple tunes and dismanteling the results by lowest conversion rate of 30 to 1, as well you can get lucky with purple tuning giving you the golden disk you want - spend some time and utilize your lower tier tunes if possible
It’s interesting, thus far into the game I’ve got a busted build on my two Stunners and two DPS’s, and the other characters don’t need anything crazy. I can full S clear Shiyu Defense and the game released not too long ago. This game is so much friendlier for players who want to clear endgame than any other HoYo game which is much appreciated.
I'm also at a point where the substats are a determining factor. Rolled a Physical Damage Puffer Electro piece for Piper but it all rolled into Crit Rate. So now that piece goes on Nekomata and instead of a more ideal meta 4pc Fang /2pc Hormone or Woodpecker on her, she is running 4pc Fang / 2pc Puffer with a better overall crit ratio.
If you are just starting out on your disk farming journey, Hunter and Hound is a solid way to build up Anby (even though she leans more towards shockstar), and Monster and Weirdo will round out your Nico (even though she leans more towards Swing Jazz). Given the universality of both Nico and Anby for fresh accounts, farming disks for these two is about as safe and efficient as safe and efficient gets.
This may be outside of the scope of the video, and may be too late considering daily players should've hit IK50 by now, but I have some advice to share regarding account progression since you mentioned the possibility of still being under IK35. I'll try to keep it as short as possible. *Regarding when to farm what: 0-34 character materials (ascension, skills, passives, w-engines) 35-39 drive discs 40-44 character materials again (because you unlocked higher level VR domains) 45-49 drive discs (because you unlock the second guaranteed s-rank disc) 50 and onwards farm however you please *What if I'm done farming materials before hitting the next IK breakpoint for discs? Farm dennies because you WILL need them, or farm plating agents from VR (disc xp) Farming plating agents is generally viable if you already have the discs you want to level up, it gives at least 3 times as much xp per 60 energy compared to farming and dismantling discs. *When to use batteries? If you're rushing to beat content, NOW. If you're not in a rush, save them until you're IK50 because you unlock the highest value of energy spending then. DO NOT spend batteries to farm discs, as they are not guaranteed progress like materials. *Should I prefarm materials for the next ascension breakpoint? That is up to you. If you want to immediately ascend your characters, feel free. But keep in mind that NOT prefarming saves you 2 days worth of energy (on average) because of higher drop rates after the breakpoint. *DO NOT COMBINE W-ENGINES THAT YOU WILL NOT USE OR UNSURE ABOUT. Combined engines do not give w-engines chips equal to their combined level. (A 1-star engine and a 5-star engine both give one chip.) Instead save your additional copies until you are certain you will use the engine (now you can combine) or until you decide to craft an engine from box galaxy (now you can dismantle) This applies to A-rank engines only however. I have yet to check how valuable S-rank engines are in terms of combine vs dismantle, but generally speaking: you probably shouldn't dismantle something as rare as an S-rank engine, and it may be a better idea to save the second copy for another character that might want it compared to combining the copy for a miniscule passive stat increase.
I have an addiction to gambling in the disc mines. worse than genshin or hsr. the gacha seems to be a minor issue compared to the rush of "no, the next run will be the winner, i can FEEL IT." my efforts are often generously rewarded with hp and def main stat discs that are quite literally useless. seeing that zhu yuan slot 5 disc really hit home personally for me. at least im not alone in slot 5 misery. In all seriousness though, i think zzz has the most rewarding artifact system out of the hoyo games. genshin just added the ability to craft a specific piece; but seeing as you can only make one of the items you need to craft a specific artifact per patch, the system is.... lacking (yeah you can get them from other sources but without spending money there is no efficient way to farm them). bardic needle is a MUCH better solution compared to that and strongboxing. Feels crazy to have this desparity in a game with a mere fraction of the number of characters.
To me the hardest part is if you get really lucky in this game and happen to be a player who is f2p and accidentally pull all the exclusive characters and 3 standard banner characters and 2 of their weapons all really early and have some to spare then you just can’t keep up with the resources in this game. I am building one at a time but I can’t seem to build fast enough before getting 2 more characters I have to build. MADDENING!!
Thank fuck you released this vid im lvl 51 and had barely any clue on how i should get disc drives. God we need more energy in this game 300 a day is not enough 😮💨
Good one, And... Despite the fact of hypothetic future Char Scaling on Def/HP, don't be too quick on dismantle your unused A Rank discs. Even the not-so-good-ones wich can be used temporary. Just in case of a 4-2 Compo, and you get a better S Rank of one of the "4" in one slot of the "2". The main stat being sufficent for such temporary discs, but I also try to keep powercreeped Good A Ranks for futur use. Recently dismantled all my unocked A Rank "Impact set" and... It was a mistake. ^^ Pre-selecting disks with the "trash" button feature is a good idea before bash dismantling discs. One I always asked for on Genshin.
Defs gonna stop throwing stamina at the Fire set stage now. Thanks. Wasn't really thinking of stamina efficiency or considering spending Master Copies without picking a slot before this.
If you ask me, I only will use S Rank Master Copies when picking for specific slots. I can get discs in slots 1-3 at any time by farming and I'm not at all worried with those. I find it more efficient to have a guaranteed chance to get a slot I need, despite it's main stat still being random without a tuning calibrator.
Hey Average Luck Gamer, Thank you for the work you're doing. Your videos are really straightforward and covers every subject we may need help for. The distraction you added in this video is a little bit too much. I'm an casual player with a job and a gf. I'm not interested in oversexualising characters. The game already does this and it's a bit of a pain to find that every creator is also following the same path. We're not all horny and fantasize on every ass we see in a game. It's just bad rep and you should promote not-sexualising characters as a content creator. You should know that this kind of things bring the worst in people and women are already fighting everyday for this. It's funny when you do it once or twice in the intro or the outro, Billy's slap is also funny, but making 50% of the screen, Jane walking just to show her ass is really annoying, distracting and doesn't align with the respectful content you are making. I know the average players age is very low. But you also have grown up players who really play for the sake of the game. The gameplay is amazing and i myself don't approve the oversexualisation of Jane by Hoyo. Please do not add another layer. Reddit is already 90% NSFW drawings. And when I asked about content creators that only talk about mecanics and aren't focused on women's shapes, you were recommended. Thank you in advance. And please keep up the good content!
I got stupidity lucky while crafting disc drives at the music shop for Jane's 6 disc slot as I was using the a rank craft in hopes of getting a random s rank and I got one with the Anomaly Mastery which saves me from using a tuning calibrator. Not to mention the 4 other stats was atk, crit rate, anomaly proficiency and pen. I also still have the potential to get 3 more tuning calibrators 1 from the level 11 withering garden challenge 1 from the outpost rank 45 and 1 from the HIA event. I plan on using 2 on Jane's 4 and 5 slot and 1 Qingyi 6 slot and I've finished Ellen's disc drives
I have my 2 decent teams built (Koleda Sokaku Ellen, Anby Nicole Zhu Yuan), all the main stats are right. I'm honestly going to focus on leveling some other characters up to the same "good enough" point (piper lucy and soldier are on the bench and I want to use them more). I like varying things up and playing different teams, so the idea of spending weeks worth of battery for some marginal gains doesn't appeal to me over giving me a whole new character with a distinct playstyle to play with.
This. The game is still young, min max at this point is pointless, just make sure we have the correct main stat and its good to go And unlike HSR where substats really matter, ZZZ still have to rely on your knowledge on enemy patterns, game mechanics and your character's strength/weakness I've seen people with worse gear than mine and yet they perform better than my clear times So theres that, if you have skill issues like me, having any amount of god roll substats wont help
I am way more stricter. Getting burned in HSR early-mid phase of the relic grind loop made me hate Hoyo’s obstructive filler even more. Always dismantle if 2+ flat hp/def/atk, or only 1 desired offensive stat and 3 other defensives or non-desired offensive: (Atk%/Crits_Anomaly/Pen) vs. (Hp%/Def%/Anomaly_Crits) on a crit or anomaly DPS. 2 vs 2 is fine, like a disc with Atk%, Crit, Hp%/Def%, and Pen/Anomaly
First I have to roll the correct *main* stat before even worrying about substats. So many times I've farmed or rolled slot 4, 5, 6 disks with HP or DEF main stats. Instant dismantle. Farming yesterday I got two S-ranks for slot 5 in a single run, both with HP main stat. Made me cry.
@@AverageLuckGamer Another thing I gotta consider is the rng grind vs permanent upgrades, since My one & only main dps, M2 Zhu, still has lv9 Skills besides her Lv.11 Basic. Farming Skill chips just somehow feels so bad in comparison to HSR. I just feel way more dopamine rolling the casino slots of Routine Cleanup. But now I'm pulling myself together to just "get it over with", especially since I didn't have the luck to win my 4th 50/50 in a row (hello M1 Cat). So I just gave all my saved up resources to Lv.60 Seth instead. And my account doesn't need to grind harder for disc subs, I've already amassed a suitable collection for my teams.
I unlocked intermediate tuning yesterday, and this was definitely helpful for learning what exactly it did and how to make the best use of it. It was also good for learning what I should be in the lookout for with drive disks. Still a bit iffy on how to optimally build a character, but maybe I shouldn't worry about min-maxing. Should I bother with intermediate tuning or just wait until I get advanced tuning?
Now I know the lack of efficiency over running some of these Cleanups ( looking at you, Cleanup with Woodpecker) is a concern but I don't mind having some dismantling fodder if it means I can hold off on having to get disc upgrade mats via HIA
I just wish there was a wave to make a custom drive disk with the prefered substats and main stat. Even if its like once a month or season or something. Or at least upgrading a Rank A to a higher rank. I have so many good Rank As but not as good Rank Ss. Super sad
I pulled Jane with some pretty lucky rolls, only 90 total to get everything I wanted: won 50/50 for Jane, M4 Seth, Seth's Wengine. Since that's above average luck, am I still allowed to watch this channel? 😉
Me who is IK Level 52 and haven't even started farming drive discs and only leveling up my charas, skills and W-Engines: Interesting... Nah but forreal great guide!
I basically don't touch routine cleanup because I've been playing since launch and have enough discs to fill a whole set with s-rank discs everytime I get a new character, it's just a waste of the daily energy that I could be using to get certification seals investigator logs and chips.
4 piece swing Jazz and 2 piece Hormone Punk. They're barely leveled up though, right now Seth's just there for the buff, eventually I'll get him better discs.
Damn I hadn't noticed that the bardic needle costs are double when you select a slot... to be honest I haven't used it much, other than for guaranteeing a couple impact shockstar discos
Bardic needle is almost always giving me atleast 1 crit sub stats rather than routine cleanup where i get a crit rate on ENERGY REGENERATION once every run😭😭
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Of course
"The Attention Holding Walk" is very effective. Keep up the good work.
Glad to hear it worked effectively! lol
Was it IGN or someone that pulled that today? It was on twitter with the Minecraft Movie trailer where they had like zoomer attention deficit videos playing in splitscreen next to it.
Reminded me of that lol.
What's this video about again?
I didnt pay attention to what you were saying actually.....very distracting.....i wish this was a joke@AverageLuckGamer
@@AverageLuckGamer lmao im a gay man but it also work for me 😂
Putting Woodpecker Electro in with the most ass set is pure evil on Hoyo's behalf.
what do you mean? whats wrong with chaotic metal?
@@JesusHBasie Woodpecker is paired with Soul Rock, the def discs.
Situations like Genshin's Severing Fate domain are extremely rare to happen. Usually it's one high demand set paired with a low demand set. Very rare that they're both useful.
they should just let us customize the domain.. let us pick between 2 sets of our own per run
@@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn yes but we get 5 tries a day with coffee, if you dont farm anything else
Idk how you do it, but you always release a video about the specific doubt I'm having at any point in time. ily so much
I tend to make video's about what I'm dealing with, with an idea that most players will be going through something similar!
It's important to note that dismantling drive discs is good for converting their master copies into higher rarity, every 5 blue drive disc rolls you will be guaranteed a purple rarity disc, and every 5 purple drive disc rolls you'll be guaranteed a gold. The conversion rate isn't great (especially since you need to use multiple master copies for a single disc roll) but it still means every drive disc will contribute to getting more S rank stuff
Hoard discs. Disassemble all you don't need. Hoard stuff for discs. Make the discs.
I used that Scott Outpost disc farming only to gather resources for crafting the discs while leaving the ones that were promising.
I'm that guy building every character at the same time.
Madman
You and me both
Thank you kindly, very much actually, no one has taken the time to explain this, they always assume that we have played other gachas with the same system, this is a first for me
That part. Wtf is up with that
Jane Doe attention holding walk is crazy work; this was great video overall! A lot of the info here is stuff that I learned by just jumping into disk drive grinding because while there have already been a lot of videos covering the topic they're either not concise, focus too hard on min-max, or assumes you've played a hoyo game before so I feel you covered all the important information very well. One thing I'd add is that when it comes to calibrating disks I found it to be beneficial to use them on disks that could be universal. I've mainly used them to make woodpecker electro crit rate disks that can be beneficial to any dps and shockstar disco impact disks which is universal for stunners.
Thanks for the support and feedback! Yeah I do agree about using your calibrators smartly for discs that would be useful in the future.
If you use the attention holding walk again in another video, you should put a teeny tiny video of subway servers in the corner of it, barely large enough to even be seen. I think that would make it even more efficient.
Perfection
Oh wow I legitimately had no idea about the substat leveling thing on discs. That explains a lot actually, so now I'm gonna have to be more picky about what I put on. Thanks a bunch, and keep up the great work!
Happy to help! o7
1:38 Way to go man. I genuinely had to watch this part twice
Lmao, 2 video feeds = watch twice to make sure you don’t miss anything. Love it.
"This video is not for whales and dolphins, it's for you"
Oh you sweet summer child
lol
As a genshin veteran (who quit at around year 2) , zzz's disk farming is a breath of fresh air. Im never going back
Is it really that better? Because on GI you can run 4 pieces and a off-piece to compensate
It didn’t get any better, by the way
@mitchsz OMG, yes! because in GI, you can get a high or low crit roll, so that adds rng on top of the rng of hitting that substat. I farmed artifacs in genshin for MONTHS to get a decently built team (an attribute of my shitty luck, but still)
Bro rng on drives is trash though. It's cumulative on initial drop, then random stats kill you.
@voidhelix99 rng on artifacts is a trash mechanic that forces you to grind daily (or spend money), all these systems are trash, but some trash is less stinky than other trash.
Great summary, very helpful! There's only one thing I'd add: There is an intro tutorial for when you unlock Advanced Tuning in Bardic Needle that gives you an extremely precious Tuning Calibrator for free, so either be prepared to use that freebie strategically when you unlock the tutorial, or, I believe you can skip the part where the Tuning Calibrator is consumed and save it for later, though I'm not 100% sure of that. I stupidly followed the tutorial and ended up with a tuned S-rank disc I ultimately couldn't use.
Just adding on you can cancel the tutorial and keep the item! I did it on my acc
For tuning calibrators I would recommend focusing on slot 5: the last thing you want is an inferno metal disc with ether damage up, and the sheer amount of potential slot 5 stats means you will have less of the ones you actually want. If you're desperate, you can spend them on slot 6 to get impact or energy regen discs to push specific characters over the edge.
That's the conventional wisdom, since the probability of rolling the exact right damage type is 1 in 25 (assuming they are equally weighted), but I'd caution against too much focus on slot 5. I have three Anomaly agents, two are my mains, so getting Anomaly Mastery in Slot 6 is more important to me than attribute damage in 5. If I happen to farm an ATK% main stat in 5 for the set I want, I'd prioritize tuning calibrators for slot 6 and AM. Same goes for a crit build and slot 4.
If you're looking for content ideas for videos related to this topic, I'd suggest one going over how to determine what are some good traits to role for on slots 4,5, and 6. Either general knowledge or even a agent by agent breakdown. I struggle to know what are good traits to roll or select for for agents on 4,5,6. I'm just lost when I am on my own and feel like I am wasting resources. I also struggle to know what makes a god tier disc or what makes a bad discs. For an average level person, I often rely on youtube videos like these or youtube shorts to guide me on what discs to aim for.
This video helped me understand the "roll" aspect when upgrading the disc. Huge help. Found the focus window to the left a bit to distracting at time. ;)
Thanks for the idea, I’ll add it to the list!
This is a great idea. It would be good to have a survey of build archetypes, like Crit vs. Disorder, to refer to.
I mean, in general it's not that complicated.
If your DPS is an Attack type, they want crit stats wherever possible.
If your DPS is an Anomaly type, they want Anomaly stats wherever possible. For both kinds of characters, Atk% is a decent substitute, since it will increase damage period.
For all characters you want whatever they scale with. Seth scales his shield with Atk% despite being a Defense character, Jane scales most of her stuff with Anomaly Proficiency and already gets a lot of "Anomaly buildup rate", so getting Anomaly Mastery as main stat on slot 6 is awesome, but not a life-and-death situation.
In addition, most characters benefit from whatever their type scales with. The Impact stat increases Daze buildup, so having Impact on stun characters isn't doing anything all too wrong (even if a Stun character would scale their Daze buildup with Defense, for example).
Usually it's a "reading the characters explains the characters" situation so far in ZZZ. We currently don't really have characters, that are complicated or with hidden things you need to keep in mind.
Example: If "animation speed" was a stat in the game, it would be an awesome stat on everyone. But especially characters like Grace or Billy who want to string together variations of basic attacks, basic attacks while moving and special attacks would benefit even more from that even though it might not be mentioned in any description of their abilities.
@@ThorsShadow Once you've learned conventional build thinking, sure, but there are a lot of beginners watching this channel that could use a guide to help with that learning. Also, there are variations on conventional thinking, so it's not like those are the only builds possible. For example, I've seen vids of some pretty impressive clears of end-game content using (1) a PEN Ratio Jane, (2) a Crit Ben, who is a Defense agent not normally built for crit, (3) A Crit Lucy, (4) A Disorder Lucy, (5) a Crit Main DPS Nicole, and others.
Dude hasn't missed yet. This community better appreciate the content, *or else*
Thanks bud! You tell ‘em!
You know you laughed when the bangboo sniffed that cake.
None of us were looking at the data on the right. All of us were focused hard on that bakery on the left. 😂😂
Great vid! Lol, Attention holing walk got me 😂
Did it hold your attention?
@@AverageLuckGamer I did it worked wonders 😂
Hovering around Lv 30 right now, glad to have some of this info ahead of time! I do like the inclusion of the value chart, that sort of overall mathematical analysis is interesting to me from a data perspective, though I'll probably not worry too much about it from a practical standpoint 😅
I really appreciate the more in-depth info on secondary stats and their rolls! I imagine a lot of that info carries over to a degree into Honkai Star Rail too and I haven't seen anyone really talk about those details yet, so that'll be helpful to chew on for both games I think. Solid work, great content!! 🤘
Thanks for the support!
Finally, the one guide I needed. Thanks a million man. Bless ur future pulls.
And yours!
Great video, I joined during tbe qingyi banner and had not a lot of info on these till i just watched this vid. Very informative!
I was confused on how to get S ranks didnt realize u can just do the cleanup at a higher level lol
really nice guide, and I just started this whole process of going to the Discs mines to get some good discs for my characters
Hopefully this is useful!
Ah thank you so much dude, I just hit IK50 and with max level rewards on everything I need to know this information now
Glad I could help! Thanks for the support!
Thankyou for this guide. The timing is immaculate and the detail is just *chef's kiss*
Nice timing on the video. I just got to 40+ the other day so this clarified a lot of lingering questions I had regarding optimizing my time spent on farming sets.
Glad I could help!
I haven’t even started farming drive disks yet, but still watched the video because it was entertaining!
Appreciated! Thanks for the support!
Awesome bro just the guide I was looking for. Was just commenting on some video yesterday how much I hate disk drive farming lol
Hopefully this makes it a little easier.
@@AverageLuckGamer Definitely helpful. Turns out im one lv away from the final tuning option in shop so im relieved to know i wont have to worry about my janes 6th disk slot for long.
I literally just need a freedom blue S rank Anomaly mastery main stat and shes about done with disks. Ive been farming for over a week now lmao. So im just gonna focus on getting that lv 40 interknot lv for now.
I'll be real, I don't farm here
I Literally go for a "Routine Clean Up" to check how good I've gotten at fighting 2 Enemies at once, then sell the Disks at Bardic Needle to get More Disks of the kind I want
God I Love This Game!
I felt like you held my hand the entire time. TY
Too many other creator's dont go in depth and assume every plays gotcha games
Really useful video, I’m level 39 now, tommorow I can reach 40. Been searching for a good guide on how the discs work but this is by far the best
Glad it helped! You're ready, get out there!
Thank you for this video, it gave me a better understanding on efficiency for this game
Just cuz I'm in class doesn't mean i cant watch a goated ALG vid
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Your POV: I’m taking notes
My POV: I’m actually drawing the “attention holding walk”
This COULD NOT have come at a better time, love u
I... like you as a friend!
Great video and good general advice. My only remark is that, if it's anything like Honkai Star Rail, it's best to stop at +9 on leveling to decide whether or not to keep a drive disc. By that point you get all four substats and +12 and +15 are exponentially more expensive to attain compared to +9.
Thank you for the guide!
Ever noticed that Elfys hair is actually a speaker?
That’s actually so cool!
Super usefuly video!
I think the drive disks were the last thing I was still clueless in ZZZ.
Now I think I have a basic understanding on them too! :D
Btw, after lvl 40 the progression really slowes down, and as I saw over lvl 50, it takes over 50k xp for every level? Yikes.
Billy's bussy becoming a meme is iconic
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5:35 Jokes on you, I'm already subscribed
Noice
i wish we could make customized farming options just like the one when we’re farming character mats. that would’ve made disk farming so convinient.
thank god the attention holding walk was there i was almost lost
When I farm for freedom blues and happen to get polar metal discs, I don't mind them because they are going to the Miyabi fund and will be useful in the future. I got quite a few really nice polar metal discs with good substats for an ice attacker, if Miyabi is one, that is.
Yeah I did mention that specifically, that although it’s just Ellen right now, Miyabi in the future might also want those discs.
@@AverageLuckGamer Yeah, my bad I commented before watching the entire video. Seems like we're on the same wavelength lol. Anyhow, great advice, especially regarding using music shop when having to farm 1 set out of the two on the routine cleanup.
drive discs have been super confusing for me, so thanks for this :)
Happy to help! Thanks for the support!
Another piece of advice is that Attack agents usually either have Crit Rate or Crit Damage every second level on their core passive.
So you wanna have your slot 5 be the opposite kind to maintain the appropriate ratio.
Ellen should have Crit Damage since she gets Crit Ratio naturally. Zhu Yuan should have Crit Ratio since she gets Crit Damage. Etc.
Thanks mate !
You're welcome!
I'm so glad I got very, very lucky and somehow pulled an M1/R1 Jane and an M2/R5 Seth. I lost my 50/50 on both banners (😭), but got M1 for Rina and Soldier 11's w-engine (I don't have her yet). I only had 130 pulls, so it took everything I had, but Jane has a bright future behind her!
One of the things I did was to get a generalistic set that I still use until today. I straight up used bardic needle to get 4 piece woodpecker so that if I need to swap between DPS I can just transfer the set over. For Disk 5, I just opt in for ATK%. Eventually I started replacing the set to a more specific set like Ether set for Zhuyuan. Got me through the game and pretty well through Shiyu defense as well earlier in the game.
This is really helpful I only wish this came out before last weekend where I actually spent time and upgraded all my chars and spent all my disks at bardic needle 😅
Very helpful, thanks, my guy
Glad to be of service!
In Bardic Needle you have a chance to have upper tier disk with a guarantee on 10th and you can use it to squeeze more golden disks by using blue and purple tunes and dismanteling the results by lowest conversion rate of 30 to 1, as well you can get lucky with purple tuning giving you the golden disk you want - spend some time and utilize your lower tier tunes if possible
It’s interesting, thus far into the game I’ve got a busted build on my two Stunners and two DPS’s, and the other characters don’t need anything crazy. I can full S clear Shiyu Defense and the game released not too long ago. This game is so much friendlier for players who want to clear endgame than any other HoYo game which is much appreciated.
Saw the legendary safetyboo gif and subbed on reflex
I'm also at a point where the substats are a determining factor. Rolled a Physical Damage Puffer Electro piece for Piper but it all rolled into Crit Rate. So now that piece goes on Nekomata and instead of a more ideal meta 4pc Fang /2pc Hormone or Woodpecker on her, she is running 4pc Fang / 2pc Puffer with a better overall crit ratio.
This has convinced me to make the minimum thought into my disks only and spend my time leveling up other things lol
If you are just starting out on your disk farming journey, Hunter and Hound is a solid way to build up Anby (even though she leans more towards shockstar), and Monster and Weirdo will round out your Nico (even though she leans more towards Swing Jazz). Given the universality of both Nico and Anby for fresh accounts, farming disks for these two is about as safe and efficient as safe and efficient gets.
Thanks for sharing! :D subbed!
This may be outside of the scope of the video, and may be too late considering daily players should've hit IK50 by now, but I have some advice to share regarding account progression since you mentioned the possibility of still being under IK35. I'll try to keep it as short as possible.
*Regarding when to farm what:
0-34 character materials (ascension, skills, passives, w-engines)
35-39 drive discs
40-44 character materials again (because you unlocked higher level VR domains)
45-49 drive discs (because you unlock the second guaranteed s-rank disc)
50 and onwards farm however you please
*What if I'm done farming materials before hitting the next IK breakpoint for discs?
Farm dennies because you WILL need them, or farm plating agents from VR (disc xp)
Farming plating agents is generally viable if you already have the discs you want to level up, it gives at least 3 times as much xp per 60 energy compared to farming and dismantling discs.
*When to use batteries?
If you're rushing to beat content, NOW.
If you're not in a rush, save them until you're IK50 because you unlock the highest value of energy spending then.
DO NOT spend batteries to farm discs, as they are not guaranteed progress like materials.
*Should I prefarm materials for the next ascension breakpoint?
That is up to you. If you want to immediately ascend your characters, feel free. But keep in mind that NOT prefarming saves you 2 days worth of energy (on average) because of higher drop rates after the breakpoint.
*DO NOT COMBINE W-ENGINES THAT YOU WILL NOT USE OR UNSURE ABOUT.
Combined engines do not give w-engines chips equal to their combined level. (A 1-star engine and a 5-star engine both give one chip.)
Instead save your additional copies until you are certain you will use the engine (now you can combine) or until you decide to craft an engine from box galaxy (now you can dismantle)
This applies to A-rank engines only however. I have yet to check how valuable S-rank engines are in terms of combine vs dismantle, but generally speaking: you probably shouldn't dismantle something as rare as an S-rank engine, and it may be a better idea to save the second copy for another character that might want it compared to combining the copy for a miniscule passive stat increase.
This was helpful
Thanks for the support!
I have an addiction to gambling in the disc mines. worse than genshin or hsr. the gacha seems to be a minor issue compared to the rush of "no, the next run will be the winner, i can FEEL IT." my efforts are often generously rewarded with hp and def main stat discs that are quite literally useless. seeing that zhu yuan slot 5 disc really hit home personally for me. at least im not alone in slot 5 misery.
In all seriousness though, i think zzz has the most rewarding artifact system out of the hoyo games. genshin just added the ability to craft a specific piece; but seeing as you can only make one of the items you need to craft a specific artifact per patch, the system is.... lacking (yeah you can get them from other sources but without spending money there is no efficient way to farm them). bardic needle is a MUCH better solution compared to that and strongboxing. Feels crazy to have this desparity in a game with a mere fraction of the number of characters.
09:32 Holy shit man I'm so sorry your disc rolled like that lmao
it is what it is... I'm used to it at this point.
OMG, BRO FIXED THE SLAP FOR REAL THIS TIME!
I wasn't sure lol
To me the hardest part is if you get really lucky in this game and happen to be a player who is f2p and accidentally pull all the exclusive characters and 3 standard banner characters and 2 of their weapons all really early and have some to spare then you just can’t keep up with the resources in this game. I am building one at a time but I can’t seem to build fast enough before getting 2 more characters I have to build. MADDENING!!
Thank fuck you released this vid im lvl 51 and had barely any clue on how i should get disc drives. God we need more energy in this game 300 a day is not enough 😮💨
Glad I could help. Thanks for the support!
The "Attention Holding Walk" is holding me better than anything in this world. Subscribed.
Ok, NOW I have time to watch this.
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How to get better drive discs: Get lucky 😃
YOOO ANOTHER W VIDEO
Thank you brother!
Good one, And...
Despite the fact of hypothetic future Char Scaling on Def/HP, don't be too quick on dismantle your unused A Rank discs. Even the not-so-good-ones wich can be used temporary. Just in case of a 4-2 Compo, and you get a better S Rank of one of the "4" in one slot of the "2".
The main stat being sufficent for such temporary discs, but I also try to keep powercreeped Good A Ranks for futur use.
Recently dismantled all my unocked A Rank "Impact set" and... It was a mistake. ^^
Pre-selecting disks with the "trash" button feature is a good idea before bash dismantling discs. One I always asked for on Genshin.
Defs gonna stop throwing stamina at the Fire set stage now. Thanks. Wasn't really thinking of stamina efficiency or considering spending Master Copies without picking a slot before this.
If you ask me, I only will use S Rank Master Copies when picking for specific slots. I can get discs in slots 1-3 at any time by farming and I'm not at all worried with those. I find it more efficient to have a guaranteed chance to get a slot I need, despite it's main stat still being random without a tuning calibrator.
we dont need that attention holding😭😭🙏
I definitely learned something new 💯💯
the bangboo and billy always get me
It's the combo
Hey Average Luck Gamer,
Thank you for the work you're doing. Your videos are really straightforward and covers every subject we may need help for.
The distraction you added in this video is a little bit too much. I'm an casual player with a job and a gf. I'm not interested in oversexualising characters. The game already does this and it's a bit of a pain to find that every creator is also following the same path. We're not all horny and fantasize on every ass we see in a game. It's just bad rep and you should promote not-sexualising characters as a content creator.
You should know that this kind of things bring the worst in people and women are already fighting everyday for this.
It's funny when you do it once or twice in the intro or the outro, Billy's slap is also funny, but making 50% of the screen, Jane walking just to show her ass is really annoying, distracting and doesn't align with the respectful content you are making.
I know the average players age is very low. But you also have grown up players who really play for the sake of the game. The gameplay is amazing and i myself don't approve the oversexualisation of Jane by Hoyo. Please do not add another layer. Reddit is already 90% NSFW drawings. And when I asked about content creators that only talk about mecanics and aren't focused on women's shapes, you were recommended.
Thank you in advance. And please keep up the good content!
I got stupidity lucky while crafting disc drives at the music shop for Jane's 6 disc slot as I was using the a rank craft in hopes of getting a random s rank and I got one with the Anomaly Mastery which saves me from using a tuning calibrator. Not to mention the 4 other stats was atk, crit rate, anomaly proficiency and pen. I also still have the potential to get 3 more tuning calibrators 1 from the level 11 withering garden challenge 1 from the outpost rank 45 and 1 from the HIA event. I plan on using 2 on Jane's 4 and 5 slot and 1 Qingyi 6 slot and I've finished Ellen's disc drives
I have my 2 decent teams built (Koleda Sokaku Ellen, Anby Nicole Zhu Yuan), all the main stats are right. I'm honestly going to focus on leveling some other characters up to the same "good enough" point (piper lucy and soldier are on the bench and I want to use them more). I like varying things up and playing different teams, so the idea of spending weeks worth of battery for some marginal gains doesn't appeal to me over giving me a whole new character with a distinct playstyle to play with.
This.
The game is still young, min max at this point is pointless, just make sure we have the correct main stat and its good to go
And unlike HSR where substats really matter, ZZZ still have to rely on your knowledge on enemy patterns, game mechanics and your character's strength/weakness
I've seen people with worse gear than mine and yet they perform better than my clear times
So theres that, if you have skill issues like me, having any amount of god roll substats wont help
I am way more stricter. Getting burned in HSR early-mid phase of the relic grind loop made me hate Hoyo’s obstructive filler even more. Always dismantle if 2+ flat hp/def/atk, or only 1 desired offensive stat and 3 other defensives or non-desired offensive: (Atk%/Crits_Anomaly/Pen) vs. (Hp%/Def%/Anomaly_Crits) on a crit or anomaly DPS. 2 vs 2 is fine, like a disc with Atk%, Crit, Hp%/Def%, and Pen/Anomaly
You got this dude.
First I have to roll the correct *main* stat before even worrying about substats. So many times I've farmed or rolled slot 4, 5, 6 disks with HP or DEF main stats. Instant dismantle. Farming yesterday I got two S-ranks for slot 5 in a single run, both with HP main stat. Made me cry.
@@AverageLuckGamer Another thing I gotta consider is the rng grind vs permanent upgrades, since My one & only main dps, M2 Zhu, still has lv9 Skills besides her Lv.11 Basic. Farming Skill chips just somehow feels so bad in comparison to HSR. I just feel way more dopamine rolling the casino slots of Routine Cleanup. But now I'm pulling myself together to just "get it over with", especially since I didn't have the luck to win my 4th 50/50 in a row (hello M1 Cat). So I just gave all my saved up resources to Lv.60 Seth instead.
And my account doesn't need to grind harder for disc subs, I've already amassed a suitable collection for my teams.
I unlocked intermediate tuning yesterday, and this was definitely helpful for learning what exactly it did and how to make the best use of it. It was also good for learning what I should be in the lookout for with drive disks. Still a bit iffy on how to optimally build a character, but maybe I shouldn't worry about min-maxing.
Should I bother with intermediate tuning or just wait until I get advanced tuning?
Now I know the lack of efficiency over running some of these Cleanups ( looking at you, Cleanup with Woodpecker) is a concern but I don't mind having some dismantling fodder if it means I can hold off on having to get disc upgrade mats via HIA
Thanks, Been looking to farm disc better, I got all the Disc I want, I just want better stats.
im still w8ting for new chanell, bad luck gamer
Yeah drive disc rolls have not gone well lol.
I kinda wasted a bunch of my resources on these things already before understanding much about it. I'm hoping I can recover and plan better.
I just wish there was a wave to make a custom drive disk with the prefered substats and main stat. Even if its like once a month or season or something.
Or at least upgrading a Rank A to a higher rank. I have so many good Rank As but not as good Rank Ss. Super sad
Thank you
I pulled Jane with some pretty lucky rolls, only 90 total to get everything I wanted: won 50/50 for Jane, M4 Seth, Seth's Wengine. Since that's above average luck, am I still allowed to watch this channel? 😉
Of course! Don't worry your luck will balance out... That sounds ominious... Sorry.
@@AverageLuckGamer Not at all. RNG is absolutely a karma-driven deity.
Me who is IK Level 52 and haven't even started farming drive discs and only leveling up my charas, skills and W-Engines: Interesting...
Nah but forreal great guide!
almost every ZZZ content creator making an ass or boob joke in every video is so cringe. we get it. great guide tho
Thanks for the support!
The devs are betting it all on big ass-ets to sell the game, it is what it is. Fear the day a massive behind isn't enough to carry the interest
I basically don't touch routine cleanup because I've been playing since launch and have enough discs to fill a whole set with s-rank discs everytime I get a new character, it's just a waste of the daily energy that I could be using to get certification seals investigator logs and chips.
as a f2p i truly hate the grind and the complete randomness of drive discs
i build my disks to be shareable, my ellen, zhu yuan and nekomata share two slot 4 and two slot 6 woodpecker electro
There is one problem in your point and it’s you will need a 3rd team not right away but sometimes your second team won’t be suitable for both stages
Hi there! What drive discs are you running on your seth that you use with jane doe? 😀
4 piece swing Jazz and 2 piece Hormone Punk. They're barely leveled up though, right now Seth's just there for the buff, eventually I'll get him better discs.
Imma be stuck inside of this damn farming stage forever like every other gachas
I scrapped all my discs by accident before this video came out, so I really appreciate the attention holding throughout the video.
Damn I hadn't noticed that the bardic needle costs are double when you select a slot... to be honest I haven't used it much, other than for guaranteeing a couple impact shockstar discos
im tryna pay attention dawg
my bad
that damn rat on the corner 😭😭😭😭
Bardic needle is almost always giving me atleast 1 crit sub stats rather than routine cleanup where i get a crit rate on ENERGY REGENERATION once every run😭😭