FireBIRD Vs Spyderco BYRD...Is The Cheaper Copy Better ??? (Surprisingly YES)
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Let's be honest they probably come out of the same factory.
He pretty much says that around the 9:00 minute mark. ;)
Actually they are not, BYRD was made in NAVY'(that's the brand not the real thing)s factory, the NAVY use to be a bigger name in Chinese knife community. It's known to make spyderco style knife with 440C steel. I guess the spyderco company make them use 8Cr13Mov these days because a better steel will be a much treaten to it's high end products. Also they use to sell the same knife with half the price. So basiclly that's what GANZO does now.
@@jiasunzhang8001 Thanks for that info. Do you know anything about Twosun knives?
@@ManOfTheWoods123 no
@@jiasunzhang8001 Gotcha
Ganzo's give you the most bang for your buck especially if you are on a budget. Nothing wrong with that. I have several stashed in the car and packs and bags around the house.
I love that Ganzo! I bought 5 of them to carry or give away. Lefty friendly.
No Spyderco’s made in China? How about the Tenacious line of knives?
Yeah fr for cutlerylover thats a blundering mistake.
The bug series
ok yes just slipped my mind during the filming of this video, but clearly they pride themselves on the USA branding sort of like Benchmade having their overseas made knives part of their red line, separate from their other knives...
@@noahkladivo3752 yup, confirmation im not a robot, lol
@@cutlerylover I guess I didnt mean it to be an insult my bad
Ganzos are awesome, especially now that they started making their own designs
ganzo's 30 dollar D2 knives are fantastic, fit an finish is great on the ones i have. the 440C ones are ok, plus it's not like SOG didn't copy the delica too.
andrew snyder Wait SOG copied the Delica? I didnt know this 🤔
Nick Maccioli the sogzilla, it doesn’t look exactly like it but i remember it getting called a delica copy a lot back in the day
I disagree, their D2 corrodes if you look at it wrong and is far to soft to chip like it does. I think all of that has to do with a cheap heat-treat though. And for $30 all that is forgivable I suppose.
This made me chuckle because I carry the Firebird almost daily as my EDC folder and have for at least a year or so. Sadly, not sure what China warehouses are currently shipping Ganzo Firebird knives. I've used Gearbest and Banggood alot and neither of them have any Ganzo knives currently.
I have the Ganzo in OD Green. Had it now for a year, sharpens well, stays sharp for a good amount of time. I keep it cleaned, sharpened and oiled....has never disappointed me.
Me too 👍🏻
I really like the Ganzo/Firebird knives. I have at least 20 of them and the newer ones with the D2 tool steel are a great deal at around $30. Nice review--thanks
Just going thru old Ganzos videos, I have this same Ganzo and love it for a work beater!!
Nice video, I haven’t seen that Ganzo model before. I think they have a pretty good heat treat on their 440C. Seems to hold up well.
The 3 Byrd knives that I have all had very sharp boyd cutouts. I had to diamond file them to remove the burrs. I just purchased a Ganzo copy of a Rat II with an axis lock. Great knife for $20.
Great review! I 've been carrying a CC2 for the last 7 years and it is a work horse . I bought a Meadow lark 2 as well as a " gentleman knife" but it is resting in its original package. I'd like to try one of this Firebirds, but in the Endura4/ CC2 size. I believe that with a bit of patience, that oval hole, can be improved . Cheers!!!
Very good, very fair review Jeff, as always!
I have a lot of knives made by Ganzo, Sanrenmu and Brother. I even have a very expensive Justin Gingrich model made by Kizer, with spring-assisted opening, S35VN blade steel and Titanium/G10 handles. A beautiful piece, indeed!
Yes, I do buy them for their outstandingly low prices, but the main reason is the build quality and the fit and finish of them! I just like the designs they come up with!
Maybe certain knife company's should consider lowering their prices, not many people have the money they are charging for their products?
I'm that way now that if it's made in China I will buy it, because I trust it. Never had a bad knife from them yet!
Let's face it-China doesn't make crap, anymore!!
Thanks Jeff, God bless you and yours. 🔪🗡️👍👋🤗💛
This is for Gus. ❤️💙❤️💙❤️💙❤️
I love the delica. I have had soooo many. Probably 12 or so. I used to think the were not for me and traded them away but now i have woken up to reality. The delica is probably in my top 3 spydercos
Not too surprising to me. I have one ganzo, it's a surprisingly well made knife.
I had a caracara byrd that i gave away. Not that it was unusable by any means, but they definitely feel extremely cheaply made. Really bad ugly grinds, and terrible molded frn.
Yes that is interesting... a little bit of fun. Thanks for your observations.
Got a G10 Byrd Cara Cara back in the day, combo endge and chissel grind... weighs half a ton, edges are sharp, so sharp in fact that the lockback cuts into my skin depressive it. Same skin cutting sharpness goes for the opening hole. Just really turned me off the Byrds and never got one since then. Thanks for sharing, Jeff!
*Depressing
A good friend of mine bought a Delica 4 and he couldn't get it sharp. So he was at Bass Pro Shop and had them sharpen it. Bass Pro shop really messed it up and he was fed up with it and sold it to me for $20. It took me awhile to get a usable edged on it. I wound up sending it to Spyderco for service. Now I have several Delica 4.
sad to hear Ive heard of major sporting shops messing up sharpening services I always suggest sending it back to the makers for sharpening if needed but glad to hear your enjoying them now
Ganzo makes some nice knives I have a ganzo fh 11 it’s awesome for $20 and has d2 drop shut action
When I gave my Byrd Meadowlark 2 to my friend I fixed the angle issues on the lockbar and on the opening hole because they were just way too sharp and they made me bleed right out of the box. With the Ganzo/Firebird copy it is just way more comfortable and worth the money especially when you get them from the Chinese distributors!
Get some manlier hands. What the fuck are you using your knives for with such soft, supple fingers? Holy fuck.
xDEMONIZEDx I’m a mechanic so my hands are decently tough lol
In the watch world they call this an "hommage" !
Ikr? It's an attitude thing
It's like saying an Invicta pro Diver is as good as a rolex submariner
Power Cutlery has them in the states.. for about $11.00. And you get them in a few days. That being said, the one I got is stiff and nasty in the action, hard to unlock. Sharp as F, but I have not taken it apart to see if I can loosen things up. Also, an edge or corner of the steel is nearly as sharp as the cutting area of the blade. It needs a ride in the brass tumbler to be de-burred.
Nice, informative video. I always appreciate that you (kind of like myself, I like to think) are a knife/cutlery fan rather than a knife company fanboy (okay, so I am a bit of a fanboy for KaBar and Ontario - both of which make really good, affordable fixed blades in the U.S.A.). I like collecting (although not always carrying) the traditional slipjoint styles. I don't buy them to trade, sell or try to turn a profit later. I just buy them because I like having the old patterns in my small collection. Of course Case and Buck are great but are sometimes (IMO) overpriced - especially Case and especially when I am often buying them 'just to have'. For that reason I really like Rough Rider knives. Now, fit and finish aren't always the best but luckily I live about an hour or so from Smoky Mountain Knife Works so when I buy Rough Rider knives I just go there and hand pick the ones with the best fit and finish - and I freely admit that there is a lot of variance from one example to the next. My point is that the Chinese 'copies' have their place. Oh, and when you said there were no Spyderco knives made in China (I know that has already been covered in the comments) I had to take my Resilience out of my pocket and double check to make sure it really says 'China' on the blade the way I thought it did.
One thing I didn't hear mentioned but noticed visually. It looks like the texturing on the Ganzo all goes in one direction rather than having the grip directed toward the center logo as the Spyderco/byrd FRN texturing does. I don't own one of these Ganzos so can't confirm that, but it looked that way in the video.
Great video. EDC'd the delica today👍
I actually tend to carry a good quality knife, like victorinox, Benchmade, or spyderco along side what used to be a byrd but now it looks like I'm going to switch over to the ganzo. One of my coworkers snapped a blade of mine so I always carry a loaner knife now.
If someone asks me to barow my knife I always ask what they are going to do with it and they say cut something I ask what are you cutting ..... It's a very wize to carry a loaner I wouldn't even loan out a good Gonzo without knowing what they are doing with it .
The Byrd is now 33.99, it's the new normal😁.
People reading this comment another 2 years from right now, will be saying they now cost $44.00 😁.
Oooo great reset !💪
(I suggest buying a reverse osmosis water purifier and stop buying plastic bottles. Better water and non polluting.) Ganzo makes some pretty good knives (I have 2), but I do not like the copy versions of their knives. They do seem to have developed some more original designs.
Have that Ganzo, too, what an awesome knife, great price, very good quality, what is not to love.
Excellent comparison. New subscriber 👍🏻Ganzo for the win! I cut 11 large cardboard boxes it took awhile because it’s 100 outside lol and Firebird Ganzo ate the cardboard up and after I stropped it and it’s back to super sharp!
i've been edc'ing the ganzo as a beater knife and it's so awesome i got every color they make. i only bring my delica out if i'm wearing nicer pants.
Way off topic; but I was in Walmart the other day & found a 499 Survival Knife made by the Ontario Knife Company. It was only $9 in the clearness section but retails for $70+. I like it so far, it’s just I’m not familiar on how to sharpen it when need be. It came with a small stone block I think? I’m not sure what the block is exactly
Thanks for info 👍
Ganzo does a great job with there steels and heat treats
So the Firebird is a Chinese knife copying an American company’s Chinese copy of their Japanese made knife who’s mother company has knives made in Italy, America, China, Taiwan and Japan 🤔
Yahtzee, Nick. You got it....
Twice removed....
lonetrader1 Lol I love that comment
I don’t have an issue with “copies” I have a major issue with counterfeits as in selling it saying that it’s a real ZT, Spyderco, or any other high end company
Good job Jeff...The only thing I would add is the warranty issue...I think Byrd/Spyderco would have the advantage over Ganzo.
For $13 ?🤣
Yeah...I'll take the ganzo for that price easily
Have a ganzo 940 knockoff - axis lock is pretty smooth - don't really carry just wanted to see what the hype was - but as far as China made - def stand behind civivi (budget WE) got 3 and are in weekly rotation w my benchmades n spydercos
I like the 8cr13mov over the 440 if sharpened right most of my knives are 8cr13mov kershaws and I have one spiderco resilience I jest got not that long ago and still feel the same.
I have around 30 or so Ganzo knives. I think they're great overall.
that's a lot!
I have 6
I think you are correct.
I'm new to knives. I have a Spyderco endura m390. But i can't afford anymore, so i am buying the knife you are talking about from Ganzo just so my endura isn't lonely.
I have other Ganzo that are their own thing, and i learned to appreciate the craftsmanship of ganzo knives.
I bought an eafengrow thinking it was the same quality as ganzo.
No, they are not.
But when cleaning both knives and adjusting them to the way i like them.
I noticed, that both blades had a yellow/brown over heat mark at the same area of the pivot hole.
So i came to the same conclusion.
Whether it is an American company (byrd) or a Chinese company, they all, at times, use the same manufacturers.
We Americans do the same thing in cars.
It's at the final place of hands on where quality control takes over. Imho
I also believe that the American knife collectors are more irate about Chinese made knives than the American companies are.
As you can see, Spyderco is taking advantage of the Chinese manufacturing by introducing byrd. 😆😆😆
✌🏼🦁
Well put that man. Liked and subscribed. John
Ganzo is located behind civivi next to cjrb on top of kizer 😅😮😊
A few thoughts - I actually like the lockbar design on the firebird a bit better, I wish more manufacturers would adopt something similar as opposed to the rounded dent.
I've handled/used a few different firebirds. Additionally I have a few friends that EDC firebird designs and some friends/acquaintances who work in the cutlery industry. This is rumor and some speculation (backed up by side by side comparisons of supposedly identical knives), but it seems there may be companies making knock-offs of firebirds. It's not readily apparent and I don't see much discussion about it. Again I must qualify that this is based on my personal observations and second hand rumors from friends in the business. I have two theories about what may be going on. Either there are significant issues with quality control at ganzo OR some company is copying their products (including the packaging). It's small issues like fit and finish, quality of machining & threads, color differences in handle material, etc.
My first Spyderco is a Byrd Cara Cara 2
Spyderco runs about 40. I got the Firebird while it was on sale for $10 bucks. currently my edc.
I am not surprised. When you buy something made/designed in the US, you will be charged with a premium price for the brand name alone. If firebird is affording to sell their knives at half of the price, then you probably can tell that spyderco is making more than half of the money for the price you pay for their knives. So the question is not whether you support your own country's manufacturing and being patriotic and all, but whether if you want to get ripped off by your own country men. Living standard is much higher in US than China, so spyderco can't probably survive if they make less than 50% of the profit, whereas in China, they are more than happy to make less than 5% of the profit. so what do I think? Loyalty to a country or a company is just dumb. We as customers should only be loyal to the quality of a good. On the other hand, I will never support someone whom steals other people's idea and make a profit or name out of it. It's immoral and it's not even political because it's just wrong.
You've got one up on most knife snobs. They refuse to even check a Ganzo. In most cases Ganzo is superior, either in quality, price, or sometimes both. Now I don't like all Ganzo knives, but I like many of them. My EDCis a GF743M1-CF and it's one super knife. My only gripe is that I believe they produce unbranded clones as well as copies under their own name. It's just a suspicion, but I suspect very strongly.
Power Cutlery has the Ganzos right now, Jan. 8, 2021, for $11.80.
Spyderco is now making spyderco knives in China. The clip tools are Chinese made. Also I have the ganzo firebird and paid 15 British pounds for it. Its really actually very good.
Ganzo is now Firebird, afaik. They've been transitioning their branding for about a year and a half. I really love Ganzo/Firebird blades of all sorts!
Edit: A copy isn't a clone, and I even find Ganzo's alleged "clones" to have enough differences in design and material, especially if we factor out the silhouettes of the knives, to be "inspired by" moreso than "directly cloned." They usually change grind patterns, have differently designed liners, blade finishes, altered lock mechanisms, and so on. A clone, to me, is a 1 for 1 exact copy of an item. Buying a clone is not a moral judgement call, and it is a privilege to be able to decline a great deal and/or great quality on principle.
Funnily enough, I've been thinking of buying both of these for a comparison XD. Guess I just need em for EDC now. Great video Jeff!
i have em all... delica, byrd and the ganzo. i think the byrd makes the last place.
In many cases the overseas made big name brand knives are made by these companies that are making the copies. It's part of doing business in China. These knock off knives are essentially made to be sold in China, however over the last few years they have gained huge popularly and do are now being marketed and sold to the Western market.
I know I got mine for like 10 or 9$ each either from gearbest or power cutlery so ya
Who also watched this after they just got the real thing, the Spyderco Delica 4, with a deep carry clip for almost $100? I expect the Delica to last waay longer than any of those. You get what you pay for?
I have a copy of the spyderco sleeze Bowie and I swear it is made better with better action. Can’t believe it. Would love to send it to you to check it out. You will be surprised.
Spyderco has there main blades made in China also just not Byrd brand. I agree the same plant can make several different brands to many knives out there that are the same. I agree a lot of parts are made in the same place. Those clips and scales and blade are probably made in the same factory
it's what people can afford and feel coffterble buying, there have been many time's I bought China but I do try to support the little company's USA , some time's I see two label's on a product I guessing it was made in two diffrent countries?
Sal has said that Ganzo makes knives for Spyderco.
He didnt say Ganzo, he said Sanrenmu
I gotta share in my Facebook group. Good one. Edc gear & pocket knife. I would love to have you join us.
Hey I'm in that group! BDO is a fellow admin in another group
my Spyderco Tenacious Black (light version) and Resilience, black, light are 8cr13mov and made in china. resilience costed $100 , prices are
double here in Europe.
The 2 Ganzo knives I have in 440c the Spyderco Bird 8cr13 has a better heat treat and holds an edge longer. The Ganzo fit and finish is better than the Spyderco Bird. I have enough knives now where I won’t buy anymore Ganzo’s. 2 is enough.
I've been given Ganzos and I can definitely say that they are well made, especially for the price. I won't buy one because I don't like supporting counterfeits, but I wouldnt be surprised if Ganzo was actually using the same factory as Byrd.
Ganzo knives are copies, not counterfeits.
I bought many of them to hand out as gifts to people that never cary knives now they do always have a knife on them. They tell me that they use them all the time to open packages.
Wow really amazing video about knife is copy!!!
Ganzo is definitely a better choice, I personally bought 3 pieces for $ 45. If I destroy a knife or lose it I will not regret it. I definitely prefer 440C over 8cr13mov. Not that I have anything against 8cr13mov but if I can get better steel for less money why not.
I love honest titles
It just seems to me that all the American knife companys just don't care about quality, They only care about the money. American quality control seems to me like it's going down the toilet in my opinion. I happen to like Ganzo knifes. I do have a really stupid question as I'm clearly not a knife scientist lol? Is there a difference between cpm154 and 154cm? I hope that not the stupid question of the week lol
I'm not Jeff, but my understanding is that 154CM is billet steel from Crucible Metals, but CPM154 is particle steel. CPM154 has higher corrosion resistance, holds a bit better of an edge for a bit longer, etc, due to the particle steel formation. They're chemically identical, I believe.
@@DurdleKing you got er right
I was talking to a fellow nife boi, who happens to be from China (and works in a sushi place, go figure) and he says "knock offs" are not viewed the same there as they are here. It, truely, has to do with a history rooted in Confucianism, something about doing things right is more important than doing something new. He said that same mind set, or paradigm, is what kept his country, which far ahead of Europe by the dark ages, to being far behind by the age of imperialism.
It all came down to, as I understood it, being good at piloting a wheel was more important than reinventing it. So they don't see it as knock off as much as just doing the best thing well.
If I'm misinterpreting this incorrectly, take it up with him, I'll even give you his name and address (not really), but he's kinda a bad-ass with a bad-ass past, like one of those people who you say "how can you still be happy? How can you still be here?" That's beside the point....
Who cares what he says? Your friend fed you a line of bullshit. IP theft is IP theft. Should it be illegal? I think not. But call a spade a spade. If it was just about doing something "right", then they'd pick the most simple design and use that on end. They wouldn't literally reproduce every popular design. Likewise, if what your friend said was true, then why use pot-metal and lie about blade steel?
Just skimmed through the video, so you may have mentioned this, but it's possible that Ganzo makes the Byrd knives for Spyderco.
Ganzo definitely doesn't make them, as I can almost guarentee ganzo doesn't have it's own factory. But it's very possible that they're both made in the same factory that makes many Chinese knives.
Stuff like this isn't like when spyderco has a usa factory that they own and run, companies take designs to established factories and have then produce the product for them.
@@Dale_Higgins I've seen discussions on whether they have their own factory. Some of the statements on their website suggest they do. We can only speculate.
I think ganzo has their own factory
I just want to know why Wish is selling the firebird knives for $40. Absolutely insane.
I use to be heavy into high end knifes and I actually used them.... what got me away from them is that dull just as fast as a budget priced knife so I no longer buy them.. not that I wouldn't buy one but multiple ones $2000-$3000 worth which isn't much these days there's guys in Facebook knife groups south enough knifes that they could sell them all and have enough to buy House cash money lol
Ganzo stealing Spyderco design is like saying Samsung stole the shape of the cellphone from Apple
I’ve edc’d a Ganzo 729 for seven years. Looks like a PM2 but has the Benchmade lockup. Paid $14 for it. Great knife, easy to sharpen and doesn’t tear up my jeans pocket.
thanks for this i will get that knife.
It's weird to me that only with knives do people get up in arms over copies. All those AR15 and 1911s people own are made by the original manufacturer, right? I guess traditional knives should just cease being made as well. Oh no copies are ok then because this or that reason. Someone is either against legal copies of any product or they're not, drawing the line at modern knives because it's their hobby is hypocritical. Why is this a big deal to me? I don't like being looked down on for doing something everybody else does, most people buy generics (inexpensive copies under their own brand) of most products all the time. Go look in a Walmart or Target if you need proof.
Have em, def not a flipper..just a good two hand work knife...Eric G eluded that the Byrd knives are made in the Sanrenmu factory..hmm
Would you recommend this over an actual delica 4?
for a budget sure but the VG10 is great its up to you to justify the extra cost...
I have both of these knives (and the delica) and although the fit and finish of both knives is close, the steal of the spyderco byrd is a lot better than the ganzo/firebird. The firebird i have almost insta dulls...
whats is "better" of what seems to stay sharper longer can vary quite a bit on usage and experience, here is an interesting fact however...with 440 series stainless not only does the heat treat matter very much but there is also a range for elements within the series (carbon can be from .95-1.2%, Chromium 16-18%) so not all 440's are equals...the 8cr13mov is more consistent in comparison, with these 2 specific knives tested on the same mediums the byrd felt to dull out a bit faster than the firebird
@cutlerylover Hi jeff so cool to actually talk to you :-) I think that it is the heat treat that is bad on mine ore that the steel isn't 440c at all. As i said it gets dull extremely fast. The upside is that it gets hair shaving sharp just as fast... i used to sharpen it a lot on the bottom of my coffee mug.
@@akcprivat I can confirm this experience via their D2 models; their D2 is either garbage or amazing. It has to come down to inconsistencies in heat treatment. I've had several models in the 440c that blew me away, though.
Has anyone confirmed that Ganzo actually uses 440C? Like they aren't just printing the label on? Is it a Chinese version of 440C? I have a Ganzo and honestly can't tell the difference, but then I don't use my knives all that hard. I was just curious if anyone did more testing.
Yes check the luvthemknives channel
Ordered...
For what it is, I'd trust that marking of 8cr13mov on the Spydie Byrd sister company much MUCH more than that marking of 440c on the Firebird/Ganzo. I'd pay that $5 extra for materials and quality I trust more, than a brand that I've bought from multiple times and had constant issues with their quality and materials. 5 of 7 knives I bought from Firebird/Ganzo had vertical play; all of their 440c models went dull faster than any 8cr13mov knives that I've owned.
I havent bought a Firebird/Ganzo in a long time, maybe their overall quality went up, but I'm not risking any more of my money on their brand, unless I have the urge to get a $20 auto, on some site that takes more than a week to ship and 2+ weeks to deliver. On top of that, like hell am I gonna trust some shady site with my debit/credit card. I'd trust amazon, bhq, & knifecenter way more with my card than some random ol' site on the internet.
Happy labor day y'all, waiting for my package of 2 from BHQ.
Minus for ganzo - i cannot unscrew the bolts
Minus for you then.....
The Benchmade thing was a fiasco. Times they are a changing. I’m sure there are many here that will not agree, but sometimes things get taken to a crazy level.
I've seem lots of China spyderco knives (actual ones not clones)... Not sure what he's on about.
And the little Ganzo F759 is TEN bucks...at your favorite Chinese website
Great review and presentation. Ganzo does a great job and politics would never keep me from buying a knife made in China. I own 49 Spyderco knives and 9 Ganzos. The only complaint I have had with Ganzo knives is sometimes the screws strip easily. Of course I have had that happen with Spydercos also.
10:46 Haha you mean like a Manix 2?
just a tip 440a is worst than 440c
China definitely steals designs. The thinking is why try to come up with a new design when there is a great one already made? I don’t like it, but, I understand it. For $16 how can you go wrong? Great honest review. I love my Delica, but, the price hard to pass.
Ganzo/Firebird knives really are hard to beat for the money. I used to think I was highly allergic to Chinese knives but then I realized I was being dumb......seeing as how all my electronics are Chinese, two of my favorite weapons (Norinco 1911A1 and SKS) are Chinese....so what the hell. Ganzo, Twosun, Eafengrow, Ruike, Bestech......all Chinese, all awesome, and all great values. BTW- not to be a dick, but it's "Boye" dent, not "Boyd" dent.....and I don't know how David Boye pronounces his name but people I've known with that same name pronounce it like "Bowie."
Hi Mr. Cutlery, any chance you would know where I could get one of these Gonzo Firebird knives with a partially serrated blade perhaps in orange or any color for that matter. I'm going for orange this time... maybe I won't loose it. Saw one in black on the GearBest site but do to the terrible reviews that the company have, I'm shying away from them. Thanks if you can help with this tall order. Back when I lived in Jersey we would vacation in the poconos, I miss that neck of the woods. Keep up the good work, watching your vids are a nice time out of a busy day, the content is great.
I've never cared for the Boye dent. Not in the least. It does nothing but spoil the line of the spine. Ganzo would have been much better served to have not approximated that feature.
Actually, I think 8Cr and 440C are pretty much on one level.
I have no issues with budget knives being made over in China. Companies like Ruike, Real Steel and Civivi have shown that some Chinese brands can produce excellent quality at great prices.
I have a problem with companies like Ganzo that produce counterfeits and blatant copies of designs. Doesn't matter to me if its made in China, Antarctica or America. If someone is blatantly stealing a design, im not ok with that company. Other than that, i like USA made blades, but i don't limit myself for no reason.
I think Sanrenmu makes byrd knives.
O have a delica and a meadowlark,i take a meadowlark for ALL
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They make a whole line in China starting with tenuous
The Resilience is the biggest
We love using the word “cheap” when it comes to quality but less expensive knives
cheap to me is always a reference to price, I use much more derogatory words and terms for cheap quality items lol...
Most importantly you can put zip ties on them and wave them out of your pocket