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The US (ironically) did a similar thing to the Soviets in the development of the F-15. They built it to counter the Mig-25, thinking it was an enormous multirole fighter. Only to find out (when it was in service) it was a high-speed interceptor.
It's a pos interceptor that didn't make a single interception, but it did fly into NATO territory, and landed safely to be well studied only to find out it's just junk
NATO names for Soviet/Russian fighters are not normally adopted by the Russians. Indeed, some are decidedly unflattering. However, I have read that Russian pilots actually liked the names of Fulcrum and Flanker given to the MiG-29 and Su-27 respectively and used them as informal nicknames.
"Fulcrum" is a cool name. Never gonna top the name "Raptor" but hey we do choose these things. What's the dumbest official name of a US fighter? I vote "Aardvark". Wtf General Dynamics. Then they named one of the greatest planes ever "Fighting Falcon"?! GD sucks at names. One word: Viper
@@AndyBonesSynthPro Aardvark wasn't an official-official name. The F-111 was originally mocked by reformers because they thought it looked like a pig and they were allergic to modern technnology (I think they even came up with the name Aardvark?) and the air force just kinda ran with it because they thought it was hilarious. Something like that, can't remember the exact details. "Fighting" Falcon was indeed oof though xD Eitherway, they also gave us the EF-111 RAVEN.
@pablom-f8762 Well said! My country operates both Western/US and Russian fighters, our air marshal said that Russian fighters are overall great, but with one severe disadvantage compared to their Western counterparts, that is poor metallurgy (compared to Western ones), which manifested in significantly worse engine lifespan. Su-35 with its engines built by Western company (e.g. Russian AL-41 built by P&W), and Western avionics would sure be the perfect form of 4th gen fighter.
@@bigmungus4864 the thing's as long and wide as a typical single family home built in the 70s. It's not that it doesn't have the ability to move... It's just the numbers and dimensions are crazyyyyy
To be fair, the F-15 has never actually fought any peer level foe, with most of its kills coming from BVR combat against technologically inferior enemy aircraft with a high friendly numerical advantage in areas with low numbers of SAMs or sites that had already been suppressed. The Su-27 has mostly fought technologically superior foes in a SAM infested battlefield with far more advanced systems than when the F-15 got the majority of its victories. The majority of which, came from Israel, not the US.
Ooh the su27 doesn't measure up to the boutique 5th gen fighters of.the boutique militaries of the European powers and the legacy systems of the us airpower... they love to compare it to the f22 and f35 u are comparing apples and oranges, we have a handful of these aircraft and their performance against peer competitors is theoretical,😊
Look, I don't know much about planes, but it sounds impressive that they were able to build folding and reverse-swept wing variants on what looks like a broadly similar airframes. And one with thrust vectoring too.
@11:24 The "auto cannon" shown at 11:24 is a M230 30mm chain gun which is in this picture mounted on an US-American Boeing AH-64 Apache - also shown the fins of AGM-114 Hellfire missiles to the right of the M230 and to the left oft the gun is a M261 19-tube rocket launcher with Hydra 70 rockets. @11:26 is showing the 30mm ammunition supply for the M230 30mm chain gun located in the left "cheek" of an AH-64 Apache. Both has nothing directly to do with an SU-27.
Well, to be fair, a big part as to why the F-15 program was even created, was that the USA didn´t have a clue what the Mig-25 was even capable of and were really afraid of it
@@lukebrainman There were Concerns about the Mig-25 due to the lies the Russians were spewing about it. And then it came out of the Hangar and everyone laughed. Then they repeated the Mig-25 lies with the SU-57....... And the F-22 was born.... They lie, we build something for those lies... And then the truth comes out and everyone points and laughs. And now no one takes Russia Seriously anymore. Looks at a certain "Special Military Operation" that has made sure they look as dumb as the world actually knows they are.
@@lukebrainman Yep, we thought it was super agile, super fast fighter.... turned out it was a not-very-agile interceptor that could not run at full speed for very long or its engine exploded...
It's a misconception that the J-11 was a copy. It wasn't. China got a license from Russia to build their own aircraft. The dispute with Russia was because China started modernising it themselves with their own avionics, radar, etc. Iran just got a licence to built the SU-30 and SU-35 it isn't a copy.
Well looking at ww2 and the wide use of Russian military equipment clearly a lot did do what it was made to do. Otherwise the ussr and modern Russia wouldn’t have existed.
@@sovietbanana4589tbh ww2 Russian tanks and planes since and before WW2 were deadly as fuck to fly or operate. Still are "I can do a cobra!" And you can crash and burn doing that move very easily. My tank has auto loader! *Ends up in space as chunks*
@ that’s just all military equipment. Like the f-15 has had hundreds of crashes in its service life. Saying Russian equipment is somehow inherently more prone to accidents or more dangerous is like a wives tale.
@sovietbanana4589 yes, but the f15 has so many less REPORTED deaths. Russia, that's some high self kill numbers. Russian planes in general have huge kill numbers, on their own
@ no? You’ve literally provided no sourcing other than “trust me they’re more deadly”. You’re schitzo rambling about Russian shit being more deadly when the aircraft clearly aren’t.
Around 30 years ago we had an Air Show in the small town where I live. The highlight was indeed a SU-27. People still talk about it today and allways refer to it as "the russian". It was amazing with its Copra Menouver. Russia had a lot of depts with a Swiss financial comany. The company even tried to confiscate the airplane if it would land in Switzerland
If a weapon has to exist, the best custodian is one that exhausts lesser deadly options. A warplane never being used for its intended role may not be the worst thing.
i love that the F15 itself was designed to counter what the mig25 was supposed to be. the US and the Soviets were both chasing ghosts but at least the US had a point of reference to build off of right away, even if it was all BS
You’d hate seeing one of these in an air show. Cause at one moment you think wow that’s what it looks coming right at me. And than you realize that thing is coming right you
I could have seen one at an air show years ago, but just before their slot I conveniently went to get a burger at the furthest away burger stand I could find... Taking no chances 😂
104-0, took out a helicopter with a bomb, and also shot down a satellite just to prove it could be done. And that's 40+ years old tech. We sell F15s, we passed a law to not sell the F22
I know he did the Draken on this channel a while ago and the Viggen on side projects. Not sure if he's done the Gripen but he might have done so on one of his many many channels.
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Addition to your service post: @11:24 The "auto cannon" shown at 11:24 is a M230 30mm chain gun which is in this picture mounted on an US-American Boeing AH-64 Apache - also shown the fins of AGM-114 Hellfire missiles to the right of the M230 and to the left oft the gun is a M261 19-tube rocket launcher with Hydra 70 rockets. @11:26 is showing the 30mm ammunition supply for the M230 30mm chain gun located in the left "cheek" of an AH-64 Apache. Both has nothing directly to do with an SU-27.
11:48 A head-up display only works for the one person correctly positioned to see the reflected information so there is only one head involved (particularly if the aircraft is a single-seater). “Heads-up!” is a warning, originally to alert people below those working in high places (e.g. builders or crewmen on sailing vessels) that they’d dropped something.
@@voidtempering8700 No, the topic is which is better and since neither fought the other we can only go by their combat records like all fighters, and the Eagle has NEVER been shot down by any fighter and also shot down a helicopter with a bomb and shot down another fighter with just it's sonic boom and shot down a satellite in space. Very simple if you are a boxer going up against another and you're undefeated and your opponent lost quite a few battles, the entire betting world will side with the undefeated boxer.
@Jimtheneals I don't understand what the helicopter or satellite has anything to do with air to air combat, but go off I guess. But you also realize the F-15 has never engaged with another fourth generation aircraft, right? Then there is also the countless number of variants for each aircraft, some of which are clearly better than the opposing aircraft. It's also funny how you guys all regurgitate the same meaningless stats, like the 104-0, shooting down satellites, or downing helicopters, as if the F-15C that did that at all compares to the modern F-15, or how the aircraft it shot down don't compare to the Su-35. So far, you have not talked about how the F-15s radar is better, how they wield better missiles, or anything about the crew.
When you mentioned the carrier-capable SU-33 at the 17:10 mark, you forget there are no really capable Russian carriers available for these aircraft. The Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia's only carrier, sits in drydock, rusting, with its crew on the frontlines of Putin's war with Ukraine! So much for the SU-33!
Actually they just tow the ship around and use the fight deck. The ship might be shit but they don't have a strategic need to project power like the U.S. because they don't really have the capability to do so. They actually don't even really need the carrier to work other than to use the flight deck and slightly move it around by towing it because the overall design of almost every other navy that isn't the U.S. navy is one of a regional defence power and at best is very impotent at power projection across the globe. China is boxed in by all the Asian countries around it and hopes to break out and become a global naval power like the U.S. and Russia definitely has no hope to do so. It's naval air power will be centered around protecting Russia, and hostile activity to their neighbors. Also the location, geology and terrain of different countries effect defense needs. America doesn't have to worry about their neighbors like Russia, China and every single other country in the world so we can focus a lot on power projection across the globe and having 11 carriers and other amphibious ships some also having flight decks like carriers allows us to be the empire of today's world.
You are also right, the fact that naval personnel from the carrier being moved to the front lines shows that recently Russia either lost the capacity to do so or has for some reason deemed the continuing use of their carrier is no longer feasible for their defence needs or simply unable to do so. If many of them are sent to the front lines they risk deleting their current naval air combat experience, which although isn't none is very minimal. We see Russia on large decline and Chin rising like the empire of the sun did
Even though the SU27 has flown far fewer combat sorties than F15's, more SU27s have been lost in combat than F15's. The SU27 is a good plane but Russian pilots have inferior training with far fewer hours flying time than NATO pilots, and Russian maintenance is also inferior, with problems with spare parts availability and quality problems caused by corruption. The Russian military has two enemies- the foe they are actually fighting, and corruption which is a very powerful enemy.
the F15 has also never really faced a peer air combatant in its history 99% if it's combat history is against Insurgents and a country that turned off most of its air defenses and grounded its air force (in fact the vast majority of the F15s combat record is against jets made in the 50s and early 60s) the most modern jet ever downed by an F15 was a Syrian Mig-29......Mig-29s that were purposely downgraded by the soviet government for export also where did you get maintenance as an issue? because according to the DOD Russian Air and ground maintenance Crews have done things considered impossible by NATO maintenance crews (such as Mark rutte talking on Russian ground maintenance Crews being able to return 70-80% of all damaged or destroyed vehicles back to service) even Mark Milley talked on how Russian maintenance teams aren't like US maintenance teams that have to work with what is in the field, a lot of Russian maintenance depots work directly with factory manufacturers to get parts directly to the front, rather than waiting for parts to go to a depot be cataloged and slowly rolled out to ground crews
@@nicholasbrown668is it the F-15s fault that a peer can't be built or be willing to challenge it? The best planes don't have to fight because the enemy knows there's no use in trying. That's the point of building air dominance. Build the best and you'll never need it in combat
@nealramsey4439 I think you mean after the US lost a combined 15k aircraft on Vietnam and Korea they decided not to fight a near peer in the air ever again, the US modern air fleet has to date only fought extremely poor 3rd world countries (and struggled in them for decades) and the US doesn't want another war because it knows it will lose hundreds to thousands of aircraft like it has in its other "modern" wars The US was humiliated out of Vietnam (you can't cope about that because American influence in the region and globally took a massive hit until the Gulf War and the Southern economy took an absolutely massive hit after the war ended) and decided it couldn't take the losses it had previously as the people and the economy could not handle the massive loss in material and manpower
@@nicholasbrown668The US airforce scored more kills than they suffered losses in Korea and Vietnam, same as they did in WW2. The losses aren’t from aerial combat but from AA. Every single time the US went up against Russian aircraft they came out on top. Nowadays it’s not even a contest anymore. Get real dude. Russian aircraft have always been inferior to US aircraft.
The airframe itself is great, it's a damn shame that it couldn't keep up with tech. 6-0-2 k/d is okay-ish. Note most of it's kills were against other Russian origin jets between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
I mean to be fair almost the entire f-15’s k/d were against 3rd gens and helicopters operated by poorly trained conscripts or under equipped militaries.
No it doesn't. Russia is afraid of that because if an Su-27 is going up against an F-22 combat, that means it's also up against a lot of other NATO aircraft. They know that means losing.
@@kathelsupreme1152 Possibly if Putin is that dumb, but beyond any conflict with the US--which means conflict with NATO--no Russian piloted aircraft will go up against the F-22. And you're right, no one wins if nuclear weapons are used. Putin is the only one making such threats, and he's well known for making threats that he doesn't back up. IMHO, if Putin tried to release use of a nuclear weapon, there'd likely be rational Russian military officers and other officials that would make sure that didn't happen. Right now, Russia has no path to victory.
That does sound interesting. Some of those places are mind boggling huge and complex. I've worked in a few in that area and port nesches. (Not sure of spelling)
both are good in their roles the flanker is great for manouverability and for close air striking the f15 is a juggernaut for giant targets in which you dont need precision
You have that exactly reversed; the F-35 can't target jack shit without lighting itself up; someone finally figured that out, and so each F-35 flight is paired with an F-15 which does target detection and provides guidance to any radar-homing missiles. Yes, HARM and AMRAAM and such exist, but they depend on an enemy illuminating himself (like an F-35 without an F-15 to serve as bloodhound). That leaves heat-seeking and laser-guidance; IR has very limited range, relying on (again) host guidance for longer engagement distances, while laser only works air-to-air at extremely close range, dogfight distance, due to vibration. (Works great from the ground, though, but like IR suffers from diffraction and atmospheric absorption, so about 16 km/10 mile hard limit.)
@@davidgoodnow269Don’t you have that backwards? Shouldn’t the F-35 spot targets while the F-15 carries and fires ordinance with data fed to it by the F-35
@mike-0451 No. What I wrote is published USAF doctrine. F-35s only solo when the mission calls for staying undetected until missile launch, against ground targets -- Wild Weasel -- using self-homing munitions. They can't stay functional long enough for CAP BAR, escorting AWACS.
Can you do a video on how all the upgrades the SU 57 has gotten throughout the years throughout it’s 10 prototypes and serial production aircraft and how their planning on adding the AL 51 F1 engine onto the SU 57 with a massive expansion in the factory that builds the SU 57 during August of this year
Had the privilege of seeing the T-10 at Moninho, and it's latest iteration, the ridiculously manoeuvrable SU-35 at MAKS ! The SU-27 is an exceptional aircraft, and is asthetically stunning!
7:23 What you're meant to say was with the F-15 flying the Soviets could now confirm their design and decisions by observing the F-15. *_But it's not cheating and copying, you guys! We design everything from scratch out of the purest refined Smekalka ever produced!"_* 😳
Oh if you want to see a great story of the Soviets doing a "we swear this design is entirely indigenous" the origins of the MiG 15, and yes it involves Nazi scientists that fled to Argentina...for reasons
I love how the comment section here is either " REEEEE F-15 BEST" or "REEEEE FLANKER BEST". Both planes had their goods and bads. For example The Flanker has a HUD that doesnt require you to look on a different screen to see what your radar shows. While the F-15 was basically designed with future missiles in mind and worked perfectly in sync with the technology of the time and was therefore more capable especially in the beginning of its service life and even decades later. Their reputation is sorely based on the 104-0 kill ratio on the Eagle and the beatdown the flanker had in Syria and Ukraine. The Eagles kill ratio is 90% 3rd or even 2nd gen jets and only a handful of MiG-29 in Kosovo. None of the jets had any chamce to begin with since it was pretty much always in heavily contested airspace. The eagle basically never fought when there wasnt already air superiority established. Most people know what just the MiG-29 can do to the eagle just with the R-73 alone. Just that alone lead to the AIM-9X program. Now imagine an bigger MiG-29 with more missiles and better radar. The Flanker showed what happens when you dont properly modernize your aircraft, dont properly train the pilots and then send it into contested airspace. It gets beaten a thousand times over by literally anything. One side is a pony ride over rainbows the other is life in North Korea in comparison
The more you study about the F-15 104-0 kill ratio the less impressive it was. I thought it was fighting an equivalent rival but turns out it's like shooting an AP round at paper target rather than steel target. Don't get me wrong, the F-15 fulfilled it's role as an air superiority fighter but just like the "flanker" it hasn't faced an equivalent rival.
Thank you someone acknowledging that the 104:0 kd is bogus at best. F15 is a good jet but pls, stop touting its 104:0 kd its highly overexaggerated, the thing nvr fought a true air-air fight against any proper adversary.
the truth of the matter is. the F-15 is proven superior through its feats and actions. with its modern upgrades including thrust vectoring and ecm the f-15 can compete with 5th gen fighters like the f-22 and f-35. there are many years for the 15 to keep going.
Their greatest Soviet jet is probably the MIG 15 or 21 since they had some actual success against their western contemporaries, and even that was limited.
In dcs, the su27 isn't to be underestimated. If you meet it head on at co altitude, there's a high likelihood you'll trade. If youre not paying attention, they can sneak up on you with their electro optical targeting system and long range heatseeking missiles (which dont trigger the rwr or the planes warning system to alert the pilot)
@blueg6demon423 yeah I know dude. I fly the 16, 15 and 18 in dcs and I'm not comparing it to real life. I'm just saying they're not worthless. Get off the eagle dong.
@@blueg6demon423me when high k/d with numerical superiority and enemies that are poorly trained with 20 year old aircraft. Like people dickride the k/d obtained essentially by prime Mike Tyson bullying children.
@@blueg6demon423 DCS is a combat aircraft simulator, SIMULATOR... irl fighter pilots have train on simulators before jumping into the real jet. & in their off time they are sometimes training with commercially available simulations. DCS is a legitimate comparison but to a certain extent.
The SU-33 must be the most useless plane ever built...a CARRIER CAPABLE Russian jet?! You mean that one broke-ass carrier they have that can't go anywhere w/o a giant tug to drag it back home?? 🤣🤣
Nope. The Su-33 was built in Ukraine, and the PLA arranged to purchase the (two?) constructed and blueprints through a Ukrainian oligarch, after signing a contract for two hundred of the Su-37 from Russia. After receiving the Su-33, the PLA stiffed Russia on all of the planes the'd bought, presumably thinking they could just reverse-engineer, adapt to their own tech base, and build their own. When the PLA discovered that they didn't _have_ the ability -- no knowledge of the necessary manufacturing processes, chemical production methods, and a lot of interrelated things -- to actually _build the components_ to build a modern jet, they had to crawl back to Russia and beg to complete the contract and pay for the planes they had already received and stolen the payments for! But yeah, the Su-33 is vital to the PLAN training carrier in service and the supercarrier the PLAN is trying to bring on-line. Huge problems due to trying to retrain land-based pilots to fly from and to carriers, as everyone in the world who has ever had a carrier told them; but sometimes, you just have to pee on the electric fence yourself!
@@davidgoodnow269 That is fkn amazing. You have so much specific knowledge on this topic. So, OK, the PLA orders it b/c at least China has carriers...eventually, kinda. Even though they're lame and few. I love that you know so much about this. It makes my initial comment stupid...but I'm OK with that b/c more info = better. I'm so happy you corrected my ignorance! 😁
@Crimethoughtfull Ain't all that big a deal! Most people don't know how China got its newer fighters; I heard some snippets and dug! Heck, it's nice to be appreciated. When someone in comments corrects something I get wrong or answers a question I had, I appreciate it too!
На самом деле нет. Палубный самолет значительно отличается и его разработка дала существенное количество решений и технологий что бы сделать Су-30/35 еще лучше.
@@elusive6119 Carrier capable OBVIOUSLY has significant differences from the main version....but it doesn't matter if your ONLY Carrier has to be accompanied by a tug b/c it can't go anywhere w/o breaking down. The one area where Russia war efforts are actually good is in the cyber sphere, and yet here you are being stupid.
Um, I highly highly doubt the su 27 had any influence that the US never attacked the USSR. It entered service in 1985, by which time the soviet economy was spiraling down the toilet despite Gorbechev being possibly the best and most western friendly of any soviet leader. Is is a great 4th gen aircraft, but preventing war is IMO not one of it's accolades. It could be argued that either the su27 program or russian military spending in general ended the cold war precisely by tanking the russian economy. Turns out you can't be super innovative once you run out of your citizens money to redistribute.
@@mattm7798 Well I think it did its share. I am thinking about a pivotal period in Cold War history where the balance of power was defined by technological advances, particularly in strategic bombing and nuclear capabilities. In the early 1950s, the United States enjoyed a significant advantage in long-range strategic bombing, thanks to aircraft like the B-36 Peacemaker and later the B-52 Stratofortress, which could deliver nuclear payloads across intercontinental distances. The Soviet Union, in contrast, initially lacked comparable capabilities, which made scenarios for a preemptive U.S. attack plausible-especially given the doctrine of "massive retaliation" espoused by the Eisenhower administration. However, the balance began to shift as the USSR closed this gap with the development of bombers such as the Tu-95 Bear. Introduced in the mid-1950s, the Tu-95 could carry nuclear weapons and reach U.S. targets, establishing the basis for mutual assured destruction (MAD). This technological leap made a first strike by either side far riskier, as it ensured devastating retaliation was possible. Your point about scenarios for a U.S. attack becoming less likely as Soviet capabilities improved underscores the interplay between offensive and defensive developments. The advent of ICBMs (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles) in the late 1950s further diminished the reliance on bombers and made rapid retaliation a reality, cementing a precarious deterrence dynamic that would last throughout the Cold War. It's a fascinating example of how technological evolution shaped strategic calculations and global stability. Would you like to delve into specific incidents or plans from that era, such as Operation Dropshot or Soviet countermeasures? So every weapon does its part, even if only to demonstrate that the USSR will not fall behind technologically.
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To say that the Su-27 arenot up for the challenge in the 21st century is a huge mistatement. With whatever limited financial resources that the USSR/Russia has since the introduction of the Su-27, it has hardly been upgraded with modern avionics and weaponry. Plus, according to the Russian naming convention, newer iterations of the Su-27 are given other names like the Su-30/34/35. Hence the Su-27 is really the equivalent of the F-15A, which wouldn't have fared too much better in the 21st century warfare. Nevertheless, the Su-27 has one of the best airframes ever built with massive upgrading potential. I think given China's relative superiority in avionics and weaponry relative to Russia, the latest iterations of Chinese J-11/15/16s will continue to be some very formidable Flankers for the next decade.
In their heyday I think the f15 had fox3 missiles while the su27 only had fox1s so the F15 would be way more likely to win but if they both had fox3 the superior radar and IRST option might have given the flanker the edge.
104 and 0 look out below, i took out a sattelite just for show lol but fr the su27 is a good and pretty fighter, its just unfortunate that it had to be made by russia
@@OzymandiasMC against 2nd and 3rd gen exported aircraft used by 3rd world countries, talk to me when the f15 can win against a fighter of its generation, that isn’t a mig29 or su33
late modifications of the F-15 are far more advanced than the early models. Likewise, Late model Su-27 (got new designations such as Su-30 and Su-35). So the Su-27 is still being produced in the same way the F-15 is being produced.
Different approaches to designating aircrafts. Russians name big upgrade packages by changing the number, US changes the letter. Technically su-35 is a modernized su-27, just like f-15ex is modernized f-15
Кроме того Су-27СМ это модернизированные версии первоначальных советских Су-27, так что мы еще услышим о них, учитывая, что их несколько сотен только у России.
@npoletopuat8841 It faced the Mig-29 over Iraq and Bosina and killed it ..That's 4th Gen and developed after the F-15 ..The Mig-29 is also more maneuverable than the SU-27 ...
@@265justyyou have the worst knowledge ever, those mig29s were missing 40% of their engine thrust, were exported models, no HMS and their only missiles were r60. Had it been a modernised mig29 or a su27, goodbye f15
Soviets had been designing the plane for years. They also never got their hands on a f-15, only a f-14 they fished out of the water after it fell off a carrier. And while giving insights on U.S tech it merely helped along and helped the specifications for an already running program.
By the time the SU-27 was operational the ATF had already chosen the YF-22 (A.K.A - F-22 Raptor) over the YF-23 Black Widow, just to beat they own F-15. Nearly 40 years after, they built a half baked 5th gen low visibility fighter with only 32 exemplars built.
Russia is a joke. Their nuclear weapons are what keep them around. Egypt tested their Rafale F3r’s against their new Su35s and when the Rafale turned its spectra EW suite on it had first look, first shot, and first kill every time in an equal fight. It made the Irbis-E radar on the Su35 useless
Built to take down something that is 104 and 0. Never won a battle against the F15 and has been shot down repeatedly by inferior aircraft. Yup SU27 is great.
I guess you missed the part he said about the F-15’s record being padded by shooting down inferior aircraft.. ahem Iraq.. but ya Team America.. World Police 😂
The Su 27 by reports is a very capable aircraft, but at that level of aviation, training is perhaps even more important than the platform, and the russian training simply couldn't compete with the US and her allies on a whole, and any other countries flying the 27 likely had worse training than russia. Give a great pilot great training, and I would not at all be surprised if the 27 could take down the f15 a good part of the time.
from the research I could find, the first loss of an SU-27 was in the Russo-Ukraine war.... to another SU-27, so please source the "shot down repeatedly by inferior aircraft" claim, thanks
Gotta love how every vid about something russian has a bunch of "experts" and bots in the comments upd. meant both sides. The bots that keep spamming how good russian military is and a bunch of non-russian military "experts" that keep yapping how bad it is just because it's russian. Both sides are equally annoying.
So true! It’s the most annoying and at the same time entertaining thing to do: reading this comment section. Why listen to the video in the first place when some are experts themselves?
@@tubois2025 It seems almost impossible that you could put 'a bunch of expert russian bots' in sentence that makes any sense. I applaud your craftsmanship. What video you guys talking about?
F22 is in the same club ??? anywhere the F22 flies, no one puts jets in to the sky to challenge it. Trump's 2018 battle of kasham had F22 in the sky and russia ordered pilots grounded. F22 by just being present, gives the US air superiority
Nothing made by man can compare to the monster that the F-22 is. that is a solid gods honest truth fact. Russia claims to have 5th gen fighters but they are more like 4.25 gen fighters compared to ours. 360 lock control with sparrow long range missiles, a radar signature the size of a humming bird. its been proven already that no country's radar is advanced enough to spot it. there are many times when our jets were escorting and enemy jets learned how terrifying true 5th gen stealth can be.
Flanker family of aircraft’s is arguably peak aerodynamic research and engineering… even declassified American documents attest to the fact that Soviets were ahead of them in these niche fields… USSR also did research on stealth in the sixties but their paper was utilized by Americans meanwhile Soviets didn’t think it was necessary.
Regardless of your stance on the ussr or the west. Is it possible to agree that soviet/russian jets are just absolutely GORGEOUS the mig-29 is just BEAUTIFUL su-27-35 and 34 just ‘chefs kiss’. Yes American jets(f-22, f-14, f-15 and that sexy F-18) are beautiful too but the Russians built some really beautiful jets. Now function aside from form they’re still beautiful.
Anything the russians make is like comparing a T14 Armata to an Abrams. On paper it`s the best in real life it`s either shi.t or never seen in combat. I mean just take a look at their "stealth fighter" . They do not even use it when they are at war because they know it`s shi.t. Or the T14 Armata. same thing
And judging f-15 and Abrams based on it's performance is stupid, as they never faced equal adversary, but the obsolete downgraded versions, operated by 3rd world countries
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The US (ironically) did a similar thing to the Soviets in the development of the F-15. They built it to counter the Mig-25, thinking it was an enormous multirole fighter. Only to find out (when it was in service) it was a high-speed interceptor.
and actually trash...
@@BoomerZ.artist it does it's role. It wasn't made to take on fighter. It was to take on unaccompanied bombers coming into the east from western USA
It's a pos interceptor that didn't make a single interception, but it did fly into NATO territory, and landed safely to be well studied only to find out it's just junk
@@smalltime0By the time it was ready that role was already obsolete.
@@smalltime0an interceptor that cant fight?
Isnt that the whole point of intercepting?
NATO names for Soviet/Russian fighters are not normally adopted by the Russians. Indeed, some are decidedly unflattering. However, I have read that Russian pilots actually liked the names of Fulcrum and Flanker given to the MiG-29 and Su-27 respectively and used them as informal nicknames.
Felon is the best nato name for a Russian aircraft
@@JayzsMr I always liked Foxbat- legit sounds cool, but MiG-15 "Fagot" is my favorite by far
"Fulcrum" is a cool name. Never gonna top the name "Raptor" but hey we do choose these things. What's the dumbest official name of a US fighter? I vote "Aardvark". Wtf General Dynamics. Then they named one of the greatest planes ever "Fighting Falcon"?! GD sucks at names. One word: Viper
@@AndyBonesSynthPro Su-37 Terminator IMO is the best NATO name I've heard out of the bunch. The Su-57 Felon sounds silly to me.
@@AndyBonesSynthPro Aardvark wasn't an official-official name. The F-111 was originally mocked by reformers because they thought it looked like a pig and they were allergic to modern technnology (I think they even came up with the name Aardvark?) and the air force just kinda ran with it because they thought it was hilarious. Something like that, can't remember the exact details. "Fighting" Falcon was indeed oof though xD
Eitherway, they also gave us the EF-111 RAVEN.
All things considered, the Flanker family is still one of the coolest looking fighters there it.
It LOOKS like what a predator should look like.
The Su-27 frame with western avionics and engines... yeah, that would be deadly.
@archmageofmetal8883 For some reason the Flanker airframe looks like a wasp.
@pablom-f8762 I believe there are Flanker variants with Western avionics, but not engines. The SU-30MKI comes to mind.
@@8000jkincluding AESA?
@pablom-f8762 Well said!
My country operates both Western/US and Russian fighters, our air marshal said that Russian fighters are overall great, but with one severe disadvantage compared to their Western counterparts, that is poor metallurgy (compared to Western ones), which manifested in significantly worse engine lifespan.
Su-35 with its engines built by Western company (e.g. Russian AL-41 built by P&W), and Western avionics would sure be the perfect form of 4th gen fighter.
"It weighed 73,000lbs loaded..." bro that is a fighter that weighs damn near 37 TONS
And it moved like it had a fraction of that
it has controls surfaces and thrust large enough to compensate like the SU 34.
The jet itself weighs about 36,000 lbs.
@@bigmungus4864 the thing's as long and wide as a typical single family home built in the 70s. It's not that it doesn't have the ability to move... It's just the numbers and dimensions are crazyyyyy
That's like a light tank or a 2-3 tram wagons.
To be fair, the F-15 has never actually fought any peer level foe, with most of its kills coming from BVR combat against technologically inferior enemy aircraft with a high friendly numerical advantage in areas with low numbers of SAMs or sites that had already been suppressed. The Su-27 has mostly fought technologically superior foes in a SAM infested battlefield with far more advanced systems than when the F-15 got the majority of its victories. The majority of which, came from Israel, not the US.
Pretty much. The F15 is a massively powerful weapon that was mostly employed against severely outdated and/or weakned military targets.
Thank you finally somebody who isn't just endlessly glazing the F-15 and not looking at anything deeper than a scoreboard
Ooh the su27 doesn't measure up to the boutique 5th gen fighters of.the boutique militaries of the European powers and the legacy systems of the us airpower... they love to compare it to the f22 and f35 u are comparing apples and oranges, we have a handful of these aircraft and their performance against peer competitors is theoretical,😊
However, a Mig-25 managed to hit an F-15 in Iraq during the Gulf War, but the F-15 managed to return to base.
That's kind of the point, isn't it?
Look, I don't know much about planes, but it sounds impressive that they were able to build folding and reverse-swept wing variants on what looks like a broadly similar airframes. And one with thrust vectoring too.
@11:24 The "auto cannon" shown at 11:24 is a M230 30mm chain gun which is in this picture mounted on an US-American Boeing AH-64 Apache - also shown the fins of AGM-114 Hellfire missiles to the right of the M230 and to the left oft the gun is a M261 19-tube rocket launcher with Hydra 70 rockets.
@11:26 is showing the 30mm ammunition supply for the M230 30mm chain gun located in the left "cheek" of an AH-64 Apache.
Both has nothing directly to do with an SU-27.
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6:15 Ouch. Imagine being so far behind in a race that you're not even sure what you're racing anymore.
Well, to be fair, a big part as to why the F-15 program was even created, was that the USA didn´t have a clue what the Mig-25 was even capable of and were really afraid of it
@@lukebrainman There were Concerns about the Mig-25 due to the lies the Russians were spewing about it.
And then it came out of the Hangar and everyone laughed.
Then they repeated the Mig-25 lies with the SU-57....... And the F-22 was born.... They lie, we build something for those lies... And then the truth comes out and everyone points and laughs. And now no one takes Russia Seriously anymore. Looks at a certain "Special Military Operation" that has made sure they look as dumb as the world actually knows they are.
@@lukebrainman Yep, we thought it was super agile, super fast fighter.... turned out it was a not-very-agile interceptor that could not run at full speed for very long or its engine exploded...
@@lukebrainmanI thought I was being plenty fair, I said ouch. But upon reflection, you're right. They deserve a participation trophy.
@@lukebrainman Which, frighteningly shows that sometimes, Vaporware is the Mother if Invention!😅
It's a misconception that the J-11 was a copy. It wasn't. China got a license from Russia to build their own aircraft. The dispute with Russia was because China started modernising it themselves with their own avionics, radar, etc.
Iran just got a licence to built the SU-30 and SU-35 it isn't a copy.
"Built to do X, didnt do it" is the entire history of the Russian arms industry.
Well looking at ww2 and the wide use of Russian military equipment clearly a lot did do what it was made to do. Otherwise the ussr and modern Russia wouldn’t have existed.
@@sovietbanana4589tbh ww2 Russian tanks and planes since and before WW2 were deadly as fuck to fly or operate. Still are "I can do a cobra!" And you can crash and burn doing that move very easily. My tank has auto loader! *Ends up in space as chunks*
@ that’s just all military equipment. Like the f-15 has had hundreds of crashes in its service life. Saying Russian equipment is somehow inherently more prone to accidents or more dangerous is like a wives tale.
@sovietbanana4589 yes, but the f15 has so many less REPORTED deaths. Russia, that's some high self kill numbers. Russian planes in general have huge kill numbers, on their own
@ no? You’ve literally provided no sourcing other than “trust me they’re more deadly”. You’re schitzo rambling about Russian shit being more deadly when the aircraft clearly aren’t.
Around 30 years ago we had an Air Show in the small town where I live. The highlight was indeed a SU-27. People still talk about it today and allways refer to it as "the russian".
It was amazing with its Copra Menouver.
Russia had a lot of depts with a Swiss financial comany. The company even tried to confiscate the airplane if it would land in Switzerland
The F-15 is arguably the greatest aircraft ever. The Flankers are pretty cool though!
If a weapon has to exist, the best custodian is one that exhausts lesser deadly options. A warplane never being used for its intended role may not be the worst thing.
i love that the F15 itself was designed to counter what the mig25 was supposed to be. the US and the Soviets were both chasing ghosts but at least the US had a point of reference to build off of right away, even if it was all BS
You’d hate seeing one of these in an air show. Cause at one moment you think wow that’s what it looks coming right at me. And than you realize that thing is coming right you
I could have seen one at an air show years ago, but just before their slot I conveniently went to get a burger at the furthest away burger stand I could find...
Taking no chances 😂
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104-0, took out a helicopter with a bomb, and also shot down a satellite just to prove it could be done. And that's 40+ years old tech. We sell F15s, we passed a law to not sell the F22
BS
@@pacus123literally everything he just said is verifiable as true 😂
Well... If ya know, ya know
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@@stealthrycheaka8982 agreed, it’s frustrating but those in the know, know 🤣
104-0 look out below
took out a satellite
just for the show
SAAB Gripen video please Simon
I know he did the Draken on this channel a while ago and the Viggen on side projects. Not sure if he's done the Gripen but he might have done so on one of his many many channels.
Gripen E
Simon isn’t the one running the channel, he’s just a talking head.
1:00 - Chapter 1 - Design & development
3:05 - Mid roll ads
4:35 - Back to the video
7:50 - Chapter 2 - Specs & capabilities
12:35 - Chapter 3 - Many missions ; many descendants
Addition to your service post:
@11:24 The "auto cannon" shown at 11:24 is a M230 30mm chain gun which is in this picture mounted on an US-American Boeing AH-64 Apache - also shown the fins of AGM-114 Hellfire missiles to the right of the M230 and to the left oft the gun is a M261 19-tube rocket launcher with Hydra 70 rockets.
@11:26 is showing the 30mm ammunition supply for the M230 30mm chain gun located in the left "cheek" of an AH-64 Apache.
Both has nothing directly to do with an SU-27.
11:48 A head-up display only works for the one person correctly positioned to see the reflected information so there is only one head involved (particularly if the aircraft is a single-seater).
“Heads-up!” is a warning, originally to alert people below those working in high places (e.g. builders or crewmen on sailing vessels) that they’d dropped something.
Interesting fact: The f-16 was slightly unstable allowing it to maneuver better in dogfight type movement.
SU-27 is such a sexy aircraft. I love flying it in DCS.
"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it....has a SU 27 ever destroyed an F-15?"
Has an F-15 ever destroyed an Su-27 ? Or any jet that isn't atleast 20 years older ? Didn't do either.
@@Onezmhu The eagle did shoot down a satellite in space.
@@JimthenealsCongratulations, you completely avoided the topic.
@@voidtempering8700 No, the topic is which is better and since neither fought the other we can only go by their combat records like all fighters, and the Eagle has NEVER been shot down by any fighter and also shot down a helicopter with a bomb and shot down another fighter with just it's sonic boom and shot down a satellite in space. Very simple if you are a boxer going up against another and you're undefeated and your opponent lost quite a few battles, the entire betting world will side with the undefeated boxer.
@Jimtheneals I don't understand what the helicopter or satellite has anything to do with air to air combat, but go off I guess.
But you also realize the F-15 has never engaged with another fourth generation aircraft, right? Then there is also the countless number of variants for each aircraft, some of which are clearly better than the opposing aircraft.
It's also funny how you guys all regurgitate the same meaningless stats, like the 104-0, shooting down satellites, or downing helicopters, as if the F-15C that did that at all compares to the modern F-15, or how the aircraft it shot down don't compare to the Su-35. So far, you have not talked about how the F-15s radar is better, how they wield better missiles, or anything about the crew.
When you mentioned the carrier-capable SU-33 at the 17:10 mark, you forget there are no really capable Russian carriers available for these aircraft. The Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia's only carrier, sits in drydock, rusting, with its crew on the frontlines of Putin's war with Ukraine! So much for the SU-33!
Actually they just tow the ship around and use the fight deck. The ship might be shit but they don't have a strategic need to project power like the U.S. because they don't really have the capability to do so. They actually don't even really need the carrier to work other than to use the flight deck and slightly move it around by towing it because the overall design of almost every other navy that isn't the U.S. navy is one of a regional defence power and at best is very impotent at power projection across the globe. China is boxed in by all the Asian countries around it and hopes to break out and become a global naval power like the U.S. and Russia definitely has no hope to do so. It's naval air power will be centered around protecting Russia, and hostile activity to their neighbors. Also the location, geology and terrain of different countries effect defense needs. America doesn't have to worry about their neighbors like Russia, China and every single other country in the world so we can focus a lot on power projection across the globe and having 11 carriers and other amphibious ships some also having flight decks like carriers allows us to be the empire of today's world.
You are also right, the fact that naval personnel from the carrier being moved to the front lines shows that recently Russia either lost the capacity to do so or has for some reason deemed the continuing use of their carrier is no longer feasible for their defence needs or simply unable to do so. If many of them are sent to the front lines they risk deleting their current naval air combat experience, which although isn't none is very minimal. We see Russia on large decline and Chin rising like the empire of the sun did
Riiiiight... but hey we got Chinese doing it better with their carriers and their Su-33 aka J-15's
Even though the SU27 has flown far fewer combat sorties than F15's, more SU27s have been lost in combat than F15's. The SU27 is a good plane but Russian pilots have inferior training with far fewer hours flying time than NATO pilots, and Russian maintenance is also inferior, with problems with spare parts availability and quality problems caused by corruption. The Russian military has two enemies- the foe they are actually fighting, and corruption which is a very powerful enemy.
the F15 has also never really faced a peer air combatant in its history 99% if it's combat history is against Insurgents and a country that turned off most of its air defenses and grounded its air force (in fact the vast majority of the F15s combat record is against jets made in the 50s and early 60s) the most modern jet ever downed by an F15 was a Syrian Mig-29......Mig-29s that were purposely downgraded by the soviet government for export
also where did you get maintenance as an issue? because according to the DOD Russian Air and ground maintenance Crews have done things considered impossible by NATO maintenance crews (such as Mark rutte talking on Russian ground maintenance Crews being able to return 70-80% of all damaged or destroyed vehicles back to service) even Mark Milley talked on how Russian maintenance teams aren't like US maintenance teams that have to work with what is in the field, a lot of Russian maintenance depots work directly with factory manufacturers to get parts directly to the front, rather than waiting for parts to go to a depot be cataloged and slowly rolled out to ground crews
Corruption will be their downfall
@@nicholasbrown668is it the F-15s fault that a peer can't be built or be willing to challenge it? The best planes don't have to fight because the enemy knows there's no use in trying. That's the point of building air dominance. Build the best and you'll never need it in combat
@nealramsey4439 I think you mean after the US lost a combined 15k aircraft on Vietnam and Korea they decided not to fight a near peer in the air ever again, the US modern air fleet has to date only fought extremely poor 3rd world countries (and struggled in them for decades) and the US doesn't want another war because it knows it will lose hundreds to thousands of aircraft like it has in its other "modern" wars
The US was humiliated out of Vietnam (you can't cope about that because American influence in the region and globally took a massive hit until the Gulf War and the Southern economy took an absolutely massive hit after the war ended) and decided it couldn't take the losses it had previously as the people and the economy could not handle the massive loss in material and manpower
@@nicholasbrown668The US airforce scored more kills than they suffered losses in Korea and Vietnam, same as they did in WW2. The losses aren’t from aerial combat but from AA. Every single time the US went up against Russian aircraft they came out on top. Nowadays it’s not even a contest anymore. Get real dude. Russian aircraft have always been inferior to US aircraft.
The airframe itself is great, it's a damn shame that it couldn't keep up with tech.
6-0-2 k/d is okay-ish. Note most of it's kills were against other Russian origin jets between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
I mean to be fair almost the entire f-15’s k/d were against 3rd gens and helicopters operated by poorly trained conscripts or under equipped militaries.
Yet, now it has to go against the F-22
No it doesn't. Russia is afraid of that because if an Su-27 is going up against an F-22 combat, that means it's also up against a lot of other NATO aircraft. They know that means losing.
@@robinseibel7540that will most likely escalate to assured mutual destruction . Nobody wins. You don’t want to see that happen
@@kathelsupreme1152 Possibly if Putin is that dumb, but beyond any conflict with the US--which means conflict with NATO--no Russian piloted aircraft will go up against the F-22. And you're right, no one wins if nuclear weapons are used. Putin is the only one making such threats, and he's well known for making threats that he doesn't back up. IMHO, if Putin tried to release use of a nuclear weapon, there'd likely be rational Russian military officers and other officials that would make sure that didn't happen. Right now, Russia has no path to victory.
@@kathelsupreme1152not very likely at all.
@@kathelsupreme1152M.A.D isn’t a very likely scenario, even with a psychopathic government (or two).
Everyone is saying the SU is better based on stats, but it doesn’t really matter if most of them aren’t maintained right lol.
Megaprojects should do a video on some of the largest refinery plants in Houston, Tx
That does sound interesting. Some of those places are mind boggling huge and complex. I've worked in a few in that area and port nesches. (Not sure of spelling)
both are good in their roles
the flanker is great for manouverability and for close air striking
the f15 is a juggernaut for giant targets in which you dont need precision
Seeing Anatoly Kvochur throw his SU-27 around the skies above UK airshows in the 90s truly was a sight to behold.
The F-15EX bombtruck will still feature in the US inventory though, as an external missile backpack for F-35s at least
You have that exactly reversed; the F-35 can't target jack shit without lighting itself up; someone finally figured that out, and so each F-35 flight is paired with an F-15 which does target detection and provides guidance to any radar-homing missiles.
Yes, HARM and AMRAAM and such exist, but they depend on an enemy illuminating himself (like an F-35 without an F-15 to serve as bloodhound). That leaves heat-seeking and laser-guidance; IR has very limited range, relying on (again) host guidance for longer engagement distances, while laser only works air-to-air at extremely close range, dogfight distance, due to vibration. (Works great from the ground, though, but like IR suffers from diffraction and atmospheric absorption, so about 16 km/10 mile hard limit.)
@@davidgoodnow269Don’t you have that backwards? Shouldn’t the F-35 spot targets while the F-15 carries and fires ordinance with data fed to it by the F-35
@mike-0451 No. What I wrote is published USAF doctrine.
F-35s only solo when the mission calls for staying undetected until missile launch, against ground targets -- Wild Weasel -- using self-homing munitions. They can't stay functional long enough for CAP BAR, escorting AWACS.
Can you do a video on how all the upgrades the SU 57 has gotten throughout the years throughout it’s 10 prototypes and serial production aircraft and how their planning on adding the AL 51 F1 engine onto the SU 57 with a massive expansion in the factory that builds the SU 57 during August of this year
Had the privilege of seeing the T-10 at Moninho, and it's latest iteration, the ridiculously manoeuvrable SU-35 at MAKS ! The SU-27 is an exceptional aircraft, and is asthetically stunning!
Love the quieter intro. ❤ Sophisticated 🧐
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What you're meant to say was with the F-15 flying the Soviets could now confirm their design and decisions by observing the F-15.
*_But it's not cheating and copying, you guys! We design everything from scratch out of the purest refined Smekalka ever produced!"_* 😳
Oh if you want to see a great story of the Soviets doing a "we swear this design is entirely indigenous" the origins of the MiG 15, and yes it involves Nazi scientists that fled to Argentina...for reasons
The most beautiful fighter jet ever made. More beautiful than the F-15.
Russia : Look at our new 8th Generation Fighter.
You: Has it ever beaten an F-15?
F-15: I'm 104-0. You tell me.....
08:49 - Wrong plane! 😅
That's an SU30
i saw a lot of wrong planes shown in this vid lol
I love how the comment section here is either " REEEEE F-15 BEST" or "REEEEE FLANKER BEST".
Both planes had their goods and bads.
For example The Flanker has a HUD that doesnt require you to look on a different screen to see what your radar shows. While the F-15 was basically designed with future missiles in mind and worked perfectly in sync with the technology of the time and was therefore more capable especially in the beginning of its service life and even decades later.
Their reputation is sorely based on the 104-0 kill ratio on the Eagle and the beatdown the flanker had in Syria and Ukraine.
The Eagles kill ratio is 90% 3rd or even 2nd gen jets and only a handful of MiG-29 in Kosovo. None of the jets had any chamce to begin with since it was pretty much always in heavily contested airspace. The eagle basically never fought when there wasnt already air superiority established. Most people know what just the MiG-29 can do to the eagle just with the R-73 alone. Just that alone lead to the AIM-9X program. Now imagine an bigger MiG-29 with more missiles and better radar.
The Flanker showed what happens when you dont properly modernize your aircraft, dont properly train the pilots and then send it into contested airspace. It gets beaten a thousand times over by literally anything.
One side is a pony ride over rainbows the other is life in North Korea in comparison
The more you study about the F-15 104-0 kill ratio the less impressive it was. I thought it was fighting an equivalent rival but turns out it's like shooting an AP round at paper target rather than steel target.
Don't get me wrong, the F-15 fulfilled it's role as an air superiority fighter but just like the "flanker" it hasn't faced an equivalent rival.
Flanker is prettier
Thank you someone acknowledging that the 104:0 kd is bogus at best. F15 is a good jet but pls, stop touting its 104:0 kd its highly overexaggerated, the thing nvr fought a true air-air fight against any proper adversary.
true.
even a macgready albatross would achieve that with its adversaries conditions
ok.slight exaggeration there.
lets say a sabre
104 and 0 and shot down a satellite just for show.
I said the same thing before I saw you did first.
the truth of the matter is. the F-15 is proven superior through its feats and actions. with its modern upgrades including thrust vectoring and ecm the f-15 can compete with 5th gen fighters like the f-22 and f-35. there are many years for the 15 to keep going.
BS and BS.
@@pacus123 Loser. Fan of inferior Russian junk
@@pacus123you wanna talk about lies told by a government to oversell an aircraft? You’re calling the wrong side a liar
Coobra Maneuver? A really cool cobra just hanging with his homies?
Their greatest Soviet jet is probably the MIG 15 or 21 since they had some actual success against their western contemporaries, and even that was limited.
Like the MIG- 29, the Flanker is a beautiful plane!
The MiG 29 and su 27 look so similar because they were both created using the same aerodynamic study
In dcs, the su27 isn't to be underestimated. If you meet it head on at co altitude, there's a high likelihood you'll trade. If youre not paying attention, they can sneak up on you with their electro optical targeting system and long range heatseeking missiles (which dont trigger the rwr or the planes warning system to alert the pilot)
DCS isn't real life. Stop using it as an actual comparison. F-15 is 105 - 0 and that include an Air to Air kill with a guided bomb.
@blueg6demon423 yeah I know dude. I fly the 16, 15 and 18 in dcs and I'm not comparing it to real life. I'm just saying they're not worthless. Get off the eagle dong.
@@skunky1-1 LOL right. DCS is very accurately simulated and I would say a great pilot with proper training in a 27 could at least compete with an f15
@@blueg6demon423me when high k/d with numerical superiority and enemies that are poorly trained with 20 year old aircraft. Like people dickride the k/d obtained essentially by prime Mike Tyson bullying children.
@@blueg6demon423 DCS is a combat aircraft simulator, SIMULATOR... irl fighter pilots have train on simulators before jumping into the real jet. & in their off time they are sometimes training with commercially available simulations. DCS is a legitimate comparison but to a certain extent.
Pretty convenient sponsor for the video lol
The SU-33 must be the most useless plane ever built...a CARRIER CAPABLE Russian jet?! You mean that one broke-ass carrier they have that can't go anywhere w/o a giant tug to drag it back home?? 🤣🤣
Nope.
The Su-33 was built in Ukraine, and the PLA arranged to purchase the (two?) constructed and blueprints through a Ukrainian oligarch, after signing a contract for two hundred of the Su-37 from Russia. After receiving the Su-33, the PLA stiffed Russia on all of the planes the'd bought, presumably thinking they could just reverse-engineer, adapt to their own tech base, and build their own.
When the PLA discovered that they didn't _have_ the ability -- no knowledge of the necessary manufacturing processes, chemical production methods, and a lot of interrelated things -- to actually _build the components_ to build a modern jet, they had to crawl back to Russia and beg to complete the contract and pay for the planes they had already received and stolen the payments for!
But yeah, the Su-33 is vital to the PLAN training carrier in service and the supercarrier the PLAN is trying to bring on-line.
Huge problems due to trying to retrain land-based pilots to fly from and to carriers, as everyone in the world who has ever had a carrier told them; but sometimes, you just have to pee on the electric fence yourself!
@@davidgoodnow269 That is fkn amazing. You have so much specific knowledge on this topic. So, OK, the PLA orders it b/c at least China has carriers...eventually, kinda. Even though they're lame and few.
I love that you know so much about this. It makes my initial comment stupid...but I'm OK with that b/c more info = better.
I'm so happy you corrected my ignorance! 😁
@Crimethoughtfull Ain't all that big a deal! Most people don't know how China got its newer fighters; I heard some snippets and dug! Heck, it's nice to be appreciated. When someone in comments corrects something I get wrong or answers a question I had, I appreciate it too!
На самом деле нет. Палубный самолет значительно отличается и его разработка дала существенное количество решений и технологий что бы сделать Су-30/35 еще лучше.
@@elusive6119 Carrier capable OBVIOUSLY has significant differences from the main version....but it doesn't matter if your ONLY Carrier has to be accompanied by a tug b/c it can't go anywhere w/o breaking down.
The one area where Russia war efforts are actually good is in the cyber sphere, and yet here you are being stupid.
The biggest success of the SU-27 is, that it never saw the cold war turning hot. The significance of deterrence for peace can never be underestimated.
Same thing for the the F-22
Um, I highly highly doubt the su 27 had any influence that the US never attacked the USSR. It entered service in 1985, by which time the soviet economy was spiraling down the toilet despite Gorbechev being possibly the best and most western friendly of any soviet leader.
Is is a great 4th gen aircraft, but preventing war is IMO not one of it's accolades.
It could be argued that either the su27 program or russian military spending in general ended the cold war precisely by tanking the russian economy. Turns out you can't be super innovative once you run out of your citizens money to redistribute.
It did not. It influenced US Arms race for air superiority. No one feared it.
@@Shinobubu I would leave that answer to actual pilots of the time.
@@mattm7798 Well I think it did its share. I am thinking about a pivotal period in Cold War history where the balance of power was defined by technological advances, particularly in strategic bombing and nuclear capabilities. In the early 1950s, the United States enjoyed a significant advantage in long-range strategic bombing, thanks to aircraft like the B-36 Peacemaker and later the B-52 Stratofortress, which could deliver nuclear payloads across intercontinental distances. The Soviet Union, in contrast, initially lacked comparable capabilities, which made scenarios for a preemptive U.S. attack plausible-especially given the doctrine of "massive retaliation" espoused by the Eisenhower administration.
However, the balance began to shift as the USSR closed this gap with the development of bombers such as the Tu-95 Bear. Introduced in the mid-1950s, the Tu-95 could carry nuclear weapons and reach U.S. targets, establishing the basis for mutual assured destruction (MAD). This technological leap made a first strike by either side far riskier, as it ensured devastating retaliation was possible.
Your point about scenarios for a U.S. attack becoming less likely as Soviet capabilities improved underscores the interplay between offensive and defensive developments. The advent of ICBMs (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles) in the late 1950s further diminished the reliance on bombers and made rapid retaliation a reality, cementing a precarious deterrence dynamic that would last throughout the Cold War.
It's a fascinating example of how technological evolution shaped strategic calculations and global stability. Would you like to delve into specific incidents or plans from that era, such as Operation Dropshot or Soviet countermeasures?
So every weapon does its part, even if only to demonstrate that the USSR will not fall behind technologically.
In my opinion in term of looks it's most beautiful fighter jet ever.
Nice choice. In my opinion the Mirage is the best looking fighter, but the Flanker is a close second
Trust me, the f15 never lost a fight.
Engagement with mig-25s in Iraq can be counted as lost, since f-15 were heavily damaged and mig's left untouched
The F15 got an air to air kill with a guided bomb. No other aircraft has ever done it.
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To say that the Su-27 arenot up for the challenge in the 21st century is a huge mistatement. With whatever limited financial resources that the USSR/Russia has since the introduction of the Su-27, it has hardly been upgraded with modern avionics and weaponry. Plus, according to the Russian naming convention, newer iterations of the Su-27 are given other names like the Su-30/34/35. Hence the Su-27 is really the equivalent of the F-15A, which wouldn't have fared too much better in the 21st century warfare. Nevertheless, the Su-27 has one of the best airframes ever built with massive upgrading potential. I think given China's relative superiority in avionics and weaponry relative to Russia, the latest iterations of Chinese J-11/15/16s will continue to be some very formidable Flankers for the next decade.
I always had the idea that taking the Air frame of the flanker and combining it with western technology you would get a very deadly combination.
In their heyday I think the f15 had fox3 missiles while the su27 only had fox1s so the F15 would be way more likely to win but if they both had fox3 the superior radar and IRST option might have given the flanker the edge.
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Su-27 is handsdown the best looking fighter. But airwar is no beauty contest...
Nah, the Rafale is. Those curvy engine intakes and delta wing.
true. easily the most beautiful fighter
It's not a F4U Corsair.......
@@ryanpoulter6286 That stupid ugly fuel probe ruins it!
@@raptor1672 just like the Su-30
That’s a well secured door
Its still raining terror in War Thunder lol
The go to Imperial fighter.
104 and 0 look out below, i took out a sattelite just for show
lol but fr the su27 is a good and pretty fighter, its just unfortunate that it had to be made by russia
And it’s unfortunate that the su27 is better than the f15
@@kurnass2000 104 and 0
@@OzymandiasMC against 2nd and 3rd gen exported aircraft used by 3rd world countries, talk to me when the f15 can win against a fighter of its generation, that isn’t a mig29 or su33
The SU-35 is my favorite variant of this aircraft.
The SU-27 is now obsolete. The F15 is literally still being produced. There is no comparison.
late modifications of the F-15 are far more advanced than the early models. Likewise, Late model Su-27 (got new designations such as Su-30 and Su-35). So the Su-27 is still being produced in the same way the F-15 is being produced.
Different approaches to designating aircrafts. Russians name big upgrade packages by changing the number, US changes the letter. Technically su-35 is a modernized su-27, just like f-15ex is modernized f-15
Кроме того Су-27СМ это модернизированные версии первоначальных советских Су-27, так что мы еще услышим о них, учитывая, что их несколько сотен только у России.
The Russian jet Built to destroy the F-15...Even tough the F-15 would destroy it... 😂😂
If f-15 ever faced equal adversary and not a 2nd or 3d gen gets, than maybe
@npoletopuat8841 It faced the Mig-29 over Iraq and Bosina and killed it ..That's 4th Gen and developed after the F-15 ..The Mig-29 is also more maneuverable than the SU-27 ...
@@265justyyou have the worst knowledge ever, those mig29s were missing 40% of their engine thrust, were exported models, no HMS and their only missiles were r60.
Had it been a modernised mig29 or a su27, goodbye f15
@@265justysu27 is more manueverable
@kurnass2000 F-15 is faster ,more powerfulll and equally as manoeuvrable
And the soviets did draw a single line on thw drawing board until examing thw F-15 and F-14
Soviets had been designing the plane for years. They also never got their hands on a f-15, only a f-14 they fished out of the water after it fell off a carrier. And while giving insights on U.S tech it merely helped along and helped the specifications for an already running program.
Please make a video on f5 freedom fighter, jf17 thunder and hal tejas
Certainly the best looking jet fighter by a long way.
By the time the SU-27 was operational the ATF had already chosen the YF-22 (A.K.A - F-22 Raptor) over the YF-23 Black Widow, just to beat they own F-15.
Nearly 40 years after, they built a half baked 5th gen low visibility fighter with only 32 exemplars built.
Russia is a joke. Their nuclear weapons are what keep them around. Egypt tested their Rafale F3r’s against their new Su35s and when the Rafale turned its spectra EW suite on it had first look, first shot, and first kill every time in an equal fight. It made the Irbis-E radar on the Su35 useless
"ATF"????
11:50 IRST is search and track, not sighting and tracking
Built to take down something that is 104 and 0. Never won a battle against the F15 and has been shot down repeatedly by inferior aircraft.
Yup SU27 is great.
Sorry what is 104 - 0? The F15? LOL! You got that from Wiki right? 🤣🤣🤣
I guess you missed the part he said about the F-15’s record being padded by shooting down inferior aircraft.. ahem Iraq.. but ya Team America.. World Police 😂
The Su 27 by reports is a very capable aircraft, but at that level of aviation, training is perhaps even more important than the platform, and the russian training simply couldn't compete with the US and her allies on a whole, and any other countries flying the 27 likely had worse training than russia.
Give a great pilot great training, and I would not at all be surprised if the 27 could take down the f15 a good part of the time.
@@crevis12 You still missed the part where it was still never shot down by Anything Russia has ever built?
from the research I could find, the first loss of an SU-27 was in the Russo-Ukraine war.... to another SU-27, so please source the "shot down repeatedly by inferior aircraft" claim, thanks
I've seen the Russian Knights in Hungary. I love their smokey engines.
"the Russian plane built to destroy the f15" yet didn't destroy a single f15
I mean the F15 didn't destroy a single SU27. It's all a giant dong measuring contest at the taxpayer's expense.
Play or plane?
I mean nothing ever destroyed an F15
Why doesn’t any bot say “yet”-are they starting to go soft in St. Petersburg?
@@Blockenheimer F 15 was hit in a bvr fight with an Iraqi Mig 25 but managed to return to base
Su 27 easily. Far better maneuverability!
Strike eagle is a monster
It's AIRCRAFT, plural and singular. There's no AIRCRAFTS!
But there is an aircraft's pilot and ground crew
@@bartfoster1311 Yes but that's not the same word is it? The Devil is in the detail.
Gotta love how every vid about something russian has a bunch of "experts" and bots in the comments
upd. meant both sides. The bots that keep spamming how good russian military is and a bunch of non-russian military "experts" that keep yapping how bad it is just because it's russian.
Both sides are equally annoying.
So true!
It’s the most annoying and at the same time entertaining thing to do: reading this comment section. Why listen to the video in the first place when some are experts themselves?
@@tubois2025 It seems almost impossible that you could put 'a bunch of expert russian bots' in sentence that makes any sense. I applaud your craftsmanship. What video you guys talking about?
I'm 44 and sometimes they try to gaslight me about things that watched live on tv.
Every video has one of you, too.
Add lasts from 3:05 to 3:36
You mean 4:36
@@MostlyPennyCat close enough
Great presentation!
I find the Flanker to be the most beautiful of all the 2nd world aircraft (Soviet, Russian, and Chinese).
F22 is in the same club ??? anywhere the F22 flies, no one puts jets in to the sky to challenge it. Trump's 2018 battle of kasham had F22 in the sky and russia ordered pilots grounded. F22 by just being present, gives the US air superiority
It wasn’t trump’s battle wtf
Nothing made by man can compare to the monster that the F-22 is. that is a solid gods honest truth fact. Russia claims to have 5th gen fighters but they are more like 4.25 gen fighters compared to ours. 360 lock control with sparrow long range missiles, a radar signature the size of a humming bird. its been proven already that no country's radar is advanced enough to spot it. there are many times when our jets were escorting and enemy jets learned how terrifying true 5th gen stealth can be.
Flanker family of aircraft’s is arguably peak aerodynamic research and engineering… even declassified American documents attest to the fact that Soviets were ahead of them in these niche fields… USSR also did research on stealth in the sixties but their paper was utilized by Americans meanwhile Soviets didn’t think it was necessary.
The only Sukoi that could possibly take down an F15 is the SU-57, but since they have so few of them it's not really an issue.
You misspelt, su-27, su30, su35 and su57, all of them better than the f15 stop glazing the 3rd worst 4th gen
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One of my favorite aircrafts in Ace Combat.
Technology advances so fast in mid 20th century then stalled somewhat in the 90s. Only in the 00s has it started to absence at a pace again
That thing throws smoke like an f-4.
Surprised by the lack of mention of the Su-34.
So they needed us to finish the f15 so they could rip it off?
Gotcha!
They have a nice variety of paint jobs.
It does have the highest kill/death ratio against it’s own pilots sooooo, that’s something
No mention of the SU-34 Hellduck
Regardless of your stance on the ussr or the west. Is it possible to agree that soviet/russian jets are just absolutely GORGEOUS the mig-29 is just BEAUTIFUL su-27-35 and 34 just ‘chefs kiss’. Yes American jets(f-22, f-14, f-15 and that sexy F-18) are beautiful too but the Russians built some really beautiful jets. Now function aside from form they’re still beautiful.
What the F. Comparing the SU-27 to the F-22 raptor... did you fall and hit your head? The F-22 raptor is the most feared jet in the air today.
Anything the russians make is like comparing a T14 Armata to an Abrams. On paper it`s the best in real life it`s either shi.t or never seen in combat. I mean just take a look at their "stealth fighter" . They do not even use it when they are at war because they know it`s shi.t. Or the T14 Armata. same thing
And judging f-15 and Abrams based on it's performance is stupid, as they never faced equal adversary, but the obsolete downgraded versions, operated by 3rd world countries
meanwhile my country stopped work on the avro arrow and now we are a laughing stock
20:55 And let's hope that trend continues!