Is Dynamic EQ HURTING Your Sound?
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Have you often wondered what Audyssey's Dynamic EQ is doing to your sound? Do you use it occasionally and think it sounds strange and muddied? Does a full moon cause you to howl uncontrollably? Well then check out this video and be sure to like, subscribe and hit that bell notification! I post new videos every week!
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Dynamic EQ = On for sure (Reference for me), it simply works if your setup and calibration is done correctly. Surely you, the audience, is not watching movies at home close at 0db! Surrounds can be set -2-to-3db with DEQ ON. Dynamic Volume will depend on the needs. For pure music switch all OFF and engage Pure Direct. Period.
Good video. :)
Very cool video Brad. Interesting to see some effects of Dynamic EQ. I prefer Dynamic EQ on but Dynamic Volume OFF. Remember, no judgment lol. Keep up the great work my friend
Thank you. And don’t worry, no judgement. At least not publicly. Haha.
I wish I could listen with Dynamic Volume off. The dynamics would be better. But my wife likes to listen at such low volume (-40 at times!) that dialogue is lost if I dont turn Dynamic Volume on Light
I prefer Dynamic EQ also. Personal preference. I just think Dynamic EQ makes the HT experience closer to the movie theater experience. Good info. Thank you your informational videos.
I actually tested Dynamic EQ on/off in my system too. I don't even have surrounds, just 2x Klipsch 8000F and 2x Klipsch SPL-150 hooked up in a Denon-X4500H. The difference between Dynamic EQ on and off is also tremendous for me. With DynEQ on, I get boomyness and tons of bass. With it off, the system becomes much more balanced, just like you described in this video. I've been using Dynamic EQ on for months now and as soon as I turned it off, I won't turn it on again. What I do use though, is Reference/Flat MultiEQ from Audyssey, since when it's off, I get lots of mids. Could be my room, but I find those EQs from Audyssey spot on and the quality is just outstanding. Great video!
If you use DEQ, make sure your initial level matching is actually FLAT. ..also make sure that when your receiver displays eg. -30, your speakers outputs 75dB(30+75=105), so it matches the 105 "reference" level. Example i use REW to output a -20db speaker signal, my AVR is at -10, so that is basically combined -30db...so -30-105 = 75 should be seen at the desibel meter. You might need to go and adjust either "trim" settings or "input levels" to get it to match. My main listening volume with or without DEQ is between -20-30, i find that lowering the surrounds 1-2dB from non DEQ (level matched) makes it more balanced, my "normal" max listening volume is only -25 on the Denon receiver (i live in a apartment) Oh, all of these tips are for the "-15 DEQ" settings which i use. I have the Denon X3500H
Have you experimented with setting Dynamic EQ to the least aggressive -15dB ref setting? Then EQ is only applied below -15dB master volumes (for example at night).
Wow , thank you for taking time on this video, I just bought my denon avc-x3700h yesterday and all I could hear was the rear heights and sides ! I'll now do a re cal and turn OFF DEQ.. NEW SUBSCRIBER 👍
Thanks! Wish I had seen this video earlier. Spent all weekend working out why the sound was so out of whack at -25db to -30db!! I ended up turning off dynamic eq and it solved my issue. Audyssey is otherwise fantastic - even if I have to make some adjustments. Great video.
Glad I could help! I used to run DynamicEQ until I realized this a few years ago. I was playing Minecraft with a friend and the surrounds were LOUD. Thought it was the audio mix, but then started testing it with movies and other games and noticed the same thing. It does sound fuller, but to me that fullness comes at the expense of balance and a "bloatiness" to the sound that I don't like at all.
WOW ! I never thought of trying something so simple yet so informative on what is being done to the sound scape with Dynamic EQ. Now I have to rerun Audyssey and start playing with settings to see what I've been missing ! Thank you so much for this video. Glad I found this channel and I'm looking foward to whatever comes next !
I find Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume handy living in an apartment is great because you can listen at lower volume levels and dialogue is loud and get good impact from effects
Sounds Great to me
This really provided me with much needed answers. Thank you for taking the time to explain with evidence the pros and cons.
Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it!
I definitely agree with turning off dynamic EQ. But I find that most surround mixes, in movies especially, have the surrounds too low. It’s a real pain to remember which movies are the ones that exhibit this. So I created a list and every time I pop in a disc I’ll just add the movie to the list if the surrounds need adjustment up or down. Games don’t seem to exhibit the behavior as much but I find boosting the surrounds by a couple dB is usually enough for most content. I don’t know if I’m going against artistic intent or not, but I used to think surround sound was a waste of time until I stopped level matching on test tones and started level matching based on content. But like you said one man’s trash is one man’s treasure.
totally agree that each movie s surround mix is different, some movies sound awesome with DEQ on and some off. It is super annoying to have to manually remember and adjust for each movie, I would have expected an expensive high end AV receiver can do a much better job at this
Funny I just switched from a Yamaha a2080 receiver I used for 2 years . To a new marantz 7706 pre/pro. I was using dynamic eq from the first day I set the marantz up. I didn't really know what it was. But I set it to on when it asked me in the setup .I noticed right away the rears were very loud. But I just thought that's how Marantz wants it setup. Good to know what the issue was. I won't be using Dynamic EQ from now on.
Interesting, but with this measurement you do not see what DynamicEQ does to the frequenzy reponse, which is also a big part of DynamicEQ i think.
While running Audyssey on my x7200wa, if you attempt to change the Master Volume (knob), it cancels the test. The first part of Audyssey tests output levels of both of my subs, which I set to -80db instead of 75 like Audyssey insists. The end result is Audysseey setting their volume to -12, which I bump to -5 and then play with on the fly using the Options button on the remote.
Adjusting speaker volume levels after Audyssey runs, The mains are usually -2.0 or -1.5, I bump them up to 0 and then each speaker the amount of clicks of the remote button to get those to zero. At a later time, I will use the Denon Test Tone to even them out. With my Master Volume set at my normal listening level of -35 or -30, I will set them all to -60db. Why you ask? I have tried the method of cranking Master Volume to 0db and then setting each speaker to -75db. Most were between -10 or -12, some needed to go below that -12 limit. I had to wear headphones while doing this, it was INCREDIBLY LOUD!!!!!
After doing this, I had to crank the Master Volume to -15db to even be close to my normal listening levels! And the meter displaying energy usage was more than half way up! Meaning, it was putting a heavy load on my system.
I don’t know what I did wrong, but I won’t being setting the Master Volume at 0db and setting each speaker to -75db ever again. The tweaks that I make after running Audyssey, my system gets plenty loud at -10. Each click up toward that magic 0db mark gets louder and louder, at 0, hearing damage would occur if listened to for more than a song or two.
@Dave B. that does sound really odd having to reduce the speaker level that much when calibrating at 0dB. Typically I need to reduce them 1dB or maybe 2dB, but never more than that. Something definitely doesn't seem right, but what does is a typical listening volume of between -15dB and -10dB. As I said in my other comment, that is my typical listening volume for the majority of movies outside of Christopher Nolan's terrible sound mixes. Hehe. I'm not sure of my overall load as I haven't checked in a while, but if memory serves correctly I know I'm always around 60-70% power consumption.
Do you have separate amps driving your speakers by chance? That is the only thing I can thing of as to why you'd need to reduce the trim level on you speakers by -12dB. In the end, I'd say go with what you're comfortable with and what sounds good to you.
@@HomeTheaterGamer I just ran Audyssey today after I finally received my repaired Paradigm tweeter from Speaker Exchange. One, I cranked the input source (USB) to -15db (LOUD). It’s an inactive source that I use to power a laptop can on top of the AVR. It makes no difference what Master Volume you have going into Audyssey, it uses its own levels.
It ran, the mains were at -2.5db, I set them to zero. I then stated to the Test Tone and cranked the Master Volume to 0. The meter was at -87ish db. To get it down to -75, that speaker had to be turned down to -10.5.
What am I doing wrong?
I noticed my surrounds were way to loud and ended up manually lowering their levels by a few dB. I'll try disabling the DynamicEQ instead. Thanks!
I have done a lot of tests on a lot of movies using dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume. The first thing is, is Dynamic Volume completely messes up the listening experience for action-heavy movies. If you live in a small flat or apartment, I can see this being something useful. Dynamic EQ in my testing at least seemed to definitely boost the listening experience and I actually found this function to be very useful, especially on films mixed today; which have already been neutered by the studios by decreasing the decibel levels in post-mix. I suppose what I am saying is that modern films are so badly mixed that even the center channel seems to lose dialogue comprehension because of the way they mix these days. The Dynamic EQ for me at least is a godsend and rebalances the mix which is deliberately lowered and am finding streaming channels are beginning to go down this route. I'm keeping my Dynamic EQ on, it's one thing DENON got right :)
Interesting test. I recently purchased my first AVR that uses Audyssey (a Marantz) after years of using a 5.1 system with no room correction. I find using Dynamic EQ to be somewhat useful with an offset when listening to music in stereo at very low volumes, but it completely throws the sound balance of my system off when using it for home theater. In addition to the overwhelming bass, dialog can become unintelligible due to the increase in background volume from the surrounds. I am very interested to see a test on the effect of Dynamic Volume as it seems to have a different impact on the sound (so far, in a negative way) than the Dynamic Range settings on my prior AVR. Are you planning to do a video?
Very interesting way to present. Making me curious to try it out and see for myself as I normally turn these features off without even trying them out.
And I was wondering, why at lower volumes I felt like I was wearing headphones only for the surrounds... Thank you
Been going back and fourth on/off for movie watching.
I find bass much more accurate and tighter with it off, when its on just too muddy and constant.
Also i find many times when an audio track comes on or like an explosion happens, with EQ on turns it down the fronts too much and loses its effect.
For those two reason I prefer to have it off BUT.... I hardly get any surround sound effect with it off, with 4 ceilings and 2 sides I can go an entire atmos movie and not hear any of the 6 surround speakers even once. Ya i can just turn up the surrounds but some movies or scenes surrounds get too loud then i'm turning them back down. Anybody have similar issues that has solved this problem ?
Yeh , exactly the same for me , I can only hear side and rear heights and sub
Brad I love your channel, I to am a Home Theater gamer, I feel like your my only friend in the world because we both enjoy games and Home Theater, I mostly use my Home Theater equipment for gaming, I don't really watch movies or listen to Music out side of my car and mowing the lawn.
My Onkyo receiver is about 10 years old and has an earlier implentation of Audyssey which has something called Midnight Mode. I wonder if Dynamic EQ is just a more comprehensive version of Midnight mode or is it the same thing.?
Thank you Brad Man.... Your work is well respected and Appreciated.
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I've gone back and forth for years with Marantz. I always end up going back to it. Movies just sound better with it on. When off is like the life is sucked out of the system. Most leave it on including Youthman. I'm not saying one is right or one is wrong, just use what sounds better to you. I do know that it's not just boosting overall volume. It is boosting individual frequencies. Also with it off it really kills the bass. I too run Audyssey then level match my speakers with REW and a UMIK-1.
@Jerry Mancini it really comes down to what you like, what volume you listen at and how you have your system set up. I don’t like how Dynamic EQ sounds and what it does to the audio overall. I have a house curve setup using the MiniDSP on my subs, so Dynamic EQ is a no-go there anyway (you want it as flat as possible if using Dynamic EQ, otherwise your subs will get boosted too much and could potentially cause damage). At lower volume levels, like -30dB, Dynamic EQ can work wonders and bring tracks back to life, but at -10dB, which is where I tend to listen to movies at, it’s really not needed IMO. For games, it has never sounded right to me.
At the end of the day, some people are going to love jazz music, while others are going to hate it. Thankfully there are options for everyone.
@@HomeTheaterGamer yeah you have to have a house curve without it. Like I said I've tried both ways many times and when it's on I get so much more detail across the range. I never tried it on a Denon tho. Been using Marantz for about 12 years now and it just comes to life when on. Now mid-range compensation is another story. Everybody should shut that crap off lol
I like dynamic EQ on less dynamic presets but i have to agree in video games you will soon spot that something is not right when for example you hear waterfall making noise in surround channels and then rotate your character to watch those water casdades and can barely hear any sound from front speakers. Thats not what things should be. However I like how it boosts punch and bass when listening with lower volumes, thats why I use it on -10 or -15db. Didnt found my favoroutes for movies yet.
Well, this explains perfectly why I said screw it and reduced my surround right and left to -12 db. I usually watch TV and RUclips videos areound -35-40 on the receiver and if I leave the surround levels where Audyssey sets them, they are so insanely distracting. But then I find things don't sound as good with DEQ off...especially the bass. I wish my older AVR-4311 supported the Audyssey App
Did you try to set all speakers (and the mail L/R) as "small" to see if the L/R also boost the db and match with the other speakers. ?
This is exactly why some call Denon garbage. It's not. Just use Dynamic EQ properly at low volumes or not at all.
Nice video! Well done! I like dynamic eq because I listen at -15 maybe -10 on some movies. What is a good way to compensate for that lower the surround speakers about 2db?
That could work. I would also look at lowering the subwoofer around the same as well.
thanks for that. I will check this out in my system as I have it at "on" at the moment and I was wondering how in the world when I was watching the Ozark series recently the surround speakers were taking over the sound coming from the front stage. That series has a lot of music playing in the background all the time and this was very disruptive to the point I had to jack up my fronts so that it can match up the back. I'll certainly make the test. Thanks
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! And your experience was exactly the reason I wanted to test it. You touched on something I totally forgot to mention in the video; because the surrounds and subwoofer are boosted so much at lower volumes, not only will the front channels suffer, but center channel dialogue can be hard to discern at times. Especially with a lot going on.
Yes, this "feature" of DynEQ has been bothering many Users for a long time now.
To fix it, at least partially, you need to figure out your average listening level. For me, that lies somewhere between -25db and -15db so what I do is, I adjust the level of Surrounds, Surround Backs, and Top Rears by -3db each.
DynEQ adds about 1db to each of those channel for every 5db below Reference (which would be 0db Volume setting).
So, if left unaltered, my Surrounds (and Surround Back and Top Rear) would all be running 5db louder than they should. With my modification, they would be only 2db boosted (which should be fine) at -25db Main Volume and the Boost would be gone entirely at -15db Main Volume.
Of course, if I were to turn the Volume up higher than -15, then the Surrounds would now actually be too soft.
It's a compromise, but if your listening range isn't too huge you can make it work...more or less.
Why u don't use offsets..they are made for this purpose to reduce boostness instead of reducing surround levels
Hey man I wanted to ask you I got the marantz 7706 and ran audyssey. When I set it to atmos movies mode there’s literally no bass without dynamic EQ. I have to turn it on in order for my subs 2 of them to come alive. There’s very little bass when dynamic EQ is set to off. Am I doing something wrong
Great question and thanks for the comment. Always hard to pin down the exact situation and circumstance, but a few things could be happening (or any combination of them). Audyssey by default will attempt to flatten out subwoofer response, which depending on your listening preference might attribute to the lack of bass. With DynamicEQ they apply a boost curve to the bass depending on the volume, so it’ll bring up the volume of the subs dynamically.
Audyssey also has a tendency to set crossovers on speakers too low. For instance Audyssey always wants to set my towers and bookshelf speakers to 40Hz. I’d double check crossovers and set everything to 80Hz (if it’s lower than 80Hz. If it’s higher than 80Hz just leave as is). That’s a good starting point. If Audyssey set your speakers to large, change them over to small and make sure crossovers are set to 80Hz.
Hope that helps.
@@HomeTheaterGamer thank you so much. Setting the cross over manually for all the channels did the trick.
Yes Totally agree with you Brad ! DEq totally destroys all the hard work we perfectionist do and like to have at point.
i upgraded my system with new Denon 4700 previously i was on Yamaha so it's all relatively new for me .. i did Cal with Multi Eq app and leveled all with REW , turned on all beautiful new gimmicks DV and DEq even Cinema EQ because hights are way to harsh .
last knight i was watching Monarch on Apple on Atmos 7.1.2 i noted that in dynamic film scenes where a lot is going on with people in aircraft that is grounding the dialogue of actors seems totally overwhelmed from all the other sounds not only the bass .. instantly the scene is out of all that dynamic and sounds voices / dialogue comes back normal!
i run my center a little hot because i like dialogue clear and centered, 1.5-2 db +
but even in other films i notice this same issue. first i was thinking it's a ECO problem of amp energy saving.
but it turned out its all Dynamic EQ doing this stuff 🤷
I turn dynamic eq off; thanks for validation!
My biggest problem with din eq on is that it adds unwanted db to my sub...i actually like that it raise the surrounds as in movies they are mostly silent. On my ancient avr 21 years ago i always set them to +6db... I now have Denon x1700h and Polk Elite signature along with sub hts 12... Fronts are set by aud at -7db and sub at -6db and the sub just cant blend with the speakers at lpf to lfe 120hz...should i put the lfe to lower? 100hz or 80hz?
Anways...with din eq off should i do manual adjust in Tone? Or i should leave that to off? Pls help.
Why would it only adjust the volume of certain speakers but not the LCR? I thought it's supposed to increase/decrease the loudness of frequencies for all speakers in order to match the Fletcher Munson curves at each volume level.
I think it has to do with how our ears/brain react to bass and sounds coming from the sides, rear and above as the volume is lowered, which is why those specific speakers/subs are boosted. I think I recall this being mentioned somewhere by Audyssey, but I can’t remember exactly what they stated or if they even mentioned the Fletcher Munson curves in the piece I was reading.
This was very helpful. Thanks
Great work, very helpful!
This guys awesome...can u let us know about direct and pure direct and when to use them..please..
Was using dynamic eq for years...someone suggested I turn it off....I will NEVER EVER use it again...NEVER.
Hi I am every your video it’s amazing it’s very helpful thank you
My one confuse in audyssey
I run audyssey
DQ on or off
D volume on or off please reply sir 😊
So, is 0dB honestly 80dB? And, is that where we are supposed to preset our channel levels. Also, do we preset to 80dB before running Audyssey? I watched your Audyssey video, but didn't see much hands-on receiver adjustments. Thanks for all of your advice. Oh! What is your thoughts on Dynamic Volume?
0dB is just your reference volume. Most setup their home theater so that 0dB is 75dB (or 85dB if using Avia like mentioned in the video). Once it’s setup that way, 0dB will be 75dB with those test tones, but just remember that movies and games can have peaks upwards of 100dB at that volume because of dynamic range. Movies are often mixed at a calibrated level of 75dB, which is roughly the level of a human speaking voice.
You don’t have to set that up before Audyssey. Just make sure your subwoofer level is correct otherwise you may get inconsistent results from the room calibration. And personally, I don’t use Dynamic Volume, but I’ve heard it’s fairly good for listening at night when you don’t want to disturb others. It squishes the dynamic range and levels out the audio, either lightly or heavily depending on the setting.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Thank for the reply and info! I am bet that you treasure your Avia disk and I sure would like to find a recently recorded - calibrated Blu-Ray just for setting up our systems. I'm sure it would sell out fast. I'm going to buy the latest Spears and Munsil disk as soon as I have to money, hopefully it will help. I used their first one to calibrate my television and what a difference that made. It would be great if Disney produced an updated W.O.W. disk.
@@HomeTheaterGamer So regarding subwoofer level, do you level match it as well? I've tried to do so on two different subs I own. Haven't been able to get to 75 dB without fear of doing damage as well as disturbing neighbors in apartment complex. Can get the spl reading to to 60 dB but fear stops me after that. I always start with the gain at 12 o'clock, AVR master volume at 0. I have Denon and Yamaha AVRs. Any suggestions?
@kengeo25 I do level match the subwoofers. Keep in mind that a reference level of 75dB isn’t necessary for calibration; it’s just a reference point. You just want to make sure your subwoofer (or subs) match the level your front left or right speakers are at. You can even use 60dB as your reference level if you want, although you wouldn’t want your receiver at 0dB volume as you’ll have a hard time calibrating that way. Just set you volume so the front left or right reads 60dB and go from there.
If you want to get technical, you actually want to set your subwoofer/s 2-3dB below your left or right speaker because standard SPL meters aren’t as accurate in the lower frequencies. By matching the subs to 60dB like your mains, you’re actually running them a little hot, which can be preferable to many people. I personally don’t mind running my subs about 4-5dBs hit, but that’s a personal preference.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Thanks, just rewatched your OG video on Audyssey. Didn't catch it the first time I watched but noticed you don't set your gain to 50% as most room correction advises to on sub setup. Going to try your method and go from there. Thanks for the quick response.
I think it is not recommended to switch Dynamic EQ off for the fronts like you did. This causes imbalance. Try setting Dynamic EQ on for all speakers incl. the fronts. Also the intensity of DynEQ can be adjusted via offset parameter from what I understood.
I didn’t turn off Dynamic EQ for the front channels as there are no on/off settings for Dynamic EQ targeting specific speakers or speaker pairs. It’s on or off for everything; I was simply highlighting that it doesn’t really do anything for the fronts while boosting the rear channels and subs depending on the volume level and offset chosen.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Oh, thanks for the clarification!
No problem! I am planning on doing an updated video at some point also comparing the different offsets and seeing what Dynamic EQ does to the height channels now that I have capability to measure them. Should be interesting.
Great work Brad you have answered my questions and
I agree I'll leave mine off too!
It's out of balance especially after REW and dsp.... Thank you!
what if you dont have a dvd player to play back those tone? is there a good alternative?
good share by the way!
larry
I honestly haven't found a good way to get tones without a disc player. If I come across one, I'll definitely let you know. For now, the internal test tones will be ok. In my experience, they're typically off by a decibel or two, which is honestly not noticeable when playing back content unless you have OCD like me. Haha.
You should state that your using 0dB offset. That's a very aggressive setting unless you're listening at ref level.
I should have mentioned that in the video, and that was an oversight on my part. However, 0dB is the default setting when enabling DynamicEQ and likely the one many people use, which is why I chose to use it. I will be doing an updated video at some point testing the other offsets as well as testing the frequency response of the bass and surround channels using REW.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Great stuff! Looking forward to it!
Use your Reference Level offset. It was put in specifically so that you can balance the speakers better.
I find an offset of about +10 to work great for me. The only soundtracks that sound off are videogames. Especially at -30 (where my wife likes to listen). Abovd that it sounds fine.
Dynamic EQ really expands the soundstage, even in 2-channel. I have done extensive A/B listening with DEQ on and off and I definitely prefer it on
It’s all about personal preference! Go with what sounds best to you. Personally, I’ve tried all three offset modes at various volumes and simply don’t like what it does to the sound in my room.
You have to seperate the Bass Boost that DynEQ offers from the boost to the Surround and Rear Speakers.
@@rolandrohde is this possible? I don’t like the surround boost with it turned on but I do like the bass boost.
@@Tulipo08
Sadly it's not directly possible. I manually adjust the Surround, Surround Rear and Top Rear Speaker Levels after running Audyssey to compensate.
For me, lowering those Speakers by 2.5 to 3db works well, since my usual listening level is between -15 and -25db Main Volume Setting.
@@rolandrohde Thanks. I ended up just turning DEQ off and boosted my subwoofer trim. 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other? Not sure but this approach works better for my situation. DEQ just boosts the surround waaaay too much for me.
Well, if the point is to change the signal to improve subjective listening experience. Then of course you're going to measure a difference. I'm not sure exactly what this proves?
I thought audyssey recommended that you not level match your speakers with a meter after running audyssey?
I wonder. On an onkyo receiver would “loudness” be considered dynamic eq?
I can't say for certain as I don't currently have an Onkyo hooked up in the house, but typically the Loudness setting boosts the bass and treble frequencies overall and won't change depending on your volume setting. It's essentially just an EQ preset. So in that sense it wouldn't be considered dynamic EQ.
@@HomeTheaterGamer just checked my rz50 and loudness states increased surrounds and bass at lower levels.
What’s your thoughts on running your bedlayer and atmos speakers through a dsp while utilizing room correction, like Dirac. Is this redundant?
I get a hissing when i use dynamic eq through all speakers.
Would you use Audssey for multi ch music? like a 5.1
This video is awesome I'm wondering how the less aggressive off sets would fare .
Thanks for the kind words! I’m considering doing a follow up video going over the differences in channel levels when using the reference level offsets.
@@HomeTheaterGamer looking forward to this
The Offsets simply shift things one step. So, esssentially, with Offset on -15db you get only 2db Surround Boost at -25db MV and 4db Bass Boost (if my Math is right).
Best man. THX a lot.
Probably DynamicEQ is doing the same to the Atmos Channels
With anything that says “Dynamic” I always…. Turn it off. I’m not an Audiosnob by any means.
It can produce a high bass for you’re subs but that’s what the volume nob is for on the back of you’re subwoofer “voltage”
As for me. I don’t listen at reference. It’s way too loud for my tastes. The highest I go is -10 depending on the mix of the movie or TV show.
But if you like Dynamic EQ then more power to you.
Thanks for making the video, I just turned it off. I had no idea this is what it actually did.
YOOOOO YOUR BACK IN THE BEGINNING 😂💀💀
Still feeling it. Haha.
Buy Omnimic or learn REW, and do real time analysis of the dynamic EQ. This procedure is like the proverb of trying to describe an elephant by looking through a keyhole.
I get what you’re saying, and I actually have an updated video doing just that (using a UMIK-1 and REW to measure DynamicEQ at various volumes as well as the different reference level offset settings). However, this video still has valid information for those who don’t want to go too far down that rabbit hole, which is why it’s so simplistic in nature.
Can you just use RUclips video for test tones?
You could, but RUclips only supports stereo/2 channel.
fits my experience... DEQ is not usable if you want the right balance across all channels..
I turn it off, can’t stand what it does to lower volume dialogue. If it’s supposed to create a more immersive experience, it’s failing because I can’t hear shit. This forces people to boost their volume way higher which then is too high for the really loud parts. Turned it off and never looked back. Less is definitely more.
Pretty bad test IMO. Just looking at the dB level doesn't tell the whole story. Do it with REW if you want accurate results. The subwoofer gets hotter because as the volume decreases we perceive lower frequencies as quieter compared to higher ones at the same dB level. And the surrounds get hotter because we also don't hear sounds from behind us as well as in front of us. Dynamic EQ is meant to keep everything even sounding at any volume level. If it sounds worse to you then I'd wager you have something else wrong in your system or you didn't run Audyssey correctly.
I didn’t have REW or a measurement mic at the time of this video, but I still stand behind my measurements and information in this video. Everything has been setup and verified using REW. No issues with my system and Audyssey has been run correctly multiple times over the years (or whenever I get items in for review).
My whole point of this video (and the other more recent one, where I responded to your comment) was that if you’re after accurate sound, then don’t use DynamicEQ. You won’t get it with it turned on at all. Its down to personal taste.
Yeah, it's got a wow factor at 1st, but I ran into an issue with it.
My front right speaker was louder than the left, and I could easily tell. I tried everything, and in the end, I used an SPL. Sure enough, it was 5db louder than the left. Even after I zeroed levels and distance, it was still the same. Turns out, it's something Dynamic EQ was doing to the speaker.
What avr? Works brilliant with the 3800 and 4800h.
i was just going to say don’t do that 😂
Is reference level 75 or 82?
It's actually 70
Use flat and medeum level
@@aaroningram8782 what do you mean medium level
@@GregoryJKeyes the dynamic volume
Is YPAO Volume, Yamahas version of Denons dynamic EQ or is it adaptive DRC. Want to shut it off in my yamaha receiver but I have to be sure im turning off the right setting.
I’m not very familiar with YPAO Volume, but looking it up it appears that it and YPAO Volume is Yamaha’s version of Dynamic EQ. It does seem to function differently than Dynamic EQ by not adjusting loudness of channels, only altering the EQ curve as volume is lowered. With that said, I’d personally turn it off unless you really like the way it sounds.
At least you now know Yamahas do it better ;) like I said, your results and conclusions don’t apply to everything. There are many applications of the concept out there. All you showed was what your specific avr does. It works VERY well on the good Yamahas.
On a yammy, would peq be dynamic eq?
@@KevinLamarche No I believe YPAO volume is Yamaha Dynamic eq.
I've tested the difference a few days ago. And turned it off.. The thing is that at lower volumes it actually make things worse if you have a bass heavy moment. Good idea, but a poor realization.
Agreed. The emphasis on bass and surrounds really makes everything sound unbalanced. Not a fan at all.
@@HomeTheaterGamer but I’m glad that it’s main function - room correction, audyssey does fine. But I have heard from US users that they prefer to add a few db on a subwoofer channel after setting it up. Because audyssey sets it lower than it should be.
Your results don’t apply to all makes or models.
Thanks for commenting. I never claimed they did. However, Dynamic EQ will still alter levels/EQ on a per channel basis on each AVR or pre/pro. There will always be variations between each AVR, but Dynamic EQ’s function within them will always be identical between models and even manufacturers.
That was my point; if you’re not comfortable with it altering your sound, then you will want to turn it off.
Now I know why my surround speakers are so loud, I set everything up with my SPL meter to 75db and than they sound much louder than the other speakers, I will try the Dynamic Offset -15 and than try with DEQ off, I suspect I will like it off