SoD is a contender for the worst PvP of all expansions

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  • @thugwaffle_
    @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад +11

    www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/18lyt28/flat_25_dmg_reduction_in_wsg_instead_of_the_5_dmg/
    ruclips.net/video/eyEJOgxChYY/видео.html
    sod has been nothing short of a disappointment so far from a pvp perspective. 0 skill expression from a lot of classes and just pure stat checking. I appreciate that with the level cap being 25, it's inherently going to be a bit wonky, but I don't see it being any better at higher levels without massive changes. Unfortunately, class balance seems to be mainly revolved around PVE, and PVP will continue to suffer because of this, unless something is stupidly broken in pve ( mage healing or scorpid pet as examples ). As a player who primarily plays solo and doesn't care for premading or min maxing rep / honour, the game feels unplayable at times and not enjoyable. Even wpvp is so hard to come by due to layering and after hitting 25 having no reason, outside of the Ashenvale event, to leave a city. I plan on sticking it out for a bit longer, but i'm close to the end of my tether with sod.

    • @perihel16
      @perihel16 8 месяцев назад +2

      Same really, was thinking of playing era but the servers seems kinda dead, I guess sod and hc have seen to that for some time by now.

    • @calendar1078
      @calendar1078 8 месяцев назад +1

      I really really don’t understand how it isn’t just a random hodgepodge of things from later expansions crammed together. If you couldn’t balance any of those expansions individually then how did you expect to combining like 4 of them?

    • @divinghero9776
      @divinghero9776 8 месяцев назад +11

      are you mad coz u cant one shot as a rogue ? Also you are either low geared or wrong spec coz ive seen rogues that are doing crazy amount of damage:S

    • @gougouga
      @gougouga 8 месяцев назад

      @@divinghero9776 you just saw him fighting bosses in warsong gulch dumbass ?

    • @QkelleQ
      @QkelleQ 8 месяцев назад +3

      Idk what u are on about. Been owning everyone on my rogue. Ur also playing the wrong spec btw..

  • @Vorpalwarp
    @Vorpalwarp 8 месяцев назад +22

    One big thing here is that it looks like youre still using Tailspike mainhand just based on your weapon poison buff icons, which is a big reason as to why your abilities are hitting like wet noodles.
    It also seems like you're using Deadly Brew + Envenom + Shadowstrike and frankly that's just not the build you want to run in PvP. Slaughter from the Shadows + Between the Eyes + Shadowstrike will give you significantly more burst potential with a backstab build, Quick Draw + Between the Eyes + Shadowstrike will give you an overwhelmingly oppressive & mobile utility build, and Quick Draw + Between the eyes + Saber Slash will give you a much stronger duelist build for when you get a strong Mainhand weapon.
    I don't even have a ton of BFD gear on my UD rogue, and my backstabs are critting for about 220 damage in WSG and around 300 in open world, so I'd recommend trying out different set ups and gear combinations before throwing your hands up and saying that its the state of the game that is the problem. Much love and hopefully I'll see you on the battlefield and we can have ourselves a good 1v1 :)

    • @jtwatson03
      @jtwatson03 8 месяцев назад

      This guy's correct but you'll still never be able to 1v1 a tank shaman. Upgrading your weps will make your noodles slightly more al dente, though noodles none the less.

    • @raicyk
      @raicyk 8 месяцев назад

      @@jtwatson03With the duelist build i've managed to 1vs1 tank shamans. But you still almost always lose. it's the only matchup i lose though I shred anyone else

  • @rick9705
    @rick9705 8 месяцев назад +28

    So is it only good if Rogue dominates all 1v1s?

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад +1

      when did i say that?

  • @challengingshout
    @challengingshout 8 месяцев назад +35

    I am in love with this. Rogue main not being able to delete people in two seconds just because you engaged first. Sweet sweet tears.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад +1

      when has a rogue been able to kill someone in 2 seconds?

    • @amelio5720
      @amelio5720 8 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@thugwaffle_ Most clothies die within seconds in vanilla within the stunlock window. Big crits and they are gone before they can fight back, that's a fact without resilience. Alot of people play rogue because it's easy as their opponent often doesn't have the chance to fight back, if you're about to lose a 1v1 as a rogue you just blind, sprint and stealth.

    • @challengingshout
      @challengingshout 8 месяцев назад

      @@thugwaffle_ oh my poor baby ruclips.net/video/k1t0A1cqGcw/видео.htmlsi=2SFD4zty9Jfw0k19

    • @Turner6277
      @Turner6277 8 месяцев назад +1

      I mean its kinda the class right? glass cannon. I surpose you would prefer if everyone just played warriors insted?

    • @challengingshout
      @challengingshout 8 месяцев назад

      @@Turner6277 You're right, game balance in wow should be such that a rogue can kill you in two seconds as a tank class (as this SoD shammy is). Except no that would be stupid.

  • @lameo___
    @lameo___ 8 месяцев назад +6

    1.) that's a tank
    2.) that's also a tank with deviate delight on
    3.) that's a tank and a disc priest
    have u considered attacking non-tanks and playing like an actual rogue instead of w/e the fuck broken class they were in og classic

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      have you considered this is in wsg, and we need to kill the flag carries i.e the tanks? what kind of response is this? They're just complete stat checkers atm

    • @MrMagicMert
      @MrMagicMert 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@thugwaffle3167 bro you are using tailspike... you didn't even do the bare minimum and get your pvp dagger or shard.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      "bro" I was using flesh piercer a lvl 24 2.0 speed dagger@@MrMagicMert

  • @valaquenta220
    @valaquenta220 8 месяцев назад +7

    Rogues not being able to one shot people like in classic and crying about it on the internet is like a real gourmet recipe to me xD.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      when did i say i wanted to 1 shot people, please show me

  • @Nerzhus
    @Nerzhus 8 месяцев назад +6

    Mad that rogue is not ez 1v1s?

  • @pedropierre9594
    @pedropierre9594 8 месяцев назад +15

    Skill issue

  • @TheMikael666
    @TheMikael666 8 месяцев назад +1

    i can 100% confirm that you dont know wtf u doing, good rogues can still do good in pvp

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      i never said rogues were not good or can't do good? again, another person completely missing the point

    • @MrMagicMert
      @MrMagicMert 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@thugwaffle_ What is your point exactly then?

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      that a lot of classes have been dumbed down with the addition of some of these overloaded runes. Casters no longer having to cast, hunter pets solo'ing people etc making it a lot more forgiving and reducing the skill cap. Like i said, I appreciate it's lvl 25, but I still believe a lot of the runes are overloaded and way too strong and as a result dumbing down pvp. www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/18lyt28/flat_25_dmg_reduction_in_wsg_instead_of_the_5_dmg/

  • @thenightman1043
    @thenightman1043 8 месяцев назад

    You’re missing the ancient rune of Scroobles. If you head up the road and reach the bent tree, underneath the stump is a piccolo and once you play the tune, out comes a talking goat who gives you the rune in exchange for a sandwich. The rune let’s you skip in line for gas at Costco, it’s amazing

  • @speedyturtle1991
    @speedyturtle1991 8 месяцев назад +3

    damn a rogue not one shotting people, I like it

    • @speedyturtle1991
      @speedyturtle1991 8 месяцев назад

      Rogues have had their time in the spotlight in wow for years, it may not be like that right now, but it will be back again soon, no doubt

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      when were rogues ever 1 shotting people before? apart from an extremally undergeared cloth user?

    • @Huckle777
      @Huckle777 8 месяцев назад

      This is literally what people that have never pvp'd think. In reality the kings of pvp in classic is warlock/shadow priest. Even a good mage consistently can beat a rogue.@@speedyturtle1991

  • @everynamealreadytake
    @everynamealreadytake 8 месяцев назад +1

    So what im taking from this video is basicly : WAAAAH I CANT 1SHOT PPL ANYMORE WAAAH"

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      when did i say i waned to 1 shot?

  • @sqwippysquishy5287
    @sqwippysquishy5287 8 месяцев назад

    This was before the 25% damage nerf too isn’t it 😂😂

  • @TwoBaze
    @TwoBaze 8 месяцев назад +2

    my man does less dmg with autos than my priest homonuclus

  • @logariustepes1399
    @logariustepes1399 8 месяцев назад

    Majority of these comments are embarrassing. Just shows how many of you aren’t even average at pvp mechanically or game knowledge.
    The game has a flaw and it’s evident with the damage reduction they added in WSG on top of a silly resilience like helm.
    Not even mentioning some of the over-tuned runes.
    Yes, the game isn’t balanced around 25. That doesn’t excuse design choices that can be adjusted.
    None of them have even bothered to reply to the OP. Clearly l2p issue from rogue trauma.
    What class won the last classic tournament btw?

  • @Ascendedfaith
    @Ascendedfaith 8 месяцев назад +1

    Why are you whining? Because he's fighting back? He was at like 5% health and 0% mana after that fight (first one). Sure it's slow but you're literally trying to nuke down tanks. It's the first level segment of SoD as well. I'm sure you'll be able to 100 -> 0 people without gear as a rogue just like in normal classic at 60. Don't ya worry about that.
    I'm a rogue main as well but this whining is pathetic. Please.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      I'm complaining about the braindead gameplay that is shaman tanks and warlocks, that just stack check you and kill you with instant cast abilities?

    • @Ascendedfaith
      @Ascendedfaith 8 месяцев назад

      It's level 25. It's always been like this regardless of the new rune system or not. Some classes scale later than others, and it'll even out more at later levels. I mean most classes have like 2 buttons to press so of course it'll be braindead.
      And it's still "classic". Skill was never part of the equation.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      ok, so show me 1 warrior that was as tanky as that in classic at lvl 25

  • @MrMagicMert
    @MrMagicMert 8 месяцев назад +1

    You are playing a terrible build and are literally using a green quality tail spike in your main hand...
    It really is a skill issue here bud, Other clases were brought up to scratch and we cant just kill them in a single kidney shot by spamming sinister strikes.
    Now the game requires both skill and effort from rogues.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      it's flesh piercer , a 2.0 speed dagger lvl 24 and my build is "optimal" for tanks? Deadly brew is bis vs tanks

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/_IzaO5B0Fh4/видео.html skill like this or what

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      bud

  • @slamspam
    @slamspam 8 месяцев назад

    only took 35 sec of fighting for that lock to remember to push Haunt. insane gamesense move, thats surely going Jeilyn 1

  • @elevatormusicirelia9043
    @elevatormusicirelia9043 8 месяцев назад

    The real issue is Shaman, balance dru and the rest of the old meme specs are now overpowered beyond belief. Shaman can beat a warrior 1v1 just meleeling.

  • @nataliep6385
    @nataliep6385 8 месяцев назад

    hi waffleman

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад +1

      classicauradurations and then tick "full aura replacement" in options > addons

  • @teddypicker8799
    @teddypicker8799 8 месяцев назад

    I think 40 bracket will be a lot better. I love wsg and I'm enjoying playing ret pala for the first time but disc priests are just too op right now

  • @copsfoundme
    @copsfoundme 8 месяцев назад

    THE TEARS xDDDD
    love it

  • @hobodiaries
    @hobodiaries 8 месяцев назад +1

    idk what you're doing wrong but its actually disgusting right now how good rogues are

    • @Me0wish
      @Me0wish 8 месяцев назад +4

      Hes not doing anything wrong. Hes still soloing the "op" enemies hes fighting. Just the normal rogue crying when they cant 1 tap people

  • @robbytherob
    @robbytherob 8 месяцев назад +1

    You’re always going to deal less damage to any class with a shield. It’s a class based game. Rogues were meant to assassinate weaker targets not strong targets. Heavily defensed targets should be taken down with dots.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад +1

      hence why i have 5 stack deadly and 5 cp rupture? Also envenom should go through armour as it's nature dmg, but it does less than 100 dmg

    • @TorryVibes
      @TorryVibes 8 месяцев назад

      @@thugwaffle_ always go for at least 1 expose shield against someone with a shield trust me that next blow will be significant

  • @Zachsy1
    @Zachsy1 8 месяцев назад

    Seems like you are a bit under geared and you are fighting tanks with a lot of gear. The new drain life mechanic is broken I agree, and tank shaman is strong but can def be outplayed. Gear outskills skill itself most of the time at low levels, 40 will be better. Enjoy the best version of wow that is currently out

  • @axelpio9446
    @axelpio9446 8 месяцев назад

    what is your offhand btw? maybe u need better weapons

  • @xSadalx
    @xSadalx 8 месяцев назад

    You. Are. Only. Level. 25.
    Grab a napkin and wipe the tears away.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      what does the level have to do with overloaded runes

    • @xSadalx
      @xSadalx 8 месяцев назад

      @@thugwaffle_ It means the game is not balanced around level 25. Game is not balanced around you keyboard turning and dying as you try to run down aff locks out of stealth.
      Thats just bad play.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      where's the keyboard turning

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      ok, so we just view sod through rose tinted goggles and accept that all classes are now dumbed down and overtuned. Got it

    • @xSadalx
      @xSadalx 8 месяцев назад

      @@thugwaffle_ Dude... it is level 25. It is not meant to be balanced. Why is that so hard to grasp.
      You want level 60 abilities, 35 levels early. Your bad play and bad decision making skills in PvP are no reason for any changes. Stop thinking that phase 1 at level 25 is a completed game.

  • @jstarproductions7335
    @jstarproductions7335 8 месяцев назад

    How is this the worst? Just because you cannot 1 shot tanks or perma cc them? You gotta pick your battles... that's what stealth is for. Man, I love clapping rogues on my tank shaman

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      i'm not asking to 1 shot tanks? and this is wsg, you don't just get to pick a fight if you want to play for objs and win, you need to kill the flag carriers, aka shaman tanks? you said it yourself, you clap rogues as a tank shaman because the runes are overloaded

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      mate, deadly brew is bis vs tanks and i'm using flesh piercer a 2.0 speed dagger. If i was to use the build you recommended, i would've done even worse just spamming backstab

  • @Sploodleification
    @Sploodleification 8 месяцев назад

    Not an expansion, though?

  • @2much4skin
    @2much4skin 8 месяцев назад

    why go rogue on SOD? like why?

  • @seijer7078
    @seijer7078 8 месяцев назад

    Lmao what are this comments. How to distinguish a good player from a bad one? A bad one says "Rogues dominated in 1v1 in vanilla" if someone says that, you can be sure that this is a completely ignorant pve potato who has no clue about vanilla pvp who was constantly overrided by rogues cuz in vanilla rogues are really op... against noobs " Ehhhhhhhhh, ohhh I got attacked by a rogue... ehhhhhh *loading screen* whaaaaaaaaat? I think it's time to use my 100000 seconds cast... ehhhhhh... oh nvm I have died 30 seconds ago, rogues are so op!

    • @mekz22
      @mekz22 8 месяцев назад

      The most sane Classic PvPer

  • @HazardPay35
    @HazardPay35 8 месяцев назад

    Warriors are fucking abysmal compared to this, at least you get counterplay, i just spam heroic strike and raging blow and sometimes ill fear. cant interrupt with shield in time cause of the global gcd from it

  • @rogumann838
    @rogumann838 8 месяцев назад

    Its not an expansion, but sure.

  • @rim0710
    @rim0710 8 месяцев назад

    try not to cry challenge (FAILED)

  • @pedrodrtts9828
    @pedrodrtts9828 8 месяцев назад

    mutilate build? or backstab?

  • @danny-9988
    @danny-9988 6 месяцев назад

    stopped playing this shit and went back to era

  • @kieran1484
    @kieran1484 8 месяцев назад +1

    haha rogue tears wtf man bro wtf wet noodles bro .. SOD HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT .. hahahahaha

  • @JH-fd9xt
    @JH-fd9xt 8 месяцев назад

    Oh no the rogue cant 2 hit someone the game is broken lol. Its lvl 25, they have been making adjustments to obvs broken stuff. Your first fight was vs a literal tank spec shaman you took a fight you couldnt win. Rogues prey on the weak and you targeted a thicc player thats you man.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      when did i say that i want to 2 hit? rogues have never been able to 2 shot?

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      people keep talking about tanks, show me 1 protection warrior that is that tanky at lvl 25 please

  • @unbutterablesenpai
    @unbutterablesenpai 8 месяцев назад

    Man's fight a shaman tank he's gunna lose

    • @MrMagicMert
      @MrMagicMert 8 месяцев назад

      Shaman tank with the WSG head piece. This man is using bloody goggles and what looks like tail spike lol. Its like rolling up with white daggers and being surprised you can't beat someone in full raid gear.

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      flesh piercer 2.0 speed dagger lvl 24

  • @daddywrath
    @daddywrath 8 месяцев назад

    Rogue cries that they aren’t OP in PvP anymore

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      completely missed the point of the vid and clearly didn't read what i wrote

  • @user-yc1nq1vk4z
    @user-yc1nq1vk4z 8 месяцев назад

    dog weapons lead to dog dmg

  • @100plusRG
    @100plusRG 8 месяцев назад

    So many butthurt pve andys that have been ganked by rogues in here. Every classic pvp enthusiast is well aware rogue arent at the top of the food chain and in SoD they are pretty much at the bootom. If you still die anlot to rogues… you got some soul searching to do

  • @Sean-db1gx
    @Sean-db1gx 8 месяцев назад

    And it's only going to get worse.

  • @Terlos1
    @Terlos1 8 месяцев назад

    the only worst contender is you at all yt streamers xD. You loose against a shaman as Rpgoe in the beginning of the Game, yes it is not the Endgame... and thats the reason why the pvp is bad ? yes, classic pvp is different, there are onehits and classes they cant win against others, but hey, dont play it. i bet you thought rogue is the best in classic so you play one and dominate all...

  • @RsTwins100
    @RsTwins100 8 месяцев назад

    i love seeing pvp players complaining and expecting good pvp experiences

  • @jamesb7924
    @jamesb7924 8 месяцев назад

    This is definitely a case of you having terrible weapons. My warlock hits higher than you

  • @ilarirantala7402
    @ilarirantala7402 8 месяцев назад +1

    Git gud

  • @gerardoduran4240
    @gerardoduran4240 8 месяцев назад

    keep croiyin mate

  • @dozir7272
    @dozir7272 8 месяцев назад +1

    Other rogues seem to do a lot more damage than this but I totally get what you mean, too many instant class spells for casters that any idiot can play them and do well. Hopefully you enjoy it more at 40 with new spells

    • @9ntice
      @9ntice 8 месяцев назад

      shaman tanks are op

  • @jcurt03
    @jcurt03 8 месяцев назад

    Sorry man you're just bad... and what do you mean you don't see it getting any better? 80% of the rogue's toolkit is missing right now and will open up next phase. Cheap Shot, Kidney Shot, Blind, Prep, etc. Not to mention Gutrippers if you want to buy them at 40 lol. The sky aint falling you just have to pick better targets than a tank shaman, tank lock and affli lock.

  • @MarkTheSWE
    @MarkTheSWE 8 месяцев назад

    Premade issue

  • @pvpherthen2981
    @pvpherthen2981 8 месяцев назад

    When was SoD ever advertised as having a competitive PvP scene? I'm a massive WoW PvPer and play only arena and PvP, but SoD was always just a bit of messing around at a weird new level cap. It was never meant to be a balanced PvP experience. Classic in general was never a balanced PvP experience. It's like going to play Valorant and complaining about there being a lack of PvE content. It's just a bit of fun to go around exploring new things and new ways to play. Hence season of DISCOVERY.

    • @TorryVibes
      @TorryVibes 8 месяцев назад

      Huh ? Half of SoD is Faction based PvP but at the end of the Day SoD is just a beta for wow plus this just a testing phase to see what works and how everyone responds,

    • @pvpherthen2981
      @pvpherthen2981 8 месяцев назад +1

      Ashenvale and WSG is certainly not half of SoD. They're grind fests for when you've completed all other content. SoD is 99% leveling, discovering new abilities, and exploring the new raid. How can you expect them to balance PvP when they have 0 data to go off. They didn't even have an open beta. Balanced PvP is clearly not the focus with SoD.@@TorryVibes

    • @TorryVibes
      @TorryVibes 8 месяцев назад

      i mean technically this is the open beta for wow plus but def see your point @@pvpherthen2981

  • @banzaipersonal
    @banzaipersonal 8 месяцев назад

    rogue copeage, love it

  • @Xylexis95
    @Xylexis95 8 месяцев назад

    Avg retail pvper

    • @thugwaffle_
      @thugwaffle_  8 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/pBfpfdcQips/видео.html educate yourself mate

  • @o0TraceuR0o
    @o0TraceuR0o 8 месяцев назад

    get trashed on lol

  • @kangthedecafinator6903
    @kangthedecafinator6903 8 месяцев назад

    Shammy tank and lock tanks do not care about your tiny stabbies. choose a softer target.

  • @Brotection_
    @Brotection_ 8 месяцев назад +1

    If you want engaging mmo pvp go play Gw2. SoD is kinda just made for the sake of blizzard experimenting with what will work for classic+ in the future and what won't.

  • @ozzyrundafunk
    @ozzyrundafunk 8 месяцев назад

    Pick your fights better.