@@Izuna_Elenore i did that but it's still not fast enough... what else can I do? I went to auto zone and got those peal-and-stick hood vents, think they'll add any HP?
@@dchubworldsharenetwork actually, it does change. Most people would simply go for the gear marked "1", instead of "L". That would cause the gearbox to wear faster if the gear marked "1" was actually the second gear instead of being the gear to be used when first moving the car forward from a complete stop.
Prior to the 60s, that "L" was truly an extra low, high torque gear. For normal driving, only the 1, 2, and 3 were used. Anytime the truck was started forward without a heavy load, it was started in "1" gear.
I didn't realize that Granny Gear was used as late as 1970. We used it on the farm when loading hay or feeding cattle in the pasture. Even today, semi truck tractors have a range of granny gears, usually the first 2 or 3 speeds that a driver can choose to use when starting from a dead stop. They might even start up in 4th gear when bob-tailing and depending on the speed ranges of the transmission.
The reason it doesnt have a number is because you didnt have to start in 1/low and can go straight to 2nd gear. They labeled it LOW so people would realizee you didnt need to start in LOW. This is not a secret and this entire video is debunked.
The SM 420 " gear shift nob " is 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. The SM 465 is low, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Both are 2-1/2 ton rated transmissions. I always wondered why they did that. SM 420 is 7.05 to one in first gear. The SM 465 is 6.58.to one. And we call them granny gears also. I've had both transmissions.
You forgot the difference in rear gear ratio. Transmissions marked low are for trucks with numerically higher rear gear ratios. You don’t use first to take off normally with lower gears, you use the second gear in the transmission . In this case it’s better to mark 1st as low to avoid the vehicle from bucking and having to shift instantly.
I still remember my first truck with the "Granny four speed". The seat was stuck all the way back, plus I wasn't very tall at 16 to begin with. So needless to say driving at night was very interesting, it looked like I was trying to stomp on a hornet when trying to reach the dimmer switch in time so I didn't blind oncoming traffic. Oh man I sure do miss the good Ole days and I miss my Grandparents most of all. I should have listened a little better back then when my elders told me I better cherish these days because they will be gone in the blink of an eye. Oh how right they were, I truly miss those days and oh how I wish I would have spent more time living in the moment!!
@@user-78dodge 2nd according to him, or 1st according to GM was the proper start gear in these. Top speed of that low gear is maybe 4mph and in fact was for taking off with a load
I had a few pickups with the bull low and all it meant is you can use it as a 3 speed when running empty. It was a very high gear and not needed all the time as these trucks were sold as a tough work truck, which they were.
My brother has a 91 c1500 ecsb with 3.08 rear gears and nv3500 (5speed) and you don't need first gear in it either and it is a nv3500/getrag290 and not a nv4500 witch in earlier years is a low first gear.
That gear feels like a low gear regardless of the rear end gear, it's nearly unusable. I have one in my squarebody, and it is the least satisfying manual I've ever operated.
I daily drive a 7500lb truck that I believe has an SM465 in it. The L gear is unsynchronized so the only way to shift into it is to be at a stop with the clutch in for a few seconds. I used L for starting on a very steep hill but 1 for normal driving. I use the L gear once in a month maybe.
On those GM transmissions. Wasn’t it also L was a different gear ratio than the other GM 1 gear? Also L,1,2,3 and R had no direct gear then the other GM 1,2,3,4 and R with a direct gear in 4th as a 1.1 ratio? I never got a clean answer.
Nope all 465s had the exact same ratios in every single transmission they built.Also 4 was always direct drive.I don't know where people get these ideas.
@@sashimiturtle GM did use the nv833 which was a 2wd 4spd with 4th being an overdrive gear. Same scenario, people want to call it a 3spd with overdrive. It's a 4spd. It has 4 forward gears.
@@ripnandtearing i think a lot of that "3 speed with overdrive" came from dealers and manufacturers back in the day. 3 speed was the norm and 3rd was direct drive. When overdrive transmissions started coming out that really wanted to stress that their transmission had an overdrive gear, so they said it was like your old 3 speed, but with an overdrive gear.
I did the same thing with 86 C10. 1st gear was useless unless I had some weight in the bed, which was usually when it snowed and I shoveled it into the bed for extra weight.
I had a 87 K5 with that trans. They were not a regular 4-speed transmission like the video suggests. The SM465 was geared like a 3-speed 1-3 with a low gear of 6.55 (reverse was only 6.09). You could not start in low and run through the gears like a 4-speed. If you see a SM465 with a 1-4 ball, The handle has been switched.
Yessir. Ol'Dad had a 1975 and a 1983 K5 blazer, plow trucks, 3 speed with granny gear, pretty sure the NP245 or 205(?) Transfer case. Sadly the Wisconsin rustbelt claimed both vehicles. Not before I got a chance to chain up to a massive oak tree stump about 20ft tall and man(well, young man, ha) the trucks vehicular control whilst dad went full send on a McCollough 26" bar chainsaw. My only instruction was to guarantee i kept steady pull on the stump away from the old man. Then start rowing gears and schredding drivelive. 4lo, granny gear and then the damn stump was coming right for me, I absolutelt HAD to snatch 2nd and stand on it. *time to do some sketchy shizz, Hope I get away with it... Think my pants are full of shit...glad I got away with it* Ah, the bond of a father and son realizing aint neither of ya qualified 100% for the task, but the task doesn't seem THAT sketchy, I think we got this. Lol
@@threadtapwhisperer5136 you're not supposed to rip the tree down. You're supposed to keep just enough pressure to keep it from falling on your sawman. You don't want to see that rope snap. The tension released can cause the tree to turn and fall backwards.
Also had this in a Blazer. 1st is an extremely low gear. Never really used it unless I was taking off in the middle of a steep hill way up in the mountains.
Those SM465s are great, i got one in my 83 C20, L 1 2 3, but you could start those trucks in 2nd (3rd) gear. There was no stopping that gearbox, or it from eating all your gas in botb tanks.
Yup the first gear (low) ratio on the sm465 is 6.55:1 which is very low, making it a granny gear. Normally you just start in 2nd unless towing of course.
I had an 87 f150. 1st gear was "granny low" then you had 2,3,4. Trust me, unless you were trying to pull the world you didn't need to use it. I could literally let out the clutch with no throttle and it would lurch forward and move about 5mph.
A “L” means your diff has a higher ratio than needed to start off in “L” during normal operation. That’s why they would label them different based on the diff used
I was thinking the same thing. You can take that transmission case and change the gear ratios and completely change the outcome. So what he's saying can be easily debunk. On most vehicles the rear end is given but I've never seen the transmission given so unless you tear it down, there's no way he could know if they have the same gearing. I had a 81 Ford with granny first, a friend bought a new 82, on paper everything same, but first gears totally different.
So, basically you would have to start the older model in 2 during normal operations and the later numbers just indicate a different usage of the gearbox. There are many trucks that you start in the second or even third gear depending on operations and model. Would be logical to call the starting gear 1.
The low means it has a lower ratio than the standard first gear on the other four speed. Not only did you not need it without a load, you didn't want to use it unless you were loaded because you would top it out and have to go to the real first gear before you got your foot off of the pedal. At least that's the way every granny gear I ever drove was.
It was no attempt to fool anyone into thinking they had something special. It was because normal operation usually started out in 2nd and first or low only used for difficult take offs. Whether you think of it as 1st, low or Granny, it really depends on rear end ratios.
A Low gear SM465 has a different first gear ratio than a standard SM465. It often also had a lower rear and/or front differential gear ratio as well making it an even lower final drive gear. The L was called the granny gear by many and it didn't need to be used of you weren't hauling or towing a load. Also handy for soft sand in 4x4.
All sm465 had the same first ratio. 6.55:1. The only variants of this unit were input shafts with 10 or 31 spline, and several different output shafts.
Also, i would debate that a gear that low is good for soft sand in 4x4 or otherwise. Hard to get enough speed or wheelspeed for soft sand in that low of a gear.
I remember back in the day when the shifter (on fords) had an 'L,' that was the creeper gear with no synchros. You had to stop to put it in low gear and top speed was between 4to8 mph and 2nd gear was like a normal 1st gear. If it had a 1 for 1st gear then it was synchro'd so you could down and upshift into the gear like normal and hit speeds of 25 to 40 mph before you had to shift.
This is so wrong it’s ridiculous. Most ALL of Fords Four speeds were marked as 1234 like this even the T18’s with the Non Synchronized first gear. The T19 was fully synchronized but many of them still had a very low first gear so they were driven much the same as the granny gear/bulldog transmissions.
You did not need to stop to put it in that gear, you needed to let the clutch out and rev the engine to match the speed to go to that gear while moving if you wanted to. Thats how a semi truck transmission is in every gear.
@@poellot no, with these old four speeds you Have to stop, then put it in first gear. You should always come to a stop before shifting into your takeoff gear anyway but with these old four speeds you generally always takeoff in 2nd gear and first gear is Not Synchronized and is geared so low that coming to a stop before shifting is damn near the only way to do it. These aren’t Heavy duty Semi Truck transmissions, they’ve smaller parts are are built much tighter than a heavy duty truck trans and are designed to be shifted using the clutch.
1966 F100 Camper Special Stick had unsyncro'd Walking Granny Low & Dash pull throttle control that farmers used . The unpiloted truck would follow row furrow @ 1-3 mph while been loaded or unloaded in the field. 3.50 Dana 60 sure grip axle.
I just bought a 92 Z71 Silverado auto trans I wish it was manual transmission. But it's perfect, hardly any rust amazing shape for 31 years old. Looks exactly like the blue interior in this vid
To my knowledge 1st was always 6:55:1 please let me know what years that was different I'm honestly asking not tring to attack you just asking I would really like to know. Thanks for watching 👍
That's because 3rd gear was basically 4th direct I have the exact same transmission in my 1991 Chevy K 2500 With 373 gears front and rear with an NP241 stock
All SM465's had the same gear ratios: 1st(L) 6.55:1 2nd 3.58:1 3rd 1.7:1 4th 1.1:1 Reverse 6.09:1 There was the similar SM420 trandmission, which had slightly different ratios, maybe you were thinking of that?
@Shaun Faust please stop kid, you sound like an idiot. 1) In 73 gm switched from 1st gear to "low" as a marking gimmick because the first gear was useless during normal drive and not because of the "transfer case" like you so ignorantly claimed. 2) the 208 was introduced in 81 in k5, burds, k10, k20 platforms, the k30 still used the 205. 3) the sm420 had a lower first gear and lower total crawl ratio, they were considered a 4 speed.
Rock solid transmissions. Awesome for crawling. The sm420 was a little shorter in size. Biggest common problem was 2nd gear or 3rd if it didn’t say low would pop out do to warn synchros. The fix was a torque lock. The synchros we’re back cut slightly so the more you stomp the gas the more it holds the gear. This upgrade requires a complete tear down and rebuild. Very well worth it if you plan on crawling. Having a truck that can idle over curbs is impressive.
One thing that cannot be argued about is the sm 465s ability to make 185 hp seem like it's 300+ , we just had a 78 4x4 shorty with 35s that hustled like a hot rod. Besides the football field length throws between gears its an awesome transmission
That was such a great transmission. I have an 87 F350 with a Borg Warner T19. The top loader 4 speeds were perfect for heavy haulers until everyone wanted to drive above 70mph. I also run 50 weight motor oil in them.
I swapped a 465+205 in my k5 and it made that thing a blast to drive, I liked putting in low sometimes and just walking beside it while it just creeps forward
And that gear is huge! I've rebuilt a few that came from UPS trucks, really reliable. Tricky to take the lid off I'll keep that secret back and see who says what!
I honestly can't remember how I did it but I remember clearly removing the last bolt and it moving alot but not out😆 I'm thinking I might have removed the shifter or something. Only did it once, but before everything was on a RUclips video!
@@richardswancer4103 alright, months now and no one played, it's gotta be half way into reverse. Look through the lever hole, the front of the reverse fork gate will line up with the back of the 3/4 gate. When you put it back together, line up the back of the reverse idler with the back of the either the second speed gear when in neutral, or it's the first speed/ reverse gear. Been a really long time and they aren't on the road any more!
Final drive also matters. Even if it's the same transmission, a very low final drive could make first gear useless except when you're hauling heavy loads. It went indicate that most people should start in the transmission's second gear for normal acceleration.
Ford done the same thing grandparents had an f150 with 4+r but the dealership showed them the year earlier of the same model truck that had L 234 + reverse but the truck they bought had 1234+r basically the salesman threw ford under the bus on that. He also told them unless they was towing they could start in 2nd because how low 1st gear was. Which was true. The truck took off like normal in 2nd.
It was in 80's not exactly sure on the year I was a little kid.but I remember grampa having I think was a 100 but it was a 70's model he didn't have that truck when they moved back to Florida in the early 80's
I put a 3 speed toploader into a 1974 Ford LTD. It's a big car with a 2.99 first and a 2.75 rear end. Boy how I sure wish I had that granny low! This thing is an old dawg but I love it.
Well I know the low in my dad's 77 Chevy square body was a very very low first gear I remember reading the instructions talking about top speed in first gear four-wheel drive.. he won many awards for that truck during the blizzard of 78
Drop my pickup in 1st gear and put the transfer case in low range. Redline the engine and you're doing about 7 mph and at idle 1.3 mph. (Max torque to the ground is 35,680 ft lbs)!
@@psd28 idk because the old school mechanic that was Mentoring me called it a Granny low gear He said she's used for pulling like we have to pull out a stump or something
@@davidaix5771 probably 4 speed then because on the mixer truck I drive there’s 4 low range gears an 4 high range plus low an reverse. They say it’s a ten speed transmission, but on some they got low-low (granny low I guess) an you can flip a switch and get a lower ratio in reverse and in the first four gears. Still a 10 speed, it’s weird shit
You start most proper trucks moving in second unless you're fully loaded on a hill. Marking it low is sensible to discourage peop-le from using it that don't know better & are likely to break their truck.
My dad had the GMC 2 speed rear , vacuum assist - starter button on the floor ... He'd park in high & on a cold morning , take forever to get back into low (hauling wood).
Learned about shifting with 2 vehicles. A 5 soeed geo metro, And a 4 soeed 72 ford. Learning the difference between the 2 vehicles was like the day i realized i could read. Such a valuable lesson.
I am NOT one of those people who claim the old stuff like this "was the best way...blah blah blah"... However, there are some times I miss an old bench seat, an old dirty shifter with a busted boot or a column shifter, two different keys (one for the ignition and one for the locks), and the floor dimmer switch. Takes me back to my younger days.
That was what is called a granny/crawl gear. You could just let the clutch out without giving any gas and truck would move without stalling. It wasn't synchronized but 1st 2nd 3rd were. You'd be lucky to get 5 mph out of it. It did save on clutch wear !
No, first gear isn’t synchronized, second third and fourth are. You can call first gear anything you want but it’s still the first gear in a sequence of four. Why is it so hard for people to count to 4 these days?
@@warrenmcelroy4718 Maybe because people back then realized that the synchronized gears were the common gears to use and like low range on 4x4 the granny gear is for special applications. Unless you came to a complete stop or double clutched you'd grind gears going into low/1st gear. Too keep people from thinking they had to use that gear all the time it's listed separately. It really has zero use unless pulling stumps or hauling something crazy heavy. I had a truck from new back in the 60s with the granny gear and used it when pulling my boat from the water and moving trailer around the property. If it was to be used as you state, it would be synchronized.
@@benkrom2737 nobody who knows how to drive would think they have to always take off in first gear just because it’s marked 1st. And there are a blue million uses for first gear other than pulling stumps, I can’t think of a single time where I ever got in one of my old Fords and didn’t use first gear at least once each time. It was designed as a lower ratio gear than normal and obviously wasn’t designed to be used for just driving around we are all aware of that, that’s obviously why it isn’t synchronized. People aren’t as dumb as you’re making them out to be.
All about the rear differential, the 3 speed with low might be unusable in low gear on the road. The 4 speed might have a lower ratio rear dif and therefor useful on the road
My dad had one of the last of those standard transmission with the Low. We could really only use it to pull out the our fishing boats out of boat landings. Press clutch, put in Low, and release clutch, do not touch gas pedal, and it would walk itself out.
The reason some vehicles have what's called a low gear is because the are instances when the low or first gear is used for jobs that require it to travel at a very low speed. Doing a job that requires that in a higher gear means you'd have to ride the clutch which will burn it up very quickly. For those wondering, I've seen that happen way too often, it's much more common than some would think.
That only happens when the truck is used for actual work. Most trucks are just commuter cars.....grocery getters. I like cars when I am not at work. Trucks are dumb unless you actually use it as a truck.
I have a 94 silverado with a NV4500 5 speed but "1st" is "L" and "5th" is "OD". "L" is some crazy ratio like 6.somethig:1 I only use if I'm towing, otherwise I start out in "1st" gear (the second forward gear position). Both those transmissions are the same but the first forward gear position ratios may not be the same
Actually this should be the legendary Ganny Transmission. The Low gear was a separate gear set from the 4 speed model. Trucks in the 35-3500 category had this option for farm and off-road use. They were prone to breaking the reverse shift fork when assembling them. Builders knew it being a problem would always have the fork on hand for an overhaul and would notch the case to ease assembly. To pull the top shift cover off these you had to put the transmission in reverse hold the lever hard in reverse and use 2 pry bars to pop the top cover off. It was not a marketing scam. The 1/2 ton trucks either had an aluminum case Granny or a Saginaw/Muncie. GM used both top loading SM transmissions and side loaded transmissions. The Granny was the the only transmission available from GM that was both passenger vehicles and commercial medium duty truck. Most all the Medium duty trucks were a Clarke, Rockwell, or International.
was going to say the same thing! it was a loophole. from what I remember, the test for noise pollution was done in 3rd gear which would actually be 4th in this case making the car quieter and more fuel efficient.
It's similar to some tall buildings in the world where "G" is the ground floor and "1" is actually up in the air, where we'd normally call it the 2nd floor.
@@mowgli2071 Yes! That's right. Especially in Las Vegas, no hotel wants to have a 13th floor. Bonus fact: In Chinese speaking lands, they skip all floors ending in 4, so no 14th, 24th, 34th, etc. The reason is the number 4 sound very close to the word "die" or "death" in Chinese.
@@bryang9290 "B" is for basement. Which is some houses is also known as a cellar. I know I'm probably not getting to the street entrance from the basement
How did i learn something i already knew? That's how I feel after watching this. I knew L was basically a 1st gear... but i never thought of it that way before. Thanks man!
@@warrenmcelroy4718 you should say "WoW, I just don't know what to say" Also, I've started driving my automatic like a manual and my car is so much faster now..I go L, 2, OD, then Drive, then I turn off eco mode.... I've won at least 7 races against the kids with the pedal car that run around my neighborhood like their the next Richard Petty.. Really showed them.
Pro tip. The trans has to be half way into reverse to remove the top cover. Most of them the front input shaft is replaceable without complete trans disassembly. There's a notch in the clutch shaft that allows easy removal.
yea maby but by the time the imput gear is bad the rest of the transmission is shot as well. ive rebuilt a truck load of sm465 and np435 and a few 420 as well. all great durable units too.
My '85 had this trans behind the original 350 until recently at nearly 200k it suddenly locked up. Swapped in a '95 NV4500 and now I have an overdrive gear!!
I think the reason is that you could in most case start moving on the 2 gear, the 1st gear was only for situation where the truck was super loaded. So it made sense changing the markings so people would feel weird putting on the Secound gear...
And you know the funny part is, my fathers' truck had the knob labelled L-1-2-3 and he rarely used the L gear choosing to start the truck off in 1. Sure it worked but years later when I inherited the truck, I would start in L and it was so much easier to drive and the clutch was much more forgiving.
A 4-spd has syncros for 1st gear. a 3 speed with a low has no syncros for the low and the gearing is way different. just because the case is the same, it doesn't mean the guts are and that they can be driven the same way.
@@ripnandtearing you're right! sm465's didn't have a synchronized 1st gear. I was wrong about them having different guts. That said, there is no real reason to use the "1st", or low gear, on the street unless you have an extremely heavy load. The first forward gear on a sm465 is a low gear. Calling an unsynchronized 6.55:1 gear anything other than a low is just silly. My '67 C40 has a SM420 with a 7.06:1 "1st".
Drove one of these overloaded from NS to Ottawa. From what I could tell I that granny was bulletproof. But when you’re tired and driving in rush hour traffic, an automatic is preferred
R stands for "race mode" 😎🤓
Never leave Race Mode. Just push past that redline 😎😎
@@crispy9175 if you take the coolant and oil out the total weight of the car will be less and it will go faster
@@Izuna_Elenore i did that but it's still not fast enough... what else can I do? I went to auto zone and got those peal-and-stick hood vents, think they'll add any HP?
If u take out 1 cilinder from your engine, less weight = more speed
What you want to do is when you're at a light with a cop behind you throw it to race Red Line it and when the light turns green dump the clutch
Having "Low" implies to me to skip that and go to 1st gear when not towing a load.
Same
Yes agreed...and I bet the later models probably had different rear diff.options That could have changed the shift points a bit higher also
@@jonathanodell8854 No matter how you look it, L or 1 it's the same. Even if final ratio is different it doesn't change anything....
@@dchubworldsharenetwork actually, it does change. Most people would simply go for the gear marked "1", instead of "L". That would cause the gearbox to wear faster if the gear marked "1" was actually the second gear instead of being the gear to be used when first moving the car forward from a complete stop.
@@lucasbiaggini interestingly on most automatics (ones without tiptronic) L indicates first gear.
Low usually came with a higher number rear end. Doesn't matter if it is the same transmission or not , you have to consider the final gearing
Yes exactly I rarely use low to take off.
😂😂😂dumbest thing I ever heard
Good point!
Someone knows his stuff, yep it all depends on what gear ratio you had, 2.73-3.73 it’s a 1st gear, 3.73-5.14 it’s a low range
I was thinking the same thing
Prior to the 60s, that "L" was truly an extra low, high torque gear. For normal driving, only the 1, 2, and 3 were used. Anytime the truck was started forward without a heavy load, it was started in "1" gear.
That low gear was considered a granny gear because it was lower than a normal first gear.
Exactly. Had that gear box in my 67 gmc 920
I drive a 1970 f250, 4 speed. You start in 2nd gear, 1st gear or granny gear is used to start with a load
I didn't realize that Granny Gear was used as late as 1970. We used it on the farm when loading hay or feeding cattle in the pasture. Even today, semi truck tractors have a range of granny gears, usually the first 2 or 3 speeds that a driver can choose to use when starting from a dead stop. They might even start up in 4th gear when bob-tailing and depending on the speed ranges of the transmission.
And I believe “L” is non-synchro
Gm literally handed customers an L
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That transmission was decent though
Dude that transmission was stout as shit tranny's nowadays can't touch its durability. It was used in everything from 1/2 tons to 2 1/2 ton trucks.
Talk about Ford too....
The reason it doesnt have a number is because you didnt have to start in 1/low and can go straight to 2nd gear.
They labeled it LOW so people would realizee you didnt need to start in LOW.
This is not a secret and this entire video is debunked.
What we call down here a “granny 4 speed”
Came here to say this.
granny low the old folks would say here
Yup.
Yes sir got one right now lol old k2500
I always heard "Granny low 4 speed"
The SM 420 " gear shift nob " is 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. The SM 465 is low, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Both are 2-1/2 ton rated transmissions. I always wondered why they did that. SM 420 is 7.05 to one in first gear. The SM 465 is 6.58.to one. And we call them granny gears also. I've had both transmissions.
You're the first one who's seems to be stating a few actual facts. Congrats and good job!
Thank you.
Thank you... gear ratios matter
You forgot the difference in rear gear ratio. Transmissions marked low are for trucks with numerically higher rear gear ratios.
You don’t use first to take off normally with lower gears, you use the second gear in the transmission . In this case it’s better to mark 1st as low to avoid the vehicle from bucking and having to shift instantly.
Did both trucks have the same rear end gear.
I still remember my first truck with the "Granny four speed". The seat was stuck all the way back, plus I wasn't very tall at 16 to begin with. So needless to say driving at night was very interesting, it looked like I was trying to stomp on a hornet when trying to reach the dimmer switch in time so I didn't blind oncoming traffic. Oh man I sure do miss the good Ole days and I miss my Grandparents most of all. I should have listened a little better back then when my elders told me I better cherish these days because they will be gone in the blink of an eye. Oh how right they were, I truly miss those days and oh how I wish I would have spent more time living in the moment!!
You're not dead yet.
Stop wasting time worrying about the past.
Life isn't over.
Live now!
Remember when is the lowest form of conversation
In the words of your grandparents " you better cherish these days now" because they go even faster.
I can smell the interior of both of those trucks. Ah, the memories.
Smells like getting shit done and beer. Mostly beer.
Both trucks have cracked windshields. Its just law.
Omg, you're right!
Every time I hop in one of those old trucks they’re all exactly the same and the smell just brings back some crazy childhood memories
I was just about to comment this. I can also feel de hard crusty seat fake leather 😅
“You telling me I’ve been starting in 2nd this whole time!?”
2nd place was not all that bad
People tear up there clutch using 2nd as a start
Look at the gear ratio index ... same trans , different rear end gears ...
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@@user-78dodge 2nd according to him, or 1st according to GM was the proper start gear in these. Top speed of that low gear is maybe 4mph and in fact was for taking off with a load
I had a few pickups with the bull low and all it meant is you can use it as a 3 speed when running empty. It was a very high gear and not needed all the time as these trucks were sold as a tough work truck, which they were.
Now everybody wants to pretend they're a "work man"😅
4 in the floor. 3 on the tree. Steel dashboards Those were the days.
Cracks me up... I can smell the inside of that truck in my head. Childhood.
That old man sweat cigarettes and bar smell...haha ..might not EXACTLY describe it but I KNOW what you mean
@Aaron Davis Yes! All that cooked in the sun for years and basted in vinyl.
Mmmmmm. Sweet Cancer.
I love going by an older truck and just smelling for the same reason. My mind floods with memories quicker than the carburetor floods with fuel.
Boffum.🤣🤣🤣
Would feel like a low gear depending on the rear diff ratio
6.5/1
Low
Rear diff gives you a lower final drive ratio.
My brother has a 91 c1500 ecsb with 3.08 rear gears and nv3500 (5speed) and you don't need first gear in it either and it is a nv3500/getrag290 and not a nv4500 witch in earlier years is a low first gear.
That gear feels like a low gear regardless of the rear end gear, it's nearly unusable.
I have one in my squarebody, and it is the least satisfying manual I've ever operated.
It feels like low regardless, due to the ratio in the tranny. Which was 6.55/1
I daily drive a 7500lb truck that I believe has an SM465 in it. The L gear is unsynchronized so the only way to shift into it is to be at a stop with the clutch in for a few seconds.
I used L for starting on a very steep hill but 1 for normal driving. I use the L gear once in a month maybe.
I was happiest using "L" going DOWN a steep grade with a heavy load.
There's 2 different gear sets for that transmission... one was an unsyncronized low gear, the other was a synchronized 1st gear.
On those GM transmissions. Wasn’t it also L was a different gear ratio than the other GM 1 gear?
Also L,1,2,3 and R had no direct gear then the other GM 1,2,3,4 and R with a direct gear in 4th as a 1.1 ratio?
I never got a clean answer.
Nope all 465s had the exact same ratios in every single transmission they built.Also 4 was always direct drive.I don't know where people get these ideas.
@@ripnandtearing must be thinking of the Ford T18/19... never was a GM guy
@@sashimiturtle GM did use the nv833 which was a 2wd 4spd with 4th being an overdrive gear. Same scenario, people want to call it a 3spd with overdrive. It's a 4spd. It has 4 forward gears.
@@ripnandtearing i think a lot of that "3 speed with overdrive" came from dealers and manufacturers back in the day. 3 speed was the norm and 3rd was direct drive. When overdrive transmissions started coming out that really wanted to stress that their transmission had an overdrive gear, so they said it was like your old 3 speed, but with an overdrive gear.
I had a 91 K5 Blazer with this transmission. Basically drove it like a 3 speed manual. Great truck.
I did the same thing with 86 C10. 1st gear was useless unless I had some weight in the bed, which was usually when it snowed and I shoveled it into the bed for extra weight.
I had a 87 K5 with that trans. They were not a regular 4-speed transmission like the video suggests. The SM465 was geared like a 3-speed 1-3 with a low gear of 6.55 (reverse was only 6.09). You could not start in low and run through the gears like a 4-speed. If you see a SM465 with a 1-4 ball, The handle has been switched.
@@peterkennedy7219why did you want to ADD weight? To help you get traction in the snow?
@@jacksoncrynick1467 that and if we got lots of snow, I didn't have anywhere to shovel the snow onto because I have a small front yard.
We always called it a granny low 4 speed transmission.
Yessir. Ol'Dad had a 1975 and a 1983 K5 blazer, plow trucks, 3 speed with granny gear, pretty sure the NP245 or 205(?) Transfer case.
Sadly the Wisconsin rustbelt claimed both vehicles. Not before I got a chance to chain up to a massive oak tree stump about 20ft tall and man(well, young man, ha) the trucks vehicular control whilst dad went full send on a McCollough 26" bar chainsaw.
My only instruction was to guarantee i kept steady pull on the stump away from the old man.
Then start rowing gears and schredding drivelive.
4lo, granny gear and then the damn stump was coming right for me, I absolutelt HAD to snatch 2nd and stand on it.
*time to do some sketchy shizz, Hope I get away with it... Think my pants are full of shit...glad I got away with it*
Ah, the bond of a father and son realizing aint neither of ya qualified 100% for the task, but the task doesn't seem THAT sketchy, I think we got this.
Lol
@@threadtapwhisperer5136 you're not supposed to rip the tree down. You're supposed to keep just enough pressure to keep it from falling on your sawman.
You don't want to see that rope snap. The tension released can cause the tree to turn and fall backwards.
We called it “Compound” and we had a 4:11 rear end I believe in Chevy C10.
Ol Granny 4 speed, drive one daily in my 87 Chevy
We always called the 4 speed Bulldog transmissions.
Also had this in a Blazer. 1st is an extremely low gear. Never really used it unless I was taking off in the middle of a steep hill way up in the mountains.
Those SM465s are great, i got one in my 83 C20, L 1 2 3, but you could start those trucks in 2nd (3rd) gear. There was no stopping that gearbox, or it from eating all your gas in botb tanks.
I 2nd this. My 86 3/4 ton silverado gets 7mpg.
@@stonecoldreznov2780 C or K series?
@@zo9238 K20 4.10s with a 5.7 350 It's slow but I love to drive it.
@@stonecoldreznov2780 C20 High Sierra, 4spd granny low, 3.73 rear gear camper special. Light bronze metallic
@@stonecoldreznov2780 I got a 350 as well, and yeah it's slow as fuck but will pull anything
There is such a thing as a granny low, I've had 4-speed hot rods, 1st gear wasn't as low as in a truck
Yup the first gear (low) ratio on the sm465 is 6.55:1 which is very low, making it a granny gear. Normally you just start in 2nd unless towing of course.
T-18 / T18A had it on a Jeep CJ, normally drove 2, 3, 4.
But really if it is a forward gear it is always 1 st gear whether low or not. It's a 4 speed.
How it "feels" has A LOT to do with the Rear Diff Ratio as well.....
I had an 87 f150. 1st gear was "granny low" then you had 2,3,4. Trust me, unless you were trying to pull the world you didn't need to use it. I could literally let out the clutch with no throttle and it would lurch forward and move about 5mph.
A “L” means your diff has a higher ratio than needed to start off in “L” during normal operation. That’s why they would label them different based on the diff used
It's amazing how many people can't understand that very simple concept.
That’s what i was thinking about
Rear gear ratio makes all the difference. Seems logic losses here.
I was thinking the same thing. You can take that transmission case and change the gear ratios and completely change the outcome. So what he's saying can be easily debunk. On most vehicles the rear end is given but I've never seen the transmission given so unless you tear it down, there's no way he could know if they have the same gearing. I had a 81 Ford with granny first, a friend bought a new 82, on paper everything same, but first gears totally different.
So, basically you would have to start the older model in 2 during normal operations and the later numbers just indicate a different usage of the gearbox. There are many trucks that you start in the second or even third gear depending on operations and model. Would be logical to call the starting gear 1.
The low means it has a lower ratio than the standard first gear on the other four speed. Not only did you not need it without a load, you didn't want to use it unless you were loaded because you would top it out and have to go to the real first gear before you got your foot off of the pedal. At least that's the way every granny gear I ever drove was.
It was no attempt to fool anyone into thinking they had something special. It was because normal operation usually started out in 2nd and first or low only used for difficult take offs. Whether you think of it as 1st, low or Granny, it really depends on rear end ratios.
A Low gear SM465 has a different first gear ratio than a standard SM465. It often also had a lower rear and/or front differential gear ratio as well making it an even lower final drive gear. The L was called the granny gear by many and it didn't need to be used of you weren't hauling or towing a load. Also handy for soft sand in 4x4.
All sm465 had the same first ratio. 6.55:1. The only variants of this unit were input shafts with 10 or 31 spline, and several different output shafts.
Also, i would debate that a gear that low is good for soft sand in 4x4 or otherwise. Hard to get enough speed or wheelspeed for soft sand in that low of a gear.
Probably the same transmission, maybe just a different ratio in the Diff
“A first gear by any other name is just as low.”
Saved me some typing
When I use my “1” or “L” on my 69 I can only reach 5 to 6 MPH. So I start off in “2” 99.9999 % of the time.
15 mph in mine is redline
2nd matches a regular manual transmissions 1st gear, it’s a 3.58:1 ratio, whereas a Hondas 1st gear is 3.25:1
Yep, unless starting uphill
I think that is actually why they changed it, you never need to start out in 1 (low) normal every day circumstances
you may have a SM420 which has a higher ratio 1st gear 7.05:1 vs 6.55
I love that 80’s Chevy you got! I had one
I remember back in the day when the shifter (on fords) had an 'L,' that was the creeper gear with no synchros. You had to stop to put it in low gear and top speed was between 4to8 mph and 2nd gear was like a normal 1st gear.
If it had a 1 for 1st gear then it was synchro'd so you could down and upshift into the gear like normal and hit speeds of 25 to 40 mph before you had to shift.
Yep, My '70 F-250 topped out at about 5 mph in low gear.
This is so wrong it’s ridiculous. Most ALL of Fords Four speeds were marked as 1234 like this even the T18’s with the Non Synchronized first gear. The T19 was fully synchronized but many of them still had a very low first gear so they were driven much the same as the granny gear/bulldog transmissions.
You did not need to stop to put it in that gear, you needed to let the clutch out and rev the engine to match the speed to go to that gear while moving if you wanted to. Thats how a semi truck transmission is in every gear.
@@poellot no, with these old four speeds you Have to stop, then put it in first gear. You should always come to a stop before shifting into your takeoff gear anyway but with these old four speeds you generally always takeoff in 2nd gear and first gear is Not Synchronized and is geared so low that coming to a stop before shifting is damn near the only way to do it. These aren’t Heavy duty Semi Truck transmissions, they’ve smaller parts are are built much tighter than a heavy duty truck trans and are designed to be shifted using the clutch.
@@warrenmcelroy4718 ask a truck driver. You let the clutch out, rev the engine till the speeds match.
Also everyone would start in second. So calling it low makes sense. In that regard.
Not to mention low/first fidnt have synchros
I knew someone that never left 3rd, started in 3rd stayed in 3rd. No one knew she didn't know how to drive manual.
@@TehBIGrat yes she got the hardest part down pat. Thays wild
@@TehBIGrat crazy she can use the clutch but not move a stick up and down
Or you could use first like everyone actually would because most people are normal.
1966 F100 Camper Special Stick had unsyncro'd Walking Granny Low & Dash pull throttle control that farmers used . The unpiloted truck would follow row furrow @ 1-3 mph while been loaded or unloaded in the field. 3.50 Dana 60 sure grip axle.
So it was basically the first “self driving” vehicle? Lol. That’s actually a really cool fact.
Great transmission. Bulletproof.
1st in ur transmission,
Last in our hearts 🖤
Okay, this is wholesome!
I prefer automatic all the way💯
I'm just happy I saw two stick shift trucks on the same day 🥰
The reason is the gear ratio in the rear diff. Higher gear in diff was 1,2,3,4, Lower grared diff was L,1,2,3
I just bought a 92 Z71 Silverado auto trans
I wish it was manual transmission. But it's perfect, hardly any rust amazing shape for 31 years old. Looks exactly like the blue interior in this vid
Yes you are correct. Many of the trucks that had low also had 4:10 gears while the one with first had 3:73s out back
You are correct, dudes with wrenchs is wrong.
So second gear would behave like first, third like second, and so on. Makes total sense, actually starting in second would eat clutches like crazy.
had one with a 3.73 rear end, it was labled L123
my 373 k5 had L
My 70 GMC has 4.10 gears and 1 thru 4
Sierra grande 3/4 ton still original so maybe a Chevy thing but not on gmc
Show em the 3 on the tree! That was some fun learnin'
Yeah I always thought they were the same thing. Glad to see that it was fairly correct.
4 Speed granny low is what we called em back in the 1900's
It's not about how many gears
But the ratio of each one.
And that changed over the years.
To my knowledge 1st was always 6:55:1 please let me know what years that was different I'm honestly asking not tring to attack you just asking I would really like to know. Thanks for watching 👍
That's because 3rd gear was basically 4th direct I have the exact same transmission in my 1991 Chevy K 2500 With 373 gears front and rear with an NP241 stock
The sm465 only had one set of gear ratios during its run.
All SM465's had the same gear ratios:
1st(L) 6.55:1
2nd 3.58:1
3rd 1.7:1
4th 1.1:1
Reverse 6.09:1
There was the similar SM420 trandmission, which had slightly different ratios, maybe you were thinking of that?
@@sidgar1
Ok, I stand corrected. I must have been thinking it was the same trans.
Got to admit that 1st in the SM465 is pretty low geared.
The low gear in 2 wheel drive is still near useless for street driving.
@Shaun Faust please stop kid, you sound like an idiot.
1) In 73 gm switched from 1st gear to "low" as a marking gimmick because the first gear was useless during normal drive and not because of the "transfer case" like you so ignorantly claimed.
2) the 208 was introduced in 81 in k5, burds, k10, k20 platforms, the k30 still used the 205.
3) the sm420 had a lower first gear and lower total crawl ratio, they were considered a 4 speed.
@@donniemontoya9300 Yes it’s a 6.55:1 ratio that’s double what any actual usable driving 1st gear it
Stupid low, I've been meaning to swap mine out since I bought my squarebody.
Yes, but it’s still first gear
Glad he was ok that’s the main thing . But should be a lesson to us all that these bikes can out perform us all . Safe riding everyone 👍
Rock solid transmissions. Awesome for crawling. The sm420 was a little shorter in size. Biggest common problem was 2nd gear or 3rd if it didn’t say low would pop out do to warn synchros. The fix was a torque lock. The synchros we’re back cut slightly so the more you stomp the gas the more it holds the gear. This upgrade requires a complete tear down and rebuild. Very well worth it if you plan on crawling. Having a truck that can idle over curbs is impressive.
One thing that cannot be argued about is the sm 465s ability to make 185 hp seem like it's 300+ , we just had a 78 4x4 shorty with 35s that hustled like a hot rod.
Besides the football field length throws between gears its an awesome transmission
That was such a great transmission. I have an 87 F350 with a Borg Warner T19. The top loader 4 speeds were perfect for heavy haulers until everyone wanted to drive above 70mph. I also run 50 weight motor oil in them.
Idk what it was, all I knew about it was, I was 16, it was transportation to town and it would haul a$$ for a "farm truck"
I swapped a 465+205 in my k5 and it made that thing a blast to drive, I liked putting in low sometimes and just walking beside it while it just creeps forward
And that gear is huge! I've rebuilt a few that came from UPS trucks, really reliable. Tricky to take the lid off I'll keep that secret back and see who says what!
What made it tricky to take it off?
@@richardswancer4103 not saying but you can't just reach down and take the lid off once it's unbolted.
@@metalsurgeon9196 gotcha lol I was confused at first
I honestly can't remember how I did it but I remember clearly removing the last bolt and it moving alot but not out😆 I'm thinking I might have removed the shifter or something. Only did it once, but before everything was on a RUclips video!
@@richardswancer4103 alright, months now and no one played, it's gotta be half way into reverse. Look through the lever hole, the front of the reverse fork gate will line up with the back of the 3/4 gate. When you put it back together, line up the back of the reverse idler with the back of the either the second speed gear when in neutral, or it's the first speed/ reverse gear. Been a really long time and they aren't on the road any more!
I’m not a savy car guy (trying to do basic repairs) but I actually understood what you said (after a rewatch 😅)
My dad still drives a 1970 ford equivalent never misses a beat
Final drive also matters. Even if it's the same transmission, a very low final drive could make first gear useless except when you're hauling heavy loads. It went indicate that most people should start in the transmission's second gear for normal acceleration.
That old Hurst shift boot brought back all kinds of warm memories.
Exactly! So hard to convince folks of that.
"Pissed off DOOODS with Wrenches here!"
Ford done the same thing grandparents had an f150 with 4+r but the dealership showed them the year earlier of the same model truck that had L 234 + reverse but the truck they bought had 1234+r basically the salesman threw ford under the bus on that. He also told them unless they was towing they could start in 2nd because how low 1st gear was. Which was true. The truck took off like normal in 2nd.
It's called a granny gear, to get you moving pulling a load.
What year was that f150 because they were F100 for quite awhile.
It was in 80's not exactly sure on the year I was a little kid.but I remember grampa having I think was a 100 but it was a 70's model he didn't have that truck when they moved back to Florida in the early 80's
Good ole' "Granny Gear", that extra time it takes to haul something is a built in break from whatever work your doing around the farm lol
I put a 3 speed toploader into a 1974 Ford LTD. It's a big car with a 2.99 first and a 2.75 rear end. Boy how I sure wish I had that granny low! This thing is an old dawg but I love it.
Well I know the low in my dad's 77 Chevy square body was a very very low first gear I remember reading the instructions talking about top speed in first gear four-wheel drive.. he won many awards for that truck during the blizzard of 78
Granny Low would crawl but the newer Low was too fast to pick up hay off the field or pull heavy loads, so I always swapped em out.
Drop my pickup in 1st gear and put the transfer case in low range. Redline the engine and you're doing about 7 mph and at idle 1.3 mph. (Max torque to the ground is 35,680 ft lbs)!
Thank you so much for affirming what I’ve been trying to get through peoples heads for EVER!!
That's pretty funny. I love the NP435A that's on my '81 Ram 3/4 ton. I love having that 4.56 granny gear.
We had those transmissions behind 6.2, and 6.5L diesels in the late '80's.
I used to drive a fueling truck that we had it was C30 Chevy and anhatta at 3 speed with a low
So it had a 4 speed
@@psd28 idk because the old school mechanic that was Mentoring me called it a Granny low gear He said she's used for pulling like we have to pull out a stump or something
@@davidaix5771 probably 4 speed then because on the mixer truck I drive there’s 4 low range gears an 4 high range plus low an reverse. They say it’s a ten speed transmission, but on some they got low-low (granny low I guess) an you can flip a switch and get a lower ratio in reverse and in the first four gears. Still a 10 speed, it’s weird shit
@@quadnation485 that’s a 2-speed rear end most likely with separate gearing or it has an over drive setting so you technically do have 10 gears.
@@SuperTheast no
Getting from low to 1st without stopping took some high rpms moments and perfect shifting!
You start most proper trucks moving in second unless you're fully loaded on a hill. Marking it low is sensible to discourage peop-le from using it that don't know better & are likely to break their truck.
Great point. The highest number on an 18spd semi truck shifter is 8. It’s not about the number listed it’s about how many gears.
In the deepest South one may hear in hushed tones of a miraculously omnipotent and often coveted transmission: The"Granny Low" four speed.
Learned how to drive stick on an SM465 with mechanical clutch. I still rock that trans in my old truck; nothing beats the way it feels.
My dad had the GMC 2 speed rear , vacuum assist - starter button on the floor ... He'd park in high & on a cold morning , take forever to get back into low (hauling wood).
Learned about shifting with 2 vehicles. A 5 soeed geo metro, And a 4 soeed 72 ford. Learning the difference between the 2 vehicles was like the day i realized i could read.
Such a valuable lesson.
Ohmygosh im glad to see you. I’ve been stud on fords with dent side depot for so long
I am NOT one of those people who claim the old stuff like this "was the best way...blah blah blah"... However, there are some times I miss an old bench seat, an old dirty shifter with a busted boot or a column shifter, two different keys (one for the ignition and one for the locks), and the floor dimmer switch. Takes me back to my younger days.
That p 30 trans your showing it started the late 70's early 80's up to 95 I think and it was the best they ever made I know I had 2 of em !!
But you needed two of them…..
2 trucks!!!! 1 3/4 tone the other 1 tone and both of em 4×4 !!!! Want a picture withe that and a list of all the trucks I had ???
1968-1991 on that transmission model.
That was what is called a granny/crawl gear. You could just let the clutch out without giving any gas and truck would move without stalling. It wasn't synchronized but 1st 2nd 3rd were. You'd be lucky to get 5 mph out of it. It did save on clutch wear !
No, first gear isn’t synchronized, second third and fourth are. You can call first gear anything you want but it’s still the first gear in a sequence of four. Why is it so hard for people to count to 4 these days?
@@warrenmcelroy4718 Maybe because people back then realized that the synchronized gears were the common gears to use and like low range on 4x4 the granny gear is for special applications. Unless you came to a complete stop or double clutched you'd grind gears going into low/1st gear. Too keep people from thinking they had to use that gear all the time it's listed separately. It really has zero use unless pulling stumps or hauling something crazy heavy. I had a truck from new back in the 60s with the granny gear and used it when pulling my boat from the water and moving trailer around the property. If it was to be used as you state, it would be synchronized.
@@benkrom2737 nobody who knows how to drive would think they have to always take off in first gear just because it’s marked 1st. And there are a blue million uses for first gear other than pulling stumps, I can’t think of a single time where I ever got in one of my old Fords and didn’t use first gear at least once each time. It was designed as a lower ratio gear than normal and obviously wasn’t designed to be used for just driving around we are all aware of that, that’s obviously why it isn’t synchronized. People aren’t as dumb as you’re making them out to be.
First manual I ever drove. Didn’t tear it up.
Aaahh last truck bring back memories of my pops 68 step side 4x4. Man i miss that truck
All about the rear differential, the 3 speed with low might be unusable in low gear on the road. The 4 speed might have a lower ratio rear dif and therefor useful on the road
My dad had one of the last of those standard transmission with the Low. We could really only use it to pull out the our fishing boats out of boat landings. Press clutch, put in Low, and release clutch, do not touch gas pedal, and it would walk itself out.
"It's got a granny first."
Around here they're called: "Cambios de Montaña", Mountain Changers!
The reason some vehicles have what's called a low gear is because the are instances when the low or first gear is used for jobs that require it to travel at a very low speed. Doing a job that requires that in a higher gear means you'd have to ride the clutch which will burn it up very quickly.
For those wondering, I've seen that happen way too often, it's much more common than some would think.
That only happens when the truck is used for actual work.
Most trucks are just commuter cars.....grocery getters.
I like cars when I am not at work. Trucks are dumb unless you actually use it as a truck.
I have a 94 silverado with a NV4500 5 speed but "1st" is "L" and "5th" is "OD". "L" is some crazy ratio like 6.somethig:1 I only use if I'm towing, otherwise I start out in "1st" gear (the second forward gear position). Both those transmissions are the same but the first forward gear position ratios may not be the same
Awesome video brother. Thanks for sharing. Keep the content coming. Hope you have an incredible day. Much love and RESPECT
Actually this should be the legendary Ganny Transmission. The Low gear was a separate gear set from the 4 speed model. Trucks in the 35-3500 category had this option for farm and off-road use.
They were prone to breaking the reverse shift fork when assembling them. Builders knew it being a problem would always have the fork on hand for an overhaul and would notch the case to ease assembly. To pull the top shift cover off these you had to put the transmission in reverse hold the lever hard in reverse and use 2 pry bars to pop the top cover off. It was not a marketing scam.
The 1/2 ton trucks either had an aluminum case Granny or a Saginaw/Muncie. GM used both top loading SM transmissions and side loaded transmissions. The Granny was the the only transmission available from GM that was both passenger vehicles and commercial medium duty truck. Most all the Medium duty trucks were a Clarke, Rockwell, or International.
Actually, the L & R on the shifter stands for Left & Right, these trucks were amazing for parallel parking.
May also be for emissions/sound workaround like the gelande gear in the 959
was going to say the same thing! it was a loophole. from what I remember, the test for noise pollution was done in 3rd gear which would actually be 4th in this case making the car quieter and more fuel efficient.
That’s one tough transmission
First pickup I learned on was "Three on the tree"; with the old man riding shotgun, I was 15 at the time.
Yeah, I remember that same transmission in my 1969 Chevy, it was so LOW that I always took off in second gear.
It's similar to some tall buildings in the world where "G" is the ground floor and "1" is actually up in the air, where we'd normally call it the 2nd floor.
When they build the building with 13 floors and they want to label 12 on the elevator due to the superstition
@@mowgli2071 Yes! That's right. Especially in Las Vegas, no hotel wants to have a 13th floor.
Bonus fact: In Chinese speaking lands, they skip all floors ending in 4, so no 14th, 24th, 34th, etc. The reason is the number 4 sound very close to the word "die" or "death" in Chinese.
You could have floors B and T in there too.. good luck figuring out which one gets you out the door to the street lol
@@bryang9290 "B" is for basement. Which is some houses is also known as a cellar. I know I'm probably not getting to the street entrance from the basement
Or a guitar amp that goes to 11.
How did i learn something i already knew? That's how I feel after watching this. I knew L was basically a 1st gear... but i never thought of it that way before. Thanks man!
WoW, I just don’t know what to say
@@warrenmcelroy4718 you should say "WoW, I just don't know what to say"
Also, I've started driving my automatic like a manual and my car is so much faster now..I go L, 2, OD, then Drive, then I turn off eco mode.... I've won at least 7 races against the kids with the pedal car that run around my neighborhood like their the next Richard Petty.. Really showed them.
@@crispy9175 🤣🤣🤣👏🏿👏🏿😆
I feel like this whole video stemmed from one conversation with one guy sitting at a bar having a beer
Mans got Wooden clogs stomping out car debates
Pro tip. The trans has to be half way into reverse to remove the top cover. Most of them the front input shaft is replaceable without complete trans disassembly. There's a notch in the clutch shaft that allows easy removal.
Hey I didn’t need it myself but I appreciate you dropping knowledge like that.
yea maby but by the time the imput gear is bad the rest of the transmission is shot as well. ive rebuilt a truck load of sm465 and np435 and a few 420 as well. all great durable units too.
SM465 was imdestructible
Just a clutch change only, helped change a few clutches in different trucks never a transmission repair or replacement.
@@jefftowns4415 Nobody used low gear for driving. It was a crawl speed. We drove these in 2-3-4, or123 if low was designated as L.
@@wymple09 exactly 1st or low used only to get a load moving.
Until you flat tow it......
My '85 had this trans behind the original 350 until recently at nearly 200k it suddenly locked up. Swapped in a '95 NV4500 and now I have an overdrive gear!!
I think the reason is that you could in most case start moving on the 2 gear, the 1st gear was only for situation where the truck was super loaded. So it made sense changing the markings so people would feel weird putting on the Secound gear...
This reminds me of the amp that goes to eleven skit 😂.
yeah because it's 1 louder
I always started in second anyways🤣
And you know the funny part is, my fathers' truck had the knob labelled L-1-2-3 and he rarely used the L gear choosing to start the truck off in 1. Sure it worked but years later when I inherited the truck, I would start in L and it was so much easier to drive and the clutch was much more forgiving.
But you barely start rolling and need to up shift.
@@jstravelers4094 Nah, it was good for 15-20 km/h.
We used to call "low" compound, but that was back in the 50's.
Let's not ignore the transfer case range lever.
Not all trucks have transfer cases. Most farm trucks are 2wd.
@@Navybyrde My comment was specific to the pickup in this video. It is indeed a 4x4, hence the range lever to the left of the gear shifter.
A 4-spd has syncros for 1st gear. a 3 speed with a low has no syncros for the low and the gearing is way different. just because the case is the same, it doesn't mean the guts are and that they can be driven the same way.
Wrong.Never built a 465 with a synchronized 1st gear.
@@ripnandtearing you're right! sm465's didn't have a synchronized 1st gear. I was wrong about them having different guts. That said, there is no real reason to use the "1st", or low gear, on the street unless you have an extremely heavy load. The first forward gear on a sm465 is a low gear. Calling an unsynchronized 6.55:1 gear anything other than a low is just silly. My '67 C40 has a SM420 with a 7.06:1 "1st".
never crossed my mimd but very interestimg. i grew up learning to drive on a '76 one ton duelly with "low" on the stick.
Drove one of these overloaded from NS to Ottawa. From what I could tell I that granny was bulletproof. But when you’re tired and driving in rush hour traffic, an automatic is preferred