Oh no! I remember when I got my first Windows 95 machine and it had a rubber dome keyboard and I thought how great it was that it wasn't so clicky as all the other keyboards I was used to. Now I am back to using a bolt modded Model M from 1990. I've come full circle. lol
I worked for IBM starting in 1968 and have never owned any keyboard but the IBM Model M. I have typed on the new keyboards but dislike them a lot! Fortunately, I bought 5 of the Model M boards and have kept all 5 very clean and all still work great. I have tried the new mechanical boards that my three grandsons use for their gaming but they aren't like the old IBM boards.
I'd love to try a model-f sometime ( i hear it's nicer to type on than the model-m) but i think the unconventional layout would be a deal breaker for me .
I used to have a Model M keyboard..... it was stolen along with my 486 computer back in the early 90s. I really miss the actual spring click. I was more pissed, even back then, about my keyboard than anything else I lost on that computer. Just got a Cherry MX Red and it turns out I think the Blue would have been closer to what I wanted.... Unfortunately as you have said there's nothing that compares to a Model M.
I've got my unicomp and love it. I think the closest you can get today are brown switches I guess. I do enjoy blues...but by comparison, they are just too rattley for me. No matter the price or the quality, blues feel like they rattle too much when pressing. I'd rather have a chunkier press that's a little more tight, and that's the part that I guess brown has the most similar with buckling spring.
I used the both and yeah the original IBM model M (in my memory) was very satisfaying but the Cherry mx blues switches are pleasant too. I think the cherry switches are smoother and it is easier to customize. I would like to see this technology (from the model m) on a modern keyboard like the filco keyboard majestouch 2 for example.
Its not actually the key cap that makes the noise, rather its the bump in the click mechanism in the cherry mx body. I doubt the key material contributes much to the sound. It *might* contribute to the tactile sensation though.
Being that I have 7 IBM Model M keyboards, I have a little experience with them dating back to when I was in college back in the late 90s. I think that there is nothing like the experience of typing on an IBM Model M keyboard. In my opinion, It is the gold standard of the clicky keyboards. I have also had several Cherry MX blue keyboards and Cherry MX Brown keyboards from the early 90s. To me, I type a little faster on the cherry mx boards, but I prefer the sound, look, and feel of the IBM model M over the other mechanical keyboards. btw I have heard that cherry mx green is a lot like the ibm model m keyboard. One day I hope to build a keyboard with them and see if I like them as much as I like the model m keys.
model m is the winner by build quality and sound it also easy to get your hands on a model m now an IBM model f its better predisscor its expensive but realy nice to use
It can occur due to many reasons, with more than 20 years of age many things could go wrong. Try disassemble the board until you see the main PCB and see whats wrong.
It's possible that some of the traces may have gone bad - there are electrical traces silk screened onto a on a plastic film - it's likely that one of the traces on this plastic may have cracked. Getting to the trace film can be a bit of an issue as you would need to essentially knock out out the plastic stud/rivets that attach the barrel plate to the plastic barrel array. Once you're in you should be able to inspect the trace film - if you have a continuity tester check to see if the traces are intact if they are not then you can get a trace pen and then just draw over the effected spot then check the continuity before closing up. Now when getting to the trace film you had to destroy the plastic rivets - to put the board back together you will need to get bolts to re-assemble the board. Here's a site with a tutorial on how to remove and replace the rivets. wiki.geekhack.org/index.php?title=Modifications:IBM_Model_M:Nut_and_Bolt_Mod
Model M identical to the Compaq PS/2 keyboard I have .. except bubble dome switches on Compaq. Gaming MoBo's still support PS/2 which is nice. I have a Razor BWU 2016 which has bad Space key switch and broken LED .. these switches are comparable to Cherry MX Blues? .. if anyone knows. Think I would get MX Green and drink less. Would break less keyboards ..
I'm really considering getting myself one of these, but as a gamer, i fear the keys may be too heavy for rapid fire movements between WASD. I'm also considering some form of Mx green or blue, but i really want the buckling switches. Any Suggestions people?
Model M are over eBay, and Unicomp makes new Model M keyboards, so they are not rare. I have 3 Model M keyboards, all in complete, working condition. They are very durable, and easy to clean. Most keys have removable keycaps, so you an gently pry off the caps and throw them in a soapy bucket of water to remove the grime. It only takes about 2hrs to do a complee tear down, clean up and reassembly of an M. You do need a special 5.5mm (7/32") hex socket to remove the 4 cover screws, as 3 are in deep narrow recessed holes. I do recommend removing the cover, as lots of crumbs, hair, and cruft hides under areas you cannot reach with the top cover on. My first M was put into service in 1988, and it still works flawlessly. I've head good and bad reviews on the new Unicomp keyboards. I'm considering buying both an M and a keyboard with MX Blue keys for a head-to-head comparison.
wow, aren't those keyboards really rare in southeast asia? I live in indonesia and back then the only places where you can find those computers are in the university's lab or maybe in a goverment office since virtually no one can afford computers, how did you get ahold of those? especially with thai keycaps and in mint condition
From the same place that you mentioned, schools and government places.. once they are old, those places auction them out as old electronic trash. Surprisingly, keyboard community here is doing really well in recent years; price of these Model M have gone up 3x - 4x from when i record this video.
The XT Model F feels much lighter than the AT Model F. Sample size of 1 each, though. The XT Model F is a pleasure to type on besides the layout and the fact that it's only compatible with my IBM XT. The AT Model F requires too much force, in my opinion, similar to the blue logo (Lexmark era) Model M. Gray logo Model M is somewhere in between the XT Model F and AT Model F.
มีแค่ในคีย์บอร์ด IBM Model M เท่านั้นครับ (ไม่นับรุ่นทีเป็น Capacitive Buckling Spring นะ) หรือถ้าคีย์บอร์ดใหม่ๆ ก็มียี่ห้อ Unicomp ครับ ที่ใช้ดีไซน์ของ IBM ลองหาใน Google ดูนะ
I have tried both and I need the Windows key, better with backlit. one of my cousin once offered me a model m for free, it's in good condition but I refused. just by the lack of it, it is practically impossible to perform shortcuts that contains Windows key
any pro here? may i ask, so that model M is 32 year old but still functioning well. does it mean, the keyboard PCB is still functioning? i thought people said a PCB could only last a few years. or is the model M's PCB is different from other keyboard's PCB? please guide me so i can do some research. and thanks for those who reply.
Thanks. I just got a Model M on Mercado Livre and it should arrive next week, I'il use mostly for typing. It would my first experience with a mechanical keyboard ever., Model M's are practically impossible to get here im Brazil, so I'm pretty excited. :)
The Model-M can be used for games - though the noise may be an issue if you do a lot of voice chatting. One thing you need to be aware of is needing to let the switch reset before pressing again which can be a bit of an issue if you are doing any double tapping within the game.
cherry mx blue is the worst sounding click i think the IBM model f and model m have a way better click. when i think of a blue switch i think of alps SKCM blue and when i think of clicky tactile i think of IBM BTW IBM buckling springs have the most accurate click as they don't use a click bar or leaf its the sound of the switch actuating iv had cherry where you will hear it but it is not registered yet the IBM registers on the click. BS you cant find it in nice condition you can spend alot and get a NOS full size for 250 an average m can be easily cleaned up, hell i got a NOS model m SSK for 60$ and that is cheap but also you got a later Lexmark with permanently attached cable the original 190131 and the average 1391401 has a detachable SDL cable and ALL ssk's iv encountered have SDL but if you want a tenkeyless and are not patent like me witing over 6 months for the right deal you can expect to pay upwords of 250$ used NOS gets ALOT more
Марио Петров Good for writers. But most writers who would know of them also game so they get browns as a middle ground (Plus it's just the best standard switch from Cherry if you ask most folks who arent straight gamers)
You're russian you can't tell me you've never rushed b on csgo and heard someone have his mic on all the time to show people he has a blue switch keyboard
Fenix Lolnope Cherry have the highest quality, not to mention keyboards with those switches come with rgb, wrist rest, dedicated macro and media keys and look sexy as hell
About 15 years ago I threw out an old IBM PS/2, along with what I now know was a model M keyboard. I just put it in a skip... Regret!
Oh no! I remember when I got my first Windows 95 machine and it had a rubber dome keyboard and I thought how great it was that it wasn't so clicky as all the other keyboards I was used to. Now I am back to using a bolt modded Model M from 1990. I've come full circle. lol
Holy crap I tossed my model m 15 years ago too. I feel really silly.
@@hyperdriverr RIP that model m
Same happened to me... 😭
I worked for IBM starting in 1968 and have never owned any keyboard but the IBM Model M. I have typed on the new keyboards but dislike them a lot! Fortunately, I bought 5 of the Model M boards and have kept all 5 very clean and all still work great. I have tried the new mechanical boards that my three grandsons use for their gaming but they aren't like the old IBM boards.
I have a Model F AT (:
It feels really good to type on.
yes, i do have a Model F at too.. check out my other reviews.
I'd love to try a model-f sometime ( i hear it's nicer to type on than the model-m) but i think the unconventional layout would be a deal breaker for me .
Jim Taylor well the at model is more modern and more familiar layout than the xt so they are worth a look
i thought you we're joking and said FAT Lmfao
that is one of the mainstream model f's I don't have I have the XT the 122 and a reproduction
I like the sound of model M.
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N3T1 Some people buy rare Keyboards with other languages because they couldn't get another one.
TristenDoesGames lmao
His accent is pretty clear ngl
Thanks for the comparison! You're the best :-)
Thanks for watching, I will also have an IBM Model F to compare soon.
Very cool!
Thanks a lot for your video, just what I needed; a comparison between IBM and cherry blue.
Model M wins.
of course, its superior in every way possible. I will also have another Model F to compare soon.
Sure it wins if you live in the 20th century
Orange Broom lmao
nah man mdoel m better build and doesn't sound like shattering glass
Stim
Model M has this annoying "ting" sound whereas the blue switches have a nice "tac"
I used to have a Model M keyboard..... it was stolen along with my 486 computer back in the early 90s. I really miss the actual spring click. I was more pissed, even back then, about my keyboard than anything else I lost on that computer.
Just got a Cherry MX Red and it turns out I think the Blue would have been closer to what I wanted.... Unfortunately as you have said there's nothing that compares to a Model M.
Model Ms are still being made, actually - check out Unicomp. (They use USB now, too).
This is why you get a switch tester before buying a keyboard
Thai keycaps ^^
Of course, Im คนไทยครับ
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I've got my unicomp and love it. I think the closest you can get today are brown switches I guess. I do enjoy blues...but by comparison, they are just too rattley for me. No matter the price or the quality, blues feel like they rattle too much when pressing. I'd rather have a chunkier press that's a little more tight, and that's the part that I guess brown has the most similar with buckling spring.
Cherry mx brown feels like linear i think. Model m has sharp tactility doesnt rounded like cherrymx brown.
Lmaoooo brown switches? You good?
Brown switches are just red switches with dirt on them
blues feel much closer than browns
I used the both and yeah the original IBM model M (in my memory) was very satisfaying but the Cherry mx blues switches are pleasant too. I think the cherry switches are smoother and it is easier to customize.
I would like to see this technology (from the model m) on a modern keyboard like the filco keyboard majestouch 2 for example.
Buckling springs sound more close to outemu brown switches in my opinion.
i have an ibm keyboard and my dad said its about 33 years old and is in a perfect condition
Its not actually the key cap that makes the noise, rather its the bump in the click mechanism in the cherry mx body. I doubt the key material contributes much to the sound. It *might* contribute to the tactile sensation though.
I have several IBM Model M keyboards new in unopened box. I also have Model M Compace new in unopened bos. This is the only keyboard I will ever use.
Being that I have 7 IBM Model M keyboards, I have a little experience with them dating back to when I was in college back in the late 90s. I think that there is nothing like the experience of typing on an IBM Model M keyboard. In my opinion, It is the gold standard of the clicky keyboards. I have also had several Cherry MX blue keyboards and Cherry MX Brown keyboards from the early 90s. To me, I type a little faster on the cherry mx boards, but I prefer the sound, look, and feel of the IBM model M over the other mechanical keyboards.
btw I have heard that cherry mx green is a lot like the ibm model m keyboard. One day I hope to build a keyboard with them and see if I like them as much as I like the model m keys.
The model m sounds way nicer imo.
model m is the winner by build quality and sound it also easy to get your hands on a model m now an IBM model f its better predisscor its expensive but realy nice to use
the man in my ear made the video so much better
i have cherry mx brown can you compare it
The MX do not feel like the model M. The model M has much deeper travel and a more springy feel.
my model m doesn't work the alt keys and scroll lock. what is?
It can occur due to many reasons, with more than 20 years of age many things could go wrong. Try disassemble the board until you see the main PCB and see whats wrong.
It's possible that some of the traces may have gone bad - there are electrical traces silk screened onto a on a plastic film - it's likely that one of the traces on this plastic may have cracked. Getting to the trace film can be a bit of an issue as you would need to essentially knock out out the plastic stud/rivets that attach the barrel plate to the plastic barrel array.
Once you're in you should be able to inspect the trace film - if you have a continuity tester check to see if the traces are intact if they are not then you can get a trace pen and then just draw over the effected spot then check the continuity before closing up.
Now when getting to the trace film you had to destroy the plastic rivets - to put the board back together you will need to get bolts to re-assemble the board.
Here's a site with a tutorial on how to remove and replace the rivets.
wiki.geekhack.org/index.php?title=Modifications:IBM_Model_M:Nut_and_Bolt_Mod
It was ahead 32 years of time
I was wearing head phones while for this video it was like something was inside them
Model M identical to the Compaq PS/2 keyboard I have .. except bubble dome switches on Compaq. Gaming MoBo's still support PS/2 which is nice. I have a Razor BWU 2016 which has bad Space key switch and broken LED .. these switches are comparable to Cherry MX Blues? .. if anyone knows. Think I would get MX Green and drink less. Would break less keyboards ..
there is also thai writing on one of the keyboards.
I like Cherry Blue, good video :D
I'm really considering getting myself one of these, but as a gamer, i fear the keys may be too heavy for rapid fire movements between WASD. I'm also considering some form of Mx green or blue, but i really want the buckling switches. Any Suggestions people?
Ben Jacobs a das keyboard
praise the holy IBM
does the model m have n key roll over?
No, but the F does due to the different sensing mechanisms.
do you still have the model M
Ow my left ear
PBS plastic, metal, Steel, And rubber (not used often i mean at all :p)
Model M are over eBay, and Unicomp makes new Model M keyboards, so they are not rare. I have 3 Model M keyboards, all in complete, working condition. They are very durable, and easy to clean. Most keys have removable keycaps, so you an gently pry off the caps and throw them in a soapy bucket of water to remove the grime. It only takes about 2hrs to do a complee tear down, clean up and reassembly of an M. You do need a special 5.5mm (7/32") hex socket to remove the 4 cover screws, as 3 are in deep narrow recessed holes. I do recommend removing the cover, as lots of crumbs, hair, and cruft hides under areas you cannot reach with the top cover on. My first M was put into service in 1988, and it still works flawlessly. I've head good and bad reviews on the new Unicomp keyboards. I'm considering buying both an M and a keyboard with MX Blue keys for a head-to-head comparison.
Old and still works👍
Doesn't the rollover have an effect on how you play games though? isn't there only a 2 key rollover or something of that sort?
Yes I think Linus Tech Tips covered that in his video, it's not made for gaming...
wow, aren't those keyboards really rare in southeast asia? I live in indonesia and back then the only places where you can find those computers are in the university's lab or maybe in a goverment office since virtually no one can afford computers, how did you get ahold of those? especially with thai keycaps and in mint condition
From the same place that you mentioned, schools and government places.. once they are old, those places auction them out as old electronic trash. Surprisingly, keyboard community here is doing really well in recent years; price of these Model M have gone up 3x - 4x from when i record this video.
Buckling sounds better but for me, blue switches feel better
A man of culture
Try a model f, they beat the m in feel.
yes, I also have the Model F. The typing feel is smoother and sounds a bit more pingy.. check my other reviews.
The XT Model F feels much lighter than the AT Model F. Sample size of 1 each, though. The XT Model F is a pleasure to type on besides the layout and the fact that it's only compatible with my IBM XT. The AT Model F requires too much force, in my opinion, similar to the blue logo (Lexmark era) Model M. Gray logo Model M is somewhere in between the XT Model F and AT Model F.
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มีแค่ในคีย์บอร์ด IBM Model M เท่านั้นครับ (ไม่นับรุ่นทีเป็น Capacitive Buckling Spring นะ) หรือถ้าคีย์บอร์ดใหม่ๆ ก็มียี่ห้อ Unicomp ครับ ที่ใช้ดีไซน์ของ IBM ลองหาใน Google ดูนะ
I use the model m for gaming
Whats that mechanical keyboard name?
I have tried both and I need the Windows key, better with backlit. one of my cousin once offered me a model m for free, it's in good condition but I refused. just by the lack of it, it is practically impossible to perform shortcuts that contains Windows key
Harry Tsang wtf, model m for free? Dude even if you didn't use it, you should of took it and sold it. It's old and people still like the keyboards.
I just programmed the right alt key to act as the windows key. Problem solved.
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Can you program macros on it?
You literally denied free money, model m’s especially original’s are appreciating assets.
sound test 2:20
ตั้งแต่ผมได้ model M มาลองผมแทบไม่เห็นทางที่ Mx Blue ชนะเลยนะ😅
I like both:)
Correction: -1984- You mean *1970*
He Has A Clock Under His Computer Monitor. Aye???
More typing, less talking
My bruuther is Thai too, (look at the keycaps on the model m)
I found model m in my grandmothers stuff
I have a Cherry MX 1500. New Cherrys suck
I have Model M, awesome keyboard
any pro here? may i ask, so that model M is 32 year old but still functioning well. does it mean, the keyboard PCB is still functioning? i thought people said a PCB could only last a few years. or is the model M's PCB is different from other keyboard's PCB? please guide me so i can do some research. and thanks for those who reply.
if so i say it wins 100%
Keyboard with RGB = better keyboard
Ibm it have thailand keycaps why
คุณไปหา Ibm Model M จากไหนครับ
Cherry mx blue is better switch of mx series. But it cannot match with Model M and complicated blue alps.
Cherry Mx Blue has a complex sound, and it's a beautiful sound for light, fast typing.
Sounds like you have o-rings on that Cherry MX Blue keyboard.
pwned by Model M
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the model m is not a mechanical keyboard its a membraine keyboard it has 2key rollovers
Wow 😍😍😍
Is it really hard to play games on a Model M?
once you're used to it you'll be fine. But it would take sometime to adjust to it if you previously used linear switches like MX Blacks or MX Reds.
Thanks. I just got a Model M on Mercado Livre and it should arrive next week, I'il use mostly for typing. It would my first experience with a mechanical keyboard ever., Model M's are practically impossible to get here im Brazil, so I'm pretty excited. :)
The Model-M can be used for games - though the noise may be an issue if you do a lot of voice chatting. One thing you need to be aware of is needing to let the switch reset before pressing again which can be a bit of an issue if you are doing any double tapping within the game.
Cherry MX Blue is too quiet. IBM Model M wins.
cherry mx blue is the worst sounding click i think the IBM model f and model m have a way better click. when i think of a blue switch i think of alps SKCM blue and when i think of clicky tactile i think of IBM BTW IBM buckling springs have the most accurate click as they don't use a click bar or leaf its the sound of the switch actuating iv had cherry where you will hear it but it is not registered yet the IBM registers on the click. BS you cant find it in nice condition you can spend alot and get a NOS full size for 250 an average m can be easily cleaned up, hell i got a NOS model m SSK for 60$ and that is cheap but also you got a later Lexmark with permanently attached cable the original 190131 and the average 1391401 has a detachable SDL cable and ALL ssk's iv encountered have SDL but if you want a tenkeyless and are not patent like me witing over 6 months for the right deal you can expect to pay upwords of 250$ used NOS gets ALOT more
yeah ... I dont really know a person who actually like blue switches ...
Марио Петров Good for writers. But most writers who would know of them also game so they get browns as a middle ground (Plus it's just the best standard switch from Cherry if you ask most folks who arent straight gamers)
You're russian you can't tell me you've never rushed b on csgo and heard someone have his mic on all the time to show people he has a blue switch keyboard
Eulogy I game on blues no problem at all.
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wow it's a thai keyboard
I realy need your thai keycaps for my model m :)
Lmao the model m isn’t hard to find at all just look on eBay cmon bro hundreds of thousands of these have been sold they easy to find used
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this guy thinks that tesoro keyboard uses cherry mx blue switches cause the switches are blue HAH
Go check it out. The old Tesoro keyboards really have Cherry MX blue. Its written on the switch, but not the new one.
The blues sound cheap compared to the IBM Model M
Your camera focus is horrible. My eyes are hurting...
Thai
ibm better
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model m isnt mechanical
The Model M is so much better than any MX switch. Alps switches are a close second, but Cherry are rubbish.
Fenix Lolnope
Cherry have the highest quality, not to mention keyboards with those switches come with rgb, wrist rest, dedicated macro and media keys and look sexy as hell
Model m is not mechanical; it uses a membrane
It’s more or less a hybrid of both
You're saying it's not mechanical just because it uses a membrane mat to register key presses?
Mediocre video. Sorry.
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