Shadowing Technique Vs. Repeating (HOW and WHEN to use these language-learning methods)
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- Shadowing Technique Vs. Repeating (HOW and WHEN to use these language-learning methods) The shadowing technique, given its name by hyperpolyglot and professor, Alexander Arguelles, is often confused with the more common language learning technique of listening, pause, and then repeating. In reality, shadowing (also called the imitation method or mimic method) is a unique language learning exercise that involves simultaneous speaking. Which one of these should you be using as a beginner language learner trying to learn Spanish or another language to fluency? Does the language make a difference? One of these methods may actually hurt your accent!
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Have you tried language shadowing? How has it worked for you?
I've never heard of this before! So interesting!!
I couldn't even shadow without pausing the audio in English. I tried shadowing (with pausing) from cartoons when I was a beginner and it was a flop. Too hard.
@@sklanguage589 it really is challenging!!
I am an English as a second language teacher in a spanish speaking country and a spanish learner. I have tried shadowing and I have seen the video on Alexander Arguelle's channel that you refer to. I am an advocate but I think there are some things to consider. It's not a natural way to learn. My wife's 4 year old grandson (often my shadow at home) never speaks when I speak (shadows) but often repeats what I say after I have spoken in English. He doesn't know what he's saying but uses it in an expressive way as if to suggest he does.
It's tough to shadow. It's cerebrally exhausting. I certainly can't do it for long.
I would say dispense with any interpretive texts. The first thing we need when learning a new language are simply new sounds with which we are not familiar and to become accustomed to hearing them without worrying too much about meaning. Visual material inteferes with the aquisition of the sounds. Reading as a seperate activity later will put these sounds into context.
I'm also a musician and teach performance singing and improvisation. Almost all of my music teaching is done through transcribing, listening to music we want to perform and trying to reproduce it. Shadowing the music is a method that we use where we listen and try to play a long at the same time.
Although I don't do enough shadowing or listening personally I think all language (and music) should be taught/acquired aurally then orally before any written material is introduced. While children may learn to read and write before they know EVERYTHING their native language has to offer, they don't start reading and writing before they have communicative command of their language and neither should we. But those are just my thoughts. As a music teacher I found teaching people to read music inhibited their progress and objective which was to perform music. Now I only teach aurally. My music students soar and infact my language students progress better when we concentrate on oral/aural communication.
Sorry for the long rant. I am very passionate about this subject.
@@TheCompleteGuitarist Thank you for sharing your thoughts/experiences! Yes, I agree that shadowing is not at all like how children learn. Sometimes people talk about shadowing as something children do but that's when I know that they're confusing the terms. I have never heard a child talking over someone as they're speaking. But they do a lot of listening and repeating (once they can speak). That continues to be my preferred method as well, but I do see how shadowing can have its place for some people.
I'm an Italian native speaker and I've been practicing shadowing for a long time, both in English and Spanish. I reaped the benefits of this hard job a few weeks ago when I was asked to play as an interpreter during a call office, from English to Italian and vice versa. I was helped by both speakers because they knew that wasn't my job. So they both talked slowly, but they didn't expect me to be able to simultaneously translate. They talked small sentences to give me the time to translate, but I told them to keep going and they both were bewildered to see I could sustain a simultaneous translation. I wasn't perfect. I missed some words and I had to use circumlocution, definitely not a professional, but shadowing exercises helped me get by with the job.
Never heard of the shadowing technique. You are a great teacher.
So nice of you! Thanks!
Me gusta escuchar primero y entonces repetir. Gracias!
Excelente!
Me gusta repetir. Me gusta repetir.
Thanks for the great explanation of shadowing Erica.
Pleasure!
Esta es una de las mejores explicaciones que he encontrado sobre la diferencia entre ambas 2 técnicas. Gracias! 😊
Qué bueno que te sirvió! Gracias! ☺️
This was the most perfect and informative video that I needed
Happy to hear it!
Great video! I love how you actually show what you're discussing such as the simultaneous interpreting ... Looking forward to the next video on this.
Thank you!!
You really break things down well Erica, very useful for anyone diving in to learn a language.
Thanks so much!
This is a great video Erica! I love this. I am doing some research prior to attempting a new language, so very interested.
Awesome! Best wishes with your new language!
I just reviewed this video because I'm going to try shadowing at this point to see how it goes. Seems very intriguing 😁
Let me know how it goes! 😀
Oh my god.... not only are you a simultaneous interpreter but a MEDICAL interpreter. As someone who doesn't want to interpret, that still blows my mind.
I really appreciated this video. A while a go I became frustrated with a bunch of the language learning community and a lot of misinformation that was being shared. I really appreciated that not only do you know what you're talking about, but you also sight your sources! Really a great video and great points.
I really appreciate your comments! Thank you so much and I hope to continue to be of service!!
I am so glad I came across your channel! Thank you for explaining the differences between the two! Very interesting!
So glad to have you here!!
So interesting to know about this technique!
Glad you think so!
You are a great teacher many thanks for your valuable time.
Thank you very much!
Excellent overview of this new-to-me topic. You are really good at explaining and obviously very eloquent and bright. You've got a new subscriber!
Wow, what lovely comments! 🙂 Thank you so much for watching and subscribing!
Shadowing, in language learning as opposed to conference interpreting, was designed as a language acquisition method (used in conjunction with bilingual audio courses like Assimil), NOT a means to improve one’s accent. And in fact, there are studies that show that while it improves understandability , it does not really improve one’s accent (probably helps with the prosody, which is important, but not specifically pronunciation)
Precisely! 7:05
@@EricaRayLanguage Yeah, I understand that you and I are on the same page. I just wanted to point out that there's research (although, not much of it) that shows that shadowing does not improve one's accent, but can have benefits in terms of prosody (and, to be honest, in my experience very good prosody can work miracles to the point where your interlocutor will stop noticing your accent altogether just because of how otherwise natural you sound). But in general, if it is to be discussed as a method, I feel like it should be discussed with its original goal in mind: that of absorbing a language through a series of exercises without explicitly / extensively learning vocabulary or grammar (shadowing in your target language while reading the translation in your mother tongue, shadowing in your TL while reading in your TL and occasionally looking at the translation, etc.).
You sound so graceful.
Well thanks! 😉
Thanks for the video !!
I am currently learning English, i can understand almost 99% of english speakers but when it’s time to speak … so difficult…
If you are looking for a french speaker, I will be glad to help if you can help me with my english 😎😇
@@kevindossantosfonseca1163 I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I hope it helps! 😊
I was quite aware of this, very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for this video!
My pleasure!
Wow this was so new to me... and I found it fascinating!! Thanks so much for this info 🙌🏻
Awesome! Glad to know I'm not the only one who finds these things interesting! Haha!
Great video! Loved the insights on those techniques. It was very helpful to think about how to apply them in my own daily routine.
Thank you!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
I am a jw like yourself. I am in the spainsh congregation. I am going to use this for my own learning thanks so much.
Awesome! So happy to have you here.
Jaja my goals Is to get a Colombian accent and I watched most of your videos your my favorite RUclips now lol. I want to move to Colombian to really master Spanish. Like seeing you doing it gives me hope.
Aww that is so nice! I feel honored!😃
I am learning English right now
Awesome! What methods are you using?
Always thought about learning another language
Nows the time!
Thank you very much, Erica Ray. I do think it's effective to use both, when it comes to OUTPUT. Firstly, Repeating many times as possible and then Shadowing. That way, the shadowing won't be so hard. ^^!
I'm saying this as an Intermediate - almost advanced (C1) - English language self-taught learner.
Agreed!! The shadowing is HARD when you just throw yourself into it from the start. :)
@@EricaRayLanguage Sure thing :)!
I think I enjoy learning by teaching myself by watching other videos(visual based) or if its made fun like a game haha. Im sort of like a little kid i guess. Though I do see the big benefits of being around someone else so you can actually ask questions and see the pronunciation. What are your thoughts on Rosetta stone.? I feel like that would be easier for me to learn on.
I actually haven't tried Rosetta Stone. I will eventually but I've hesitated because what I've read seems to suggest that there are a lot of multiple choice questions and not so much emphasis on conversational speaking, like in other programs. I prefer programs that are more based on conversation, such as Rocket Languages (preview.tinyurl.com/rszetoa) - affiliate link. But again, I have not tried it so I cannot comment yet. It may be different than what I hear. I know that there are a lot of pictures in Rosetta Stone so you may like it! :)
great job mija
Thank you!! 💛
Definitely agree that beginners should focus on pronunciation early on. If you spend the first year or so as a beginner speaking without that focus, you'll end up building a lot of bad habits which are not so easy to get rid of later on. One caveat I would say is, for certain languages when you're starting out you can't even hear certain sounds in the TL that do not exist in your NL. So, trying to shadow early on is not going to helpful because you won't be able to tell whether you're pronouncing it correctly, until you're able to corretly discern those subtle differences. So, yeah it depends on the language. Btw first video I saw from your channel but it was really fascinating watching you do a live-translation in Spanish :)
Thank you for that perspective about other languages! Very interesting! ☺️
you're amazing watching you from iraq 🇮🇶
Greetings and thank you!!
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I would say I practice listening and repeating often. I don't force it but often feel an urge to imitate. I like it.
If I were trying to hear new words better, practice pronunciation of new phrases, or what have you, I personally at least, would find professor Arguelles shadowing very frustrating. However... Once I know an audio dialogue sample (for example) very well, and maybe I'm doing something else while listening (ie: doing the dishes, etc.) then I may end up doing something very similar to his shadowing technique. For me it's like singing along to a song I already know. I'm not focused on hearing the words as much-I already know them. But I do get some pleasure out of seeing how close I can match the speaker in the audio (speed, stress, etc.). I do think there is at least some small value in this, maybe more.
I love the way that you described this! I share many of your same feelings, especially describing shadowing as being similar to singing along to a song that you already know. What an interesting way to think about it and it's so true. Most of us wouldn't try to sing along with a song if it's our first (or even second) time hearing it, but over time the familiarity makes joining in pleasant. I really do think that each of these methods definitely has its place and purpose. 😊
Hi teacher, shadowing is the best technique my question is to listen to native speakers and repeat this technic listen and repeat or simultaneously speak with native speakers which techniques are better, please suggest me
Hi there! You can use both! Listen to short audio and repeat to work on your pronunciation and learn how to structure sentences properly in your target language. Shadow the speaker when you're ready to work on the intonation (the rise and fall of the voice when speaking) and rhythm of the language. Thanks for watching!
@@EricaRayLanguage when I listen and repeat the sound goes out natural but I do simultaneously repeat native speakers the sound goes out like a unnatural in that time what should I do? Please suggest me
@@EricaRayLanguage I do every day one thing reading aloud the New York Times article and I search some vocabulary words in that article this technique good or bad. I'm learning English right now. Could you please tell me what you now some apps good shadowing practice to me.
@@ghanshyampawar161 If you enjoy reading the New York Times, then that's a great method! Try to read a variety of things to keep things interesting for you. For audio, I enjoy using audiobooks with the ebook from Audible/Amazon. You may also want to check out this other video on my channel for another method you can try. Best wishes! ruclips.net/video/fIEqxuAHVUc/видео.html
4:12 How do you do this? Don't you have to listen to what they say? And how can you immediately start after they speak? Aren't some words of english like later on in the sentence that come first in a spanish sentence? Sorry if my english is bad.
Indeed! If you're referring to simultaneous interpreting, the translation is not entirely in sync with the original speaker's speech. You do have to wait until enough of the sentence or the entire sentence has been said in order for you to process it in the other language and begin interpreting, but it still sounds simultaneous because you are indeed speaking at the same time as the other speaker. This varies from the type of interpreting in which the speaker says a few sentences and then pauses and allows you to interpret.
hi, when I am doing the shadowing, you mean I speak at the same time with the audio WITHOUT looking the text of the target language ? In other words, I just listen to and speak along the audio ?
You can read along too (and will have to unless you have the audio memorized)
Would you say that it's incredibly important to sound like a native speaker? My Asian grandfather (who, by the way, has a very strong Asian accent) always comments on my [European] accent. He always says it in a way that makes me feel bad about it.
I don't notice my accent myself and I've never had any problems with native speakers not understanding me (been to Australia for example). At this point I've just accepted that I will always have an accent, which is honestly not the worst thing in the world. I can speak English fluently and express myself using jargon specific to my academic field. I don't feel the need to ever sound like a native but my grandfather always makes me feel so bad about it. What's your take on this situation?
Hi there! This is a good question. I am sorry that you've been made to feel bad about your accent as there is no reason why you should! It's rare for a person who has acquired a language later in life to sound exactly like a native speaker and accents can be so beautiful. But ultimately, how important or unimportant your accent is will be entirely up to you. Some will say that "you can't change how you speak" and I don't find that to be true. However, it can require more work than some feel the need to put in. You state that you are communicating well without problems and that you don't feel the need to ever sound like a native, so that is your answer! I would stop worrying. :)
La traducción simultanea parece casi imposible. Es extremadamente difícil. 😐
No es fácil, pero a veces yo hasta prefería hacerlo así porque no requería de mi memoria, como la interpretación consecutiva. Pero en el campo médico casi siempre hacíamos interpretación consecutiva a menos que era una emergencia.
I teach English online to secondary Chinese students in China. They are in classrooms of 30-60 students. I primarily use the "listen-repeat" method of teaching pronunciation. I've never really heard of shadowing until today! I'm wondering what you think about using the shadowing method in these large classrooms. After your wonderful explanation, I've come to the conclusion that shadowing might be mechanically impossible because the classrooms are so large, and the volume being broadcast into their rooms is unpredictable. I mean, students must be able to hear me clearly in order to shadow, and this is generally not possible. What do you think? On the other hand, I wonder if I might teach this skill for students to use at home, on their own. Again, what do you think?
Excellent question. I would agree with you that it would be very difficult with a classroom of this size, especially considering the fact that each student needs to be able to hear himself. In this case, the listen and repeat method that you've been using sounds like it would be the most appropriate. However, teaching the method for individual use at home sounds like an excellent idea to me!
@@EricaRayLanguage Thank you!
How can you say something at the same time as the speaker? It doesn't make any sense. You won't know what they are saying
With a transcript?
If you're referring to shadowing, you can follow along with a transcript.
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Fixed! The blueprint link was fine, but it was the framework to fluency guide that was broken. I've fixed it. Thanks for letting me know! Here it is: ericaraylanguage.com/framework/