300 Win Mag - Savage 110 Precision - Finishing break-in

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  • Опубликовано: 19 янв 2025
  • How will the Savage 110 Precision perform with bullets all across the weight range? It's time to finish our break-in of this gun by loading up 100 rounds of 300 Win Mag with 10 different bullets and 16 powders.
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  • @ap1986
    @ap1986 3 года назад +83

    "I'm not going to cover the actual reloading because I'll turn this into a 4 hour video." Don't threaten me with a good time!

  • @ronwilliams329
    @ronwilliams329 3 года назад +9

    "10 different bullets and 16 different powders". Now that's a video! That foundation alone earns a "like" regardless of what happens in the video after that statement!

  • @Thorsaxe777
    @Thorsaxe777 3 года назад +6

    Johnny. even since I discovered your channel many years back,, I have never thought that your videos were too long. Matter of fact, I find that most videos out there are too short, I'm always jumping up and finding something else to watch. your videos stay on task and give comprehensive depth to a particular subject. whatever you do, just keep up doing what you are doing. -Dave

  • @BoltActionReloading
    @BoltActionReloading 3 года назад +25

    When you wait so long between the stream and publishing the video I forgot everything that happened. The info is all new again. BL-C2 hahaha

  • @vomitingwithungodlyaccurac3218
    @vomitingwithungodlyaccurac3218 3 года назад +14

    Johnny, thanks for all the work you do and the content you pump out. You’re doing the Lord’s work out there!

  • @kylestubblefield3404
    @kylestubblefield3404 3 года назад +12

    "Don't screw it up, don't screw it up!" that's my daily mantra.

  • @hondarider2067
    @hondarider2067 3 года назад +7

    5:26 The Booger manual. Great stuff. Love your content. Thank you.

  • @feetoorourke
    @feetoorourke 3 года назад +40

    Anyone else miss the old paper target? Just me? I mean I like the technology, but the old paper just seemed more tangible

    • @usa5865
      @usa5865 3 года назад +5

      I've made this comment several times. I hate the electronic target. There was something satisfying about seeing the holes punched in the paper

    • @jamespugh
      @jamespugh 3 года назад

      Same

    • @tpalshadow
      @tpalshadow 3 года назад +2

      I kind of do, but with situations like this where it's cold, operating that second camera for that long would have been challenging. I get what you are saying, but I also like watching the shot marker.

    • @flydriveride
      @flydriveride 3 года назад +2

      The only meaningful "report card" I've ever known.

  • @LastCaress7
    @LastCaress7 3 года назад +22

    I gotta say man, i prefer the actual paper target cam. Love the ShotMarker, we use them at precision matches but the paper just gives a different feel lol.
    Great video as always!

    • @nitemare5030
      @nitemare5030 3 года назад +5

      I liked the paper targets a lot more too

    • @lukewinteregg2486
      @lukewinteregg2486 3 года назад +4

      I liked it too but i get the logistical issue of trying to film it. I dont blame him at all for just using the shotmarker. I would rather have a little more content than the target cam.

    • @usa5865
      @usa5865 3 года назад +2

      Agreed, the paper targets were more satisfying to watch and compare groups

  • @elvisammo
    @elvisammo 3 года назад +23

    I was wondering if you was ever gonna complain about your shoulder! ☠️👍🤣

    • @wagon9082
      @wagon9082 3 года назад +2

      we need a reloading face off - elvis and johnny. same caliber, same bullets, same powders and weights. best group wins!!

  • @1holyblack
    @1holyblack 3 года назад +1

    We all need a update on Project 300 WM! I just picked up a 300WM, after watching your series I am all jazzed about getting it out and testing loads...

  • @blairbreland1443
    @blairbreland1443 3 года назад +8

    Great videos here is a little tip for cooling off your barrel. Stand your gun barrel up action open for what they call the stovepipe effect. Cuts down on cooling times.

  • @justforkicks4499
    @justforkicks4499 3 года назад +2

    Ahh.. living vicariously through johnny during the supply shortage. Things to be thankful for...

  • @stevem83
    @stevem83 3 года назад +3

    I love your videos, but I would actually be interested in seeing you revisit some “intro to reloading” videos. Those helped me so much and are still my favorites. You could go over things that you still do, things you do differently, steps you’ve eliminated or improved upon, new technology since then, etc... I would love another series like that

  • @epfd217
    @epfd217 3 года назад +2

    Johnny in a component crunch - I think we'll shoot a hundred rounds of magnums using more than 1 pound of powder. LOL Glad to see a new video!

  • @tinncan
    @tinncan 3 года назад +21

    "This charge weight is a complete guess." Let's see how this plays out...

    • @texpatriot8462
      @texpatriot8462 3 года назад

      “I should have looked at the instructions, but ...”

  • @brucepreston3927
    @brucepreston3927 3 года назад +1

    I'm so happy to see a new video! I've been checking a couple times a month...I really need to start watch the twitch streams...I don't even shoot 300WM but it sure is fun to watch!!! Thanks for all the hard work, we all appreciate it!

  • @SuperJohnnybegoode
    @SuperJohnnybegoode 3 года назад

    Hello! I'm Johnny B from Ohio and I too have a reloading bench! Haha. Love your videos. I learn a lot from watching you. Thank you very much for what you do!!

  • @DummyRound
    @DummyRound 3 года назад +4

    Great stuff! Can't wait for you to go full time 🇺🇸👊👍

  • @DanDustEmOff
    @DanDustEmOff 3 года назад +5

    You should give Gordon's Reloading Tool a try for working out powder charges when you don't have data. It's a free download for Windows and is similar to Quickload.

  • @JeremiahHartmanPhotography
    @JeremiahHartmanPhotography 3 года назад

    Thank you for this series. I just had my Mauser re-chambered in 300wm and about to start working up loads. You've been a great help sir!

  • @cfoutdoors0624
    @cfoutdoors0624 3 года назад

    I’m getting a kick out of myself sitting here rooting you on as you’re shooting! When that last opens up the groups I’m like “awe crap!”

  • @jeff48111
    @jeff48111 3 года назад

    Damn this video took some work! Caught myself holding my breath for the fifth shot on the ELDX/RL26 string. Great video man

  • @Nonedw
    @Nonedw 3 года назад

    Thanks JRB! Glad to see you back at the bench.

  • @thomasdaum1927
    @thomasdaum1927 3 года назад

    Thanks for doing all this experimenting for us , this saves us many hours and hundreds of dollars ! We can now start with ( what works ) and fine tune it to our rifles ! Much appreciated !!!

  • @AZIROC
    @AZIROC 3 года назад

    Love your videos, thanks for coming back after taking a break. I do the same thing when I get a new barrel/caliber. Ill take different bullets and powders and do a load work up. I hate doing them because its very time consuming but the end result is what makes it worth it.

  • @hankbrinlee4677
    @hankbrinlee4677 3 года назад +3

    I usually coat the expander mandrel with dry lube and run a case up into it, easy to see how far up the mandrel the neck goes...just to set it all up.

  • @jameshagerman7681
    @jameshagerman7681 3 года назад +1

    Seems like some more testing with the Partitions and H1000 is in order. That bullet at those velocities is gonna be a dang wrecking ball.

  • @AkA-me-Kenny2
    @AkA-me-Kenny2 3 года назад +3

    This may sound stupid, but I'd love to know how you shoot so well, with every caliber you load for! Thanks for another great video!!!

  • @javiersp01
    @javiersp01 3 года назад

    hi Johnny! thanks for taking your time recording this video, awesome, now you can stick and keep working up on 220´s and 240´s handloads. Cheers from Argentina

  • @dylanharrah9127
    @dylanharrah9127 3 года назад

    Every time I watch one of your videos, I feel like I’m listening to norm McDonald behind a reloading bench. Love the videos, always a good laugh thanks.

  • @HondaRiderX17
    @HondaRiderX17 3 года назад

    Not only did you find a bullet you also found a great load from 2 different powders going very similar volocitys both with low SDs. In the middle of a pandemic might I add. You struck gold.

  • @glen4130
    @glen4130 3 года назад +1

    I award you one viewer engagement point.

  • @jasonw598
    @jasonw598 3 года назад +1

    I love .300 Win! I owed a savage that unfortunately I had to sell after having my first baby and was between jobs. I plan on getting another real soon!! I bought some reloads off and old guy at the local flea market that were marked "Butterfly Rounds." I'm not sure the gr. I'll have to dig out a box and check. Anyway, they shot great!! He knew what he was doing!

  • @PC-vq5ud
    @PC-vq5ud 3 года назад

    Yeaaaah!!! Massive test, have to love it. Savage 110 working good for a mag.

  • @flydriveride
    @flydriveride 3 года назад +1

    Are you going to revisit the Mk248 with the Peterson Longs? Have you considered something similar with Berger 215s or 230s?

  • @rmbettac
    @rmbettac 3 года назад

    Holy cow that 240 MK and your rifle are peanut butter and jelly!!! So cool to see you trying a wild spread of bullets.

  • @subshooting8414
    @subshooting8414 3 года назад

    Thanks for another great video JRB.

  • @ashleypalmer7983
    @ashleypalmer7983 3 года назад +3

    The big magnums are a tough nut. First there’s the recoil, especially from the bench. Second is the expectation. With all that powder and speed, can you get a rifle to shoot sub 0.3 inches AT ALL much less consistently. The last one is barrel life. The typical 300 Win Mag has a match accuracy life of 1200-1500 rounds. What shoots today might not be the best 200 rounds from now. But with multiple loads shooting well under 1 inch, this rifle IS a shooter!.

  • @ABSOLUTE410
    @ABSOLUTE410 3 года назад +1

    Love the videos! Is the lyman gen 6 still kicking?

  • @guitarplayer1434
    @guitarplayer1434 3 года назад +2

    bought 3000 large rifle primers at Cabelas friday .... It was like following the rainbow and finding the pot-o-gold, of course can't get hands on powder

    • @jamespugh
      @jamespugh 3 года назад

      Lol I'm seeing powder drops here in their all about how munch willing pay in hazmatt. Or keep check local small shops

    • @jamespugh
      @jamespugh 3 года назад

      Suprized let get 3000 primers.. like find 100 or 200

    • @TheMrkylester101
      @TheMrkylester101 3 года назад +1

      Just baught 8kgs of powder last week

  • @jassonco
    @jassonco 3 года назад

    The term "stacking tolerances" comes to mind, when using some of those powders, cold weather and also the 147gr bullet.

  • @coyotesniper72
    @coyotesniper72 3 года назад

    I love this stuff. Who knew learning could be fun. It drives my buddy nuts when I do this. But he’s learned to just let me go and we can make his rifles better.

  • @bepropheta6665
    @bepropheta6665 3 года назад

    I’ve had hang fires in my 300wsm and my sons 338 win mag with H414. Always figured it was the ball powder but never had anyone back that up. Thanks for talking about it a little and a great video as always.

    • @bepropheta6665
      @bepropheta6665 3 года назад

      150gr in the 300 and 200gr in the 338 so I wonder if it’s because of the light bullet for caliber like your experience...

    • @duckwacker8720
      @duckwacker8720 3 года назад

      Heavier crimp or compressed loads can help

    • @bepropheta6665
      @bepropheta6665 3 года назад

      @@duckwacker8720 Thanks, they were on they min side of charges too so I was going to step them up some to see if that took care of it.

  • @josephyankoskie506
    @josephyankoskie506 3 года назад

    Wipe the barrel with a microfiber cloth to get all the oils from your fingers off of it. We have to do that with our clay competition shotguns when it gets really hot.

  • @johntaylor2840
    @johntaylor2840 3 года назад

    176 A-tip with 76.1g of N560. 5 rounds group in my savage was .44moa with new Norma Brass. Best group yet.

  • @greasemonkeyviking384
    @greasemonkeyviking384 3 года назад

    Been anxiously waiting for this video man!! Awesome! Looks like the 240 SMK is ganna be a shooter!

  • @RisenCitizen
    @RisenCitizen 3 года назад +1

    Great video my good sir! I love seeing broad tests like this for fun and to see what the gun likes. You'd probably have to single load them, but I would be curious to see you try the Berger 245g EOL bullets in that gun.
    If you can't find those bullets anywhere, message me and I'll see if I can get my hands on some.

  • @Drgoodfunk
    @Drgoodfunk 3 года назад

    I just finished breaking in ye ol -06 got some great starting work ups; it’s cool to see you do similar stuff in your new LA rifle

  • @jamesgbriley4471
    @jamesgbriley4471 3 года назад

    Very interesting video Johnny! Glad you’re face is still ok buddy!😉

  • @btumminaro
    @btumminaro 3 года назад

    My 110 precision does well with 75.4 grains of IMR7977 and 220 BTHP. Loving these videos!

    • @benjamintondre8593
      @benjamintondre8593 3 года назад

      What is the COAL for this round? what is the measurement to the lands for your gun?

  • @r.awilliams9815
    @r.awilliams9815 3 года назад

    I looked at some data from an older Hodgdon manual (#26), and the only BL-C (2) data was for the 110 grain bullet, the load topped out at 61 grains.

  • @fortdefense9453
    @fortdefense9453 2 года назад

    That 220 eldx is amazing in my savage .308... gives hell to cinder blocks...

  • @zachgilpin3504
    @zachgilpin3504 3 года назад

    Pretty sure I just ate dinner in one bite. 300WM+Johnny reloading= my dream. Just finished howa 300wm 175lrx 1/2 MOA at 100yrds. 🙌🏻

  • @jamespugh
    @jamespugh 3 года назад

    Awesome video Johnny . Narrowing down that load for up coming deer session in Match session

  • @NOorah-oj8gt
    @NOorah-oj8gt Год назад

    I've been using cip length accurate mags as well as AI 338 Lapua mags that I bent the feed lips in my accuracy international ax chassis rem700 and they have been flawless no matter how you run the bolt.

  • @CJ-ty8sv
    @CJ-ty8sv 3 года назад

    11:24 Not sure how much you've investigated factory mag problems but I can tell you that at least part of the problem with the factory savage mag(s) that comes with the 110 Pres. 300WM like you have is the spring. It catches inside on the (if I recall correctly) front indents that are just ahead of the neck of the cartridge. The spring is too wide and binds up on those indents.
    If you pull the mag apart, you will notice that the spring is narrowed near the other indents but they didn't take the narrowing far enough and so when the follower gets a little slanted, the spring also slants and then binds. This is what's causing the random loading problem where you might load one or two cartridges into the mag and then all of a sudden you cant get the next one in and also is the cause of the random event where you'll chamber a cartridge, fire in, eject in and go to chamber another and it wont be up high enough for the bottom of the bolt head to catch and strip it.
    This might also be causing that "pop-up" issue that you were having in the first video (where the cartridge was popping up to high and then would jam). Cant say for sure though because mine never has had that problems BUT at the same time, I discovered the spring issue mentioned above after loading and firing the first mag and subsequently pulled it apart, realized what was happening and fixed it by lighting grinding the spring on each side with a flap disc on a 4" grinder to narrow it like it is in the other narrowed area. Since doing that, I haven't had a single load, strip, chamber issue but I also only have about 150 rounds down the tube.

  • @wolf0994
    @wolf0994 3 года назад

    .300 WM is the go to where I'm at. Thanks for doing these, helps out. That 240 seems to be the ticket.

  • @garrytalley8009
    @garrytalley8009 2 года назад

    Quite an interesting video I might say. Not many people would have even wasted all that powder to shoot those light bullets. I did find it interesting. I have a 300 Win Mag in a Remington Sendero that shoots under a minute at 300 yards with Sierra Game King bullets and AA-4350. I am looking at buying a Savage Tactical and working up some 180 grains plus bullet loads. I have many guns and just work up a specific hunting load for all of them and then make a supply of bullets, so I have them for hunting season. I may experiment more with the Tactical Rifle though. I have a farm that I have decided to do my shooting at, and I have a very long field that would be nice to be able to shoot my deer at the end of it. The range I use to shoot at has temporarily closed due to a major tornado. Not sure how long it will be before they reopen.

  • @watcher01a17
    @watcher01a17 3 года назад

    Let's see this big girl again sometime soon Johhny. Maybe with some 245 Bergers and the 250 Hornady. Or just refining the 240 MK load some more.

  • @brettharden1828
    @brettharden1828 3 года назад +1

    The M80 bullets are actually meant to be inaccurate. They are meant for machine guns like the M60 and M240. The more instability they have in flight the larger the cone of fire and the beaten zone down range.

  • @YetiMama
    @YetiMama 3 года назад

    Dude I love your videos. I think those flyers are just changing sight picture slightly bc you’re having to check brass for pressure signs and all.

  • @charlesstreet5030
    @charlesstreet5030 3 года назад

    Couple of real good prospects there. That 240g looked good for moose.

  • @TheHybridHunter307
    @TheHybridHunter307 3 года назад

    I tried countless bullets from 180gr and up for my 300WM 110 Long Range Hunter. Finally settled on the Berger 215 Hybrid with H1000. It screams att 2891fps

  • @larryreed5714
    @larryreed5714 3 года назад

    I'd like to that 240 MK w/ H1000. Great video!

  • @samuelberryhill6956
    @samuelberryhill6956 3 года назад

    Good video man out of those id stick with the portions and eldx for hunting and shoot the others 165 grain and higher for paper.looks like a good shooting rifle I may have to pick me up one

  • @manderson63190
    @manderson63190 3 года назад +2

    Man, I'd love to have those z-max for blackout.

  • @TSmitty85
    @TSmitty85 3 года назад

    Surprised you didn't push the throat back for the heavy hitters. Great video as always sir!

  • @LLYdirtymax
    @LLYdirtymax 3 года назад +1

    Johnny you need to try Berger 215 hybrids and h1000 should end up around 77 grains (work up). This is the best combination for 300 wm.

  • @72codeman
    @72codeman 3 года назад

    I put my 110 in 300 win mag in an mdt chassis with the cip length magazine and have had zero feeding issues. Also there is one gun that actually likes 147 fmj’s- my 1903a3 shoots them really well with h4895

  • @Bannaclip
    @Bannaclip 3 года назад

    Love your content keep it up can't wait to see more Johnny

  • @edwardwells5864
    @edwardwells5864 3 года назад

    I have a lot of experience with that 125 SST. Its perfect for the 300 black out and the 7.62x39 (.311 diameter) is about the max velocity level you can push this bullet at and it not perform like a Light varmint load and desingrate on impact. At 2400 fps I get about 11 inch of penetration on Texas Deer. Beyond that and this bullet is definitely for varmints only or paper punching. In my 308 it doesnt hold together on impact at moderate velocities very well.

  • @Murderface666
    @Murderface666 3 года назад

    If thats the brownells chassis, be weary of the night vision hood for it. I have the Remington 700 version in the same color and I had to take it to a gunsmith, because the screw holes werent exactly aligned.

  • @Mr257weatherby
    @Mr257weatherby 3 года назад

    You can eliminate most of the hang fires by pointing the rifle toward the sky so the powder column falls towards the primer. Still not safe of course but may be more consistent.

  • @jasonmynheir4139
    @jasonmynheir4139 3 года назад

    Thanks, JRB!

  • @nortah
    @nortah 3 года назад

    I would love to see that partition load shot again and see it shot with 180gr accubonds as well. I’ll have to look at the data I run but I think Im shooting 77gr of H1000 and a 180 grain accubond Winchester wlmr primers and sig brass. My load is pretty tame but I’m shooting it out of a Thompson encore with a 22” 1/10 twist barrel. I’ve been flirting with switching to Retumbo but I really like the way it’s been shooting. Love your videos and wish you could do more on 22-250.

  • @NSghostoif5
    @NSghostoif5 3 года назад

    I love these videos cant get enough

  • @nathanm8921
    @nathanm8921 3 года назад

    I love when new videos come out, don't have time for twitch but I have time for RUclips

    • @neilharris4462
      @neilharris4462 3 года назад

      You can watch the streams after it has aired on twitch. I end up doing that as I'm stuck at work on Tuesday nights.

  • @dne1301
    @dne1301 3 года назад

    Whenever I use a load that leaves a lot of air in the case, I use magnum primers and I get much better, more consistent ignition....

  • @chrissherwin89
    @chrissherwin89 3 года назад

    New to the channel and absolutely love it. I was wondering if you have a video of some long range data for 6.5 creedmoor.

  • @reaford2004
    @reaford2004 3 года назад

    This was good stuff. Thanks jrb

  • @oldschooljack3479
    @oldschooljack3479 3 года назад

    A few things...
    I noticed adjusting your suppressor cover helped with fliers... Might figure out a way to keep it from sliding around on you.
    And...
    I have a hard time with labeling 4000 MR as a ball powder. It's an extruded stick that's rounded on one end. I think it's a decent powder, I just wish there was more load data for it.

  • @kylestubblefield3404
    @kylestubblefield3404 3 года назад

    My Dad's hunting load for his winchester model 70 300win mag is 69.5gr of 4350 with a nosler partition. shoots sub moa, and that's good enough.

  • @kylewalton7005
    @kylewalton7005 3 года назад

    careful with the rl26 johnny. last january i made up 50 rounds in 300winmag. shot great at 40 degrees. shot it again in may at 90degrees and about had a case head separation on three rounds. advertising as a non temperature sensitive i thought it would be good but it scared the crap out if me. pulled the rest of the bullets.

  • @johnmoore2346
    @johnmoore2346 3 года назад

    Glad to see you are well stocked. It is amazing Germany produced ammo and rockets till the last days of the war while being bombarded from the west and the east and American industry can't keep up with civilian demand during winter time.

  • @MrMastablasta117
    @MrMastablasta117 3 года назад

    Johnny, I know the fancy electric shot tracker is great but have you ever considered going back to recording the paper target?

  • @StewartCountyBallistics
    @StewartCountyBallistics 3 года назад +7

    Johnny is going to have a sore shoulder lmao lol

    • @LWRoad
      @LWRoad 3 года назад

      You know that's right!

  • @benjaminbrown1179
    @benjaminbrown1179 3 года назад

    Maybe push your loads out to 200 yards with these heavy 30 cals just to see how they are really stabilizing. I learned this the hard way with excellent groups at 100, but opening up weird like at 2. Talked to a 1000 yard world record holder in heavy gun class and he advised me to do all of my load tests at 2 for my 300 win mag. Especially using 200 plus grain pillz. Loved the range of projectile weights, and pulling these loads outta thin air. Looks like a good shooting rifle!

  • @benjamintondre8593
    @benjamintondre8593 3 года назад

    Really interested, what is the COAL to the lands for the Savage 110 precision? thanks

  • @anthonyswan4785
    @anthonyswan4785 3 года назад

    I’m not sure if this has been suggested or not but being your using a savage in a MDT chassis. Have you thought about using their magazines? I have a savage axis in 308 set in the MDT LSS chassis and don’t have an issue with their magazine.

  • @terrycalvert7812
    @terrycalvert7812 3 года назад

    You should give the 195Gr Sierra tipped match kings in your rifle I tried them in my rem 700 cdl 300 win and litterley over 5 grains of powder at 20 tho off the lands with RL 26 71 to 76 gr my gun shot every single load into less than .680 most were under half inch. That’s a first for me iv never had a bullet that just flat out shot no matter the charge it was something to see. Iv been telling all my buddys about them and a lot of them are coming back telling me about similar results all saying under inch over several grains of RL 26. That may be some kind of sweet combo that works in several rifles and brands just a thought I know you like to experiment would be well worth the time and components by the experience me and a few other people are seeing

  • @formulajoe2
    @formulajoe2 3 года назад

    I’d like to see some fine tuning with the 240SMK with RL26 and 7977. H1000 should be a good fit with that bullet as well and possibly even Retumbo or RL33.

  • @alfieber
    @alfieber 3 года назад

    What would your three shot groups be? Velocity, group, SD ect.

  • @bencase5120
    @bencase5120 3 года назад

    I didnt realize you had a twitch. Hopefully I'll be watching videos on there here soon

  • @nathandavis1770
    @nathandavis1770 3 года назад

    Have you considered adding weights to the rail for recoil dampening? And hows the recoil with the brake vs the suppressor?

  • @stanlucas1932
    @stanlucas1932 3 года назад

    215 Berger, 75.5 H1000, 15thou jump. MONEY!!!

  • @rexkreusel4127
    @rexkreusel4127 3 года назад

    As some others have stated ... I prefer to see the perforated paper targets ... they don’t fail to mark because of ‘unrealistic performance characteristics’ or whatever...

  • @tommyj7087
    @tommyj7087 3 года назад

    how did you pick 0.3055" madrel? I am looking into these now and don't want to buy a bunch of different mandrels. I was thinking .002" below the bullet diameter. Looks like you went a little more, .0025".

  • @justsnuggle
    @justsnuggle 3 года назад

    Those are amazing groups for random loads I can't believe it Nice work. I'd be happy with any of those except the 147 of course. Is that all rifle or Good combinations?

  • @neilharris4462
    @neilharris4462 3 года назад

    I have found with 21st Century expander mandrels that they store great in a 223/5.56 ammo box.