I don't think Apothis was attacked because he lost 2 ships, I think he was attack because he lost to humans. Aside from a few anomalys before that no system lord had ever lost to anyone else besides another system lord. It's sort of like if you found out China lost 2 tank battalions to some random hunter gatherer tribe nobody had ever heard of before, they could take the losses sure but it would call their competence into question.
@VampireNewl true, but Herur’ur lost two ships to the the Tollan. Granted the Tollan are way more advance than Earth was. But I think I found it so odd because he ultimately lost after he was attacked. Seems like if he was more powerful he should have stood up to it a little better.
@@sg-24 True but I don't know if the goa'uld would consider it as bad a defeat. While Earth was at the time considered an unknown backwards planet the goa'uld did know about the Tollan and how dangerous they were so Heru'ur loosing to them wouldn't really be seen as "weak".
@@sg-24 You need to take into account the loss of troops on board the 2 ships as well, we have seen in the show that a skeleton crew can operate a Ha'tak for all we know Herur’ur could have lost a handful of Jaffa on board those 2 ships. But losing the Serpent guard the equivalent of your knights or nobility, along with some of your more veteran troops, in a feudal society is going to have an impact on your ability to govern your domain. It's not something you can replace quickly, it took Apophis a few years to mobilise that force to begin with. The Goa'uld may control many worlds but most are populated with slaves, they are relying on there fleets and armies to project control over those worlds, you saw how often SG1 would visit a slave world, where there is no one there garrisoning it, they only get the occasional visit from the local Goa'uld's forces to pick up resources, hosts etc..
@@sg-24 The Tollan are a known factor. They are highly advanced. Losing two ships to them isn’t as embarrassing as losing to a group of humans with no space presence or anti-orbital capabilities. It’s shows him to be incompetent in the extreme.
I think: losing two ships and many serpent guards to a planet that (save for ..let's say like 1000 people) doesn't even know there is life outside of their planet...well that will make you look weak. If (at least) two major system lords jump on you, I can see why.
Yeah He really lost way more space cred than anything Else. I mean apophis Made the Invasion of earth a father son Bonding experience but this goes hillariously wrong
Sokar is the only one that could pull it together. The goa'uld rule by fear, and the only one they would actually fear (other than anubis, who would be the best option but can't work in universe) is sokar
It could be that even Anubis feared Sokar. After all, he didn't attack the system lords immediately after Ra's death. Instead, he attacked after Sokar's death.
Probably Chronos or Yu, they could use fear and diplomacy to keep everyone in line and on the same page. Granted Sokar and Anubis had the best tech but they usually just bulldozed everyone to get their way. Not a great long term strategy
Anubis has one thing over all the other solar system is he ascended being. Basically, he is the closest thing to being a god, with alot of the Ancient knowledge, only dripping into it when thing get tough. And he can't be killed, since many jaffe are quick to switching side after their god is killed, Anubis would take around body. It took another ascend being just to neutralize him or their knowledge like melirn to defeat the ori.
@Bloody Simile oh I agree I was purely thinking about temperament as a ruler. Also Anubis might not have acendend/descended yet as he didn't show up until 2001. Four years after Ra's death
Yu wasnt warlike anymore he was content. He was also in decline mentally. I wish we saw him at his peak but he was not. Chronos influence was probably his military might and the others didnt want to challenge him so he had influence over him
@@jonreese7066 Yes but Chronos knew how to be a diplomat and to reach agreements with enemies, not all goa'uld can do that due to their massive pride and ego.
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5:06 I've wondered for a while if Ra maybe had a replicator in storage and someone unleashed his stash on the Asgard knowing that it would distract them?
Anubis is most likely candidate who can rule the empire for eternal. Him being ascended being make him the closest of being a god and is, in all sense, immortal. Any would be assassin by system lord, Anubis can take another body. Along with most ancient that he only tap into when back into a corner. His super soldier was design by his understanding of ancient knowledge. He likely tap into knowledge minimum out of caution of other ancient ascended to see how much he can truly get away with. Hence why he rise to power was slow and in serect. He could grow more powerful with millions of followers much like Ori. A war with Anubis and Ori will be a war of belief with each sides fighting for their "respective gods" The only method to defeat an Ascended being is interferences by another, trap into eternal battle which he ultimately fall fated to. Or another Ascended being like Merlin to create the device to stop the Ori. SG1 (and main characters power) needed help by ascended Daniel Jackson and ancient technology to defeat him. Otherwise he would likely won.
Anubis was probably the next candidate to be the supreme system lord but the cool thing about the feudal system is that there could still be system lords out there with jaffa populations that were never freed.
Great breakdown of a very interesting alternate universe! I don't think he would have ever become anyone of extreme power, but I always wonder what happened to Seth in all of the alternate timelines of Stargate over the years. I only mention this because I recently picked up the 2 novel sequels to the original film (which obviously ignores all of SG-1 canon so it makes it completely unrelated) but it's interesting that they went with Hathor as the follow-up to Ra.
@Windgrace thank you for the nice comment. I always felt they should have done more with Seth, especially given his importance in mythology. I actually plan to do a breakdown of the movie OG continuity since SG is turning 30 or something this year.
@@sg-24 Yeah, I kind of agree. Still, they probably weren't too worried with keeping everyone around for 10 seasons at that point in the show. I guess the actor may not have been around for any future returns even if they wanted to use him. I think his story could have been built into the whole NID conspiracy storyline. They may have scoured the planet and found his stockpile of tech etc. Oh that's a cool idea. I can't wait to see it!
remember in the series that hathor was imprisoned in a sarcophagus on earth at the time of the death of ra and wouldnt be released till the middle of the first season which would be almost 2 years after ra's death
@@stevendubin3584 Good call! These books are set in a completely alternate universe, though. I just think it's interesting that they went with a character that SG-1 used in such a different way
Conversely, Heru'ur (I can't spell his name) *might* have known the Asgard were otherwise occupied, and was gambling that they weren't able to do anything about it. No proof for this, just speculation, arising from my long speculation that the Asgard were so nice to earth not so much because they were nice (Though they certainly were nce), but because the Go'a'uld were a lingering problem, and we were a good low-risk way of getting 'the locals' to keep the Go'a'uld occupied, thereby making the Asgard situation more secure. This is off topic, I just wonder sometimes.
One thing to consider is that there's a very big difference between who would be the best system lord to rule the empire and who would actually be able to take it over. If the Goa'uld were to, for lack of a better word, "elect" a new Supreme System Lord then I think Chronos would be the most likely, or at least least unlikely. Many times the person at the top doesn't get there by being the best but by better serving the interests of those who can influence who gets there and Chronos being a bit of a brute would have made him easier to control while not being as blunt a tool as Heru'ur. Heru'ur would have probably wanted to conquer the Goa'uld empire rather than be handed the top spot.
I think of the old guard Lord Yu as the best to take the throne of Supreme System Lord as he ran his part of the empire without the need to expand to the extent of the other system lord. Also with Apophis, I think he had the bulk of his Jaffa on the two motherships he brought to Earth that combined with his defeat at Earth weakened his forces and so he was weak in foot soldiers, and the ones left behind switched sides to a system lord they felt was stronger. It is in a lot of ways a moot point as even if the Replicators never came to the Milk Way, Anubis would have crushed any now Supreme System Lord if he wasn't stopped by Oma Desala.
I'm going with an unexpected candidate, Nirrti. Technology was biggest factor in victory against pretty much all the villains of the show. Heru'ur can stomp out earth by sending a fleet of ships. He can probably kick out the Asgard. He might even be able to defeat Sokar with the combined forces of the System Lords. But once the Replicators and Anubis show up, he's screwed. Nirrti was the only System Lord interested in developing new science and technology. Even Ba'al wasn't that scientifically inclined until he started getting access to advanced technology from Anubis. Nirrti is the only one who might be able to develop countermeasures against bigger threats like the Replicators, Anubis, and the Ori (if they ever show up).
@KingOfMadCows fun fact that is lore accurate. In the RPG books it was said that Nirrti didn’t care much for the politics of the Gou’ald, and was more interesting in developing a new advanced human host.
I think a lot of it depends on how Ra came to power in the first place, and we really don't know that. All we know is that the Go'a'uld were dying for some unstated reason, and Ra discovered humans, which made vastly better hosts than the Unas had, and somehow 12,000 years later he's the grand poobah of the galaxy. (I presume it had something to do with his temporary monopoly on human hosts, but that's just speculation on my part). So not knowing that (Though I have my theories), it's hard to figure out what someone else could have done. The way feudalistic empires work is basically this: some guy runs stuff, and all the local lords are at least nominally somewhat at his beck and call, owe him service in his wars, or taxes, or whatever. This is more like 'protection money' than loyalty. They basically do this for convenience, and also so he'll leave them alone. To prevent any local lord from becoming powerful enough to threaten him, the emperor will periodically set one or more lords against each other, which usually doesn't resolve much, but it weakens all sides, and solidifies the position of the emperor. (Dune is a pretty good portrait of this) I've long suspected (in universe) this is why all the Go'a'uld use basically the same kinds of ships, weapons, armor, etc. I assume Ra dictated what kind of weapons and tech levels were allowable in a conflict, so if someone came out on top it was by subterfuge and strategy, not superweapons, which would massively upset his status quo. This might also explain why we keep stumbling across secret projects that were abandoned for one way or another, like telepathic hosts, or whatever the heck was going on with Jonas' people: Attempts to circumvent the status quo inobtrusively. Out of universe, of course, the reason is simply that it costs a lot of money to design new weapons and costumes for new Go'a'uld every week. Incidentally, this is why, I think, Ba'al was so good: he seems to have been the one Go'a'uld to have been able to adapt. We're repeatedly told he's new, young, up and coming, and he far and away displays the most flexibility of thought of all the Go'a'uld, whereas the others are VERY set in their ways. As a quick aside, I don't think the Go'a'uld empire was particularly limited. They appear to have been everywhere in the galaxy, there doesn't seem to be a 'border' to their space, apart from a few forgotten worlds, protected planets, and the few major powers that the Go'a'uld didn't want to mess with. (Such as the Nox). Every other major player alien species (Such as the Furlings, or the babylonian who faked Daniel's death) seem to be pretty much extinct. Much like earth is divied up between a couple hundred countries, and there's no more 'out' you can go, really, the Go'a'uld had divied up the galaxy. I think. Sorry to be so longwinded. Anyway, in answer to your question: Lord Yu. Lord Yu had the best chance. He was more pragmatic than the rest, and his humans and Jaffa actually seemed to genuinely love him, rather than obeying out of fear, and he had no interest in this 'pretending to be a god' thing, and he treated his people well. He was also far and away the oldest, apart from Ra. Granted, he had space Alzheimer's so his reign may not have lasted long, but I think he's the best shot, simply because he has qualities the others didn't have: Experience, Wisdom, and the genuine loyalty of his followers.
@Mahatma Randy The RPG books filled in/retcond in some of the details of how Ra came to power. Basically he and Anubis were rivals during the previous ruler of the empire, Anubis killed and ate the leader (yes) and tried to declare himself emperor. Ra fought against him, won, and declared himself Supreme System Lord. Carrying over some of the “progressive” reforms from the previous leader. Funny enough the RPG books do back up that Yu was liked by his people. Kind of, it was more he wasn’t unnecessarily cruel.
@@sg-24 I haven't read any of the deuterocanonical stuff like that, I've only got the TV shows to go on, so you've got an advantage over me there. Yu was portrayed in the show fairly positively. He actually forged temporary alliances with the SGC, for instance and I thought it was interesting that Daniel pointed out that Yu wasn't a god in Chinese lore, he was a "Cultural Hero." Which, I suppose, was supposed to imply he was unlike the rest. Not "Good" mind you, just not as bad.
I like your point about their territory being so huge. With the gates as a primary means of travel, each System Lord planets could be so spread out that fleet could not defend very well. Might have your primary planets protected but not really very many. Perhaps that was Ra’s plan. He bestowed certain planets to his vassals not regions of space.
@@dorkavenger42 Yeah! See we tend to think of space in terms of lines on a map, and the volume between them, but there’s a trillion stars in the galaxy, and gates can go anywhere within 100,000 LY, so an empire or kingdom or “country” could be a hundred worlds strewn across the entire disk. They don’t need to be in any kind of physical proximity to each other at all.
In my book, there are two viable candidates to rule the gouald empire and prevent it from falling; Baal would do a very good job in preserving the empire and status quo, by getting others to work with him and by using political assets and military force in equal measure. While Anubis would certainly take the empire forward in a progressive direction of technological and militarily enhancements, but in order to do so would have to conquer them all or show how it is futile to resist him visa kull warriors to force surrender and obseiance to his rule.
I think Ra was the unique one because he held them together by merit and history. He found the first new hosts. He had the biggest military. He redirected their anger towards the Asgards as he let them fight one another while he stayed on top... so mediaeval feudalism at it's finest/worst. The issue all three of the others simply faced was the lack of a key attribute. Bal? Quite ironically his greatest advancement to power was from Earth. Even then after going back and time to conquer everyone else... Quite frankly he wanted to sit on earth and mock the earth president while having a good laugh. He had enjoyed Earth more than the other system lords and had left them confused even more when he went back in time because he had changed and most of them despite being thousands of years old... were stagnate. Even then Bal was an odd one as he even cloned himself to have a system lord council of himself. He did have the tendency to take stuff and try to be the top leader, but he went after other systems lords after taking Anubis stuff instead of raiding earth who by this point was considered deadly enough to be considered a real threat to even send a System Lord fleet to attack Earth or be given the 'honorary roll' of playing the Asgard peacekeeping force who solved disputes between System Lords and made sure everyone played fair. Apophis? I kind of thought he was the most hated of the group. While he did have a military his everyone kind of hated him and as he progressed he had taken more risks... like making a human host with all the knowledge of his species which was a major taboo. Even when he had a big army that should have let him do more everyone just kept attacking him. So his political score with all the other system lords was pretty low and everyone else was looking for an excuse to declare war before arguing who got to keep what from his stuff. Sort of how every goa'uld would have went out and declared war to kill Anubis, but he had built up his forces and secret and only then revealed himself when they kind of needed him to patch up the holes in their empire... and more of his older or powerful foes who knew him and could fight him lacked the military might to defeat him outright. Chronos... well I put him next on the slot after Apohis is diplomatic relationships. Mostly their main problem was that after Ra died they didn't have anyone who filled out the proper Military, Political, or legal standing position. Made even worse as by the time SG1 the TV show happened... everyone broke down and fought one another. Sort of like how the Roman Empire collapsed and you were left with the medieval age where there was no one strong induvial who could claim control so everything fell apart with people setting up their own smaller kingdoms. Still it was a nice deep dive to see what could have happened and why it also could have failed regardless.
I think Ra discovering human he used as leverage to the other. basically, I have humans. If you want them, swear loyal to me." Top with the fact they fighting the asgad As their multiple humans colony, and truce with the asgads, Ra powerbase quickly shrink as the other systems lords seek their own agenda.
I am going to say Yu-huang Shang Ti would make the best supreme system lord. That is at least temporarily. True, other system lords suspected he was old and weakening. However, it would make sense to allow him to unify the system lords at least outwardly. That would allow one of the strongest system lords to consolidate power and claim supreme system lord title.
the elusive episode u may be looking for i think is " seth" where jacob displays a hologram of the goa'uld family tree on a pyramid , with ra and hathor birthing many siblings , then they chose queens and so on
Sokar is the only Goa'uld I would ever take seriously in my life. Jaffa are no one to screw around with but most system lords are just joke supervillians. Sokar was a freaking demon and I would piss myself just being in the room with that monster. There's a reason the writers killed him off by blowing up an entire planet and moon.
@@jeffbrownstain Yeah. I always thought it was a shame that they killed him off after only two episodes. Sokar and Anubis were the two most terrifying Goa'uld in the series, and they could have done a lot more stories around both of them. At least we got a number of episodes with Anubis.
@@Apollonos Even Anubis was a little bit too 'supervillian' for my taste. They put too much Apophis in him: just giving him a scary voice doesn't mate him powerful, and he showed himself as rather 'okay' in most confrontations. Anubis HAD to end with Oma: there was no reason for them to kill Sokar except they knew he was too badass for the story they wanted to tell.
I know Stargate the movie and tv series had some little difference but jay davidson was a beautiful RA he carried the part of a great villain he was truly believable as the supreme system lord
The loss of two ships being the deciding factor could simply be that his other forces were spread thin over a large empire. Say he kept one ship in each of 20 major/central systems and the two ships are his "manoeuvre element", reinforcing where needed. Then he'd have more ships than Yu, and an opponent would have to dedicate 4 ships to guaranteed they'd take any one system. But if those free ships were destroyed, suddenly he has to reinforce with ships garisoning other systems to get local superiority against an attacker, and that opens him up to attacks from other System Lords on the systems he pulled ships out of. The attacker only needs to outfight what you can send to fight them, not your entire military. Tl:dr he can have the largest empire and the largest fleet and still feel the loss of 2 ships.
Daniel was the one who mentions that Apophis was Ra. "No, he's Apophis, seprent god of night and brother of Ra. It's straight out of the Book of the Dead. They're living it out."
Everyone forgets the Aschen. (seriously they should have been the big bads of s9 and s10) An expansionist, successful system lords would have run into them eventually, resulting in the gould being wiped out by a bioengineered plague.
to be fair, the goa'uld are largely immune to that, and considering ones like nirti pretty adept at bio plagues themselves. the ashen try to neuter them only to realize years too late that the goa'uld just laughed at their attempt and sent the plague back at them.
I don't think that is what would have happened if the System Lords had came across them first. The Aschen with no knowledge of what the System Lords are would have fallen to the System Lords, if not from without but from within. The Aschen are too full of themselves, all that the Goa`uld would need to do is get a single one of themselves into the Aschen and their fall would have been assured.
Ra was the most powerful. He held power over all of them. His death led to a power vacuum because none of the others were strong enough to take his place. And since the Goa'uld were self-centered, egotistical, and devious, they continued to fight for the control that none of them could simply take outright.
Daniel Jackson mentions Apophis being Ra’s brother in “Children of the Gods,” commenting that Ra (the sun god) and Apophis (the serpent god) are basically living out the Egyptian Book of the Dead
I don't think its the lack of system lord, I think it is the Sarcophagus that doomed the Goa'uld empire. It made them lust for power while not thinking of the bigger picture or their legacy. Goa'uld that spent less time in it or have less corruption in their DNA are much more clear-minded and capable, like Anubis and Osiris. Keep in mind the Sarcophagus makes not just the singular Goa'uld evil, it corrupts the entire genetic memory line going forward.
I doubt That the sacrophagus IS that Bad ON the goa'uld mental health, remember WE effectively only See Humans get insane from that also i refuse to believe that the goa'ulds dont advance their Tech so their sacrophagus IS way better than the thousands years old the goa'ulds left for scrap possible damaged and Not mantained
I would say that by the time Ra was killed, he was "Supreme System Lord" in name only. His power relative to the other system lord declining to the extend that he was first among equals but nothing more
I don't think that is likely how it was. It was more likely that all were loyal to Ra, so he had the armies of all the others even over their own lords.
So something I have thought about is the technology that Ra had was so much more advanced than the others. Think about the armor, as Ra’s version could go from fully armored to beach wear then back while Teal’c could barely peek out of the snake mouth. Real world reason aside, that’s like nanotechnology that none of the others had. What if Ra had similar tech on his ship? Even if a rival damaged his ship, it could mend itself. This makes me think Ra only had one ship but it was considered invincible by the other System Lords. If Ra needed a large fleet, he could call on Apophis and Horu'ur. Apophis likely had a large fleet but loss of his 2 primary ships (best crews with best equipment perhaps from Ra) would have demoralized his troops that are true believers after all. Easy pickings for other System Lords.
There was a fan theory based upon the movie's ending that Ra had at one point had as Asgard as a host, that presumably some of his fancier tech was derived from the Asgard technology. I doubt that ship seen in the movie was his only ship but was probably his most powerful, may have been the one with the fancy Asgard technology. Either way Ra seemed to be so powerful he didn't do a lot of what the other System Lords did such as using the mass produced stuff or even using actual Jaffa, his "Jaffa" were all human.
It was said in one of the first 2 seasons just started to rewatch I think the Tokra were there in the episode idk if tokra were there maybe however it's said before season 3 which I just got to on may 27th.
I would really like to see Hathor manipulate her way to the top, provided Ra's succesor would conquer Earth before Sg-1 could kill her. She was always my favourite.
The world that the Heru`ur invaded was specifically NOT one of them included in the Protected Planets treaty. The Hammer of Thor had been on the planet to keep the Goa`uld off of it, if it had been part of the Protected Planets treaty the hammer would not have been needed.
Sokar was on his way to doing it and may have if Apophis didnt mess it all up and get himself killed not long after. Anubis then became this, regardless of if the title was used. He was by far and away the most powerful system lord, so much so that he dwarfed other lords combined forces. So in reality, Anubis definitely achieved this level of power, just did it through conquest rather than being elected.
One thing to consider is how long it actually took the rest of the System Lords to figure out Ra was actually dead and who did the deed. When Ra died it was only the loss of a single ship, what became of his fleet/army/domain in general, I assumed his son took most of it but I also assume other system lords took a sizeable chunk of it, preventing him from retaining the same level of power Ra had. I think its a case of, if they voted on who the next leader should be, they each would have used their vote on themselves, without a clear outside threat they refused to cooperate in general and did there own things, wasn't until the mystery threat of Anubis or the replicators appeared that they showed any interest in working together but by then the Empire was far too gone in my opinion. They all got use to spending decades or centuries to make decisions, when push came to shove they could not react in time.
@BNOBLE981 very true, and odds are if a situation like this were to happen it wouldn’t until the Summit episode, but I though it would be a fun what if.
i think Apophis was a major power within the system lord collective , the lost of his two powerful mother ship had started a chain reaction that cause his first downfall. Apophis probably had a lot of secret technologies , like his two mothership was very advance , and maybe even a satellite defense network from genetic memories of his son ( Harcesis Child ) , if that design was a real thing . Teal'c said it should take about a yr to reach Earth at 10 time the speed of light , but Apophis's ship reach Earth in about a day . Which mean Apophis probably was the first to reach new hyperdrive speed record around 3650 time the speed of light . I think apophis had probably invested a lot of resource into building the ship , a temporary down size of his force for a few yr in a planned expansion after the ship was finish , but Sg1 had destoryed them , and underling took the secret new hyperdrive to his enemy . After his fail invasion of Earth , some of his underlord who control Apophis's fleet switch side or deliberately slow in sending their fleet to help him . And also Teal's defection had cause a lot of embarrassment , i think he lost his place among the System Lord collective .
The lords themselves seem to go on missions they need to succeed, using thier best tech and centuries of skill to ensure victory. High risk, high reward. Once they have enough power they might as well use overwhelming force or honed strike teams with Jaffa who have hundreds of years of battle experience. The FINE I'LL DO IT MYSELF ethos strikes me as desperation, or sensitivity in not trusting underlings to do thier bidding
I don't think we can declare one given the short periods each was on top albeit I would say that Apothis (post Sokar, Yu by S5 and Baal have the strongest claim). So essentially if we discount Sokar for not being part of the System Lords and Anubis because he was probably given the boot by the end of S6 then we have the below logic. Apothis - Had command of the largest fleet ever constructed (with cloaks) and was strong enough that He Ru Er was seeking an alliance (round about one of the strongest for seasons 1-4). He had the military and influence. Yu - Had the strength to decline to support Anubis's admission and fight Anubis for at least a year. Had the influence to be backed by the other system lords within a year. Of all of them, it's implied he was the least nuts and probably the least objectionable. Baal - Basically inherited Yu's position and a fair chunk of Anubis's. The better way to postulate i think is to ask who had a chance to rise from the post-Ra power vacuum if there was no Earth post Stargate movie (so Ra still dies but we never figure out its stellar drift for say another century). Apophis does not rise - With no SGC he never need attack Earth as it would be a low priority. Since he never loses his army and ships he probably is never attacked. Chronos is still alive and its implied he was one of the strongest. He Ru Er is still alive for longer. Sokar is probably still killed by the Tok'Ra weapon assuming they get an operative there (if not, then Sokar vs Anubis eventually). Since Sokar still dies, Anubis still rises. Yu still gathers the system lords against Anubis. Baal still inherits Yu's forces as he sucumbs slowly to space dimensia. So you probably still end up with Baal or Anubis unless Sokar is never killed. I would assume that eventually Anubis and Sokar would be killed by an alliance.
@Nathan barton you know I’m not sure the two (Sokar and Anubis) would seek and alliance. Evil doesn’t work well with evil and all that. I always though Anubis would be more powerful since he is partially ascended. Also it’s kind of like Sokar is trying to be spooky, but Anubis just does it naturally.
My money still on Anubis as he actually knew how to work his stuff and unlike the others he made even the power hungry goa'uld fall in line by picking off the weaker system lords and using puppet goa'uld to run his forces while he hid in the shadows until he revealed himself to be the major power when he was strong enough to resist them. Under his rule and limitations set by the Ancients he was still able to make his species advanced far enough technically to be a power to match a lot of the other more advanced species while his had been locked in a stagnate statis since goa'uld really don't "research" things. Sokar got his rise to power due to Apophis fall in power because lets face it... he probably had low political standing with the other factions if only losing two ships was enough to have everyone attack him. He might have had a good military fleet, but one fleet doesn't last long against a dozen other military fleets just as effective. Also while every other system lord is limited by betrayal or literal back stabbing by Baal with his timeline redue... Anubis already had started to work solving that issue with his new soldier program that were essentially loyal to him and keeping everyone in arms reach of his new super soldier program and far away from him.
Yu is my first pick we hen this conversation comes up. He ruled out of respect than fear and never really gets handed many defeats. He lacks the ambition that will bring the ire of the Asguard.
The inability of a System Lord to succeed Ra as Supreme System Lord is a result of the long term strategy of the Tok'ra bearing fruit. The Tau'ri and Free Jaffa took for granted all the groundwork the Tok'ra had laid for millenia by exploiting the Goa'uld's feudal nature. If the Tok'ra hadn't been in place when the Tau'ri took out Ra, there probably would have been a consensus successor after a relatively short civil war.
That’s a good point, the Tok’ra did do a lot to keep the Goa’uld divided. Though I think a good part of the feudal nature of the Goa’uld in their own. I also imagine Ra made sure there was no powerful system lord who could take over for him. Not that we was looking for that, but more a side effect so that no system lord could challenge him while alive.
Yeah looking back at it now I kind of wish they had made Apophis more like Anubis or Sokar. A system lord who was banished by the others, one who could rival their collective power.
woah, it's so weird hearing your voice sound like this, it's kind of muffled and somewhat has a bit more bass, i kind of liked how your voice sounded before your audio upgrade.
@52262 yeah I’ve had to change up my mics over the years and none have really sit well with me. The last video was either my phone, or a lav mic. But with the lac mic it sometimes with cuts words and I have to redo whole audio sections. I got a supposedly better podcast mic, but it’s got this buzz sound. Been trying to figure it out so hopefully my audio sounds a bit more clean.
I would also like to add something about Apophis: He is the fatal catalyst that led to the Goa'uld defeat. After killing Ra, Earth was in the process of decommissioning their gate and had no ability or interest in continuing to explore the galaxy. Then Apophis comes storming in through the gate, looking for a hot host for his wife. As a result, Earth restarts the gate, discovers the cartouche on Abydoss, and within eight years the *entire* Goa'uld Empire is gone. Had he not shown up on Earth, their influence would never have hit the galaxy and it is arguable that even the Replicators wouldn't have come since they were drawn here by the Asgard regularly visiting Earth. That's right. Apophis's obsession with chasing tail directly led to his entire civilization collapsing in less than a decade.
Ra's territory should have been divided up among the system lords and whoever was the strongest after that should be the new supreme leader. might makes right among the goa'uld I'm guessing that would be Yu Cronos or Nerrti
Honestly think yu could be the best system lord, he was the only goauld i believe would stick to his word when forming alliances with earth and other factions Please do a video just on yu
@Chip Kolat mostly it seemed that while he was a good leader, he lacked the military muscle to enforce his will. Also I think he knows the job sucks and doesn’t want it.
I thint this ignores Apophis' actual effects within canon. Sure, he was a lame supervillian on screen, but in lore he was at war with Ra, and it was Ra's death that let him rise up and prevent any other system lords from taking Ra's place. I imagine most Goa'uld were sitting in their territory safe and cozy until Ra died, then Apophis immediately shows up and starts wreaking havoc, and the Tauri start getting gud too. It was a lot of noise and it was oney because of the 'death' of Apophis that other Goa'uld who were allied with Ra could come outta hiding. The death of Chronus didn't do shit for nobody.
@Sozeb Ffej out of curiosity we’re doing you get your lore. That’s not me trying to be a smart a$& I’m generally curious. As most lore pages (fandom, gatewrd, lexicon) don’t have anything on Apophis history prior to start of show. As for Cronus death, the Tok’ra did site it was one of the reasons for the system lord summit.
@@sg-24 I grew up watching this show and I've seen every episode of both SG-1 and Atlantis *literally* hundreds of times each. That's not hyperbole, this show eats a lot of what I could've spent learning maths or something. I couldn't tell you the exact episode but this lore definitely comes from one or two lines of Daniel talking about Goa'uld lore and egyptology to other people: stuff so small many ignore it yet which got burned into my mind through subsequent rewatches. The lore about Apophis is early on, check the first handful of episodes in s1 of SG1 and listen to when he's explaining boring shit to Hammond or the rest of the conference room: most people turn off their brain when Daniel talks, I get a boner. It'll probably focus the camera in on how bored Jack is looking. I don't have the means to watch the show and find the exact quotes for you now but I guarantee it isn't past the first season.
I didn't watch up till when you start talking about him in this till yet. I agree that the writers handled him very poorly. They hyped him up with the subtext and refused to kill him while making him look pathetic at every turn. I was never a fan of him, but my dad was so much of a fan he named his pet scorpion after him.
I think Heru'ur would have teamed up with Hath'or, which is to say she would have perfected her Hauk'taur host and lent her super-assassins to him. A king and queen to rule an empire.
Here's the trick. Ra kept power as supreme System lord using the old Ming The Merciless technique of keeping the other System Lords warring amongst themselves to stop them from coming against him. If any one System Lord looked like they were gaining enough power to threaten him Ra would unite the others against them (see Sokar) otherwise they were too busy scheming against each other to really be a threat. The Asguard saw this and used the same trick to keep them from attacking the protected planets. As to why Ra didn't attack the Asguard... The Asguard were not a direct threat and did not affect him or his rule. So after Ra's surprise death it could be easily speculated that a Cold War, of sorts, came over the System Lords. Their various forces and territories had been balanced on a knife edge for thousands of years. They were busy making alliances and agreements, worried that upstarts (like as you speculated Ba'al to be and Imhotep tried to become) or that other System lords would gain too much of Ra's old power. From a speculation front... Ba'al was consolidating his power, he'd be the one most likely to forge alliances from his position. Uniting the so called lesser lords and quietly absorbing them under his overall command. Heru'ur struck me as the upstart son, he'd be the one grabbing most of his Father's old territory and at the same time taking risks to prove himself. Kronos, with the lions share of the Fleets, would be methodically if rashly absorbing as much territory as he could. Apophis meanwhile seemed to be focused on technological development, Something he had been working on for quite some time. Creating a new super advanced Host long before Nirrti (the Harcicis child), faster Hyperspace drives, Wormhole capable gliders and other examples. With all this going on it's easy to see how the smallest sign of weakness on any front would lead to the others pouncing. it was only after it was confirmed that the Tau'ri were actively responsible for the deaths of so meany, and not just lucky, did they turn their attention to Earth. And even then they were far more suspicious of others of their kind to actually do anyhthing about it. Yes another supreme system lord might have turned the tide, but with the Tok'ra, the growing Jaffa rebellion and the Tau'ri knocking down potential candidates left and right there just wasn't enough cooperation amongst the survivors to organise anything before the Replicator threat upended the Galaxy yet again
This is an older video of yours, but something you mentioned off handedly was inspiration for me to check and gave me, Interesting results lets just say. That being earth is the most populated Planet in the Galaxy. Well going by context clues, intentions by the writers, and other stuff. I've found while earth is very much up there the most populous, they aren't per say alone in having billions of people. It's a bit of a complicated subject ive been doing and it's a pain in the ass with revision, rpg, novel, and show referencing. As well as IRL influences when not otherwise contradictories or told in universe a fact about said planet. Which got me down to a set of worlds that hold the Titles of most populated human worlds. Of which theirs like 15 out of 200 known named planets that are inhibited by humans that are not Alien worlds. (Not counting Goa'uld) And in order of Largest to lowest populations, Staring with Above 6 Billion are Eldeore (10) Aschen Prime (Assumed 9) because Farm worlds feeding one, Hebridan (Assumed 9) with the wrinkle of the Serrakin also making up a good amount of people. Bedrosia (Assumed 8 billion) their more advanced than earth and occupy large areas of the planet. Earth, Orban, Galar, and P4M-328 all range from 6-7 billion people, due to being on roughly the same technological era. With Orban being the outlier here since their more advanced by a few decades. Finaly we get to below 6 billion and are effectively either late industrial or late cold war (1900s-1980s), Which i'll rapid fire here. Vyus (1 billion), Pangar (1.7), Langara (2.3), Tegalus (2.6), and Tagrea (4.5). Last outlier is Tollana may have around 1.4 billion people due to Estimates by SGC by how many canons would take to protect earths population. So I just did some basic math to figure that one out. Which makes sense since they escaped their old world's destruction and called back their old colonies. So despite being highly advanced their population took a massive hit. I got the google doc if you check it out. Planning on doing the Pegasus worlds but that would be a fools effort and mostly me making assumptions on tech rather than strict population numbers since, you know. Wraith culling's. If i also got time i'll organize them better by population and of those under Goa'uld control. Just, something i like to do i suppose. docs.google.com/document/d/1BMBwJwghSsCw4_NEZ3_KNPbCPHa0P-h_ilylLSDjqJc/edit?usp=sharing
...I realized how much i've put into a sourcing stuff for a franchise ive known only originally as a neat thing on tv and only recently gone all in on in the past year or so. Wow im a bit to dedicated for my own good.
Honestly I’m impressed. I’ll definitely check this out and try and fit into one of my videos one day. But with that kind of determination have you ever thought about doing a video yourself. You 100% have done the research for it.
@@sg-24 Yeah i know it sounds weird and the Goa'uld would never let an underling become a lord...but since he betrays them and ends up destroying the falsde gods anyway...I just thought it would have been cool if he took over and caused their destruction from within. Just an idea is all.
Remember, the RPG isn't canon. My belief about the ships at earth is economic. The Goaulds use mostly slave labor. They are lazy and Ra probably kept most fights from escalating into all out war. It was expensive and annoying to build ships. But after the failure at Earth the Goauld converted to a war economy so you saw a gradual increase in number of ships and inter Goauld fighting until Anubis arrived. Toward the end, you also saw Goauld abandoning more marginal worlds to more cost effectively defend territory. Heru-ur has the coolest Jaffa suits.
It's from the movie Stargate made by Roland Emmerich that was originally suppose to be a trilogy. The TV show SG1 was done without his input but used the movie as a starting point for the shows main characters, the shows writers, created the lore around the Goa'uld.
@@sg-24 i dont know the rpg lore. its possible Apophis became a paper tiger he was once a power but he was in decline and he was left with relying on his reputation and backing from Ra to keep his position. It is interesting that Ra had an adult son and Apophis only selected Amoneth and Klorel's host after Ra's death. Ra's death was Apophis freedom to build a real powerbase. Its why he wanted to establish Klorel's rule over Earth. Far from Goauld territory
@@sg-24 I just realize something if Apophis was a paper tiger that Ra was backing. Why was Ra backing him? The answer is Sokar. Sokar didnt make his move until Apophis was taken down. Is it possible that Ra was backing Apophis so that Sokar will not make his move? Ra was helping his brother Apophis look like he was still a power so that the other system lords and Sokar wouldnt make a move against them?
I don't think Apothis was attacked because he lost 2 ships, I think he was attack because he lost to humans. Aside from a few anomalys before that no system lord had ever lost to anyone else besides another system lord. It's sort of like if you found out China lost 2 tank battalions to some random hunter gatherer tribe nobody had ever heard of before, they could take the losses sure but it would call their competence into question.
@VampireNewl true, but Herur’ur lost two ships to the the Tollan. Granted the Tollan are way more advance than Earth was. But I think I found it so odd because he ultimately lost after he was attacked. Seems like if he was more powerful he should have stood up to it a little better.
@@sg-24 True but I don't know if the goa'uld would consider it as bad a defeat. While Earth was at the time considered an unknown backwards planet the goa'uld did know about the Tollan and how dangerous they were so Heru'ur loosing to them wouldn't really be seen as "weak".
@@sg-24 You need to take into account the loss of troops on board the 2 ships as well, we have seen in the show that a skeleton crew can operate a Ha'tak for all we know Herur’ur could have lost a handful of Jaffa on board those 2 ships.
But losing the Serpent guard the equivalent of your knights or nobility, along with some of your more veteran troops, in a feudal society is going to have an impact on your ability to govern your domain.
It's not something you can replace quickly, it took Apophis a few years to mobilise that force to begin with.
The Goa'uld may control many worlds but most are populated with slaves, they are relying on there fleets and armies to project control over those worlds, you saw how often SG1 would visit a slave world, where there is no one there garrisoning it, they only get the occasional visit from the local Goa'uld's forces to pick up resources, hosts etc..
@@sg-24 The Tollan are a known factor. They are highly advanced. Losing two ships to them isn’t as embarrassing as losing to a group of humans with no space presence or anti-orbital capabilities. It’s shows him to be incompetent in the extreme.
I think: losing two ships and many serpent guards to a planet that (save for ..let's say like 1000 people) doesn't even know there is life outside of their planet...well that will make you look weak. If (at least) two major system lords jump on you, I can see why.
Yeah He really lost way more space cred than anything Else. I mean apophis Made the Invasion of earth a father son Bonding experience but this goes hillariously wrong
There’s a joke I could make out of that, but I won’t.
@@sg-24 pls do, I've been sad to have not seen positive Star Gate renewal news, maybe this would help.
@daddyleon well the joke involves a certain event that happened recently involving the Titanic.
Sokar is the only one that could pull it together. The goa'uld rule by fear, and the only one they would actually fear (other than anubis, who would be the best option but can't work in universe) is sokar
@Jolly Rogering interesting point of view. And he did rule the empire for a short time.
It could be that even Anubis feared Sokar. After all, he didn't attack the system lords immediately after Ra's death. Instead, he attacked after Sokar's death.
@shawn092182 true, but he really only made his move after the rest of the old guard (Apophis, Cronus, and Heru’ur) were dead
Probably Chronos or Yu, they could use fear and diplomacy to keep everyone in line and on the same page. Granted Sokar and Anubis had the best tech but they usually just bulldozed everyone to get their way. Not a great long term strategy
Anubis has one thing over all the other solar system is he ascended being. Basically, he is the closest thing to being a god, with alot of the Ancient knowledge, only dripping into it when thing get tough. And he can't be killed, since many jaffe are quick to switching side after their god is killed, Anubis would take around body.
It took another ascend being just to neutralize him or their knowledge like melirn to defeat the ori.
@Bloody Simile oh I agree I was purely thinking about temperament as a ruler. Also Anubis might not have acendend/descended yet as he didn't show up until 2001. Four years after Ra's death
Yu wasnt warlike anymore he was content. He was also in decline mentally. I wish we saw him at his peak but he was not.
Chronos influence was probably his military might and the others didnt want to challenge him so he had influence over him
@Jon Reese Yeah I guess we don't really know what the decline rate for Gou'ld dementia is. Was he fine in 1997 or had it just started?????
@@jonreese7066 Yes but Chronos knew how to be a diplomat and to reach agreements with enemies, not all goa'uld can do that due to their massive pride and ego.
Found your channel today. Binge watching now. Glad their are still Stargate fans. Your channel deserves way more substantial. I'm surprised you don't have more.
Don't forget me when your channel blows up
@ty pa I’ll try not to. I know why it hasn’t, bad upload l schedule, but hopefully in the next few months I ca change that.
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@SG- 2 4 discuss more on Stargate. If I am able to maybe help you out.
Been a huge Stargate fan since I was a kid, and the franchise deserves more love.
@SG- 2 4 discuss more on Stargate. If I am able to maybe help you out.
Been a huge Stargate fan since I was a kid, and the franchise deserves more love.
I know that Yu-huang Shang Ti is old, but I'd still vote for him. As it was said, he still was fair to humanity when compared to the others.
5:06 I've wondered for a while if Ra maybe had a replicator in storage and someone unleashed his stash on the Asgard knowing that it would distract them?
Great video!
Anubis is most likely candidate who can rule the empire for eternal.
Him being ascended being make him the closest of being a god and is, in all sense, immortal. Any would be assassin by system lord, Anubis can take another body.
Along with most ancient that he only tap into when back into a corner. His super soldier was design by his understanding of ancient knowledge. He likely tap into knowledge minimum out of caution of other ancient ascended to see how much he can truly get away with. Hence why he rise to power was slow and in serect.
He could grow more powerful with millions of followers much like Ori. A war with Anubis and Ori will be a war of belief with each sides fighting for their "respective gods"
The only method to defeat an Ascended being is interferences by another, trap into eternal battle which he ultimately fall fated to. Or another Ascended being like Merlin to create the device to stop the Ori.
SG1 (and main characters power) needed help by ascended Daniel Jackson and ancient technology to defeat him. Otherwise he would likely won.
Anubis was probably the next candidate to be the supreme system lord but the cool thing about the feudal system is that there could still be system lords out there with jaffa populations that were never freed.
Great breakdown of a very interesting alternate universe! I don't think he would have ever become anyone of extreme power, but I always wonder what happened to Seth in all of the alternate timelines of Stargate over the years.
I only mention this because I recently picked up the 2 novel sequels to the original film (which obviously ignores all of SG-1 canon so it makes it completely unrelated) but it's interesting that they went with Hathor as the follow-up to Ra.
@Windgrace thank you for the nice comment. I always felt they should have done more with Seth, especially given his importance in mythology.
I actually plan to do a breakdown of the movie OG continuity since SG is turning 30 or something this year.
@@sg-24 Yeah, I kind of agree. Still, they probably weren't too worried with keeping everyone around for 10 seasons at that point in the show. I guess the actor may not have been around for any future returns even if they wanted to use him. I think his story could have been built into the whole NID conspiracy storyline. They may have scoured the planet and found his stockpile of tech etc.
Oh that's a cool idea. I can't wait to see it!
remember in the series that hathor was imprisoned in a sarcophagus on earth at the time of the death of ra and wouldnt be released till the middle of the first season which would be almost 2 years after ra's death
@@stevendubin3584 Good call! These books are set in a completely alternate universe, though. I just think it's interesting that they went with a character that SG-1 used in such a different way
Conversely, Heru'ur (I can't spell his name) *might* have known the Asgard were otherwise occupied, and was gambling that they weren't able to do anything about it. No proof for this, just speculation, arising from my long speculation that the Asgard were so nice to earth not so much because they were nice (Though they certainly were nce), but because the Go'a'uld were a lingering problem, and we were a good low-risk way of getting 'the locals' to keep the Go'a'uld occupied, thereby making the Asgard situation more secure.
This is off topic, I just wonder sometimes.
@Mahatma Randy no joke that was actually a really good theory.
the only question then being, how he would know
That’s a good point, I would say a spy network, but he doesn’t strike me as a spy network having guy.
One thing to consider is that there's a very big difference between who would be the best system lord to rule the empire and who would actually be able to take it over.
If the Goa'uld were to, for lack of a better word, "elect" a new Supreme System Lord then I think Chronos would be the most likely, or at least least unlikely. Many times the person at the top doesn't get there by being the best but by better serving the interests of those who can influence who gets there and Chronos being a bit of a brute would have made him easier to control while not being as blunt a tool as Heru'ur.
Heru'ur would have probably wanted to conquer the Goa'uld empire rather than be handed the top spot.
I think of the old guard Lord Yu as the best to take the throne of Supreme System Lord as he ran his part of the empire without the need to expand to the extent of the other system lord. Also with Apophis, I think he had the bulk of his Jaffa on the two motherships he brought to Earth that combined with his defeat at Earth weakened his forces and so he was weak in foot soldiers, and the ones left behind switched sides to a system lord they felt was stronger. It is in a lot of ways a moot point as even if the Replicators never came to the Milk Way, Anubis would have crushed any now Supreme System Lord if he wasn't stopped by Oma Desala.
Stargate content in 2023. Lets go.
The brother reference was mentioned in the 1st season. It's a line by Tealc
@Eric Andes yes someone said it was in the Seth episode.
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@CAD I make it a habit to read all the comments. And thank you, cents like this mean a lot.
I'm going with an unexpected candidate, Nirrti. Technology was biggest factor in victory against pretty much all the villains of the show. Heru'ur can stomp out earth by sending a fleet of ships. He can probably kick out the Asgard. He might even be able to defeat Sokar with the combined forces of the System Lords. But once the Replicators and Anubis show up, he's screwed. Nirrti was the only System Lord interested in developing new science and technology. Even Ba'al wasn't that scientifically inclined until he started getting access to advanced technology from Anubis. Nirrti is the only one who might be able to develop countermeasures against bigger threats like the Replicators, Anubis, and the Ori (if they ever show up).
@KingOfMadCows fun fact that is lore accurate. In the RPG books it was said that Nirrti didn’t care much for the politics of the Gou’ald, and was more interesting in developing a new advanced human host.
I think a lot of it depends on how Ra came to power in the first place, and we really don't know that. All we know is that the Go'a'uld were dying for some unstated reason, and Ra discovered humans, which made vastly better hosts than the Unas had, and somehow 12,000 years later he's the grand poobah of the galaxy. (I presume it had something to do with his temporary monopoly on human hosts, but that's just speculation on my part). So not knowing that (Though I have my theories), it's hard to figure out what someone else could have done.
The way feudalistic empires work is basically this: some guy runs stuff, and all the local lords are at least nominally somewhat at his beck and call, owe him service in his wars, or taxes, or whatever. This is more like 'protection money' than loyalty. They basically do this for convenience, and also so he'll leave them alone. To prevent any local lord from becoming powerful enough to threaten him, the emperor will periodically set one or more lords against each other, which usually doesn't resolve much, but it weakens all sides, and solidifies the position of the emperor. (Dune is a pretty good portrait of this)
I've long suspected (in universe) this is why all the Go'a'uld use basically the same kinds of ships, weapons, armor, etc. I assume Ra dictated what kind of weapons and tech levels were allowable in a conflict, so if someone came out on top it was by subterfuge and strategy, not superweapons, which would massively upset his status quo. This might also explain why we keep stumbling across secret projects that were abandoned for one way or another, like telepathic hosts, or whatever the heck was going on with Jonas' people: Attempts to circumvent the status quo inobtrusively. Out of universe, of course, the reason is simply that it costs a lot of money to design new weapons and costumes for new Go'a'uld every week.
Incidentally, this is why, I think, Ba'al was so good: he seems to have been the one Go'a'uld to have been able to adapt. We're repeatedly told he's new, young, up and coming, and he far and away displays the most flexibility of thought of all the Go'a'uld, whereas the others are VERY set in their ways.
As a quick aside, I don't think the Go'a'uld empire was particularly limited. They appear to have been everywhere in the galaxy, there doesn't seem to be a 'border' to their space, apart from a few forgotten worlds, protected planets, and the few major powers that the Go'a'uld didn't want to mess with. (Such as the Nox). Every other major player alien species (Such as the Furlings, or the babylonian who faked Daniel's death) seem to be pretty much extinct. Much like earth is divied up between a couple hundred countries, and there's no more 'out' you can go, really, the Go'a'uld had divied up the galaxy. I think.
Sorry to be so longwinded.
Anyway, in answer to your question: Lord Yu.
Lord Yu had the best chance. He was more pragmatic than the rest, and his humans and Jaffa actually seemed to genuinely love him, rather than obeying out of fear, and he had no interest in this 'pretending to be a god' thing, and he treated his people well. He was also far and away the oldest, apart from Ra.
Granted, he had space Alzheimer's so his reign may not have lasted long, but I think he's the best shot, simply because he has qualities the others didn't have: Experience, Wisdom, and the genuine loyalty of his followers.
@Mahatma Randy The RPG books filled in/retcond in some of the details of how Ra came to power. Basically he and Anubis were rivals during the previous ruler of the empire, Anubis killed and ate the leader (yes) and tried to declare himself emperor. Ra fought against him, won, and declared himself Supreme System Lord. Carrying over some of the “progressive” reforms from the previous leader.
Funny enough the RPG books do back up that Yu was liked by his people. Kind of, it was more he wasn’t unnecessarily cruel.
@@sg-24 I haven't read any of the deuterocanonical stuff like that, I've only got the TV shows to go on, so you've got an advantage over me there.
Yu was portrayed in the show fairly positively. He actually forged temporary alliances with the SGC, for instance and I thought it was interesting that Daniel pointed out that Yu wasn't a god in Chinese lore, he was a "Cultural Hero." Which, I suppose, was supposed to imply he was unlike the rest. Not "Good" mind you, just not as bad.
I like your point about their territory being so huge. With the gates as a primary means of travel, each System Lord planets could be so spread out that fleet could not defend very well. Might have your primary planets protected but not really very many.
Perhaps that was Ra’s plan. He bestowed certain planets to his vassals not regions of space.
@@dorkavenger42 Yeah! See we tend to think of space in terms of lines on a map, and the volume between them, but there’s a trillion stars in the galaxy, and gates can go anywhere within 100,000 LY, so an empire or kingdom or “country” could be a hundred worlds strewn across the entire disk. They don’t need to be in any kind of physical proximity to each other at all.
@@mahatmarandy5977 yeah, that’s going to take a bit to get my head around. Interesting to think about. Thanks
In my book, there are two viable candidates to rule the gouald empire and prevent it from falling; Baal would do a very good job in preserving the empire and status quo, by getting others to work with him and by using political assets and military force in equal measure. While Anubis would certainly take the empire forward in a progressive direction of technological and militarily enhancements, but in order to do so would have to conquer them all or show how it is futile to resist him visa kull warriors to force surrender and obseiance to his rule.
I think Ra was the unique one because he held them together by merit and history. He found the first new hosts. He had the biggest military. He redirected their anger towards the Asgards as he let them fight one another while he stayed on top... so mediaeval feudalism at it's finest/worst.
The issue all three of the others simply faced was the lack of a key attribute.
Bal? Quite ironically his greatest advancement to power was from Earth. Even then after going back and time to conquer everyone else... Quite frankly he wanted to sit on earth and mock the earth president while having a good laugh. He had enjoyed Earth more than the other system lords and had left them confused even more when he went back in time because he had changed and most of them despite being thousands of years old... were stagnate.
Even then Bal was an odd one as he even cloned himself to have a system lord council of himself. He did have the tendency to take stuff and try to be the top leader, but he went after other systems lords after taking Anubis stuff instead of raiding earth who by this point was considered deadly enough to be considered a real threat to even send a System Lord fleet to attack Earth or be given the 'honorary roll' of playing the Asgard peacekeeping force who solved disputes between System Lords and made sure everyone played fair.
Apophis? I kind of thought he was the most hated of the group. While he did have a military his everyone kind of hated him and as he progressed he had taken more risks... like making a human host with all the knowledge of his species which was a major taboo. Even when he had a big army that should have let him do more everyone just kept attacking him.
So his political score with all the other system lords was pretty low and everyone else was looking for an excuse to declare war before arguing who got to keep what from his stuff. Sort of how every goa'uld would have went out and declared war to kill Anubis, but he had built up his forces and secret and only then revealed himself when they kind of needed him to patch up the holes in their empire... and more of his older or powerful foes who knew him and could fight him lacked the military might to defeat him outright.
Chronos... well I put him next on the slot after Apohis is diplomatic relationships.
Mostly their main problem was that after Ra died they didn't have anyone who filled out the proper Military, Political, or legal standing position. Made even worse as by the time SG1 the TV show happened... everyone broke down and fought one another. Sort of like how the Roman Empire collapsed and you were left with the medieval age where there was no one strong induvial who could claim control so everything fell apart with people setting up their own smaller kingdoms.
Still it was a nice deep dive to see what could have happened and why it also could have failed regardless.
I think Ra discovering human he used as leverage to the other. basically, I have humans. If you want them, swear loyal to me." Top with the fact they fighting the asgad As their multiple humans colony, and truce with the asgads, Ra powerbase quickly shrink as the other systems lords seek their own agenda.
I am going to say Yu-huang Shang Ti would make the best supreme system lord. That is at least temporarily. True, other system lords suspected he was old and weakening. However, it would make sense to allow him to unify the system lords at least outwardly. That would allow one of the strongest system lords to consolidate power and claim supreme system lord title.
ra and apophis being brothers was from the esp Seth in season 3
@Carsg1 THANK YOU!!! My God this was driving me crazy!
Daniel was the one who said that Ra and Apophis are brothers(according to mythology). He said this when SG1 was at Apophis' palace on Chulak.
I believe in the episode Set Teal’c said this as well.
At 1:06:12 in children of the gods part 1&2 standard edition Daniel Jackson explains Apophis's relationship to Ra.
Just discovered your channel. Good stuff- do you plan on doing a video on the Foothold Aliens?
@Arnez Bonsol yes…. But also no. It’s a little complicated. Can’t give out details, but hopefully it can be made soon.
the elusive episode u may be looking for i think is " seth" where jacob displays a hologram of the goa'uld family tree on a pyramid , with ra and hathor birthing many siblings , then they chose queens and so on
My favorite was Sokar. Everyone feared him, and he was so over-the-top evil that he would have made an awesome overlord of the Goaúld.
Sokar is the only Goa'uld I would ever take seriously in my life.
Jaffa are no one to screw around with but most system lords are just joke supervillians.
Sokar was a freaking demon and I would piss myself just being in the room with that monster.
There's a reason the writers killed him off by blowing up an entire planet and moon.
@@jeffbrownstain Yeah. I always thought it was a shame that they killed him off after only two episodes. Sokar and Anubis were the two most terrifying Goa'uld in the series, and they could have done a lot more stories around both of them. At least we got a number of episodes with Anubis.
@@Apollonos Even Anubis was a little bit too 'supervillian' for my taste. They put too much Apophis in him: just giving him a scary voice doesn't mate him powerful, and he showed himself as rather 'okay' in most confrontations.
Anubis HAD to end with Oma: there was no reason for them to kill Sokar except they knew he was too badass for the story they wanted to tell.
Plus Sokar had a developed and advanced industrial base. He was by far the most dangerous System Lord on that basis alone.
Vader clearly should have been the successor
I know Stargate the movie and tv series had some little difference but jay davidson was a beautiful RA he carried the part of a great villain he was truly believable as the supreme system lord
The loss of two ships being the deciding factor could simply be that his other forces were spread thin over a large empire.
Say he kept one ship in each of 20 major/central systems and the two ships are his "manoeuvre element", reinforcing where needed. Then he'd have more ships than Yu, and an opponent would have to dedicate 4 ships to guaranteed they'd take any one system. But if those free ships were destroyed, suddenly he has to reinforce with ships garisoning other systems to get local superiority against an attacker, and that opens him up to attacks from other System Lords on the systems he pulled ships out of. The attacker only needs to outfight what you can send to fight them, not your entire military.
Tl:dr he can have the largest empire and the largest fleet and still feel the loss of 2 ships.
Best case if Yu could be like Imperial Regent, and Heru'ur the figurehead royal kept out of the actual dangerous fights.
Daniel was the one who mentions that Apophis was Ra. "No, he's Apophis, seprent god of night and brother of Ra. It's straight out of the Book of the Dead. They're living it out."
Everyone forgets the Aschen. (seriously they should have been the big bads of s9 and s10) An expansionist, successful system lords would have run into them eventually, resulting in the gould being wiped out by a bioengineered plague.
to be fair, the goa'uld are largely immune to that, and considering ones like nirti pretty adept at bio plagues themselves. the ashen try to neuter them only to realize years too late that the goa'uld just laughed at their attempt and sent the plague back at them.
I don't think that is what would have happened if the System Lords had came across them first. The Aschen with no knowledge of what the System Lords are would have fallen to the System Lords, if not from without but from within. The Aschen are too full of themselves, all that the Goa`uld would need to do is get a single one of themselves into the Aschen and their fall would have been assured.
Also the goa'ulds are superior in Bio engineering hell they created the Jaffa and lets Not forget niirti and what she pulls
Ra was the most powerful. He held power over all of them. His death led to a power vacuum because none of the others were strong enough to take his place. And since the Goa'uld were self-centered, egotistical, and devious, they continued to fight for the control that none of them could simply take outright.
Well technically Heru’ur was. It’s just that all the other Goa’uld wanted their turn as Supreme System Lord (Emperor or Empress)
Daniel Jackson mentions Apophis being Ra’s brother in “Children of the Gods,” commenting that Ra (the sun god) and Apophis (the serpent god) are basically living out the Egyptian Book of the Dead
Okay, I’ll have to go back and check out that episode then. We did find Teal’c also saying in the Set episode.
I don't think its the lack of system lord, I think it is the Sarcophagus that doomed the Goa'uld empire. It made them lust for power while not thinking of the bigger picture or their legacy. Goa'uld that spent less time in it or have less corruption in their DNA are much more clear-minded and capable, like Anubis and Osiris. Keep in mind the Sarcophagus makes not just the singular Goa'uld evil, it corrupts the entire genetic memory line going forward.
@Jappards oh that’s a good point.
Isn't that the reason the Tok'ra don't use it?
@@MrFlashpoint1978 Yes, exactly.
I doubt That the sacrophagus IS that Bad ON the goa'uld mental health, remember WE effectively only See Humans get insane from that also i refuse to believe that the goa'ulds dont advance their Tech so their sacrophagus IS way better than the thousands years old the goa'ulds left for scrap possible damaged and Not mantained
I would say that by the time Ra was killed, he was "Supreme System Lord" in name only. His power relative to the other system lord declining to the extend that he was first among equals but nothing more
@LordMJ that’s an interesting idea. Something to explore in the future.
I don't think that is likely how it was. It was more likely that all were loyal to Ra, so he had the armies of all the others even over their own lords.
So something I have thought about is the technology that Ra had was so much more advanced than the others.
Think about the armor, as Ra’s version could go from fully armored to beach wear then back while Teal’c could barely peek out of the snake mouth. Real world reason aside, that’s like nanotechnology that none of the others had. What if Ra had similar tech on his ship? Even if a rival damaged his ship, it could mend itself.
This makes me think Ra only had one ship but it was considered invincible by the other System Lords. If Ra needed a large fleet, he could call on Apophis and Horu'ur. Apophis likely had a large fleet but loss of his 2 primary ships (best crews with best equipment perhaps from Ra) would have demoralized his troops that are true believers after all. Easy pickings for other System Lords.
There was a fan theory based upon the movie's ending that Ra had at one point had as Asgard as a host, that presumably some of his fancier tech was derived from the Asgard technology. I doubt that ship seen in the movie was his only ship but was probably his most powerful, may have been the one with the fancy Asgard technology. Either way Ra seemed to be so powerful he didn't do a lot of what the other System Lords did such as using the mass produced stuff or even using actual Jaffa, his "Jaffa" were all human.
@JounLord1 they actually canonized that Ra took an Asgard as a host in one of the RPG books.
And the eye's of ra a incredibly powerful power source. Also show his advanced tech
It was said in one of the first 2 seasons just started to rewatch I think the Tokra were there in the episode idk if tokra were there maybe however it's said before season 3 which I just got to on may 27th.
I would really like to see Hathor manipulate her way to the top, provided Ra's succesor would conquer Earth before Sg-1 could kill her. She was always my favourite.
The world that the Heru`ur invaded was specifically NOT one of them included in the Protected Planets treaty. The Hammer of Thor had been on the planet to keep the Goa`uld off of it, if it had been part of the Protected Planets treaty the hammer would not have been needed.
Sokar was on his way to doing it and may have if Apophis didnt mess it all up and get himself killed not long after. Anubis then became this, regardless of if the title was used. He was by far and away the most powerful system lord, so much so that he dwarfed other lords combined forces. So in reality, Anubis definitely achieved this level of power, just did it through conquest rather than being elected.
That is true, Anubis or Solar could have conquered their way to the top, but I always wonder what the official way to do it would have been.
One thing to consider is how long it actually took the rest of the System Lords to figure out Ra was actually dead and who did the deed. When Ra died it was only the loss of a single ship, what became of his fleet/army/domain in general, I assumed his son took most of it but I also assume other system lords took a sizeable chunk of it, preventing him from retaining the same level of power Ra had.
I think its a case of, if they voted on who the next leader should be, they each would have used their vote on themselves, without a clear outside threat they refused to cooperate in general and did there own things, wasn't until the mystery threat of Anubis or the replicators appeared that they showed any interest in working together but by then the Empire was far too gone in my opinion.
They all got use to spending decades or centuries to make decisions, when push came to shove they could not react in time.
@BNOBLE981 very true, and odds are if a situation like this were to happen it wouldn’t until the Summit episode, but I though it would be a fun what if.
i think Apophis was a major power within the system lord collective , the lost of his two powerful mother ship had started a chain reaction that cause his first downfall.
Apophis probably had a lot of secret technologies , like his two mothership was very advance , and maybe even a satellite defense network from genetic memories of his son ( Harcesis Child ) , if that design was a real thing .
Teal'c said it should take about a yr to reach Earth at 10 time the speed of light , but Apophis's ship reach Earth in about a day .
Which mean Apophis probably was the first to reach new hyperdrive speed record around 3650 time the speed of light .
I think apophis had probably invested a lot of resource into building the ship , a temporary down size of his force for a few yr in a planned expansion after the ship was finish , but Sg1 had destoryed them , and underling took the secret new hyperdrive to his enemy .
After his fail invasion of Earth , some of his underlord who control Apophis's fleet switch side or deliberately slow in sending their fleet to help him .
And also Teal's defection had cause a lot of embarrassment , i think he lost his place among the System Lord collective .
The thing with Apophis is he has higher quality soldiers and commanders which to me always suggested lesser power, needing quality over quantity
The lords themselves seem to go on missions they need to succeed, using thier best tech and centuries of skill to ensure victory. High risk, high reward. Once they have enough power they might as well use overwhelming force or honed strike teams with Jaffa who have hundreds of years of battle experience.
The FINE I'LL DO IT MYSELF ethos strikes me as desperation, or sensitivity in not trusting underlings to do thier bidding
I don't think we can declare one given the short periods each was on top albeit I would say that Apothis (post Sokar, Yu by S5 and Baal have the strongest claim).
So essentially if we discount Sokar for not being part of the System Lords and Anubis because he was probably given the boot by the end of S6 then we have the below logic.
Apothis - Had command of the largest fleet ever constructed (with cloaks) and was strong enough that He Ru Er was seeking an alliance (round about one of the strongest for seasons 1-4). He had the military and influence.
Yu - Had the strength to decline to support Anubis's admission and fight Anubis for at least a year. Had the influence to be backed by the other system lords within a year. Of all of them, it's implied he was the least nuts and probably the least objectionable.
Baal - Basically inherited Yu's position and a fair chunk of Anubis's.
The better way to postulate i think is to ask who had a chance to rise from the post-Ra power vacuum if there was no Earth post Stargate movie (so Ra still dies but we never figure out its stellar drift for say another century).
Apophis does not rise - With no SGC he never need attack Earth as it would be a low priority. Since he never loses his army and ships he probably is never attacked.
Chronos is still alive and its implied he was one of the strongest.
He Ru Er is still alive for longer.
Sokar is probably still killed by the Tok'Ra weapon assuming they get an operative there (if not, then Sokar vs Anubis eventually).
Since Sokar still dies, Anubis still rises.
Yu still gathers the system lords against Anubis.
Baal still inherits Yu's forces as he sucumbs slowly to space dimensia.
So you probably still end up with Baal or Anubis unless Sokar is never killed. I would assume that eventually Anubis and Sokar would be killed by an alliance.
@Nathan barton you know I’m not sure the two (Sokar and Anubis) would seek and alliance. Evil doesn’t work well with evil and all that. I always though Anubis would be more powerful since he is partially ascended. Also it’s kind of like Sokar is trying to be spooky, but Anubis just does it naturally.
My money still on Anubis as he actually knew how to work his stuff and unlike the others he made even the power hungry goa'uld fall in line by picking off the weaker system lords and using puppet goa'uld to run his forces while he hid in the shadows until he revealed himself to be the major power when he was strong enough to resist them.
Under his rule and limitations set by the Ancients he was still able to make his species advanced far enough technically to be a power to match a lot of the other more advanced species while his had been locked in a stagnate statis since goa'uld really don't "research" things.
Sokar got his rise to power due to Apophis fall in power because lets face it... he probably had low political standing with the other factions if only losing two ships was enough to have everyone attack him. He might have had a good military fleet, but one fleet doesn't last long against a dozen other military fleets just as effective.
Also while every other system lord is limited by betrayal or literal back stabbing by Baal with his timeline redue... Anubis already had started to work solving that issue with his new soldier program that were essentially loyal to him and keeping everyone in arms reach of his new super soldier program and far away from him.
Sokar maybe through sheer fear, otherwise anubis through power if humanity lost the main character card.
Unless tealc is a victim of the Mandela effect I can also remember tealc saying apophis was ra’s brother
I know someone found the scene, I just can’t remember it right now. 😃
Can you talk about some civilizations/human groups from Atlantis or Universe?
@Arty I do need to do some videos on those groups. Can’t say when, but it will happen.
@sg-24 Yay. Love your videos, btw. Especially Lore about other groups
Yu is my first pick we hen this conversation comes up. He ruled out of respect than fear and never really gets handed many defeats. He lacks the ambition that will bring the ire of the Asguard.
Any chance you could do a video on what happens when the majority population of earth FINALLY finds out about all the space stuff?
What about sokar. He seems to have the might and power to claim the throne
True, but he was banished/exiled, and for this video I wanted to look at “legitimate” succession.
Apophis claimed Ra's territory after the Supreme System Lord's death. He was clearly in a dominant position at the time.
Well not all of it. Ra’s son took control of some parts of it. And I think in the RPG books Baal also carved out a decent chunk.
The inability of a System Lord to succeed Ra as Supreme System Lord is a result of the long term strategy of the Tok'ra bearing fruit. The Tau'ri and Free Jaffa took for granted all the groundwork the Tok'ra had laid for millenia by exploiting the Goa'uld's feudal nature. If the Tok'ra hadn't been in place when the Tau'ri took out Ra, there probably would have been a consensus successor after a relatively short civil war.
That’s a good point, the Tok’ra did do a lot to keep the Goa’uld divided. Though I think a good part of the feudal nature of the Goa’uld in their own. I also imagine Ra made sure there was no powerful system lord who could take over for him. Not that we was looking for that, but more a side effect so that no system lord could challenge him while alive.
Based on mythology Apophis would have not be part of the Goa'uld system lords, but a power great enough to end them.
Yeah looking back at it now I kind of wish they had made Apophis more like Anubis or Sokar. A system lord who was banished by the others, one who could rival their collective power.
woah, it's so weird hearing your voice sound like this, it's kind of muffled and somewhat has a bit more bass, i kind of liked how your voice sounded before your audio upgrade.
@52262 yeah I’ve had to change up my mics over the years and none have really sit well with me. The last video was either my phone, or a lav mic. But with the lac mic it sometimes with cuts words and I have to redo whole audio sections. I got a supposedly better podcast mic, but it’s got this buzz sound. Been trying to figure it out so hopefully my audio sounds a bit more clean.
@@sg-24
on second thought it sounds fine this way, it's just different.
@52262 funny enough after I replied I check my mic and fixed it so the buzzing is gone now. Yay!
I would also like to add something about Apophis:
He is the fatal catalyst that led to the Goa'uld defeat.
After killing Ra, Earth was in the process of decommissioning their gate and had no ability or interest in continuing to explore the galaxy. Then Apophis comes storming in through the gate, looking for a hot host for his wife. As a result, Earth restarts the gate, discovers the cartouche on Abydoss, and within eight years the *entire* Goa'uld Empire is gone. Had he not shown up on Earth, their influence would never have hit the galaxy and it is arguable that even the Replicators wouldn't have come since they were drawn here by the Asgard regularly visiting Earth.
That's right. Apophis's obsession with chasing tail directly led to his entire civilization collapsing in less than a decade.
@gatedude07 there’s a lesson to be learned here.
Ra's territory should have been divided up among the system lords and whoever was the strongest after that should be the new supreme leader. might makes right among the goa'uld
I'm guessing that would be Yu Cronos or Nerrti
What program do you use for editing?
@Critter Filmora, though that’s for video only, for audio I use Adobe Audition.
Honestly think yu could be the best system lord, he was the only goauld i believe would stick to his word when forming alliances with earth and other factions
Please do a video just on yu
@Lee H well I guess I could do a video about myself, I don’t if anybody would want to watch it…. Oh you meant Yu.😉
@@sg-24 lol
why wasnt yu counted he seemed to have all 3 of your points other then the ru family thing
@Chip Kolat mostly it seemed that while he was a good leader, he lacked the military muscle to enforce his will. Also I think he knows the job sucks and doesn’t want it.
I thint this ignores Apophis' actual effects within canon. Sure, he was a lame supervillian on screen, but in lore he was at war with Ra, and it was Ra's death that let him rise up and prevent any other system lords from taking Ra's place. I imagine most Goa'uld were sitting in their territory safe and cozy until Ra died, then Apophis immediately shows up and starts wreaking havoc, and the Tauri start getting gud too. It was a lot of noise and it was oney because of the 'death' of Apophis that other Goa'uld who were allied with Ra could come outta hiding.
The death of Chronus didn't do shit for nobody.
@Sozeb Ffej out of curiosity we’re doing you get your lore. That’s not me trying to be a smart a$& I’m generally curious. As most lore pages (fandom, gatewrd, lexicon) don’t have anything on Apophis history prior to start of show. As for Cronus death, the Tok’ra did site it was one of the reasons for the system lord summit.
@@sg-24 I grew up watching this show and I've seen every episode of both SG-1 and Atlantis *literally* hundreds of times each. That's not hyperbole, this show eats a lot of what I could've spent learning maths or something.
I couldn't tell you the exact episode but this lore definitely comes from one or two lines of Daniel talking about Goa'uld lore and egyptology to other people: stuff so small many ignore it yet which got burned into my mind through subsequent rewatches.
The lore about Apophis is early on, check the first handful of episodes in s1 of SG1 and listen to when he's explaining boring shit to Hammond or the rest of the conference room: most people turn off their brain when Daniel talks, I get a boner.
It'll probably focus the camera in on how bored Jack is looking.
I don't have the means to watch the show and find the exact quotes for you now but I guarantee it isn't past the first season.
I didn't watch up till when you start talking about him in this till yet.
I agree that the writers handled him very poorly. They hyped him up with the subtext and refused to kill him while making him look pathetic at every turn.
I was never a fan of him, but my dad was so much of a fan he named his pet scorpion after him.
I think Heru'ur would have teamed up with Hath'or, which is to say she would have perfected her Hauk'taur host and lent her super-assassins to him. A king and queen to rule an empire.
@Peter K ummm isn’t Hathor his mom?
@@sg-24 No idea.
Here's the trick.
Ra kept power as supreme System lord using the old Ming The Merciless technique of keeping the other System Lords warring amongst themselves to stop them from coming against him. If any one System Lord looked like they were gaining enough power to threaten him Ra would unite the others against them (see Sokar) otherwise they were too busy scheming against each other to really be a threat.
The Asguard saw this and used the same trick to keep them from attacking the protected planets. As to why Ra didn't attack the Asguard... The Asguard were not a direct threat and did not affect him or his rule.
So after Ra's surprise death it could be easily speculated that a Cold War, of sorts, came over the System Lords. Their various forces and territories had been balanced on a knife edge for thousands of years. They were busy making alliances and agreements, worried that upstarts (like as you speculated Ba'al to be and Imhotep tried to become) or that other System lords would gain too much of Ra's old power.
From a speculation front... Ba'al was consolidating his power, he'd be the one most likely to forge alliances from his position. Uniting the so called lesser lords and quietly absorbing them under his overall command. Heru'ur struck me as the upstart son, he'd be the one grabbing most of his Father's old territory and at the same time taking risks to prove himself. Kronos, with the lions share of the Fleets, would be methodically if rashly absorbing as much territory as he could. Apophis meanwhile seemed to be focused on technological development, Something he had been working on for quite some time. Creating a new super advanced Host long before Nirrti (the Harcicis child), faster Hyperspace drives, Wormhole capable gliders and other examples.
With all this going on it's easy to see how the smallest sign of weakness on any front would lead to the others pouncing. it was only after it was confirmed that the Tau'ri were actively responsible for the deaths of so meany, and not just lucky, did they turn their attention to Earth. And even then they were far more suspicious of others of their kind to actually do anyhthing about it.
Yes another supreme system lord might have turned the tide, but with the Tok'ra, the growing Jaffa rebellion and the Tau'ri knocking down potential candidates left and right there just wasn't enough cooperation amongst the survivors to organise anything before the Replicator threat upended the Galaxy yet again
So you can pronounce his name right...but have you got Vala right yet ;)
@Heath B the weird thing is I can say it normally on mic, but on mic I trip up.
This is an older video of yours, but something you mentioned off handedly was inspiration for me to check and gave me, Interesting results lets just say. That being earth is the most populated Planet in the Galaxy. Well going by context clues, intentions by the writers, and other stuff. I've found while earth is very much up there the most populous, they aren't per say alone in having billions of people.
It's a bit of a complicated subject ive been doing and it's a pain in the ass with revision, rpg, novel, and show referencing. As well as IRL influences when not otherwise contradictories or told in universe a fact about said planet. Which got me down to a set of worlds that hold the Titles of most populated human worlds. Of which theirs like 15 out of 200 known named planets that are inhibited by humans that are not Alien worlds. (Not counting Goa'uld)
And in order of Largest to lowest populations, Staring with Above 6 Billion are Eldeore (10) Aschen Prime (Assumed 9) because Farm worlds feeding one, Hebridan (Assumed 9) with the wrinkle of the Serrakin also making up a good amount of people. Bedrosia (Assumed 8 billion) their more advanced than earth and occupy large areas of the planet. Earth, Orban, Galar, and P4M-328 all range from 6-7 billion people, due to being on roughly the same technological era. With Orban being the outlier here since their more advanced by a few decades.
Finaly we get to below 6 billion and are effectively either late industrial or late cold war (1900s-1980s), Which i'll rapid fire here. Vyus (1 billion), Pangar (1.7), Langara (2.3), Tegalus (2.6), and Tagrea (4.5).
Last outlier is Tollana may have around 1.4 billion people due to Estimates by SGC by how many canons would take to protect earths population. So I just did some basic math to figure that one out. Which makes sense since they escaped their old world's destruction and called back their old colonies. So despite being highly advanced their population took a massive hit.
I got the google doc if you check it out. Planning on doing the Pegasus worlds but that would be a fools effort and mostly me making assumptions on tech rather than strict population numbers since, you know. Wraith culling's. If i also got time i'll organize them better by population and of those under Goa'uld control. Just, something i like to do i suppose.
docs.google.com/document/d/1BMBwJwghSsCw4_NEZ3_KNPbCPHa0P-h_ilylLSDjqJc/edit?usp=sharing
...I realized how much i've put into a sourcing stuff for a franchise ive known only originally as a neat thing on tv and only recently gone all in on in the past year or so. Wow im a bit to dedicated for my own good.
Honestly I’m impressed. I’ll definitely check this out and try and fit into one of my videos one day. But with that kind of determination have you ever thought about doing a video yourself. You 100% have done the research for it.
Heru'ur & Hathor should have hooked up...Mother and Son (gao'uld style) Hathor leading politically and Her'ur leading militarily / expansionist.
So before i watch this...
Teal'c should have.
He could have used his power to set people on a different path of knowledge and truth.
@Heath B Teal’c… as Supreme System Lord?……. Okay.
@@sg-24 Yeah i know it sounds weird and the Goa'uld would never let an underling become a lord...but since he betrays them and ends up destroying the falsde gods anyway...I just thought it would have been cool if he took over and caused their destruction from within. Just an idea is all.
Remember, the RPG isn't canon.
My belief about the ships at earth is economic. The Goaulds use mostly slave labor. They are lazy and Ra probably kept most fights from escalating into all out war. It was expensive and annoying to build ships.
But after the failure at Earth the Goauld converted to a war economy so you saw a gradual increase in number of ships and inter Goauld fighting until Anubis arrived. Toward the end, you also saw Goauld abandoning more marginal worlds to more cost effectively defend territory.
Heru-ur has the coolest Jaffa suits.
Anubis
Honestly, yeah I can see that. Though he was banned.
An ancient Chinese God, a tree, a female sheep, and the person reading this. What do they all have in common?
All you. Ewe, Yu, yew.
What is Ra?
He doesn't look like a Gou'uld
I butchered thier species name.
It's from the movie Stargate made by Roland Emmerich that was originally suppose to be a trilogy. The TV show SG1 was done without his input but used the movie as a starting point for the shows main characters, the shows writers, created the lore around the Goa'uld.
The supreme system lord thing wasnt a real thing. The Asgard would have done their best to stop him.
Most likely it was just a title
@Jon Reese possibly not, it was made cannon (in rpg book) that Ra had an Asgard as a host and gain access to some of their tech.
@@sg-24 i dont know the rpg lore.
its possible Apophis became a paper tiger he was once a power but he was in decline and he was left with relying on his reputation and backing from Ra to keep his position. It is interesting that Ra had an adult son and Apophis only selected Amoneth and Klorel's host after Ra's death.
Ra's death was Apophis freedom to build a real powerbase. Its why he wanted to establish Klorel's rule over Earth. Far from Goauld territory
@@sg-24 so basically after he lost 2 ships the others found out the emperor had no clothes
@@sg-24 I just realize something if Apophis was a paper tiger that Ra was backing. Why was Ra backing him?
The answer is Sokar. Sokar didnt make his move until Apophis was taken down. Is it possible that Ra was backing Apophis so that Sokar will not make his move?
Ra was helping his brother Apophis look like he was still a power so that the other system lords and Sokar wouldnt make a move against them?
Not Ba'al 😔
Me
Yu?
To pronounce Egyptian and fake-Egyptian better, let go of your cheeks when you talk.
Heru-Ur is Her Ooooo Er
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