P.Q. is a quality battery but there are so many good lithium batteries currently it's hard to make a choice. From what I've heard there are only a handful of Lithium battery manufacturers in China you could have the same batteries in 10 different brands.
im gonna answer several questions for yall. i have been running power queen for over two years now. 100ah, 100ah mini, 50 ah, 24v 50ah and 36v 50ah. motors and electronics are nk180/pro, nk300, XI3 motorguide, garmin 106sv-93sv and livescope. never once have i had an issue or lost power during an 8-10 fishing day. hot or cold, just fished Dale Hollow 4 days low of 17° and high of 35°. just warm them up before recharging.
Very cool! Im gonna get some for camp!! Gotta run a small 12V 19 inch TV and a heated blanket. Charging various devices. Run my lighting setup as well. Wanna get a cell signal booster in the future as well. Maybe some security cameras...
The only people still running lead-acid or AGM batteries for their trolling motor or electronics are folks who just don't understand the math that separates "cost" from "value". You can maybe still buy a lead-acid battery for less, although most AGM's cost bascially about the same, but the performance you get from LFP batteries is 4 times as good. You get twice the run-time out of a battery that weighs half as much, plus they will last 2 or 3 times longer, at a minimum. Something a lot of folks fail to grasp about the LFP batteries is how their capacity DOES slowly become less and less, but unlike lead-acid or AGM, when these get "old"...they're still perfectly usable! With lead-acid or AGM, they just won't hold enough voltage anymore, to run your stuff. That doesn't happen with LFP - you just have reduced amp-hours worth of capacity...they still work just fine! :)
It will probably do very well because you’ll need less power because you have higher volts versus running it on a 12 V trolling motor who’s constantly running it wide-open throttle just to make the boat move
@@TinyBoatNation Thanks for the information. Love all your videos have learned a lot in restoring my Astro Bass Boat. Also, have you ever thought about doing a project on a Coleman Crawdad. I have one and would love to see how it would turn out all decked out.
You guys should kit out a 19 foot Grumman canoe they are only 100 and a bit pound stock I’m gonna be doing mine up been watching your videos on how to frame the floors and stuff I’m buying a 9.9 today
I plan to pick one up with the charger and box for my Lowe 1440M to power i just my trolling motor, to bad they can't start my little 8hp Yamaha 4stoke, as I plan to add the starter later on to the engine.
wanting to run a 24v fortex. to save space, runninh 2 12.8v will be better, is there a way i can run them together and charge them together that will work for a 24v setup?
Lithium charging is a simple CC CV. Constant Current Constant Voltage Your charger needs a voltage limit set and a current limit set. Most LiFePO4 can charge at 0.5C ie a 50Ah would be 25A and a 100Ah would be 50A. Recommended charge rate is typically 0.2C and will help you get the full 3,000-5,000 cycles out of it even if you discharge down to 0% ie 100% DOD. So for a 100Ah 12.8V nominal battery you’d want a 14.6V 20A charger..but up to 50A is ok Max charge voltage doesn’t have to be 14.6V….look at a graph of the charge curve and you’ll see at 14V (3.50v per cell) they are at 95%-98% full. Downside is most BMS’s don’t begin balancing until the very top because balancing in the middle actually unbalances the battery because from 10% to 90% SOC voltage does not equal SOC. 3.28V per cell (without a load) can be 50% SOC or 70% SOC. Also keep in mind that once you remove the charger a 12V will settle down to 13.3V or 13.4V. That’s the natural resting voltage of the larger prismatic cells. If you put it on a charger it will fly right up to 14.X volts within a minute or two. If it sits in the mid 13’s for more than a couple minutes with a 0.2C charge rate then it isn’t full. This is why it is highly recommended to use a coulomb counting meter. Knowing how many amp hours have gone in or out is the only way to know SOC
Every battery with "lithium" in it, is technically a "lithium ion" battery. Doesn't matter if it's Li-NMC (nickel, manganese, cobalt), Li-NCA (nickel, cobalt, aluminum oxide), Li-Po (lithium polymer), Li-Titanate (lithium titanium oxide) or Lithium Iron-Phosphate. They are ALL "lithium ion" batteries. However, you are right, this chemistry is not "lithium ion phosphate".
I rig bass boats for a living and usually people that do not buy power queen lithiums spend on a normal set up with 212 inch graphs upfront and two on the consul they will usually spend three to 4000 $ 5000 on the high side on just batteries I can rig boat. with power queens and it’ll be $600 for all of the batteries in it does not even take up half the space
I have been discharging my (2) smart batteries by utilizing the 12 Volt lights in my Toy Hauler RV, approximately 32 watts per the Power Queen Battery monitor. I have noticed through the Power Queen App that the Batteries are not discharging equally. In fact I now have battery (1)12100BG-A00798 at 98% and battery #2 12100BG-A00602 at 23%. I have noticed that battery #1 is in standby mode per the App. Is the standby mode normal, or do I need to take it out of standby mode somehow? If I need to take it out of standby mode how do I do that?
It blows my mind I get the same power from a 24 group size as you do a 31 group size I fish from a Jon boat so I don’t have a lot of room so the 24 size is what I’m going with for all day trolling on a 45lb trolling motor
What about the power queen group 24 smart edition it’s still 100ah and you can use it as a starting Battery since you can pull 500 max amps at 1 second and something like 20amps to charge it so that should be OK to run if you’re out board motor has a 55 amp alternator I’m about to try
I use the 50 AH version with a fairly light 12.5' kayak, trolling slow (~1.5 mph, because I am usually targeting Kokanee). Five or six hours of mostly trolling with a downrigger, plus a little bit with the motor "cranked" on my return to the dock generally uses around 25AH if my charger can be trusted. That said, wind can really make a difference, and I did manage to kill it one time in less that six hours on a blustery day. It failed in sudden fashion as stated in the video when I was headed back and had the motor at maximum (I think drawing 21 amps for my 24-lb motor), but after it reset I was able to motor home at reduce speed. So it really depends on how heavy your boat is, how fast you troll, what you are dragging like downriggers or lake trolls, and especially conditions. I'd think it would be about right.
@@Fairdemand554 Not necessarily in terms of maximum continuous draw. Check the battery manufacturers specs, a lot of the the 50ah are rated for 50 amps continuous draw, but not all.
Dumb question.....Is a group 24 100ah equal to the same power as a group 31 100ah battery? And is the mini 100ah equal to the other bigger batteries. In other words, if it says 100ah and you put equal charges on all 3 batteries, with they pretty much all run out of power at the same time?
fyi that is not a smart charger , charging is controlled by the bms. the charger just puts out 14,v or so. also if you live in a cold climate please get low temp protection on the bms... E Even with a hobby grade lithium charger , it delfaults to bms control. issues with motor and lifepo4 is alternator output. and there are lifepo4 batteries for starting but the bms is the big cost. don't advise you using lifepo4 unless you know what you are doing as a starter battery. the mini's do ok but most are flat pack lifepo4 set up. check your amp draw on your trolling motor before you purchase a battery. some older TM draw high amps as the brushes get worn. guy had a old minn kota 45 lb and it was pulling 85 amps going straight to hi. when it shouldn't be over 40 amps. swapped out his brusshes and 38 amps bms never tripped again. prices are coming down almost not worth building your own lifepo4 batteries. there are plenty of people who tear these batteries down and look at build quality etc. will prose is probably the best at this and has the knowledge of construction etc. do not try to charge a frozen lifepo4 , be a bad day. there are better options coming soon. built a 200ah 24v and can go days in the stratos. don't fall into the trap that certain american co. batteries are better lol, there buying the parts and building them then charging you top dollar. have repaired sevral that were just poor constuction , used cells etc.
Id be all for it if they could be a starter battery. But they arent .. i use a single large agm battery. And a small agm with one of these weighs the same anyways
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P.Q. is a quality battery but there are so many good lithium batteries currently it's hard to make a choice. From what I've heard there are only a handful of Lithium battery manufacturers in China you could have the same batteries in 10 different brands.
@@AkashicSeer I'm not sure that's correct across the board. What's the video so I can check it out?
Power queen servise service very poor and after three weeks and 11 emails with Ian still nothing and every time he says he will solve it...
I've had two power queens for a year and they get heavy use. Zero problems so far. 👍
What charger do you use?
@@txhntr26 NOCO Genius 10x2
Glad you are on board with these finally!
im gonna answer several questions for yall. i have been running power queen for over two years now. 100ah, 100ah mini, 50 ah, 24v 50ah and 36v 50ah.
motors and electronics are nk180/pro, nk300, XI3 motorguide, garmin 106sv-93sv and livescope.
never once have i had an issue or lost power during an 8-10 fishing day. hot or cold, just fished Dale Hollow 4 days low of 17° and high of 35°. just warm them up before recharging.
Very cool! Im gonna get some for camp!!
Gotta run a small 12V 19 inch TV and a heated blanket.
Charging various devices.
Run my lighting setup as well.
Wanna get a cell signal booster in the future as well. Maybe some security cameras...
The Power Queen 100ah is a great battery, i'm running five of them in parallel in my small 2000 watt solar system here in Jamaica.
The only people still running lead-acid or AGM batteries for their trolling motor or electronics are folks who just don't understand the math that separates "cost" from "value". You can maybe still buy a lead-acid battery for less, although most AGM's cost bascially about the same, but the performance you get from LFP batteries is 4 times as good. You get twice the run-time out of a battery that weighs half as much, plus they will last 2 or 3 times longer, at a minimum. Something a lot of folks fail to grasp about the LFP batteries is how their capacity DOES slowly become less and less, but unlike lead-acid or AGM, when these get "old"...they're still perfectly usable! With lead-acid or AGM, they just won't hold enough voltage anymore, to run your stuff. That doesn't happen with LFP - you just have reduced amp-hours worth of capacity...they still work just fine! :)
I have switched to LiFePo4 now in my small solar system in Jamaica for nearly a year now and i'm so glad i did.
@@lawrencedavidson6195hi which brand did u get?
@@jcardosa02 Power Queen 100ah, i have 5 of them now.
@@lawrencedavidson6195 thanks so much
Another TBN video!! YESSS!!!!
What are your thoughts of running two of the 50ah on a 24 volt trolling motor. (Minn Kota Powerdrive)
It will probably do very well because you’ll need less power because you have higher volts versus running it on a 12 V trolling motor who’s constantly running it wide-open throttle just to make the boat move
@@TinyBoatNation Thanks for the information. Love all your videos have learned a lot in restoring my Astro Bass Boat. Also, have you ever thought about doing a project on a Coleman Crawdad. I have one and would love to see how it would turn out all decked out.
You guys should kit out a 19 foot Grumman canoe they are only 100 and a bit pound stock I’m gonna be doing mine up been watching your videos on how to frame the floors and stuff I’m buying a 9.9 today
I plan to pick one up with the charger and box for my Lowe 1440M to power i
just my trolling motor, to bad they can't start my little 8hp Yamaha 4stoke, as I plan to add the starter later on to the engine.
Would the 100ah 12 volt run a 34lb thrust trolling motor on a 12 ft boat 8hours plus no problem?? Love ur vids!
O yeah without a issue at all.
Great video!
Can i run them in parallel to make 24 volts for a 24 volt trolling motor? Thanks
You can run them in series to do that, yes.
wanting to run a 24v fortex. to save space, runninh 2 12.8v will be better, is there a way i can run them together and charge them together that will work for a 24v setup?
I just run them in series and get a two Bank charger
@@TinyBoatNation so do they still charge at 12v when run that way?
R they still working good for u. I think to get one just for my electronic
Are they ok to charge of an outboards auxiliary charger and rectifier?
Power queen does not recommend their batteries as a starter batteries
NO! Do not try to charge any LiFePO4 battery from a standard generator, alternator or magneto.
Lithium charging is a simple CC CV.
Constant Current
Constant Voltage
Your charger needs a voltage limit set and a current limit set. Most LiFePO4 can charge at 0.5C ie a 50Ah would be 25A and a 100Ah would be 50A. Recommended charge rate is typically 0.2C and will help you get the full 3,000-5,000 cycles out of it even if you discharge down to 0% ie 100% DOD.
So for a 100Ah 12.8V nominal battery you’d want a 14.6V 20A charger..but up to 50A is ok
Max charge voltage doesn’t have to be 14.6V….look at a graph of the charge curve and you’ll see at 14V (3.50v per cell) they are at 95%-98% full. Downside is most BMS’s don’t begin balancing until the very top because balancing in the middle actually unbalances the battery because from 10% to 90% SOC voltage does not equal SOC. 3.28V per cell (without a load) can be 50% SOC or 70% SOC.
Also keep in mind that once you remove the charger a 12V will settle down to 13.3V or 13.4V. That’s the natural resting voltage of the larger prismatic cells. If you put it on a charger it will fly right up to 14.X volts within a minute or two. If it sits in the mid 13’s for more than a couple minutes with a 0.2C charge rate then it isn’t full. This is why it is highly recommended to use a coulomb counting meter. Knowing how many amp hours have gone in or out is the only way to know SOC
LI = lithium , FE= iron , Po= phosphate , no ion in it !
Fe = good, ion = bad
Got it, thanks.
Every battery with "lithium" in it, is technically a "lithium ion" battery. Doesn't matter if it's Li-NMC (nickel, manganese, cobalt), Li-NCA (nickel, cobalt, aluminum oxide), Li-Po (lithium polymer), Li-Titanate (lithium titanium oxide) or Lithium Iron-Phosphate. They are ALL "lithium ion" batteries. However, you are right, this chemistry is not "lithium ion phosphate".
All batteries work through ion transfer. The lithium is transferred in the form of an ion within LiFePO4 batteries
Will the mini or reg size 100 ah battery fit in a marine battery box?
I rig bass boats for a living and usually people that do not buy power queen lithiums spend on a normal set up with 212 inch graphs upfront and two on the consul they will usually spend three to 4000 $ 5000 on the high side on just batteries I can rig boat.
with power queens and it’ll be $600 for all of the batteries in it does not even take up half the space
I have been discharging my (2) smart batteries by utilizing the 12 Volt lights in my Toy Hauler RV, approximately 32 watts per the Power Queen Battery monitor. I have noticed through the Power Queen App that the Batteries are not discharging equally. In fact I now have battery (1)12100BG-A00798 at 98% and battery #2 12100BG-A00602 at 23%. I have noticed that battery #1 is in standby mode per the App. Is the standby mode normal, or do I need to take it out of standby mode somehow? If I need to take it out of standby mode how do I do that?
It blows my mind I get the same power from a 24 group size as you do a 31 group size I fish from a Jon boat so I don’t have a lot of room so the 24 size is what I’m going with for all day trolling on a 45lb trolling motor
Got mine today. Weight in at 21.8pounds. The standard version
What about the power queen group 24 smart edition it’s still 100ah and you can use it as a starting Battery since you can pull 500 max amps at 1 second and something like 20amps to charge it so that should be OK to run if you’re out board motor has a 55 amp alternator I’m about to try
I have no idea
You go ahead and do that. Im going to take a hard pass.
Wish they had the mini last year when I got my first lithium battery.
Would the 100ah 12 volt run a 34 lb thrust 12 ft boat 8 hours plus no problem??
I use the 50 AH version with a fairly light 12.5' kayak, trolling slow (~1.5 mph, because I am usually targeting Kokanee). Five or six hours of mostly trolling with a downrigger, plus a little bit with the motor "cranked" on my return to the dock generally uses around 25AH if my charger can be trusted. That said, wind can really make a difference, and I did manage to kill it one time in less that six hours on a blustery day. It failed in sudden fashion as stated in the video when I was headed back and had the motor at maximum (I think drawing 21 amps for my 24-lb motor), but after it reset I was able to motor home at reduce speed. So it really depends on how heavy your boat is, how fast you troll, what you are dragging like downriggers or lake trolls, and especially conditions. I'd think it would be about right.
Would I be ok using a 50ah with a 55 pound trolling motor on a bass raider?
Yes. A 50ah lithium is comparable to a 100ah wet cell battery
@@Fairdemand554 Not necessarily in terms of maximum continuous draw. Check the battery manufacturers specs, a lot of the the 50ah are rated for 50 amps continuous draw, but not all.
The batteries must be in parallel, not series or you’ll get 36V.
Would be nice if power queen offered multi bank chargers. I dont want to have multiple chargers in my 4 battery boat.
Real pro RS4 charger is the best one for multiple 12 V lithium batteries
Dumb question.....Is a group 24 100ah equal to the same power as a group 31 100ah battery? And is the mini 100ah equal to the other bigger batteries. In other words, if it says 100ah and you put equal charges on all 3 batteries, with they pretty much all run out of power at the same time?
If it’s 100 amp hours, then it’s 100 amp hours no matter the size or group
fyi that is not a smart charger , charging is controlled by the bms. the charger just puts out 14,v or so. also if you live in a cold climate please get low temp protection on the bms... E Even with a hobby grade lithium charger , it delfaults to bms control. issues with motor and lifepo4 is alternator output. and there are lifepo4 batteries for starting but the bms is the big cost. don't advise you using lifepo4 unless you know what you are doing as a starter battery. the mini's do ok but most are flat pack lifepo4 set up. check your amp draw on your trolling motor before you purchase a battery. some older TM draw high amps as the brushes get worn. guy had a old minn kota 45 lb and it was pulling 85 amps going straight to hi. when it shouldn't be over 40 amps. swapped out his brusshes and 38 amps bms never tripped again. prices are coming down almost not worth building your own lifepo4 batteries. there are plenty of people who tear these batteries down and look at build quality etc. will prose is probably the best at this and has the knowledge of construction etc. do not try to charge a frozen lifepo4 , be a bad day. there are better options coming soon. built a 200ah 24v and can go days in the stratos. don't fall into the trap that certain american co. batteries are better lol, there buying the parts and building them then charging you top dollar. have repaired sevral that were just poor constuction , used cells etc.
LMAO, my garage ceiling is doing that too!
Mini is smaller yes but it does not have low temp feature
Are you going to be fishing in freezing weather?
Id be all for it if they could be a starter battery. But they arent .. i use a single large agm battery. And a small agm with one of these weighs the same anyways
What small AGM weighs the same as a small LiFePO4?
@@jasonbroom7147 if you combine the bigger lipo and a small amg it was within 5lbs or less
@@jasonbroom7147 a small AGM AND one of these batteries, weighs the same AS my 1 large AGM
LOL no it does not weigh the same.
@@SOLDOZER yes. A single small agm with the 100ah lithium weighs the same as this as a 78lb 100ah agm. Exactly as i stated
Very nice 👌 👍
100ah led acid is not $300. Theyre $100-$150 usually
Hello
Here's a teardown of the 100AH battery (well their design from a year ago at least) ruclips.net/video/jR5_7mCGtI0/видео.html
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Hey Mike. Don't know how to contact you directly. Can you get me a new 2.5 Suzuki by the middle of March? I'm in the Tucson area. Thanks, Jim.
Hey Mike, I have a Bic/Sportyak 245. Looking for a new 2.5 hp Suzuki.
Rather buy from you.
Check us out on TBNation.net. You can call our customer service line if you need me and we can get you that motor.