The Segal locks are still made with top quality bronze castings, I bought several double cyliner locks for the house and keyed them to one key with a repinning kit, I did a review on the lock as well.
I watched your installation video and want to thank you very much for taking the time to show the world how it's done. I was wondering though, isn't the key cylinder supposed to be on the other side of the door? Also, I would remind the novice do-it-yourselfers to paint the area cut away for the angled striker? All-in-all though, I learned what I needed in order to mount my new single-cylinder deadlock. You made it look easy. I hope that's how it goes for me. Again, thank you.
Yes, you are correct the key cylinder should be facing INTO the house. This was filmed on our "Demo" home built inside our warehouse. It's a small house, without a roof, and it's basically inside out to make filming easier for us.
The key cylinder may very well be a Segal cylinder. Some other companies use Segal cylinders in their locks. We also sell the cylinders separately, so however they get used is not up to us.
"A minimal amount of tools"... I'm a locksmith and I install these locks with a drill (with all the necessary drill/driving bits) and a cutter (for shortening the screws and the tailpiece).
This is one of the best locks on the market.... needed 911 one time for Medical and they couldn't kick the door in and they had to break in a window to get in.. lol lol Now my neighbor has a key just in case.. ~Nick~
A door with a glass center is always such a wonderful idea for the home. I mean, no thief would ever consider breaking that glass, right? They have honor, after all.
is it EXACTLY like the lock in the video? If not, I'll either need a part number or a photo of the parts as you have them, as we have a few different Segal locks.
Um...one question: Regarding the deadbolt already installed in the video on the door BELOW the Segalock being installed. Why is the keyway facing INSIDE the house and the thumbturn on the OUTSIDE? Is that lock not installed backwards? See video at 5:32. Thanks.
DOCTORJAN714 Good Eye !!! I actually have a possible explanation for that. The door is mounted to a display room we used to have. If you look through the window at the beginning of the video, you'll see bricks. This display room was built like a house, but inside out. The inside had wood siding, bricks, aluminum siding, etc.. So when you were inside, you can see how the products would look from the outside of the house. It was actually kinda neat. When we went to shoot the Segal video it was easier to shoot from the outside or should I say inside. Non of this really explains why the deadbolt keyway is facing the same direction as the thumbturn on the Segal lock. We had however used that door for lots of photos, videos, etc. , and it probably got switched around by someone needing a specific shot of something.
@@PrimeLineHowTo I want to install without using the key, I’m putting it on a door from my garage that opens to a small backyard that I can only access through this door. I also have a wood barrier on brackets. What extra security would installing with a key outside buy me? Someone would have to hop a 6ft redwood ear fence to get in my backyard. I have a ring system. This is also a small city residence.
@@debbiecohen356 You can install it without the cylinder. You would just skip the steps involving drilling and mounting of the back plate for the cylinder.
It won't let me post it in a comment. Click "Show More" under the description of the video and you'll see it there. or you can click the link to the website, and you'll find it there as well.
We sell double cylinder versions where you would need a key to unlock from both the inside and the outside. www.primeline.net/product-categories/door-security/segal#/orderby=5&pagenumber=3
I have a lock like this, but the thumb turn seems to be backwards. I have to turn it counter clockwise to lock it and clockwise to unlock it! any ideas?
I would like to purchase this lock to use only as a "deadlock" and not install the cylinder portion. That way it will only lock from the inside. Is this possible? Or will it make the lock unsecured? Thank you.
The only difference is you won't be able to unlock from the outside. If you just want it for security when you are inside the house this will work fine. Be sure and save all of the parts in case you change your mind later you'll be able to install the cylinder.
Tried to edit my original comment, but RUclips is being difficult. Without installing the cylinder, there will only be the 4 screws holding the lock housing on the door. With the cylinder installed, there are two more screws that go through the door to hold the cylinder. This makes the whole unit much stronger. So even if you don't use the cylinder, it's wise to install it.
Prime Line I'm not a locksmith, but I agree with you. The strength of this lock is best utilized if it grips the door with the maximum amount of leverage protection. Simple geometry: if the lock cylinder is gripping through the door and being screwed in on the other side (with those two extra screws) then I assume it would be stronger. That loop piece that attaches to the frame isn't going anywhere, so it's the main part of that lock that needs to have a good grip on the door and be fastened down nice and good.
I have a Segal lock (like what you have but a single silver color. Yours is two tone - silver and coppery.) that's at least 15 years old. Just this week, it was hard to insert the key and turn it. So, I used a graphite lube. That made it easy insert to the key. However, the key still doesn't turn fully. The key turns but can't turn further to make the deadbolt move. While the key can't turn fully, the thumb turn can be turned easily to move the deadbolt up/down. If I turn the thumb turn partially (clockwise or counterclockwise), the key can then be turned fully (C or CC). What do you think is wrong? Is it just a matter of further cleaning or is there a mechanical problem (e.g., locks needs to be replaced)?
I have this same lock do to losing my key I would like to change the cylinder my local home depot sells segal replacement cylinder but it look sort of different from the one shown with not a all the way circle body the top of has a different shape can I use this one?
Hi +eden5097 You can't just cut a specific key and now you have a master key for all Segal cylinders. A locksmith would have to prepare each cylinder to have a master key for all of them even it they're "keyed" differently.
Thanks Austin for your comments, but we disagree. We have original product from the 1920’s on , and the construction, design, casting weight and function remain largely unchanged.
They don't make them like they use to. I have one on my door thats probably from the 50's. Its build quality inside and out and heft is far superior to the new ones.
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The Segal locks are still made with top quality bronze castings, I bought several double cyliner locks for the house and keyed them to one key with a repinning kit, I did a review on the lock as well.
I'd like to see an install on a steel apartment door.
Yes that’s the door I have 😭
Same concept. When you are drilling the bore hole use low speed
I watched your installation video and want to thank you very much for taking the time to show the world how it's done. I was wondering though, isn't the key cylinder supposed to be on the other side of the door? Also, I would remind the novice do-it-yourselfers to paint the area cut away for the angled striker? All-in-all though, I learned what I needed in order to mount my new single-cylinder deadlock. You made it look easy. I hope that's how it goes for me. Again, thank you.
Yes, you are correct the key cylinder should be facing INTO the house. This was filmed on our "Demo" home built inside our warehouse. It's a small house, without a roof, and it's basically inside out to make filming easier for us.
The key cylinder may very well be a Segal cylinder. Some other companies use Segal cylinders in their locks. We also sell the cylinders separately, so however they get used is not up to us.
"A minimal amount of tools"...
I'm a locksmith and I install these locks with a drill (with all the necessary drill/driving bits) and a cutter (for shortening the screws and the tailpiece).
Got to love them old timers
They know their shit
Was hoping to see more of the actual mortising!
That’s the only reason why I watched 😅
This is one of the best locks on the market.... needed 911 one time for Medical and they couldn't kick the door in and they had to break in a window to get in.. lol lol Now my neighbor has a key just in case..
~Nick~
A door with a glass center is always such a wonderful idea for the home. I mean, no thief would ever consider breaking that glass, right? They have honor, after all.
LOL... Honor among thieves. 😂
They Make these with keys on the inside as well
Or Break the window beside the Door.
“Locks are for honest people “
Great video. Thank you!
Joshua Rosa, you can use any brand of rim cylinder to replace your existing cylinder. Any qualified locksmith can sell you a new rim cylinder.
is it EXACTLY like the lock in the video? If not, I'll either need a part number or a photo of the parts as you have them, as we have a few different Segal locks.
Mu question is can i install without the out part the cylinder , just the inside part
Yes. The lock will work the same, you just won't be able to unlock from the outside.
Wow thank you so much for answer my question 👍
Um...one question: Regarding the deadbolt already installed in the video on the door BELOW the Segalock being installed. Why is the keyway facing INSIDE the house and the thumbturn on the OUTSIDE? Is that lock not installed backwards? See video at 5:32. Thanks.
DOCTORJAN714 Good Eye !!!
I actually have a possible explanation for that. The door is mounted to a display room we used to have. If you look through the window at the beginning of the video, you'll see bricks. This display room was built like a house, but inside out. The inside had wood siding, bricks, aluminum siding, etc.. So when you were inside, you can see how the products would look from the outside of the house. It was actually kinda neat.
When we went to shoot the Segal video it was easier to shoot from the outside or should I say inside. Non of this really explains why the deadbolt keyway is facing the same direction as the thumbturn on the Segal lock. We had however used that door for lots of photos, videos, etc. , and it probably got switched around by someone needing a specific shot of something.
Is there any company that installs these pads?
Hey , what do you do if you misaligned the lock at the end?
Shim the latch plate out until it lines up with minimal to no interference.
Can you use this lock without drilling through the door and using the key, so it's operational only from the inside?
You can, but we recommend that the cylinder is installed as well so you can also secure your home while you are away.
@@PrimeLineHowTo I want to install without using the key, I’m putting it on a door from my garage that opens to a small backyard that I can only access through this door. I also have a wood barrier on brackets. What extra security would installing with a key outside buy me? Someone would have to hop a 6ft redwood ear fence to get in my backyard. I have a ring system. This is also a small city residence.
@@debbiecohen356 You can install it without the cylinder. You would just skip the steps involving drilling and mounting of the back plate for the cylinder.
It won't let me post it in a comment. Click "Show More" under the description of the video and you'll see it there. or you can click the link to the website, and you'll find it there as well.
Thanks. I installed my first lock-not bad
do the locks come with key entry and exit? I have a window so need it to be keyed inside and out.
We sell double cylinder versions where you would need a key to unlock from both the inside and the outside. www.primeline.net/product-categories/door-security/segal#/orderby=5&pagenumber=3
I have a lock like this, but the thumb turn seems to be backwards. I have to turn it counter clockwise to lock it and clockwise to unlock it! any ideas?
I would like to purchase this lock to use only as a "deadlock" and not install the cylinder portion. That way it will only lock from the inside. Is this possible? Or will it make the lock unsecured? Thank you.
The only difference is you won't be able to unlock from the outside. If you just want it for security when you are inside the house this will work fine. Be sure and save all of the parts in case you change your mind later you'll be able to install the cylinder.
Tried to edit my original comment, but RUclips is being difficult. Without installing the cylinder, there will only be the 4 screws holding the lock housing on the door. With the cylinder installed, there are two more screws that go through the door to hold the cylinder. This makes the whole unit much stronger. So even if you don't use the cylinder, it's wise to install it.
Prime Line I'm not a locksmith, but I agree with you. The strength of this lock is best utilized if it grips the door with the maximum amount of leverage protection. Simple geometry: if the lock cylinder is gripping through the door and being screwed in on the other side (with those two extra screws) then I assume it would be stronger. That loop piece that attaches to the frame isn't going anywhere, so it's the main part of that lock that needs to have a good grip on the door and be fastened down nice and good.
Can this be installed into metal?
I have a Segal lock (like what you have but a single silver color. Yours is two tone - silver and coppery.) that's at least 15 years old. Just this week, it was hard to insert the key and turn it. So, I used a graphite lube. That made it easy insert to the key. However, the key still doesn't turn fully. The key turns but can't turn further to make the deadbolt move.
While the key can't turn fully, the thumb turn can be turned easily to move the deadbolt up/down. If I turn the thumb turn partially (clockwise or counterclockwise), the key can then be turned fully (C or CC).
What do you think is wrong? Is it just a matter of further cleaning or is there a mechanical problem (e.g., locks needs to be replaced)?
Never use graphite for locks 😢😢 reinstall it or just replace the cylinder, the tail piece might be damaged.
Can we add a keypad electric lock to this?
I have this same lock do to losing my key I would like to change the cylinder my local home depot sells segal replacement cylinder but it look sort of different from the one shown with not a all the way circle body the top of has a different shape can I use this one?
The cylinder that we currently have for sale at Home Depot should work for you.
Can you install this lock on a door that opens outward?
no
You are more than welcome.
Great work!!! ☺
What if your door isn't totally solid though..
can this type of lock be replaced with a Kwikset Smart keyless entry deadbolt?
Hi, We don't sell the Kwikset locks so we wouldn't be able to tell you.
Kwikset is cheap JUNK
EXCELLENT VIDEO! EXCELLENT
Is the lock made in China, or USA?
My customer service rep emailed you a photo of the internals of our Segal lock. Unfortunately your lock is not a Segal lock.
Thanks! I just saved 175.00 🎉
What size was that hole saw ?
1-3/8 in.
If you need to send a photo, the e-mail address is in the description of the video.
what keyway code for the segal deadbolt would you use if you want to master key this lock?
Hi +eden5097 You can't just cut a specific key and now you have a master key for all Segal cylinders. A locksmith would have to prepare each cylinder to have a master key for all of them even it they're "keyed" differently.
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you not supposed to use that golden plate is unnecessary if you have a mental appartment door just use the standard one to screw the celinder
Thanks Austin for your comments, but we disagree. We have original product from the 1920’s on , and the construction, design, casting weight and function remain largely unchanged.
Now go kick it in see if it holds
excellent,,,thanks
They don't make them like they use to. I have one on my door thats probably from the 50's. Its build quality inside and out and heft is far superior to the new ones.
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Hope nobody thinks to knock that window out and reach in and twist the knobs...
We also sell one that requires a key on the inside as well.
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