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  • Опубликовано: 28 янв 2025

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  • @WrenTheWreckless
    @WrenTheWreckless 2 года назад +71

    I like the crit seeking ability of the 9FC, but the 9J's philosophy of "why crit seek when you can just core it" speaks to me.

  • @abaddonblack1294
    @abaddonblack1294 Год назад +5

    'If the Marauder was the tip of the Star Leagues sword, then the Nightstar was the Star Leagues angry fist!'

  • @NRSGuardian
    @NRSGuardian 2 года назад +19

    Considering how common 4/6 Assault Mechs, like the Victor, Zeus, Battlemaster, and Banshee 5S, are in the FedCom inventory it makes sense that they would be willing to trade a little bit of firepower for the extra speed to allow a Mech like the Nightstar to keep up with the rest of the AFFC's 4/6 Assaults. Also, The 9FC like the Banshee 5S show that Inner Sphere XL engines are best used to increase the speed of an already well-armed and armored Mech. Most Mechs however use IS XL engines to add more firepower, without increasing survivability, which just means they get quickly focused down and don't get to use all that added firepower.

    • @Ti-nf4fq
      @Ti-nf4fq Год назад +2

      The fact that xl engine mechs are twice the cost of a reg engine mechs. you should only use them for attacking the enemy. Where you are limited by space in a dropship.

    • @fistan5447
      @fistan5447 10 месяцев назад +1

      tbh, the prime variant 9J didnt need an XL, could've kept the loadout with just ES structure, a bit less ammo and less HS. This one at least makes use of XL with 4/6 movement though i still do not particularly enjoy 4/6 without any form of alternative movement like JJ or MASC/SC. you have +1 movement and run and still dont get additional TMM.

  • @hatework4282
    @hatework4282 2 года назад +13

    I've only ever used the 9J. It's a damn near perfect mech. Hull down and murder everything at medium range.
    LB-10X autocannons are my favorite weapon in Battletech, but I've never even considered giving up 2 gauss rifles for them.
    Good review, as always.
    Edit: grammar

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +2

      The lb-10x is definitely a terrific weapon… great range/heat/damage.

    • @adamcondon5120
      @adamcondon5120 2 года назад +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming but no where as good as a gauss plus you don't have the cluster table

    • @GhastlytheTinkerer
      @GhastlytheTinkerer 2 года назад +2

      You're also getting the engine bumped up with this variant; don't discount that. 9J's one of my favourites, but this is a damn good variant for different purposes because of that.

    • @hatework4282
      @hatework4282 2 года назад +2

      @@GhastlytheTinkerer I think I'm alone on this one, but a 4/6 assault mech doesn't do it for me. 3/5 with range, killing power and reasonable armor is all I'm after. Dire Wolf, Awesome, Nightstar just as examples.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +4

      Gauss > LB-10X
      4/6 > 3/5
      … but its the cost of these variants under discussion that warrants a look. 1800vs2300ish

  • @h.a.9880
    @h.a.9880 2 года назад +14

    I expected the Nightstar to do well in Battlytics, but this is even better than expected. The Nightstar is a nasty foe to anyone trying to slug it out over a long distance. And then this version even comes with 4/6 movement, so it'll be quite mobile for such a heavy Mech.
    That being said, I'd love to see a Battlytics video on the Devastator. 2 PPCs and 2 Gauss Rifles, I'd expect that Mech to be really good, too. And, of course, if you get some of these new fancy Army Painter Speedpaints, I'd love to see a video on painting minis.

    • @Ti-nf4fq
      @Ti-nf4fq Год назад +2

      The Devastator is devastating 😁 Great mech. I once striped it of armor using LRM carriers. In one turn. It was amazing and very memorable.

  • @Zeeke01
    @Zeeke01 2 года назад +4

    Holy crap! I didn't expect it to perform so well! This is a great mech! I loved the default config with the dual Gauss Rifles and Medium PLasers and the PPCs... This seems like an excellent variant to keep the enemy guessing

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +2

      It’s also a lot cheaper than the other - so nice savings that help with the efficiency!

  • @Fenris86
    @Fenris86 2 года назад +7

    The Nightstar, lookswise, is kind of a mix between my two favorite 'mechs, the Marauder and the Ebon Jaguar. And the new sculpt actually looks as badass as its backstory.

  • @gavincross2902
    @gavincross2902 2 года назад +2

    Ahhh, well done. My weekly dose of BT us now satisfied.... :)

  • @redbaronsnoopy2346
    @redbaronsnoopy2346 2 года назад +3

    Love all the videos, keep up that great work, and look forward to more. Thank you.

  • @jackrogers5712
    @jackrogers5712 2 года назад +1

    Happy to see my favorite mech getting some attention!

  • @Boseeinsteinshake
    @Boseeinsteinshake 2 года назад +2

    A curious variant of this (now) gorgeous machine, but as allways a great and informative watch.

  • @malusignatius
    @malusignatius 2 года назад +5

    I'm planning to have a Nightstar painted up as the command 'mech for my 2nd Crucis Lancers. I haven't really looked at the 9FC, but the 9J is beast at range. Given the higher speed of the 9FC I might have to give it some consideration, though as others have said, 2 Gauss Rifles and an ER PPC is hard to pass up.

  • @alexdeeprose2303
    @alexdeeprose2303 2 года назад +1

    Great vid as awlays. I'm really glad that you analysed this variant....i think its often overlooked due the the "Dual Gauss Effect".
    I find this one a lot more interesting for the cost....theres PLENTY of mechs from this era onwards with dual Gauss, this one has some unique niches.

  • @matthewbirdsall9518
    @matthewbirdsall9518 2 года назад +1

    It's amazing how that small speed bump really adds true utility to the weapon profile. That combo combined with armor coverage has me SOLD. Those 3/5 assaults are always anxiety on legs with so much worry about ever getting their guns into play.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад

      Very true - the ability to make a 2 hex turn and bust ahead 4 - or get up and over those taller hills… good stuff.

  • @KageRyuu6
    @KageRyuu6 2 года назад +2

    Fear the strong hand!

  • @MrRasputin1989
    @MrRasputin1989 2 года назад +1

    This is my favorite mech of all time. I personally like the gauss verson. I'm so happy I found you guys. Getting me back into the hobby cheers

  • @jasonrucker4722
    @jasonrucker4722 2 года назад +1

    Great work DFA - I have loved the Nightstar sculpt, my preference has always been the 9J, but good to know that there are other good options.

  • @antoniovistcoatis1541
    @antoniovistcoatis1541 5 месяцев назад +1

    One of my favorite inner sphere mechs for sure.

  • @AdamWhitehead111
    @AdamWhitehead111 2 года назад +1

    I didn't know anything about the nightstar until the kickstarter either. I did my research on it before the models arrived and... yeah, it went straight to my new favourite mech list. Need to get one to the table before I'm sure if it will stay on my permanent favourite mech list but your battlelitics are encouraging.

  • @jonathanflounders4014
    @jonathanflounders4014 2 года назад +3

    I love a "Classic" Battlytics video.

  • @stormcrow28
    @stormcrow28 2 года назад +2

    Echoing the call for analyizng out the Nightstar 9J, the original 3/5 variant that has 2 Gauss, 1 ER PPC, and two medium pulse lasers via Battlytics.

    • @contractorFSU
      @contractorFSU 2 года назад +1

      Don't forget the small laser! how else do you get 10+ efficiency score?

    • @brianhenry152
      @brianhenry152 2 года назад

      @@contractorFSU I thought it was for shooting birds?

    • @contractorFSU
      @contractorFSU 2 года назад +1

      @@brianhenry152 Birds aren't allowed to crap on the SLDF's finest. Amaris did and see where that got him?

  • @sebastiang.5032
    @sebastiang.5032 2 года назад +1

    Amazing timing, I've just got this mini delivered yesterday. 👏

  • @squirrellordsgaming2772
    @squirrellordsgaming2772 2 года назад +1

    I loved playing this Mech in MWO and MW5. I just ordered this model from Amazon for my table top mercenary company.

  • @captainsquarters1030
    @captainsquarters1030 2 года назад +1

    Perfect timing. Just found out about the Mech, and bought two for my merc company a couple days ago.

  • @troyradford75
    @troyradford75 2 года назад +2

    Love this mech. I'm running one in Mercenaries with twin AC10 BF's and it just crushes all before it.

  • @rmcdudmk212
    @rmcdudmk212 2 года назад +2

    Love me some Nightstar. That thing is a beast is any variant.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +1

      Yah its a hidden gem - I didnt even give it a second look until I saw the new mini!

    • @rmcdudmk212
      @rmcdudmk212 2 года назад +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming I've been using it ever since I found out it's an upgraded Marauder. I love the marauder line of mechs 😁

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +1

      Same! Marauder was my first love.

    • @rmcdudmk212
      @rmcdudmk212 2 года назад +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming used a custom marauder in my last game with jump jets, two large pulse laser and a targeting computer. That thing is scary good.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +1

      I hope they were clan Large Pulse haha

  • @lukedudley5030
    @lukedudley5030 2 года назад +1

    Great analysis :-) a great assault if you can afford one always deadly :-)

  • @NomicFin
    @NomicFin 2 года назад +6

    I've mostly dismissed this variant as "the one that isn't a dual gauss monster", but it seems it's actually a lot better than I was thinking.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +2

      Dual gauss is always king, but for a cheaper and decently effective Nightstar, this one fits the bill!

  • @brianhenry152
    @brianhenry152 2 года назад +3

    The Nightstar is a beast no matter the variant! I tend to prefer the 9J with the Gauss Rifles, but the extra speed on this one is really nice!

  • @TehSquare
    @TehSquare 2 года назад +4

    The NSR-9J gives you the ability to alpha strike like there’s no tomorrow but the gauss rifles are explosive hazards

    • @WrenTheWreckless
      @WrenTheWreckless 2 года назад +3

      True, but it moves the explosive risk from the LT out into the arms instead, so I feel it's potentially a net increase to its survival.

    • @andrewpantke1533
      @andrewpantke1533 2 года назад +2

      Thats my preferred version

    • @rbmore3
      @rbmore3 2 года назад +3

      would love to see what the 9J looks like in the battlytics that thing brings pain.

  • @DevianID
    @DevianID 2 года назад +1

    I preferred the LBx version over the Gauss, but I play lots of combined arms. The lbx for anti vee/flyer, the speed to not get boxed in, and the lower BV cost so you can actually afford it compared to the very pricy Gauss. In BV, the 56 gauss shots on the 9C (in games that last 10-12 turns) is a big efficiency loss. Id love to see the comparison, as I think the LBX version performs better when averaged by BV.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад

      The BV pricepoint is big… esp when you are adding in a % based tax for better pilots.

  • @MiriOhki
    @MiriOhki 2 года назад +1

    It may be a Star League/FedSuns design but I actually get Free World vibes from it (over-engined fast assaults like the Cerberus, Albatross or Grand Titan). I do love this version because I'm a huge fan of LB-X guns, and this thing can chew you up with slugs and the ppc, then sandblast you with the Clusters and medium lasers.

  • @matthewneuendorf5763
    @matthewneuendorf5763 2 года назад +2

    Prediction before watching the video: it will be an offensive powerhouse but a bit more fragile than you'd like with a net efficiency rating lower than might be expected. The double Gauss version probably pushes that to even more extremes.
    Edit: Having seen the video now, I'm pleasantly surprised. Considering the XL and the ammo the survivability is higher than I'd expected (even accounting for its maxed armor coverage), which bumps its efficiency higher.
    I'm a big fan of LB-ACs as enabling both a multi-role function for anything that carries 2+ tons of ammo and for giving the pilot options when engaging 'Mech targets with both hole-punch and crit-seeking functionality built in. The IS Heavy speed profile makes it an excellent choice for a heavy lance leader.
    I could see a lot of potential for an ilClan mixed-tech variant that uses Clan weight savings tech alongside Hardened Armor for some crazy staying power.

  • @madcat3525
    @madcat3525 2 года назад +1

    Great Battlytics! Awsome mech.Looking forward to seeing it in a future battlerep. Will there be a future video on the new Kickstarter ? Looking forward to more videos.

  • @mathewkelly9968
    @mathewkelly9968 2 года назад +1

    Finally can get Catalysts new models here in Australia , got this mech as a side effect of having to have a Cataphract for my Capellan heart . Took this in a game as an afterthought vs Clanners mainly to chew up BV and was amazed by its ability to trade with a Dire Wolf somehow and then finish it with a heap a criticals from shotgunning with the LB Xs

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +1

      Love it! Glad you guys are finally getting the good stuff!

    • @mathewkelly9968
      @mathewkelly9968 2 года назад +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming finally mate , its been killing me for about a year . Now contented

  • @dane7797
    @dane7797 2 года назад +3

    have you heard about a possible wave 3 kickstarter with vehicles?

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад

      Indeed. Very exciting

    • @Nomad-md2wi
      @Nomad-md2wi 2 года назад +1

      It's a whole new kickstarter campaign with new stretch goals. There are a couple of videos up and pictures of the new mechs and vehicles. Its titled mercenaries.

  • @johntrotter7372
    @johntrotter7372 2 года назад +2

    Come for the battlytics, stay for the scary movie references.

  • @shaneflickinger
    @shaneflickinger 2 года назад +1

    Back from my trip to Maryland, so it's time to start watching some Battletech videos again! Very impressive mech, but then again if it's based off the Marauder how bad can it really be? Thanks Mr. Aaron!

  • @TheGXDivider
    @TheGXDivider 2 года назад +1

    Hmmm not quite sure, but I think the ER PPC has no minimum range. Thanks for the vid. Favorite chassis with the Marauder.

  • @uialion1740
    @uialion1740 2 года назад

    Love the breakdown, but there's one tiny note of contention: The 9FC is a 5/8/0. The speed you showed in the report is for the 9J which has a 54 km/h speed compared to the 9FC's 64 km/h with the up-sized engine, going from a 285 rating to a 380.

  • @Ichaerus
    @Ichaerus 2 года назад

    Enjoyed the Battlytic, as always. Something I've thought of though. Maybe add a 10 second closeup turntable view of what the miniature looks like, even fresh out of the box and unpainted. Perhaps it will draw eyes to not only your Battlytic, but also drum up interest for anyone who might want to pick up the 'Mech for their lance, or Level II, or even as isorla for a Clan unit? Or have Thom, with his finely maintained facial hair showcase it like those jewelry shopping channels, before rolling into the analysis?
    Gauss Rifles are nice, same with energy weapons, but the real romance is the boom of an autocannon. And the shotgun LB-X line is true love.
    Do you believe it would have been better to pull the ammo out of the LT, and put it in the legs, or spread a ton to each arm? I am looking at the 'Mech, and four tons of party poppers next to an XL engine seems like a prank to inflict on the pilot of such a 'Mech. Maybe downgrade the ER-PPC to an ER Medium, and just stuff the side torsos with heat sinks to "cheeseball" the sides and cover the engine? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, guys.

  • @TinBane
    @TinBane 2 года назад +1

    Love the nightstar!

  • @impressiveprogressive7343
    @impressiveprogressive7343 2 года назад +2

    Good mech weapons hard points are odd, definitely can tell it an early design. I'd like to think Gen Kerenski took a few on the exodus that later inspired some clan omni mechs.

  • @combativeThinker
    @combativeThinker 2 года назад +1

    Check out teraflame’s MW5 Nightstar in his “Dive Into the Firework” video. That thing is a monster.

  • @matthewfullmer3035
    @matthewfullmer3035 2 года назад

    Not the variant I expected to see tested. But it did far better than I expected. I always was seduced by throwing 40 points of damage out past 20 hexes and never gave the FC a serious look. I wonder if the standard medium lasers are a hidden leg up for the FC over the J? Extra total damage at a longer range with heat not really mattering? The FC would probably be a great candidate for a tweak upgrade to ER mediums, too.
    Regardless, they are both tough monsters, indeed!

  • @kennetth1389
    @kennetth1389 2 года назад +1

    Back in the day, before computer programs crunched the numbers.
    The odd tonnage mechs (25-95), always felt to have the edge when home made variants went at it.
    The design math simply worked better.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад

      Interesting - I never noticed a pattern but will keep an eye out for it now!

  • @WolfHreda
    @WolfHreda 9 месяцев назад

    16:24 There's no minimum range on ER PPCs of any sort. Only one the regular, Light, and Heavy PPCs.

  • @fistan5447
    @fistan5447 10 месяцев назад +1

    4:15 LBX-10 and Gauss Rifle are literally 2 weapons IS has that can compete with clans relatively evenly. SB Gauss is even better. Such a shame they are both ballistic so we cant combo them both and stay efficient. Best ive seen was Carronade which had 1 Gauss and 1 SB Gauss with few ERMeds for free damage. Great Damage and crit potential but had IS XL :/

  • @Helltanz98
    @Helltanz98 2 года назад +2

    Since when do ER PPCs have min range? Thats not to my knowledge of Inner Sphere ER PPCs because ER-PPC are a star league tech, and they're min range 0 according to my copy of tech manual which is the book I have handy
    Are you thinking Heavy PPC? They're min range the same min range as Lights and regular PPC

  • @robkitchen5344
    @robkitchen5344 2 года назад +2

    I generally have no more then maximum 6 points of armor on all 3 rear torso slots as the only expected enemy that would fire on mech would be a light or medium scout mech at a distance of around 5-7(150-210 m) hexes away that's wielding no more then a couple medium lasers at best but usually just 1 and a projected green to regular experienced pilot with average or worst gunnery skill and. I'll take the chance they aren't rolling a 9 or better just to deal that 5 damage points or into the torsos at all..... But if said pilot is of veteran or elite status and penetration into the soft rear arc occurs.....its going be 1 less pilot of veteran/elite status to worry about when a torso twist from 1 or more mechs upon following turn has several large weapons unloading on them which would remove any further issues of that nature for the moment....

  • @natewilliams6617
    @natewilliams6617 2 года назад +1

    I had thought that the standard version had dual gauss rifles and 2 large lasers

  • @jessepunch8945
    @jessepunch8945 2 года назад +1

    The Nightstar is my mercenary company’s command mech

  • @Demolitiondude
    @Demolitiondude 2 года назад +2

    Gave one of my friends a nightstar in my mechwarrior destiny game.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад +1

      Good choice!

    • @Demolitiondude
      @Demolitiondude 2 года назад +1

      The campaign is set during the clan invasion. And they learned how to do a trial last Saturday.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад

      How did it go!?

    • @Demolitiondude
      @Demolitiondude 2 года назад +1

      Currently like how a car collector debating on taking hus prize ride out.

    • @Demolitiondude
      @Demolitiondude 2 года назад +1

      Ended up a npc battle. 5v5 elemental squad skirmish. The protags one by a very bad role for the enemy squad.

  • @pokepete3
    @pokepete3 2 года назад +1

    Nightstar?! Hmm…need!

  • @Colonel_Overkill
    @Colonel_Overkill 2 года назад +1

    I think tex put it best, "the vengeful ghost of star league"

  • @timothy4131
    @timothy4131 4 месяца назад

    My favorite mech of all time is the Warhawk I was reading a story on it and the character was Jeremiah Rose and when he was facing a Big Mac he shot four ppc's aimed at the cockpit Chuck the first guy out in the alpha strike from men I was sold out on this neck and I would tell somebody when you absolutely positively got to take out your adversary with one alpha strike the war hawk is your neck and what I would do with that Mac is I would remove the lrms and replace them with heat sinks is it has an excellent targeting computer at 4 ppc's

  • @verysilentmouse
    @verysilentmouse 2 года назад +1

    IS ER PPCs have no minimum

  • @warrmalaski8570
    @warrmalaski8570 2 года назад +1

    I wached the video playing with my 30+ year old nightstar model I painted as a teenager.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 года назад

      It is amazing how some of these things have been around for such a long time!

  • @nationalsocialism3504
    @nationalsocialism3504 Год назад

    NSR-9J is the best Inner Sphere Assault ever designed... it's ridiculous

  • @adamcondon5120
    @adamcondon5120 2 года назад +1

    Why take lbx 10's when you can have gauss rifles.

  • @spartana1116
    @spartana1116 Год назад

    The nightstar the SLDF's vengeful headhunter

  • @aristideswade2046
    @aristideswade2046 2 года назад +1

    Great job again. Tabletop it is a bad ass Mech. You try to sell it with cool lore but not buying. As both a GM and just player I see I and think Min/Max munch.

  • @ian5395
    @ian5395 2 года назад +1

    Nightstar
    Ill take a dozen

  • @MrDmitriRavenoff
    @MrDmitriRavenoff Год назад

    Do the Cattlemaster!

  • @lesjames2478
    @lesjames2478 2 года назад +2

    So now I'm just picturing ruclips.net/video/5t_tgiWatvs/видео.html this scary movie scene but with the nightstar in place of the butler. Lmao

  • @landenmorton4543
    @landenmorton4543 Год назад +1

    Awesome mech but I haaaaaate the goofy little hands it has

  • @Dmorris556
    @Dmorris556 2 года назад +1

    9FC is meh. Give me a 9J. Brubaker if I have the BV.

    • @WrenTheWreckless
      @WrenTheWreckless 2 года назад +1

      The Brubaker is just the IIC with extra letters. 😁

    • @Dmorris556
      @Dmorris556 2 года назад +1

      Nightstar May be my favorite assault. Hard for me to 100 say between NS and Highlander.

  • @joshuamidgette4846
    @joshuamidgette4846 2 года назад

    The original NSR-9J is a better mech. Dual gauss rifles in the arms and no explosive ammo.