All AIO Mounting Positions Explained
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Let's talk - for the last time - about AIO positioning with respect to multiple pump locations. If you're interested in preserving the life of your pump, be sure to check this one out!
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Maybe some day we can move on from this damn topic 😁
What would you recommend to cool an i9 10850k? Around $200
just maybe, also I know it is similar subject but what about GPUs with AIOs ? I know the principles are the same
but sometimes due considerations, mounting the correct way is not possible.
@@60milligrams inwould go evga 240 or 280 or even the artics 240 both are very basic AIOS for about 90 to 110 usd.
I fully agree. No matter how many time this gets explained, people just want to argue about it.
And seriously, who is going to keep their AIO long enough to burn up the pump? It isn't like it has a sliding shoe impeller that will burn up. It's a fixed impeller and volute. Heck, use a marine pump that isn't even connected to the motor with a shaft. That one you can just replace the impeller once it wears down.
Ok getting off my soap box
what i really hate is people who keep saying it like they've known it all along, when we know for a fact exactly where they got it.
I doubt GN ever imagined their experiment would be used this way. They even explained this very well on their original video, which, if you watch and understand in its entirety, doesn't make the assertions that most "barb-watchers" claim. Some of them are even quoting it wrong.
Very creative way of explanation with the papers there, very simplified and in detail as well. Keep up the great work Greg! Learning a lot and very entertaining as well.
Glad it was helpful!
I was having a huge cpu over heating issue a few weeks back I had taken everything apart put everything back together perfectly but just kept over heating and I finally figured it was my AIO (m22 kraken) so I got a new cooler and that night I watched one of your fix or flop videos tackling the exact same issue I was having you swapped out everything (genuinely scared that you’d replace the cpu or motherboard and it’d work) but nothing worked till you swapped out the cooler and after you looked into the cooler there was gunk in it, the next morning I checked my cooler and sure enough the same issue. Your content is actually amazing and so educational you help out a lot man genuinely.
Im a custom loop person. The main reason why I never recommended AIO liquid coolers was due to Asetek and their patent shenanigans. But its real cool to see others find another way. That Bequiet AIO is really interesting. Thanks as always greg. Love the the construction paper cutout presentation.
InWin BR24 and BR36 have the pump on the tubes as well, plus the VRM fan, that I believe Hardware Busters noted that also cooled a little bit the back of a Gpu. Sadly their review units had problems with the "over-block" fan. I wish more manufacturers build with fans over the pump like InWin's BR36 or Arctic's Liquid Freezer II
Yeah Asetek are always crying 'You can't do that or We'll Sue' yet they have no problem with copying others designs like they did with the design they made for the Dell/Alienware RTX2080 with the Blower Fan Cooled Rad that looked like a SLI Set up (which Greg had a look at here), Blatant Rip Off of previous design but 🤷♂️
Yup, I recommend Be Quiet or Arctic AIOs a lot.
What do you mean by Asetek "patent shenanigans" exactly? I am not very well veresed on that issue.
@@Grid21 I think it has something to do with Asetek having the sole right to produce these designs for pumps. So other companies could not copy them, well not directly anyway, which forced companies to include Asetek in the production process of their branded AIO product.
I'm kinda interested in the airflow implications within the case for different AIO positionings, as I was actually pretty good on the pump positioning side of things (though it's still good to remind people of this, and this was a very good explanation of it).
I run the Be Quiet loop, and this is one of the few videos that touch on placement. Thank you.
i just recently built my pc and put the pump on top. had no clue what was best just knew I wanted it slightly out of the way. and I'm glad to find out I did it right haha!!! now to change the CPU backplate, connect my LCD upgrade kit and order a bigger PSU!!
thank you so much for all your videos, they're extremely helpful!!!!!
Great video clearing up any confusion. Had to google for like 20 minutes just to find a solid video.
The visual explanation of this was incredibly helpful, thank you!
I've only built a few air cooled PC's and was confused about this. I had no clue the pump was installed anywhere besides the block on certain coolers. Awesome video!
Best AIO Mounting guide till date.
best explanation yet, too many really long videos on RUclips going over this and complicating it. thanks.
I literally just bought my first AIO yesterday and its the exact same MSI, I had many questions but you have answered them all
Perfect! Thanks for watching!
MSI had to recall some their AIO's so just make sure to check if your might fall under it
Having just bought an M22, this was the info I was looking for. Thanks, Greg.
Thank you for this video, I have a Thermalright 360 AIO with the pump built in the hoses and I needed to know if I could mount it at the front of my 4000D case with the tubes up without detrimental effects. This video helped me!!
A great clear video Greg.
One thing that I do have to mention, Case airflow. You say having the AIO in the front usually will have the system running cooler than having the AIO exhausting out the top. I've tried both ways, and found with my case, that has 3 120mm fans at the front with a mesh front giving good airflow drawing air in, the system runs cooler with the AIO exhausting out the top by about 8-10 deg C. I believe that's due to the good flow off cooler air coming in through the front off the case. My GPU also ran hotter with the AIO in the front off the case. Something to consider.
My AIO btw is a Cooler Master Masterliquid ML240L.
Looking forward to the next video Greg.
Do you put fans inside or outside the case on the radiator ? =) air goin inside if i got it and extract from the top ?!
@@MrLazer44. On the inside blowing through the radiator then out the top.
@@SirDaffyD My bad i misread your comment (my english is not that great), i have a coreliquid 360 not mounted yet, and the pump is in the radiator, i want to put him in front with tubes at the bottom, should i put my fans outside the case so the air can go threw the radiator then in the system?
@@MrLazer44. Blowing through the radiator they say is better, but it'll work the other way.
I'm gathering the pump is in the middle of the radiator, so putting the hose at the bottom should be OK, but quote me on that, it's not o good idea doing it that way when the pump is in the heat block on the cpu, because air will get in the pump and cause it to fail.
There's heaps of RUclips videos in the best way to situate your aio radiator. Check them out.
@@SirDaffyD i know about front mounting for a "regular" aio, but since the pump is in the first 1/3 of the radiator (in the middle of the fan), no air will go in the cpu block because the higherr part in the aio will be the radiator so it should be okay i think.
5:09 is the part EVERYONE needs to hear! lol
Loved the explanations. Makes sense on location of pump. Similar to burmping a car radiator. Park car so radiator is highest point to exclude air in system.
This video is very helpful. I have Msi 240r r5 3600. Before this video i have my aio top mounted and idled about 53-55C, now i tried front mounted and tubes up my idles are now 46-48C. Thank you greg
Oh, finally I can convice myself that I'm doing a correct orientation for my pump. Also, I love how this video prove Greg is a real human, he's using a $40 soundbar like me from Amazon lol. Most youtubers I know have like a whole stack of $300 JBL speakers lol.
Boiled down:
Step 1: Find out where the pump is in your AIO.
Step 2: Mount the AIO in such a way that the pump is not in the highest point of the loop, and preferably neither is the CPU block.
Step 3: Enjoy your cool CPU.
The radiator needs to be the highest point, because Lou dont want air bubbles floating around 😬
I know it's a topic that's been beaten like a dead horse, but I'm loving the educational content again!
I've been thinking of upgrading to an AIO cooler from my stock AMD Wraith Prism RGB air cooler. What better news than to hear one of your favorite PC youtubers has uploaded a video talking about a complicated issue with them. :D
I had my 240 Ryujin radiator mounted at the bottom for 4 years, not a single problem. I have a Cooler Maser SL600M so this is the best solution for ideal airflow.
glad science is back to this channel, great content
Great video Greg it’s very important to know all of this!
FINALLY, i wanted yo buy the Be quiet radiator but the channels that explained this things didn't mention different types or radiators.
Very detailed video. Thank you for doing it in this format
I dig all your videos bud, my input would be that I would always do horizontal radiator mount where possible for obvious reasons, keeping the pump and barb bubble free is essential in my opinion. Wish we had a Greg Salazar here in South Africa.
Got excited thought you would include GPU aio mounting but sadly nobody does a video on this scenario. Thanks for making this will definitely share this when friends have questions.
Much appreciated!
easiest and simple video to follow and explained pros cons well
Hey Greg. I think another thing that people overlook when complaining about barbs up is this. The Radiator (part where the fins are) has 2 tanks. One at each end. The tank in which the barbs connect, is split in half. It's essentially 2 tanks. Fluid enters one tank, is passed through the fins to the tank at the other end, and then is passed back through the fins to the barb side. People complain that if the barbs are up, there's a chance that air can collect at the top and be pulled through the tubes to the pump. If you realize that the barb side tank is split. If the pump happened to suck in any air, the air that has left the pump (in the cpu block) would accumulate in the tank where the input barb is located. In order for that air to reach the output barb tank (Since they are split) it would have to travel all the way down through the fins and back up again to the other side. Those asetek pumps are pretty decent, but it would have a hard time fighting gravity to push air all the way down through the radiator in order for it to reach the other side of the barb tank.
I have mine mounted barb side up on the front, all working fine but would the air in the input side of the radiator hinder the water getting into the radiator?
Im going to try to flip my deep cool 360 aio front mount barbs down…i hate the gurgling noise and a whine noise from the pump now after week 2 of installation.
Another thing to mention for a lot of newer AIOs(you can see it on the MSI cooler, for example), is that if you suspect that they aren't filled enough, you can top them off yourself. Just remove the bolt and fill 'er up.
This was a very helpful video. Thanks Gred!!
I've never been more ready to get pumped up.
cant thank u enough for adding this pure loop thing in it^^ tech god bless u son.
Hello Greg... I have the O11 vision and since his top have tempered glass, i have to mount the AIO vertically... Can you suggest me a good 360mm AIO? Thanks a lot 😉
Well done, very comprehensive. My biggest complaint is that you could've made it visually obvious which side of the paper is which side of the case.
Hey Greg, thanks for the simple but very good examples with the paper. That visualization is super helpful. I have a good understanding of the pump orientation but don’t have any actual experience with them (I’m an air cooler boi) but this is such a valuable resource to show my friends.
Best and easiest explaination till date 💛❤️
This was extremely helpful, thank you.
is the tubes from aio with 360mm radiator are long enough for all this mountings especially for front panel with tubes on the bottom?
Great work Greg! Thanks for sharing the video with us!💖👍😎JP
Thank you! These are always intimidating to me. A little less now 😁 Appreciate you always breaking it down.
Glad it could help, Frank! Thanks for watching.
greg what are your thoughts on the lian li galahad 360 aio i was thinking of buying it
Great Information Greg Well Done keep it up
Gotta save this one for future reference. Thx.
Just have a question so I do have this Deepcool Gammaxx L360 A-RGB AIO what's more better to mount it? Top mount with Barbs in the front of the case or back of the case OR should I front mount it barbs up or down? Badly need help T-T
What if you put it on the bottom? You you turn the case upside down?
Or you lay it on the side?
Nicely explained. I've always look at it the pump can not be higher than the radiator or you will circulating air, just like a vehicle.
Just got in from trying to repair my vehicle, hope I'm not to late.
Great video Greg. I really enjoyed the visual aids, very simple yet very effective 👍
you and jay are really diffrent in explaining the aio positioning hahahahahhahaa
i still dont know whos im going to believe on positioning the aio since the msi itself says the best position of the radiator is on top of it and they changed the pumped position to increased its lifespan
I front mounted barbs up my AIO Rad. Tried to tilt the machine upwards a bit. May actually just let it stand upside down if this is something to worry about.
As always your videos are really helpful. Can you please make video explaining the proper method to remove/uninstall AIO Pumps/Coolers from CPU for the different type of sockets (AMD/Intel) ?
I had to recently help a friend to upgrade his failing AIO and even as I have experience building PCs we spent some time removing AIO cooler as the thermal paste was hardened and bracket didn't have too much space to do small twist movements to get it loose.
In the end, we had to use a hair dryer to heat the thermal paste and that helped to get the job done.
i watch your videos alot and im glad i found your channel, love the vids man keep doing wut u do!!!!!
Much appreciated! :-)
I've got the MSI but 360mm v2 and they told me to top mount it, however idle temps are 45c on my CPU. Should I assume I killed it, replace and front mount it?
How do I proceed with an one-fan radiator like Corsaird H60, can I mount it on the top of the case? If yes where should be pump cable be, left or right? Thank you!
*Incredible explanation!*
Just got the p240 for my 5800x thank you for helping me understand how to position it i was originally going to top mount, btw do you think the p240 is good for a 5800x?
I have the InWin BR24, it has the same pump position as the Be Quiet AIO but it also has a fan on the block to help cool the area around the CPU 😊 Thank you for helping me choose where to place the radiator when I switch over to the BR24 😁
Jajajaja! Dude this is a lot of confidence bc i was looking for this information and i found a lot of coments and very confuse information about how to mount correctly the AIO. Now with this video i feel more safety how i will mounted my AIO. Now im feel kind of concers if i mounted the AIO on the top intake the air inside of the case bc the temp in my house is 30°c/21°c and plus the temp of inside of the case its kind of high soo i dont find a very good option put the fan in that position, soo i was thinking in mount the AIO in top but exhausted but i think im gonna kill the asthetic aspect, soo i guess i gonna make my test and will see what its the best option. Thanks again for the video Salazar!
A question has come to mind: If you have a case that mounts the motherboard horizontally, like many ITX cube cases that can accomodate a 120mm AIO, mounted usually on the front as an intake (Cooler Master Elite 110-130 series, Silverstone Sugo series), how does rotating the radiator/pump affect the air? My current opinion is that, in such a limited use scenario, it won't matter too much, becasue you can only really mount the AIO in one spot and realistically the barbs are going to be either on the left or right of the radiator. This means that the highest point in the system is going to be the edge of the radiator, right? If so, there will be the radiator itself, possibly some space in the topmost channel, and space in both end tanks for air to accumulate...
Very useful and practical!
So top mount aio....top intake, front intake, bottom intake, rear exhaust? What kind of case fits that bill I wonder. I want to do an aio for the new 7700X and I'm going to get the cooler and case so options are wide open.
For the MSI AIO, wouldn't a top mount still be ok, because the air would distribute along the whole area of the rad?
I recently installed a Corsair H100i. I have it top mounted and the fans on exhaust, should i change the orientation or is this fine? Im pretty sure the pump is not in the RAD. I replaced a dead aio with this corsair one and dont want to replace this corsair one anytime soon.
Thank you so much. As a first time PC builder i was worried about air bubbles ruining my aio.
I have the Coreliquid 360R it is a good months old (my serial number was not included in the recal) I had it top mounted for 1 month but it started to gargle (?) so a friend of my recommended front/side mount (Lian-Li O11) it was good for a week but now it is gargling(??) again. so is it broken because I top mounted it for 1 month or is it just something I have to deal with .?
I have my case tilted to the right @ 45 degree Ish and it stopped gargling. . Temps in Idle have not been bad at all ( 40 C)
On a sidenote:
I had the Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 at first .. but it does not fit in the case ....
Let's say for example... I have a Cooler Master ML240 Snow Edition AIO... I've had it top mounted for about a year with the tubes on front side of the case (right side going down from the top) to the pump mounted on my CPU (Ryzen 5 5600X)i have noticed higher that usual CPU temps at full load... Up to about 78°C... Should I front mount the AIO tubes up top and running the fans as intake or exhaust set up???
Ok so I have a masi aio just bought it and I looks like the one you showed but the wire is coming from the cpu block so does that mean the pump is in the block?
This came in clutch!! My new 360 rad comes in today and I was concerned on location since the 8 pin power connectors would be in the way if I mounted to the top
Thanks for the video, easy to understand explqnations
I'm not going to disagree with your radiator/barb position, but there is a MAJOR caveat that you should mention. Indeed I trust that Corsair completely filled my AIO when I bought it, but I purchased my AIO in 2015, and it is now 8 years old, and has almost certainly lost some liquid. My Corsair AIO is still running strong despite it's age. My point is, if you want longevity, you want those barbs down or a top mount. Agreed however that tubing may not allow. I feel like a lot of reviewers fail to mention longevity because they have the luxury of building a new machine yearly or better.
I thought I know enough about AIO mounting positions. Turns out I don't. Great Vid!
Nice video as I am getting an AIO to replace my stock amd cooler 👍😁
Same
I've got my Cooler Master 240mm AIO mounted to the inside front panel with the barbs up and the 2 fans pushing air through from the outside front panel, but still covered up by the actual front panel cover. Also have a 120mm side panel mounted air intake fan blowing directly onto the dual fan GPU and the PSU. The GPU fans pull air through and exhaust out the rear. The PSU is mounted with the fan down, so it's not sucking warm case air into it before it exhausts out the back. I've also got a 120mm top exhaust fan, a 120mm rear exhaust fan, as well as the GPU exhaust fan, which means that I technically have 3 intake and 3 exhaust fans (PSU fan not counting). CPU is a Ryzen 7 5800X and temperatures hover around 32*C with the lowest so far at 27*C. Haven't seen the CPU temps go above 42*C yet.
in general positioning rad so the air is away from barbs? example front mount rad barbs towards bottom of case? This is how i plan on installing my aoi given the hoses are long enough. planning on open loop watercoolig after this.
Thoughts on which side of the radiator fans should be on a front facing AIO?
The front mount with barbs up will still get noisy quickly (relatively speaking, probably a couple years, but faster than other mounting positions), because the first air bubbles that form eventually will be trapped at the inlet of the radiator. This is fine for pump lifetime, because no air is being sucked into the pump, but water from the inlet will be dripping into the water inside the radiator almost like filling up a reservoir in an open loop system. Which is why most reservoirs, that have the inlet at the top, have a tube going through the reservoir so the inlet water doesn't drip and cause noise.
i just recently built my fist pc and bought a msi coreliquid 240r without knowing the pump is in the radiator. as i only have mounting option it s making some weird sounds sometimes.
One question: if my pump dies, how likely is it that anything spills? Cause i wouldnt be that sad if my aio dies, as im gonna buy a new one with a pump in the block if it does, but i dont want my other components die with it.
Hi Greg, just want to ask how about for cases like nr200p, if I have an aio like Nzxt X53 and I installed it on the side of the case, is this better than putting it in the bottom? Or is it same same?
So thorough but clear, thanks for this video! I've always used air but this is all super helpful to know. Can't wait to see Linus' new labs buy a bunch of AIOs and measure the amount of liquid in each 😉
Glad it was helpful!
Theres approximately 100 ml in a 120 mm AIO.
I think Gamer’s Nexus has covered this.
Fk lienus
I am getting an intel 5 12, what motherboard do you recommend ? Please help
is it better to have a 240 cpu aio top mounted to a max 280mm spot or front mount to a max 360mm front and lose one front fan.
Always will stir up the trolls when talking AIO placement. Your original video was great, but this should help those who doubt. Good job
I am just wondering what if it is a dual aio build, what would be to correct orientation for both ?
I'm using Be Quiet! Pure Loop 240MM on the front of my H510. So far it's working flawlessly but it just the 2nd year of it. Hope it can last longer. Idle temp that I usually get are around 35-45°c on my 11th Gen i5. Great video!
What temperatures do you get under load?
Im using the 360 aio front mounted barbs up with the pump slightly below, 65-68c under load.
so the tubes coming out of the block does it matter if its up down left right ect?
Hi, how about if we mounted the AIO vertically? Like the Master cooler NR200P where we can vertically orient our aio? Is it Okay?
Great video Greg, thanks!
Thank you, Greg! This is a good, clear summary of the Gamers Nexus content as well as JaysTwoCents where, he too, sought to clarify the issue due to people not really paying attention to the Gamers Nexus content. What I've found is that many, if not most of the AIO manufacturers seem to assume or desire you to mount the AIO in the top of the case if you go by their documentation and the pictures it contains. I have also found, as you mention, most AIOs have 400mm hoses. Depending on the case and size of the GPU, it may be impossible to position the radiator with the barbs down. I prefer to position the radiator in the front with barbs up. I have positioned it in the top on occasion and have set the fans to both intake or exhaust at different times. I saw a video from Paul's Hardware where he tested this and created high positive pressure by using all intake fans and only on rear exhaust and it actually reduced the temps. Thanks again!
That's the video i've been waiting.
Good explanation, now we can talk about if the fans should be between the radiator and the case, and how filters affect aio's
papercraft time with greg love it
I"m a noctua air cooler fanboi. But i appreciate this video :)
I have a CoolerMaste ML360 sub zero, it have the pump between the radiator and the header, I placed the pump than the header (like in the third fan mount of the front panel), and the radiator in the top, that's right? (Btw I hear sometimes like bubbles in the pump but the AiO doesn't have even a year with me)
i had the pump on cpu block and put the radiator on top of the case, but my aio started to bubble/rattling sound when i open games, is it possible because of the cpu block placement because i put the cpu block facing down so the tube came from under the cpu block, i really appreciate any helps😢
I've got EK aio and my case is a nr200p with only one rad mounting option which is the bottom. what do I do then?
Are AIO coolers fine to be in a PC laying flat horizontally?