A Mid Drive eBike you Actually Want!
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- First look at the new Ristretto mid drive ebike featuring a cyc pro gen 3 motor at 4,500 watts.
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I have the first model from Ristretto. It's the 303 f/s founder's edition which is no longer available since they moved on with the 512. It uses the same motor x1 pro but it's the gen2 slightly upgraded with gen3 parts. It also has an 8 speed cassette in the rear and it's a great motor with zero issues and the performance is great. I do keep up with maintenance on the chain and motor reasons why I don't have issues but it does need that extra attention in maintenance compared to a hub motor. I like the controller on the bike which is the bac855 and can swap battery voltage on the go with an easy adjustment on the app. They both share the same thin seat design but I'll be changing that soon. The company is great on customer service and my 303 f/s frame was hand welded in Detroit when they first came out.
you should check with CYC if you're able to get the BAC2000 motor controller on your Gen2 motor. I know they wanted to sell off their stock of them when they were ramping up production on the new Gen3 which unfortunately still has no high powered motor controller. They told me the new X12 controller for Gen3 is coming out in February, and here we are stuck with the X6 seven months later.
@@zamb0nio the ristretto 512 uses the x12 controller
@@vardanfitness7866 that's strange because when I go on the CYC website to order the gen 3 motor my only option to buy is the X6
U can swap battery voltage just by using the app?
I just purchased one on the 4th (with a 20% code but its gone now) and went to test-ride it at their HQ in Austin, TX two days after. I was skeptical about 52v battery too but I assure you and everyone reading this this bike is highly capable. Super torque-y and can take steep hills with ease. There's a 15% code "SQUADRA" which has been out for 2 weeks but I don't know how much longer its going to last since they are supposed to ship these out this year in Q4. Comes out to be $3230 shipped. If you're in Austin or nearby I highly recommend you go there to test ride it for yourself. I drove 3 hrs and it was worth it.
Are there any other bikes that you owned or ridden that you could compare it to as far as speed and acceleration?
There's plenty of 48v 750w bikes under $900 still hitting 18 mph on steep hills
@@vardanfitness7866 didn't I answer you on another video lol I had a surron that's closest to compare it to. Which I feel in terms of power are very similar so I'm happy with that.
@@charles5259 Really? Which ones? The only bike I know around that price is Lectric. The hill we test ride on was very steep and I doubt my dad's XP 3.0 which I just bought him would make it up there. It was for sure over 20% grade.
@@vincetheveganprince 👍 wow if it impressed a surron owner I’d say that says a lot 🔥
Ristretto did a very good job distributing the weight, failed on the seat. Its a bike you would want to customize.
That’s a really cool bike. I think without gears in this setup, the mid drive is a better option. It’s central in the frame and no rotational mass added. And without be constrained to a hub shape and size, gearing reduction and cooling, not to mention actual motor size, can be much better optimized
A mid-drive ebike I actually *don't* want (just offering a different perspective...)
I like both hub and mid-drive bikes (own both), but am really tired of the internet echo-chamber beating up on mid-drives for being "less reliable" or "high maintenance" or "more complicated" etc. Yes, there's a *small* kernel of truth there, but most mid-drive problems come down to operator error. The mid-drive is usually not at fault - blame the ignorant rider! (Uses inappropriate gear, shifts improperly, does a DIY conversion with major inherent flaws, etc.) I love the versatility/capability of my mid-drive. Almost 10K miles with zero problems - runs like a top!
Regarding the "bike" in this video? I don't see a bike, I see a low-end e-motorcycle. Yes, I know it has pedals - but that doesn't make it a *functional* bicycle. One gear? Weighs maybe 100 pounds, give or take? No way to adjust saddle height? What kind of bicycle is that? 🤔 Imagine pedaling that tank up a 12% grade! 😂
A challenge to any ebike rider…try this: take your ebike to a flat road (with no headwind/tailwind to help or hinder). Now pedal it - with the motor shut off! Can you reach 15 mph and sustain it for 15 minutes? Yes? Congrats - you've passed the it-really-is-a-bike test. No? Your ebike flunked, and is actually a low-end motorcycle/high-end scooter that's pretending to be a bicycle. Just a little thought-experiment to show how many ebikes just aren't functional as bikes..
I think we all know that, but at the end of the day we'll keep calling them bicycles because we want to ensure we can take them places you can't take a so called motorcycle.
I have the same cyc mid drive motor its been nothing but pain. Its not reliable and yes its the gen 3. Also btw you have to use the motor in short runs and let it cool down. You can’t cruise and hold the throttle down for along time. It will overheat. Theres a reason they don’t advertise the nominal power, only the peak power of 4,500w.
Does the display show the temperature of the motor? How hot can it go until you have to cool down? Is their a safety throttling feature? I have a modified bbshd and im running it at 3500 watts peak. I got it as hot as 138F and its still running.
Still costs less than a 73 RX 👀
amen, and twice the bike. If super 73 came out with a similar spec bike, they'd ask $6k easy. Overpriced bikes for yesteryears material, they just riding out the brand name.
The Ristretto bike is just absolutely beautiful. I do wish it had slightly better specs but still amazing looking bike.
Mid drives provide the ability to hit lower gears for hills, allowing the motor to spin faster thus reducing the risk of burning up controllers. I like to ride Upper park.. the roads/trails are rocky with deep gravel in some places.. speeds are slow going up, climbing gears are a must and even though i'm pushing around 1470W at 25 amps i have still have found my motor at 140F before ! a hub motor going that speed would not be happy unless it had lower gears and rocking over 2500W. 4500w would be a game changer even with my 200lb ass on it lol. Though i agree with you, the suspension looks like it sucks lol, I'd love to have it but funds are quite limited 😮💨
This bike doesn’t have gears unfortunately..
I can get up any hill using around 1300watts on an high tooth gear at 15 to 20mph..a hub motor will stall, and will demand a crapload of wattage
You would need custom gears anyway to handle that torque..bike cassettes are gonna get ripped apart. For derailer it’s no big issue as that just hangs and provides chain tension..maybe some company makes strong cassettes
True, fortunately i built mine out of a trek mtb, it has great climbing gears in back but a 48t front chainring at the moment.. best of all even with my massive 52v jumbo shark batt, the BBS02 and heavy Halo 36h wheelset it still only weighs 55lb :) @@slimdunkin117
Sweet, that was my Reddit post where you discovered this bike from!
My opinion, They still haven't really hit a home run all around awesome ebike that really looks great and excells in all areas.
Hitting a home run is subjective, to me they have. Great price point, quality, looks, performance, range, just plane hard to beat. Show me another bike at $3230 out the door or lower, that's a home run in your eyes.
@@ashegamNireeka Mega Electric Bike. Also a full carbon frame and will handle off road much better and much more comfortable, But depends what u are looking for.
I completely agree in that e-bikes from now on in these size/weight configurations should have no less than 60V, but really I’d want 72V minimum with at least a 50amp battery. If you want great capacity with throttle alone you’d have to bump up the amps to 100-120, but weight of course will come along. When will e-bikes like these be built much lighter along with their batteries/motors? I know there has to be either something already out there, or someone with know how ought to be figuring it out. Imagine having this ebike, or any other that can go realistically travel 500 miles with high speeds super high climbing capacity slowing down & starting again as that is reality in the city’s especially weighing either the same, or twenty lbs. lighter?! Shoot.. that would be the revolution absolutely taking over e-transportation all around. 👍
Lighter, more-compact solid state batteries have been in development for years. 'Still waiting.
I bought A CYC motor back in January, 6 months before I got it. Kept saying torque sensor error, Never got it to work $1020 customer service sucks!! Maybe you'll get lucky and yours will, if not ,Hope you got a $1000 to lose💰 And a lot of time to waste with their customer service👎
Cyc pro gen 3 is awful. When it works with a 72v battery the results are absolutely crazy fast, i got to 49mph on mine, but the gearbox failed and all sorts of other issues. Took ages until they would actually send the parts which has solved it for now. But not great when its done under 2k miles. Its not like im pushing more power than its rated.
They need to make the seat cushion thinner. That 1/4 inch of foam
Is way overboard.
thinner? lol people who've ridden the bike complained about the lack of comfort so they're actually in the process of increasing the cushioning of it by another inch. You must be packing down there bud if you think this seat is to tick, may be it ain't the seat ;)
@@ashegam, it was a joke. 😁 Of course it’s too thin. My skinny rump wouldn’t last a mile on that thing.
@@brentcollins9727 lol k
It’s an awesome bike.
I'm good with my talaria xxx better priced in the beginning and still better at 3.4k now lol but can buy cheaper in China from the OEM. Just takes 2m to ship
it's no different then comparing a trail bike to a crouch rocket, two completely different form factors used mostly in different terrains. apples and oranges. No doubt though that the talaria xxx is an awesome not street legal ebike at an awesome price point.
Looked into this e bike last month and wish it was 60v as well instead of 52 but hey slightly better than 48. For the price not worth it to me. I know these just came out i am curious to see what they will come out with a newer version of this possible next year. I too am interested to see the rest of the specs for the Graffiti X.
if you don't find the 512 worth it at the current $3230 out the door price, then don't waste your time wondering about the Graffiti X, it won't be anywhere near $3k but more like $4k after any tax or S&H.
@@ashegam I’m not worried about the price increase of the X. I own a Onyx CTY2 and it’s so worth it. I know someone who wants to jump from 48V to 60V and the X may fit his needs. However I really like the design of the 512. IIRC someone from Ristretto said in a video they would update the seats due to complaints.
@@wilfredpapaya4739 fair point, I see what you mean that someone may be willing to pay more for something as long as it has the features they are looking for, and to them it's a better value. Cheers bud!
If the mid drive motor drove the rear wheel, like the Biktrix, then it might be interesting. But, a mid drive single speed is just dumb.
It lowers unsprung weight to go mid-drive.
this is true
To my eyes the ristretto looks far nicer than the lyric. The lyric has a "cheap" look to it.
If the 52 volt is a quality build with quality controller and suits the bike it's going to be running and has been tougbley tested then a 50 volt can perform very well, infact it's a gen 4 and it's going to be able to do speeds up and over 40mph seen in in videos doing this and it's a quality but product, as is the word ristretto meaning, best quality coffee can buy
The alternative to “thru axle“ is not “dropouts.“ It is “quick release.” This is basic stuff, and it’s pretty weird that someone making bicycle related content wouldn’t know that.
I’ve ridden many mid drives and hub drives, and I’m a long time avid cyclist. I know I’m in the minority of most cyclists but I’ve come to prefer hub drives for their simplicity. I do like mid drives that are belt driven with internally geared rear hubs, though.
I appreciate your insight on ebikes as I am saving to purchase one, also what should the amp hour be on a 60w battery?
A mid drive that comes with no gear system is great because you can them chose to get any of the few internal gear hubs that are a lot better than the derailors most mid drives come with, altough you will be limited on the maximum torque you can use to not break the gear hub.
There’s completely new electric shift systems that should come out in 2025. Fully internal, are mounted around where the mid drive is, and shifts very fast. No cassette
@@slimdunkin117 Are you talking about the Pinion gear boxes?
Because if so, they do remove the hability to use a mid drive system from the bike or in case of the Motor gear hub, limit the bike only to european specification, and when compared to the high power mid drive this bicicle has, they require special engineering of the frame to work, making it more expencive than normal bikes.
I'd take the hubmotor. I still can go back home even if the chains snaps.
That's why the Ristretto 512 has TWO chains.
Why would a dual shock system underperform a mono-shock system? Seems having 2 shocks would have more dampening capability than just one, especially for heavier riders or if carrying a passenger.
Hey NPL have you heard of Rumble motors APEX PREDATOR? Carbon fiber belt, single speed, 60v, regen brakes? $3400 pre-order, 50+ mph.
I don’t believe it has regen
@@vardanfitness7866 I called the designer of the Apex Predator, Aubrey Dustin at Rumble motors and he said it actually does. It doesn’t list that in specs on the website. But he did confirm regen. I am not sure if it will have a cadence or torque sensor, though.
not a ebike, but a great entry level electric motorcycle
Dont know which 2 get this or the a1 pro
I’m not sure what your price range is but if you’re talking about just quality, I would go for the 512
Mid drive is vastly superior to hub and direct drives..Aside from the maintenance part
I’ve been trying to decide between the 512 and the graffiti X for a while now which one do you think is a better choice?
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@@tonyholmes9024 r u leaning towards one over the other?
hard to tell which one is better when they won't even know release basic specs on the graffiti. I can tell you this much though, it will be closer to $4k after all said and done, if not then there is no way in a million years it can beat the value you get out of the 512 at $3230 out the door.
The advantages of a mid-engine: better cooling, man g
can change the gear ratio, higher torques
How many amps is the controller?
I couldve brought for 2400 which i shouldve of.
why didn't you?
I wouldn t go under 72v, your p51 seems better to me!
I just need an ebike to get me a few miles down dirt/logging roads to trail heads. That way I'm not adding like 6-10 extra miles to my hike. Do you recommend hub drive or mid drive for some "light mountain biking"?
I'd go with a mid drive.
We are the manufacturer for high end Electric bikes in China
Do you have the website? I'm interested on it.
It's not able to send web here, can I have your email or WhatsApp?@@jerrysun179
Mid drive bikes offer a significant torque and better control on the power. Hubs are good only if you use them in a 2WD setup
If the mono shock was superior than twin shock then why are 95% motorbikes got double shocks, I think your totally wrong with that comment, as you only say that because you got mono shocks on your bikes, very biased I say your comment
Ont much bemefitz just a ton of Nm😂 and a better Balan point
People want..Long range..and ..great price..2,000 bucks...or it's then overpriced 😊
But can't get 😂
isnt this company making drama videos about how they cant make orders and people making yt videos how they are not being refunded
Nireeka Mega
Never buy a lyric bike. They never deliver and just keep your money.
what's a lyric bike ?
@@markvalentine9977 what he showcased in the video. Lyric graffiti.
thank you
Ristretto is worse ... they have held customers money for over a year and still continue to push back the dates giving ridiculous excuses!
@@Rogue_1987 lyric has held full preorders for the voodoo back in summer 2022.
Prefer dual hub motors