I think it's pretty cool that I stood on the corner of the block where Aleister Crowley lived in New York. He must have stood there many times. But nothing dramatic happened.
I stood in that doorway only two days ago. Although I've visited most of the Ripper scenes before I'd never found Goulston Street until this trip so seeing the actual spot was a buzz. The narrator is right that in the main the people going about their lives in the area seem to have no knowledge of what happened there. In Durward Street (Bucks Row) the new Elizabeth Line tube entrance opens literally next to the spot where Polly Nicholls was killed. As you step out onto the street look to your right and about a metre away, that's the spot. 99 out of 100 people wouldn't know.
Very interesting tale. How surprising that in the days that followed, nobody thought to ask the local vendors if that message had already been on the wall for days or if they had never seen any sign of it before.
Well, I'd assume they DID find out that it had been there for days. Why wouldn't they? The only record is of what went on that night, when they didn't know. When they found out later, the story had already gotten out, so there was no point doing anything about it in terms of legal paperwork. Not everything that happens gets written down. In fact, very little does. Because people are not fond of paperwork! Once you know that the graffitii was already there, you know it has nothing to do with your case. So you just never write about it again, so the stuff that was documented, is all that ever makes it into history. And once a possibility was ruled out - Like finding out the graffitti predated the murder - That ruling out, doesn't get recorded. Plus, it wouldn't be news, either. You can't run "Grafitti we thought was left by ripper turns out to have been there for weeks" as a newspaper headline. That's not how you sell a newspaper. so it wouldn't have been recorded in the press, either. So I think it's highly likely that there is NO mystery. Thet found out that it had been there for ages, so it just dropped out of the news and out of police records. I dunno why people expect everything to be recorded. You stop recording as soon as possible, just you hate your fucking job.
Yeah, posting a guard seems like an obvious problem. But I cannot wrap my head around the idea that people reading a graffit would then turn around and attack Jewish vendors. What the hell? That makes no sense whatsoever and it's hard to believe anyone let him get away this argument.
I guess if it was the Ripper, he would have been writing in the pitch dark of the night, in a doorway he specifically chose so as to not be seen (hence even darker). Pretty hard to write in the dark, although not impossible. Without photos I guess we wouldn't know how legible it was. Interesting things to ponder.
It legible enough to read as we know what it said. If he had pre chosen that doorway, it would likely have been because so few people were about that time of night so he could have used a lamp to write by.
@@JackTheRipperTours It's a terrible point! Little kids like Steven are used to just snapping a selfie on their toy iphone, but photography in 1888 was somewhat different.
@@fdfsdfsvsfgsg4888 Granted, it wouldn't have taken a minute to take the photo, they still could have covered it up, place a cops around it and then when things settled down, taken the photo. I don't see why you guys are such jerks about his answer.
I have family photos that were taken circa 1888, amazing to have in my possession, but probably not as amazing being the photographed people, I think that there was an unusual waiting time, compared to the very easy task it is today!
I don't think that had anything to do with the murder at all. I will have to say it is extremely cool that the apartment building/entrance still exists.
Agreed, Glenn. This gem of a channel has been entertaining and informative without overbearing opinions or conclusions. Like you sir, I too get much to think on from it.
I personally don't think that the killer wrote the mesage. Surely, if he was in such a hurry to discard the evidence and get away, he would not take the time to start writing a message in the pitch black street? I think that the message was already there and the killer just tossed the apron there. Perhaps even without thinking about what it ment if the police found it. We don't know if the killer was fluent in English and we don't know if he could read and write.
Highly unlikely that the graffiti would've been there before the murder took place, which happened at night, as the local Jewish community would've erased it during daylight hours. Happenchance is a stretch.
It's a chalk scrawl. It's a sad fact that victims of abuse of this kind often get so much of it that cleaning it off would have been an undertaking in of itself. They might have just accepted that this would continue and let the rain was it away. And then there is the vagueness of the message itself. It's not 100% clear if it's blaming Jewish people or attempting to remove blame. Double negative. If I say I didn't not do something I'm actual saying I did. But I might have meant to say I did not do something.
@@Concreteowlrecent events have demonstrated that sometimes graffito such as this is done by the apparent victim for their own reasons. Cant go into details as they are, well, antisemetic
Mr Policeman apparently felt it wasn't worth asking any of the tenants about....and they could've covered the writing with a simple bed sheet and waited for a photographer.....If it was there already, and upset the people there....wouldn't it have beed erased or reported?
To think that some of my ancestors lived in this area, although before these horrendous acts took place. This was a very straightforward and informative video, thank you! Definitely subbed!
It is a popular theory (which I also subscribe to) that Jack The Ripper was a Polish Jew who was locked away the Bethel Asylum after the Mary Kelly murder under the name David Cohen (the Hebrew version of John Smith or John Doe). The police hushed it up at the time due to racial tensions in London's East End. This individual, known to de violent toward women, died some 6 months later in Bethel Hospital (Bedlam) due to 3rd stage syphilis, a disease he originally contracted through a prostitute. The man's real name was Nathan Kaminsky, hence the misunderstanding with the non-violent but equally insane Aaron Kosminsky. Kaminsky worked as a boot maker on the Whitechapel Road & it was probably his apron, covered in his victim's blood. He was also under police surveillance at the time and a suspect, though at night in Whitechapel it was easy to give the police the slip. Nathan Kaminsky lived at 15 Black Lion Yard, right in the centre of where the killings took place.
That's probably one of the best quick synopsis I've read. Been studying Jack for decades. My money has been on Kosminski for years, but this about Kaminski opens things up a lot. So Kaminski does the deed, sees his apron is covered in blood, and thinking he would stand out like dogs balls as he's out and about, cuts off a portion of his own apron. He wanders off carrying the bloody apron with him, and then decides he needs to be rid of it. This dark doorway will do. Throws the remnant in and toddles off in the clear. Does the job for me....
@@logotrikes You'd love the book by Martin Fido called 'The Crimes, Detection And Death Of Jack the Ripper'. Martin is one of the foremost historians when it comes to Jack. Have fun!
honestly, who knows who it was. Someone at the time would have, and it was likely someone who blended in. it's just one of those mysteries that will never be solved
It's sad when crimes like this go unsolved. When I was a kid a little girl in our town went missing and it's been a mystery ever since. It's almost 50 years ago now. Her parents would probably be close to 80 now and it's unlikely they'll ever find out what happened to their daughter. Same with the families of the Ripper's victims They all died without knowing who was the killer.
Beautifully presented and narrated.Easy to understand and straight to the point.I don't think Jack would have left that message,he had more horrifying work to do,stalking and mutilating poor women.👍👍
It's why warren ordered it rubbed out.he went straight to goulston street not to Berber street or mitre square.he already had the handwriting of dear boss.warren wanted to compare the writing of the letter and the juwes' message.
I personally think this was not written by the ripper. If it looked faded it must have been from the unrest weeks earlier. I think it was coincidence that part of the bloody dress was found there. If you were the ripper you would not want to hang around to write a message and would it be common back then for everyone to carry chalk with them?
An obvious solution to law enforcement’s quandary would be to nail a board over the writing after copying it down and post a couple of men to guard it until the police could replace the door and take it in as evidence. Did that really occur to no one? It must have.
Funny, I grew up in east London. I never felt unsafe walking around. I SHOULD HAVE, but I didn’t. I think I was so comfortable in my surroundings, I just went wherever I wanted, whenever I wanted. No way I’d do that now….no way.
The Jack the ripper letters to the council had a difference hand writing ,than the graffiti writing on the wall. Some police officers believed the graffiti was already there, as it was a Jews majority area , and anybody could have written it .
I have always thought that the graffiti was a red herring. The apron certainly wasn't though and obviously the proximity of them have caused the two things to be connected, although I believe erroneously so. Great video - I also really enjoyed the 5 sites one too.
The idea that the killer, 5 minutes walk from his latest victim's body would stop and write a message is too far fetched. He would have been desperate to leave the area. I believe the message was erased because the police realised it was old graffiti.
@@jobiwankenobi99 It would be interesting to know how neat the writing was and whether it was written in straight lines. Quite a feat given that the doorway might have been pitch black.
There could have been a completely different reason why he chose that dark doorway: he defecated. It’s not unusual at all that killers have bowel movement because of stress, excitement and relief after a murder. My guess is he cut the piece of the apron to wipe off the blade, and his hands, and then wrapped it around the blade. However, when he had escaped and realized he gotten away with it once again, his stomach acted up on Goulston Street. To clean himself up afterwards he used the only available item he had: the piece of the apron. It was not supposed to be found, but he couldn’t really put it back in his pocket when it was soiled with feces, so discarded it there. I’m aware of that Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown stated in the autopsy report that “some feculent matter” had smeared Eddowe’s intestines draped over her right shoulder, and that could of course very well explain the soiled cloth, but there is also a possibility that the traces of “feculent matter” on the pice of apron actually belonged to the killer. If so, we would have had a DNA-sample, had it been preserved until today. Has anyone tried to check the names of the residents of the particular tenement in Goulston Street, at the time of Eddowes murder btw?
It was a lot easier to blend in and disappear into the night back then than now, street lights were virtually nonexistent or not great anyway even when lit.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but couldn't they have rigged up a sheet of some kind to cover the graffito until it got photographed? Perhaps with a constable on duty whose main job it was to keep people from looking behind it.
Chances are that Jack was a Jew himself and not only that but a Whitechapel local. None of the back streets were lit in those days yet Jack was able to move through them very quickly. A stranger would have gotten lost and run up dead end alleys. He had to know the district in order to be able to move around with the speed that we know he did. Few Christians lived in the area back then meaning that a person with such expertise was most likely Jewish. We also know that Jack was educated and unlikely to have written using such poor grammar making the graffiti the work of someone else.
And yet BTK, a serial killer who was fairly intelligent, made numerous grammatical errors and spelling errors, and even pronunciation errors. If he could slice someone apart in near total darkness, why not write with chalk a little message for the cops who would likely find the apron piece he dropped, so he wasn't carrying evidence if he got stopped.
You can't say what the reaction against Jews would have been. Also, why do people find it so hard to believe that the person was in fact Jewish? He literally flees to a Jewish area and knew that part very will; as is pointed out at the end, the graffito could have been faded.
The clue here is there is a Masonic tie. There was no misspelling, the “Juwes” is plural for 3 men in a masonic teaching. Nobody would know that at that time unless they were a Mason or somehow familiar with the teachings. Most of the high ranking police and the doctors were masons, is that the real reason they washed it off? The apron, an important masonic symbol, part of a Freemasons garb. “Mitre Square” Mitre is a masonic tool and symbol, “a mason’s mitre”
The *Mystic tie* - Yes indeed, or the person who wrote that message had bad spelling and grammar. "Not to be blamed for nothing" - this also sounds like a riddle and makes the person who wrote this sound literate, or at least intelligent enough to correctly "Jews". Perhaps "Juwes" was intentional.
I have listened to an essay that suggested that the piece of cloth found with blood and faecal matter could be an improvised sanitary product. I cannot remember which essay it was specifically as it was 1 of 25, but it can be found in the book/ audiobook 'The Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper' by Maxim Jakubowski.
Apart from the uncertainty of the author of the message. another alternative regarding the apron, - Dump the apron and then go in a different direction.
I think that graffiti meant and was written by a person who simply states that a certain group of men will not be blamed for something they have not done!
Also let's not forget that it was the night at the double event because he'd already killed Liz stride that same night I think he wrote it before he killed either woman
@@martinkirby3100 There's really nothing to connect the graffito with Jack, though. It might have been there awhile or Jack might be the writer. It's not easy to write a legible message on a brick wall in pitch darkness, either. Would he chance to write it when the area was well lit? We just don't know.
Serial killers often take mementos of their crimes, for whatever reason. Usually something from the victim. I think Jack murdered Catherine, then cut the apron section off to remember his "double event", then heard the policeman and hastily retreated (perhaps still messy from his work, messier than usual or preferred). From some estimates he had only killed Catherine for 4 or 5 minutes and was scared away. After getting a bit away, he probably saw an opportunity to wipe down his hands and his knife with this cloth so he didn't mistakenly get fingered as a suspect, ducked into a doorway, and may have mistakenly dropped the piece of apron when trying to put it back in his cloak or pocket. Or - he purposefully dropped it in case he was stopped and questioned, to avoid having evidence he was even at the crime scene.
If you're going by the phrase: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing" It could be taken in a few ways: If written using incorrect grammar it could mean; 1.They won't be blamed for anything/any act. 2. They won't be blamed for any reason. If the grammar is taken to be correct/intentional, it could mean; 3. They won't be blamed for no reason. (i.e. They will be blamed, but for a reason) 4. They won't be blamed for having done nothing (i.e. They will not accept blame for having committed no crime) 5. They won't be blamed for something insignificant. The phrase could be interpreted in other ways also. Added to this, there are several accounts of precisely what was written, making it impossible to accurately determine the true meaning. Confusing to be sure!
They couldn't have covered up the message with a bit of cardboard and guarded it until daylight, then put a police cordon in place so it could be photographed privately then? These were the best minds that the police had at the time?? Really?? 🙄
@@JackTheRipperTours That is true. Even so I don’t think the graffiti had any connection to the case. As mentioned there were spelling errors in the graffiti and the letters supposedly written by Jack had great spelling so I doubt there was any connection.
Winston Churchill was fourteen at the time. He was quite a fit lad. I am proposing to write a best seller proving that he was the real Jack the Ripper, as there is a large element currently at large who are barely literate, but like anything which is critical of Churchill. It will be, of course, entirely unsubstantiated drivel, but that doesn't seem to have harmed things like 'The Da Vinci Code' much. Please don't take me seriously, by the way. My money has always been on Nathan Kaminski, but I would not claim to be by any means an expert.
I believe the ripper knew or had accidentally come across this writing in the days beforehand, then deliberately dropped the Bloody apron in this location.
Once again lovely narration. The sudden volume spike of the music at the end always gives me a start though lol. Don't fall asleep to these videos people or you'll wake up with your heart jumping
Juwes in Masonic lore, are the 3 assassins who slew Hiram Abif. They were named Jubelo, Jubelum and Jubela and represent the Ascendant, Midheaven and Descendant position of the sun. Could someone have left a clue pointing to a Masonic connection or ritual aspect to the murders or comparing the killer to the assassins of Hiram Abif?
That is just nonsense from Knight's book and there is no evidence that the Masons ever called those murderous brothers the "Juwes". Why would they? It is just a mispelling of "Jews" and Hiram was also a Jew hence he is building the Jewish temple. I also find it unlikely that even if true, which it isn't, Masons would write something presumably incriminating themselves and calling themselves "Juwes". What!?!
Someone with a light streak of chalk on the shoulder of their coat, or their palm or fingers?...the Catholic church Bishop there, (his hat is a 'mitre')... wife's name was MaryAnn. "In England" instead of, or as, "in English"; imo, it's an "I" not a "J". It would be "carry the blame" * ...those are cesaerean marks, but not intending a delivery. She was getting it way worse at home than anyone knew; he was setting on the kids as well--slight chance she couldn't stand the thought of bringing another victim into the world & did it to herself, by which the perp was 'set free' then went on a murder spree. It (the murder) 'says' ..."where's the baby?" * "can't figure out your watery love"
Richard, do you know when the 'Dear Boss ' letter first appeared in the newspapers? I cannot find it anywhere. I have managed to find the ' George of the High Rip Gang' letter in contemporary press reports, but not the ' Dear Boss ' letter or ' Saucy Jacky' postcard. I am led to believe that the former of the two missives said to be written by the same hand was made public on 1 October 1888. However, i cannot find any evidence of this anywhere. I believe the ' O, we are masters of the art' letter was recieved on or around 3 October and made public via several newspapers that week.
Hi Pete. The Dear Boss letter first appeared in some newspapers on the 1st of October. A full transcript of it was published in that day's Morning Post, The Dundee Courier, The Scotsman and several other newspapers across the country on that day.
To me the chalked message makes sense. The ripper was clearly seen by Israel Schwartz and Israel was an obvious Jewish person,an Orthodox Jew. The ripper would be paranoid about being seen by a Jewish person,he shouted lipski to Schwartz as he walked past,an insult due to a murderer, Often shouted at Jews at that time, so had a poke at them to get them thinking more about Jews rather than himself,its like he's having a stab at them because he was seen by one,makes sense.
I'd almost be willing to discount the graffiti as coincidental. If this was a mostly Jewish area and there had been antisemitism recently, you would have expected someone would have wiped off the message earlier. That's the only reason I can think that I can't completely discount this as a clue.
How do we know that anti-Semetic message was left by The Ripper? It seems to have nothing to do with the victims, who were all prostitutes. And would Jack take the time to scrawl such a message on the wall while he was running from the scene?
Maybe there was a Victorian John humble around at the time ? The word juwes looks to have been spelt phonetically. Suggesting a person of little education. Or maybe someone trying to hide their own Higher education by misspelling words. Or maybe just an antisemetic trouble maker Plenty of those around Even today.
Some suspects like Charles Cross, aka, Lechmere, seem almost surefire with the evidence, but went on living for another few decades, and it's almost impossible to believe that any psycho who'd taunt the police as the serial killer did, which included mailing in a human kidney, would stop committing crimes and just go on living a normal life. I think the guy either died or was jailed for another crime without the authorities knowing for sure that he was Jack. No one that psychotic just stops being psychotic. It probably was a carman like Cross working the routes late night/early mornings, as there were quite a few of them. Maybe one dying of syphilis.
Lechmere is the perfect suspect he physically passed every murder site on his way to work and from work his mom lived around the corner from one of the murders,
I wounder if the police ever looked through the names of all the residents living in the area to see if any were doctor's etc especially after knowing after other kills that the killer knew what he was doing
I thought of that too. Or an occupation which required a sharp knife . Everyone thinks of a doctor or a butcher, but didn't cobblers Shoe and boot makers have sharp knives? Leather workers, belt and saddle makers have sharp knives? Also many men may have carried knives because it was such a dangerous area.
Chances are The Ripper was a butcher himself since there were many jobs for butchers in the area. My thought is that a detective/investigator from Sweden has the best logical reasoning for who the Ripper was. A must see podcast! Makes perfect sense to me.
@@JackTheRipperTours who made THAT call? I have little faith in the police of that time that even an idiot would know that's important piece of evidence. Makes me think the police were nothing but glorified security guards
Did the ripper live in or near the building, cleaning up before entering? Why would he get rid if the apron he used to carry the kidney unless he had reached his destination?
Fabulous channel! Just discovered it and have subscribed. Your manner of presentation is very professional and the content is intriguing. Looking forward to watching all your videos. Thanks!
@@JackTheRipperTours I left a comment yesterday. I've read the great comments that were left by the sleuths. As far as I know, a photograph was taken of the statement on the wall. Night photography was developed in 1887 by Adolph Miethe. It was a magnesium compound at a high shutter speed. Widely used by police and journalists for night photography. Chalk was also carried by Bobbies and Constables on Patrol (COPS) to identify potential evidence at any crime scene. Before a doctor was called out. Potential evidence that the Bobbie might have thought would be destroyed or moved before Scottland Yard investigation could arrive at the seen. Not pointing any fingers. So, yes, a photo was taken of the graffiti written in the hallway. It is available if you dig. That's all I have for now on my comment.
I doubt the graffiti was put there by the Ripper as his letter to the police - where he signed himself "Jack the Ripper" - was in perfect English and very good penmanship. Unless he had an accomplice...
and how difficult would it have been to ask the people that use that staircase every day if there was a chalked message on the wall prior to that night. The pice must surely have done that
Or he saw the graffiti on his way there, or earlier in the day, and ditched the cloth there. I think JTR was more evil than mad. Holding onto evidence that can link you to a murder for 5 minutes while you walk to a particular spot ? If he did write it, he could even have done so on on the way there.
The graffiti, I can take it or leave it. I feel like it was already there and of little importance. When a sensational murder took place near it, that made it noteworthy regardless. The apron piece is interesting though. I think it was deliberate misdirection. There were any number of places it could've been hid & never found. He wanted it to be found, wanted people to think that was his direction home.
If they had photographed the message....we could be comparing it to letters to this day....Horrible mistake to wipe that away.....And pathetic that the spelling differed according to different officers.
A later suspect named Hyam Hyams had connections to Wentworth Model buildings, think his mother or some other relative lived there. The apron I,m convinced was dropped by theRipper but the graffito definitely not in my thinking.Great video.
If the murderer was trying to escape the area as quickly as possible, why would he take the time to carefully write graffito on a wall? Especially if the wall was in a dark, unlighted spot.
As someone else has stated after killing eddowes and mutilating her he ran off, but on his way he had to take a massive dump in a doorway. He took the time whilst crapping immensely to chalk some nonsense on a wall before wiping his ass and knife on eddowes' piece of cloth.
I've often wondered about the chalk used for the message, was it something lying around and the killer just thought he'd create a bit of mischief with it. Or did he have it on him, and why? Is the graffito even linked to the apron or just a random anti Semitic scrawl (in an ostensibly Jewish neighbourhood there must have been a lot of it) I actually agree with the Met's assessment regarding the graffito - there were probably more than enough meatheads ready to kick off at the slightest provocation, so erasing it was probably the lesser of evils. It may be that the killer wanted to distract Police attention, by taking a gamble and heading east to drop off a 'clue' before returning west (why were there no other attempts to cut off items of clothing to clean the knives?)
"...and the killer thought he'd create a bit of mischief with it" - I'm not sure I would ever consider anything Jack the Ripper did or potentially did as "a bit of mischief". lol! Children are known to dabble in mischief. A serial killer, whose crimes grew more and more gruesome with each victim, is more prone to extreme violence.
I don't know who left the writing, but I do know that it rained in torrents on the night of the double event. I'm kinda thinking that if it had been there earlier it may have been washed away by the rain. Also it was an antisemitic message left on a Jewish boarding house. If it had been written earlier then why didn't the Jews living in the building wipe it off? Also the fact that the only clue left by the killer away from the murder scene could have been a signal to get the investigators to read his message. If the killer left nothing there, then the message on the wall would never have been connected to him. But there is no way to prove any of this. I don't know what happened, or who the killer was, but I don't believe anyone else truly does either. I've read the books, watched the documentaries like anyone else, but I don't believe in any of the suspects that have been put forward.
I dont understand the logic of saying the graffito was there before. If it was so important to quickly remove it after the murder, then it would have been removed well before.
The goulston street graffiti reads the men of Lurves...not juwes.. it means the men with the the sick obsessed stalker love... most likely unfaithful husband in every single murder. Murder for inheritance and jealousy. A frantic crazy love...Lurf... we just don’t use word anymore
Pleased you enjoy the videos Alfredo. The DNA was taken from what was supposed to me Catherine Eddowes shawl, not the apron that was found in Goulston Street.
@@alfredocosio536 the DNA test on a shawl said to be owned by catherine eddowes matched dna given by a relative of kominski. The problem is The tests were not reliable and no ripperolgist believes the results. The shawl was also never listed in the victims belongings after the murder. It would be nice to know the identity of the ripper but the dna testing didn't reveal any truth sadly
@@alfredocosio536 No there hasn't. Also, any DNA investigations into JTR are flawed because of the passage of a century and the unknown number of hands that have come into contact with them.
Like most of Jack's exploits, there are some puzzling inconsistencies here! By the way, I've only just found your channel, but I do enjoy the JTR videos! So: In heading to Goulston St from Mitre Sq, Jack was heading back towards the place where he'd murdered Liz Stride in Whitechapel earlier that morning - why would he do that? Surely the graffito would have been noticed by the residents of the 10 or so flats as they came and went through the passageway if it had been there before that night? Why weren't they asked? Wouldn't the Jewish families living in the Wentworth Dwellings have erased the graffito themselves if they'd seen it before the night of the 'double event'? Halse said that he hadn't seen the apron fragment 30 mins before when he passed by on his beat. He and Long both said that it was inside the passage to the staircase, not at the doorway. Warren contradicted this in his Nov 6th statement that the the cloth and writing were clearly visible to anybody in the street. Why was Warren even in Goulston St at 5am - the Eddowes murder wasn't on his patch, so why was he in Goulston St and not Berners St? Why would Jack leave the apron part anywhere - why didn't he take it home with him and dispose of it later? As in the video, it's the only tangible clue he ever left, so why would he be so 'careless'' just this once? My own opinion is that Jack was quite smart, so leaving the apron fragment next to the graffito tied him to the words. There isn't much concrete evidence that he didn't write the graffito himself. If he didn't, then how did he choose a random doorway to drop off a bloodstained bit of cloth that just so happened to have some anti-semetic writing on the wall above it? Also, in defence of the poor victims, it's possible that they weren't all prostitutes. It was a different time back then and lots of people lived on the streets and maybe did things to get a bed for the night. Only one of the 'canonical' five was murdered indoors and I don't think there's any evidence that he had sex with any of them?
There are certainly, inconsistences, Peter. Goulston Street was in Metropolitan Police territory, albeit the clue, i.e. the apron pertained to a City of London Police investigation. However, the graffito was Metropolitan Police territory and investigation, which is why the disagreement between the two over what should be done with it. Warren turned up and overruled the City Police objections and ordered its erasure before it could be photographed.
@@JackTheRipperTours I know it was 1888, but Warren thought it important enough to destroy potential evidence? Even if the graffito was visible from the street (as Warren lied about), why couldn't it have been covered up and photographed or transcribed accurately later?
Whilst there was definitely no evidence of sexual activity with the victims, all of the canonical five had been known locally as having engaged in prostitution at one time or another. Goulston Street was approx 6 minute walk away from Mitre Square in a North Easterly direction, whereas Dutfields Yard was about 15 minutes east and on the opposite side of Whitechapel Road. If the ripper had continued north east towards Brick Lane and not far from Hanbury street. If, on the other hand, if he had changed direction a little he could have travelled up Goulston Street, continuing along Bell Lane and into the rookeries in and around Dorset Street, where police went only in groups and white great caution. Modern criminologists, specialising in geographical profiling, have found that serial killers tend to live either on the outskirts of their hunting ground, or else in the middle of it. Either would support the possibility that, assuming he continued from Goulston Street roughly in the same direction as he was already travelling, he would end up right in the middle or easterly outskirts of his killing zone, suggesting he may have been travelling home. The further he travelled on this trajectory, the further he would be getting from Berner Street. Either way, I’ve always suspected that he may have lived in one of the many side-streets north of Whitechapel High Street and south of the railway line. But I suspect we’ll never really know.
@@GrilloTheFlightless It’s also interesting that George Yard, where Martha Tabram was murdered, was just a short distance along Wentworth Street. Coincidence perhaps, but if we accept Tabram’s murder as the work of Jack then it falls squarely within his territory. To my mind it’s always been Berner Street that was the outlier. Perhaps Liz stride wasn’t one of his victims after all, but Martha was? I don’t know if it’s still the same today, but the times I’ve visited the scene in the past, the building opposite has exactly the same stairwell entrances and one was still open so could be viewed. I believe it would have provided adequate cover, to allow the killer to scrawl the message, perhaps to deliberately throw suspicion onto the Jews? It’s also a narrow opening so police could easily have blocked it off until it until the graffito could be photographed. A single policeman standing in the entrance would have been sufficient to prevent the public gaining access to see the evidence. To my mind Charles Warren’s actions have always been suspicious. Was he negligent, panicked, or even complicit in covering up evidence?
@@TheWinterwraith Have you read the Robinson book? His suspect had some connections to Toynbee Hall (right next to George Yard - now Gunthorpe St) which is right in the middle of the canonical five (and other) murders. Dutfield's Yard was less than half a mile away. The Goulston St site was 260 yds away. The outlier then would have been Mary Ann Nichols (Jack's first victim?) in Bucks Row (now Durward St) - about half a mile away. The book is a bit different from the 'traditional' view of the policing and the suspects, but it seems well researched and is a good read. The trouble is that Jack's identity will never be known, so who knows...
As a hunter who has had to eviscerate a kill, one bad cut will get you feces. You learn not to do that but I've only had to do it in the daylight with time on my side.
Think about it, everytime you stand in that shop door, you’re literally standing where Jack the Ripper stood
I think it's pretty cool that I stood on the corner of the block where Aleister Crowley lived in New York. He must have stood there many times. But nothing dramatic happened.
Only in relation to the Earth. As a point somewhere in all of the universe, the location is always changing. It will never be in that location again.
I stood in that doorway only two days ago. Although I've visited most of the Ripper scenes before I'd never found Goulston Street until this trip so seeing the actual spot was a buzz. The narrator is right that in the main the people going about their lives in the area seem to have no knowledge of what happened there. In Durward Street (Bucks Row) the new Elizabeth Line tube entrance opens literally next to the spot where Polly Nicholls was killed. As you step out onto the street look to your right and about a metre away, that's the spot. 99 out of 100 people wouldn't know.
Very interesting tale. How surprising that in the days that followed, nobody thought to ask the local vendors if that message had already been on the wall for days or if they had never seen any sign of it before.
That's a great point. They didn't seem too concerned in following up this possible clue.
it really makes you think
Well, I'd assume they DID find out that it had been there for days. Why wouldn't they? The only record is of what went on that night, when they didn't know. When they found out later, the story had already gotten out, so there was no point doing anything about it in terms of legal paperwork. Not everything that happens gets written down. In fact, very little does. Because people are not fond of paperwork! Once you know that the graffitii was already there, you know it has nothing to do with your case. So you just never write about it again, so the stuff that was documented, is all that ever makes it into history. And once a possibility was ruled out - Like finding out the graffitti predated the murder - That ruling out, doesn't get recorded. Plus, it wouldn't be news, either. You can't run "Grafitti we thought was left by ripper turns out to have been there for weeks" as a newspaper headline. That's not how you sell a newspaper. so it wouldn't have been recorded in the press, either.
So I think it's highly likely that there is NO mystery. Thet found out that it had been there for ages, so it just dropped out of the news and out of police records. I dunno why people expect everything to be recorded. You stop recording as soon as possible, just you hate your fucking job.
It's amazing they didn't just cover up the graffiti and protect it with a police presence until they were done with it.
Crowd control much easier said than done in those days.
@@zeddeka How so?
Only one clue here, the apron
What about the residents coming downstairs to begin their day? That makes it difficult.
Yeah, posting a guard seems like an obvious problem. But I cannot wrap my head around the idea that people reading a graffit would then turn around and attack Jewish vendors. What the hell? That makes no sense whatsoever and it's hard to believe anyone let him get away this argument.
I agree, I don't think Jack wrote it. Who ever did, chose this spot because it was particially out of sight.
The Jewes is not 'anti-semetic' ;it's antimasonic - THE JUDEES WILL NOT BE BLAMED.
Racist graffiti only. No connection to JtR, but showing the fear LE had of setting off a Pogrom in London ala Kristalnacht or NY draft riots.
@@timothytietz9194Jew isn’t a race
All the police had todo was cover it with a sheet until the camera arrived.
I guess if it was the Ripper, he would have been writing in the pitch dark of the night, in a doorway he specifically chose so as to not be seen (hence even darker). Pretty hard to write in the dark, although not impossible. Without photos I guess we wouldn't know how legible it was. Interesting things to ponder.
It is very intriguing to ponder.
It legible enough to read as we know what it said. If he had pre chosen that doorway, it would likely have been because so few people were about that time of night so he could have used a lamp to write by.
Test this yourself…. It’s easy.
@@nigel900 Okay I did it, but now I'm too scared to turn the lights on and find out what it says.
@@tommyhemlock7915 Has it ever been suggested anywhere that Jack the Ripper lugged a flipping lamp around with him!
They could have covered it up with a sheet and 2 nails and shooed people away for the minute it would take to photograph.
Hi Steven. That is a good point.
@@JackTheRipperTours It's a terrible point! Little kids like Steven are used to just snapping a selfie on their toy iphone, but photography in 1888 was somewhat different.
if only people back then were as smart as you..........they could have just used their cellphones if they weren't such ignorant victorian dumbells
@@fdfsdfsvsfgsg4888 Granted, it wouldn't have taken a minute to take the photo, they still could have covered it up, place a cops around it and then when things settled down, taken the photo. I don't see why you guys are such jerks about his answer.
I have family photos that were taken circa 1888, amazing to have in my possession, but probably not as amazing being the photographed people, I think that there was an unusual waiting time, compared to the very easy task it is today!
I don't think that had anything to do with the murder at all. I will have to say it is extremely cool that the apartment building/entrance still exists.
Agreed
Essential viewing! A fine film, superbly constructed and narrated, I've found out much about the horrid crime I was unaware of. Thank you & VBW x
Thank you Glenn. Very kind of you to say so.
A mis clue, to make people, cops, believe he went that away, when he didn't go that way all.
Agreed, Glenn. This gem of a channel has been entertaining and informative without overbearing opinions or conclusions. Like you sir, I too get much to think on from it.
What happened to the bloody apron?! Archived as evidence somewhere or lost forever?
I personally don't think that the killer wrote the mesage. Surely, if he was in such a hurry to discard the evidence and get away, he would not take the time to start writing a message in the pitch black street? I think that the message was already there and the killer just tossed the apron there. Perhaps even without thinking about what it ment if the police found it. We don't know if the killer was fluent in English and we don't know if he could read and write.
Ikr. Sweating and nervously wiping off his hands and knife, Jack stopped to write a haiku and political message to boot.
This guy does a great job with this series of videos
The bloody apron is a clue but the "graffito" could have already been there unrelated to the crime but it still should not have been erased.
Highly unlikely that the graffiti would've been there before the murder took place, which happened at night, as the local Jewish community would've erased it during daylight hours. Happenchance is a stretch.
It's a chalk scrawl. It's a sad fact that victims of abuse of this kind often get so much of it that cleaning it off would have been an undertaking in of itself. They might have just accepted that this would continue and let the rain was it away. And then there is the vagueness of the message itself. It's not 100% clear if it's blaming Jewish people or attempting to remove blame. Double negative. If I say I didn't not do something I'm actual saying I did. But I might have meant to say I did not do something.
@@Concreteowlrecent events have demonstrated that sometimes graffito such as this is done by the apparent victim for their own reasons.
Cant go into details as they are, well, antisemetic
If the writing had already been on the walls in the days before, wouldn't have at least one person been able to say they had seen it there previously?
Mr Policeman apparently felt it wasn't worth asking any of the tenants about....and they could've covered the writing with a simple bed sheet and waited for a photographer.....If it was there already, and upset the people there....wouldn't it have beed erased or reported?
@@johnsain It was probably ignored for what it was, a bit of nonsense.
Especially since the cop was concerned about racial tensions. No events occured.
Absolutely fascinating. Love the narration. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
jack stopped in a dark place to clean up, i find it hard to believe he took the time to chalk a message in the dark
it wasnt a long write up though, it would of taken long
I agree
I think he was playing God at this time of night. He felt he had all the power. This was just another part of that power trip.
To think that some of my ancestors lived in this area, although before these horrendous acts took place.
This was a very straightforward and informative video, thank you!
Definitely subbed!
Interesting!
I cannot for the life of me understand with a large police presence how he was never found cannot I repeat understand it
It is a popular theory (which I also subscribe to) that Jack The Ripper was a Polish Jew who was locked away the Bethel Asylum after the Mary Kelly murder under the name David Cohen (the Hebrew version of John Smith or John Doe). The police hushed it up at the time due to racial tensions in London's East End. This individual, known to de violent toward women, died some 6 months later in Bethel Hospital (Bedlam) due to 3rd stage syphilis, a disease he originally contracted through a prostitute. The man's real name was Nathan Kaminsky, hence the misunderstanding with the non-violent but equally insane Aaron Kosminsky. Kaminsky worked as a boot maker on the Whitechapel Road & it was probably his apron, covered in his victim's blood. He was also under police surveillance at the time and a suspect, though at night in Whitechapel it was easy to give the police the slip. Nathan Kaminsky lived at 15 Black Lion Yard, right in the centre of where the killings took place.
That's probably one of the best quick synopsis I've read. Been studying Jack for decades. My money has been on Kosminski for years, but this about Kaminski opens things up a lot. So Kaminski does the deed, sees his apron is covered in blood, and thinking he would stand out like dogs balls as he's out and about, cuts off a portion of his own apron. He wanders off carrying the bloody apron with him, and then decides he needs to be rid of it. This dark doorway will do. Throws the remnant in and toddles off in the clear.
Does the job for me....
@@logotrikes You'd love the book by Martin Fido called 'The Crimes, Detection And Death Of Jack the Ripper'. Martin is one of the foremost historians when it comes to Jack. Have fun!
A bootmaker would carry a sharp knife.
honestly, who knows who it was. Someone at the time would have, and it was likely someone who blended in. it's just one of those mysteries that will never be solved
Good point.
Some1 knew 4 certain but kept his 👄 shut!!!
It's sad when crimes like this go unsolved. When I was a kid a little girl in our town went missing and it's been a mystery ever since. It's almost 50 years ago now. Her parents would probably be close to 80 now and it's unlikely they'll ever find out what happened to their daughter. Same with the families of the Ripper's victims They all died without knowing who was the killer.
There is always some1 who saw or know who the killer was.
People also dont want it to be solved because they make money out of the mystery.
Beautifully presented and narrated.Easy to understand and straight to the point.I don't think Jack would have left that message,he had more horrifying work to do,stalking and mutilating poor women.👍👍
Thank you Lynda, very kind of you.
I agree Linda
Unless the ripper wrote it before the double event because let's not forget that he had killed Liz stride that same night
It's why warren ordered it rubbed out.he went straight to goulston street not to Berber street or mitre square.he already had the handwriting of dear boss.warren wanted to compare the writing of the letter and the juwes' message.
He conducted his murders so quick and quietly it is almost impossible!!!
That is true.
Sometimes I think he killed them in some secret place and just dumped them onto streets
@@DirtySanchez943 In a coach.
@@pooooornopigeon most likely. Good point
Like in that movie.@@pooooornopigeon From hell.
I personally think this was not written by the ripper. If it looked faded it must have been from the unrest weeks earlier. I think it was coincidence that part of the bloody dress was found there. If you were the ripper you would not want to hang around to write a message and would it be common back then for everyone to carry chalk with them?
Good points.
An obvious solution to law enforcement’s quandary would be to nail a board over the writing after copying it down and post a couple of men to guard it until the police could replace the door and take it in as evidence. Did that really occur to no one? It must have.
That really would have drawn attention.
This idea of the graffito causing a riot or whatever was a smokescreen.
@@tomlarson5388 A smokescreen for what?...
Funny, I grew up in east London. I never felt unsafe walking around. I SHOULD HAVE, but I didn’t. I think I was so comfortable in my surroundings, I just went wherever I wanted, whenever I wanted. No way I’d do that now….no way.
I'm guessing you're under 40?
The Jack the ripper letters to the council had a difference hand writing ,than the graffiti writing on the wall. Some police officers believed the graffiti was already there, as it was a Jews majority area , and anybody could have written it .
I have always thought that the graffiti was a red herring. The apron certainly wasn't though and obviously the proximity of them have caused the two things to be connected, although I believe erroneously so. Great video - I also really enjoyed the 5 sites one too.
I am inclined to agree about the graffito, John. Pleased you enjoyed the videos.
The idea that the killer, 5 minutes walk from his latest victim's body would stop and write a message is too far fetched. He would have been desperate to leave the area. I believe the message was erased because the police realised it was old graffiti.
I agree with that point, Richard.
But it isn’t far fetched at all, as we know that it is exactly the kind of behavioural habits that killers of this sort have.
@@jobiwankenobi99 It would be interesting to know how neat the writing was and whether it was written in straight lines. Quite a feat given that the doorway might have been pitch black.
What if he wrote it before the murder? Even days before? This is one of my fave unsolved mysteries 😎 thank you 😎
@@kathi1987 He risks it getting removed if it's there very long, or reported to the police.
There could have been a completely different reason why he chose that dark doorway: he defecated. It’s not unusual at all that killers have bowel movement because of stress, excitement and relief after a murder.
My guess is he cut the piece of the apron to wipe off the blade, and his hands, and then wrapped it around the blade. However, when he had escaped and realized he gotten away with it once again, his stomach acted up on Goulston Street. To clean himself up afterwards he used the only available item he had: the piece of the apron. It was not supposed to be found, but he couldn’t really put it back in his pocket when it was soiled with feces, so discarded it there.
I’m aware of that Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown stated in the autopsy report that “some feculent matter” had smeared Eddowe’s intestines draped over her right shoulder, and that could of course very well explain the soiled cloth, but there is also a possibility that the traces of “feculent matter” on the pice of apron actually belonged to the killer. If so, we would have had a DNA-sample, had it been preserved until today.
Has anyone tried to check the names of the residents of the particular tenement in Goulston Street, at the time of Eddowes murder btw?
Wow, this makes so much sense, and I've never heard of that possibility. I'll keep it in mind from now on.
It was a lot easier to blend in and disappear into the night back then than now, street lights were virtually nonexistent or not great anyway even when lit.
It was indeed, Damian.
I think Warren was justified in what he did
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but couldn't they have rigged up a sheet of some kind to cover the graffito until it got photographed? Perhaps with a constable on duty whose main job it was to keep people from looking behind it.
Chances are that Jack was a Jew himself and not only that but a Whitechapel local. None of the back streets were lit in those days yet Jack was able to move through them very quickly. A stranger would have gotten lost and run up dead end alleys. He had to know the district in order to be able to move around with the speed that we know he did. Few Christians lived in the area back then meaning that a person with such expertise was most likely Jewish. We also know that Jack was educated and unlikely to have written using such poor grammar making the graffiti the work of someone else.
Well made points, Sav.
I believe the graffiti was a coincidence too. Surely if that was his thing, he would have wrote messages at other scenes too.
We know that Jack was educated do we?
Evidence?
Moving around without being noticed and had to know the district well enough to get around easily, Jack was very likely a police officer.
And yet BTK, a serial killer who was fairly intelligent, made numerous grammatical errors and spelling errors, and even pronunciation errors. If he could slice someone apart in near total darkness, why not write with chalk a little message for the cops who would likely find the apron piece he dropped, so he wasn't carrying evidence if he got stopped.
You can't say what the reaction against Jews would have been. Also, why do people find it so hard to believe that the person was in fact Jewish? He literally flees to a Jewish area and knew that part very will; as is pointed out at the end, the graffito could have been faded.
There had already been full scale anti-Jewish rioting, so they feared a repetition of that.
@@JackTheRipperTours Yet that should never be an excuse not to pursue genuine leads, no matter the outside fear is, in my opinion anyway.
I'm glad you're not a cop.
Ignorant comment
Brilliantly informative and thought provoking video. I'm new to your channel but thoroughly enjoy your work.
Thank you Mark. Kind of you to say so.
The clue here is there is a Masonic tie. There was no misspelling, the “Juwes” is plural for 3 men in a masonic teaching. Nobody would know that at that time unless they were a Mason or somehow familiar with the teachings. Most of the high ranking police and the doctors were masons, is that the real reason they washed it off? The apron, an important masonic symbol, part of a Freemasons garb. “Mitre Square” Mitre is a masonic tool and symbol, “a mason’s mitre”
The *Mystic tie* - Yes indeed, or the person who wrote that message had bad spelling and grammar. "Not to be blamed for nothing" - this also sounds like a riddle and makes the person who wrote this sound literate, or at least intelligent enough to correctly "Jews". Perhaps "Juwes" was intentional.
They could of given the secret hand sign of a Mason in distress... not sure what it's called
The counterfeit coins found by some of the bodies are also physical clues, surely
Couldn't agree more Paul,that's exactly what they were clues
I always like a little blood-stained apron with my fish & chips.
I am a careless and inattentive cook.
LOVE LOVE LOVE these vids! so happy i found this channel. THIS is the kind of awesomeness that youtube was meant for!
Welcome aboard!
Who was this guy? How could he walk right pass two police departments of different cities and they don't give him a second look? Amazing
I have listened to an essay that suggested that the piece of cloth found with blood and faecal matter could be an improvised sanitary product. I cannot remember which essay it was specifically as it was 1 of 25, but it can be found in the book/ audiobook 'The Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper' by Maxim Jakubowski.
Apart from the uncertainty of the author of the message. another alternative regarding the apron, - Dump the apron and then go in a
different direction.
I think that graffiti meant and was written by a person who simply states that a certain group of men will not be blamed for something they have not done!
I should go there to take a look of the famous clue that left behind by Jack.
Indeed you should Timi.
thats not true he left a lot of clues but because the police did not know about DNA or fingerprints or what a serial killer was they did not see them.
By the time that Jack had cut the apron, would it not have been just as quick to clean his knife on the Victim`s clothing at the Scene of the Murder?
I thought the same thing!
Also let's not forget that it was the night at the double event because he'd already killed Liz stride that same night I think he wrote it before he killed either woman
Blood is hard to remove from hands and objects .. it just sticks to everything. Running water is most effective. He needed more time to wipe down.
@@martinkirby3100 There's really nothing to connect the graffito with Jack, though. It might have been there awhile or Jack might be the writer. It's not easy to write a legible message on a brick wall in pitch darkness, either. Would he chance to write it when the area was well lit? We just don't know.
Serial killers often take mementos of their crimes, for whatever reason. Usually something from the victim. I think Jack murdered Catherine, then cut the apron section off to remember his "double event", then heard the policeman and hastily retreated (perhaps still messy from his work, messier than usual or preferred). From some estimates he had only killed Catherine for 4 or 5 minutes and was scared away. After getting a bit away, he probably saw an opportunity to wipe down his hands and his knife with this cloth so he didn't mistakenly get fingered as a suspect, ducked into a doorway, and may have mistakenly dropped the piece of apron when trying to put it back in his cloak or pocket. Or - he purposefully dropped it in case he was stopped and questioned, to avoid having evidence he was even at the crime scene.
He probably had a house with a basement
The double negatives in the graffiti confuse me, and so I am unable to understand it. Can someone please translate for me?
If you're going by the phrase:
"The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing"
It could be taken in a few ways:
If written using incorrect grammar it could mean;
1.They won't be blamed for anything/any act.
2. They won't be blamed for any reason.
If the grammar is taken to be correct/intentional, it could mean;
3. They won't be blamed for no reason. (i.e. They will be blamed, but for a reason)
4. They won't be blamed for having done nothing (i.e. They will not accept blame for having committed no crime)
5. They won't be blamed for something insignificant.
The phrase could be interpreted in other ways also. Added to this, there are several accounts of precisely what was written, making it impossible to accurately determine the true meaning. Confusing to be sure!
They couldn't cover it with a piece of wood?
They couldn't have covered up the message with a bit of cardboard and guarded it until daylight, then put a police cordon in place so it could be photographed privately then? These were the best minds that the police had at the time?? Really?? 🙄
It was a controversial decision, Barrie. They were very wary of more rioting.
@@JackTheRipperTours That is true. Even so I don’t think the graffiti had any connection to the case. As mentioned there were spelling errors in the graffiti and the letters supposedly written by Jack had great spelling so I doubt there was any connection.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 I think it is more indicative of the lack of real clues in the case that this is considered a lead.
Everything is so different in the UK. Those buildings look exactly as they did 150 years ago and even the graffiti is friendly.
They still have a feel about them, Alex.
They’re listed historical buildings which means they cannot be altered or even demolished without permission.
The East end of London is still a rough place, you don’t see graffiti around Westminster, Chelsea or Belgravia.
What happened to the bloody apron?
It was destroyed.
Winston Churchill was fourteen at the time. He was quite a fit lad. I am proposing to write a best seller proving that he was the real Jack the Ripper, as there is a large element currently at large who are barely literate, but like anything which is critical of Churchill.
It will be, of course, entirely unsubstantiated drivel, but that doesn't seem to have harmed things like 'The Da Vinci Code' much.
Please don't take me seriously, by the way. My money has always been on Nathan Kaminski, but I would not claim to be by any means an expert.
It's very unlikely that Jack wrote the Goulston Street graffito.
I believe the ripper knew or had accidentally come across this writing in the days beforehand, then deliberately dropped the Bloody apron in this location.
Once again lovely narration. The sudden volume spike of the music at the end always gives me a start though lol. Don't fall asleep to these videos people or you'll wake up with your heart jumping
Juwes in Masonic lore, are the 3 assassins who slew Hiram Abif. They were named Jubelo, Jubelum and Jubela and represent the Ascendant, Midheaven and Descendant position of the sun. Could someone have left a clue pointing to a Masonic connection or ritual aspect to the murders or comparing the killer to the assassins of Hiram Abif?
That is just nonsense from Knight's book and there is no evidence that the Masons ever called those murderous brothers the "Juwes". Why would they? It is just a mispelling of "Jews" and Hiram was also a Jew hence he is building the Jewish temple.
I also find it unlikely that even if true, which it isn't, Masons would write something presumably incriminating themselves and calling themselves "Juwes". What!?!
Someone with a light streak of chalk on the shoulder of their coat, or their palm or fingers?...the Catholic church Bishop there, (his hat is a 'mitre')... wife's name was MaryAnn. "In England" instead of, or as, "in English"; imo, it's an "I" not a "J". It would be "carry the blame" * ...those are cesaerean marks, but not intending a delivery. She was getting it way worse at home than anyone knew; he was setting on the kids as well--slight chance she couldn't stand the thought of bringing another victim into the world & did it to herself, by which the perp was 'set free' then went on a murder spree. It (the murder) 'says' ..."where's the baby?"
* "can't figure out your watery love"
Richard, do you know when the 'Dear Boss ' letter first appeared in the newspapers? I cannot find it anywhere. I have managed to find the ' George of the High Rip Gang' letter in contemporary press reports, but not the ' Dear Boss ' letter or ' Saucy Jacky' postcard. I am led to believe that the former of the two missives said to be written by the same hand was made public on 1 October 1888. However, i cannot find any evidence of this anywhere. I believe the ' O, we are masters of the art' letter was recieved on or around 3 October and made public via several newspapers that week.
Hi Pete. The Dear Boss letter first appeared in some newspapers on the 1st of October. A full transcript of it was published in that day's Morning Post, The Dundee Courier, The Scotsman and several other newspapers across the country on that day.
Thanks Richard
Since The Ripper only did that once he probably didn’t do it in the first place. Idk anything.
To me the chalked message makes sense. The ripper was clearly seen by Israel Schwartz and Israel was an obvious Jewish person,an Orthodox Jew. The ripper would be paranoid about being seen by a Jewish person,he shouted lipski to Schwartz as he walked past,an insult due to a murderer, Often shouted at Jews at that time, so had a poke at them to get them thinking more about Jews rather than himself,its like he's having a stab at them because he was seen by one,makes sense.
Good point Paulus.
@@JackTheRipperTours Thanks
Or he was a J and purposely misspelt the word in order to give the impression that Jack was an illiterate non-J & antisemite.
I'd almost be willing to discount the graffiti as coincidental. If this was a mostly Jewish area and there had been antisemitism recently, you would have expected someone would have wiped off the message earlier. That's the only reason I can think that I can't completely discount this as a clue.
How do we know that anti-Semetic message was left by The Ripper? It seems to have nothing to do with the victims, who were all prostitutes. And would Jack take the time to scrawl such a message on the wall while he was running from the scene?
Good points Frank.
I think he did. Zodiac did the same thing.
It was spelt " Juwes " which is a Masonic term.
Maybe there was a Victorian John humble around at the time ?
The word juwes looks to have been spelt phonetically.
Suggesting a person of little education.
Or maybe someone trying to hide their own Higher education by misspelling words.
Or maybe just an antisemetic trouble maker
Plenty of those around
Even today.
I agree. Another red herring, like the hoax letters. By the time the apron turned up, Tumbelty was back in his lodging house cleaning up.
Some suspects like Charles Cross, aka, Lechmere, seem almost surefire with the evidence, but went on living for another few decades, and it's almost impossible to believe that any psycho who'd taunt the police as the serial killer did, which included mailing in a human kidney, would stop committing crimes and just go on living a normal life. I think the guy either died or was jailed for another crime without the authorities knowing for sure that he was Jack. No one that psychotic just stops being psychotic. It probably was a carman like Cross working the routes late night/early mornings, as there were quite a few of them. Maybe one dying of syphilis.
Great theories, Rob.
Lechmere is the perfect suspect he physically passed every murder site on his way to work and from work his mom lived around the corner from one of the murders,
Good fun video. Neat pacing too.
Thanks! 👍
Very well done. Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Where's the apron now. Wouldn't be surprised if the walrus had it burned.
Long ago destroyed.
I wounder if the police ever looked through the names of all the residents living in the area to see if any were doctor's etc especially after knowing after other kills that the killer knew what he was doing
I thought of that too. Or an occupation which required a sharp knife . Everyone thinks of a doctor or a butcher, but didn't cobblers Shoe and boot makers have sharp knives? Leather workers, belt and saddle makers have sharp knives? Also many men may have carried knives because it was such a dangerous area.
Chances are The Ripper was a butcher himself since there were many jobs for butchers in the area. My thought is that a detective/investigator from Sweden has the best logical reasoning for who the Ripper was. A must see podcast! Makes perfect sense to me.
What happened to the piece of Apron ?, would be interesting to dna test it today.
It was destroyed.
@@JackTheRipperTours who made THAT call?
I have little faith in the police of that time that even an idiot would know that's important piece of evidence.
Makes me think the police were nothing but glorified security guards
Stupidest action ever
Did the ripper live in or near the building, cleaning up before entering? Why would he get rid if the apron he used to carry the kidney unless he had reached his destination?
He stopped cleaned up a bit and carried on his 10 minute walk to his house at 22 Doveton street.
That neighborhood/city seems /o have a horrible problem with graffiti. It's everywhere in multiple pics I've seen of this area.
It’s not the only clue he left a tobacco pipe in Mary Kelly’s room....
Brilliant analysis and commentary, again brilliant, educational and thoughtful 👌
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@@JackTheRipperTours I left a comment yesterday. I've read the great comments that were left by the sleuths. As far as I know, a photograph was taken of the statement on the wall. Night photography was developed in 1887 by Adolph Miethe. It was a magnesium compound at a high shutter speed. Widely used by police and journalists for night photography. Chalk was also carried by Bobbies and Constables on Patrol (COPS) to identify potential evidence at any crime scene. Before a doctor was called out. Potential evidence that the Bobbie might have thought would be destroyed or moved before Scottland Yard investigation could arrive at the seen. Not pointing any fingers. So, yes, a photo was taken of the graffiti written in the hallway. It is available if you dig. That's all I have for now on my comment.
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Den Perry did it!
I doubt the graffiti was put there by the Ripper as his letter to the police - where he signed himself "Jack the Ripper" - was in perfect English and very good penmanship.
Unless he had an accomplice...
Good point, John.
and how difficult would it have been to ask the people that use that staircase every day if there was a chalked message on the wall prior to that night. The pice must surely have done that
Jack was very upper class and wealthy. There is no doubt to his identity. He was also a Nonce.
@@FantasyVisuals Not quite sure how you are using the word "nonce;" it has multiple meanings....are you using it as a British perjorative?
That letter was a fake.
Daylight was not required to photograph the message. Flash photography was in use at the time.
JTR wanted people to know it was him who wrote the graffiti..That's why he left the piece of bloody apron
Unlikely... Probably just coincidence as they say.
Or he saw the graffiti on his way there, or earlier in the day, and ditched the cloth there. I think JTR was more evil than mad. Holding onto evidence that can link you to a murder for 5 minutes while you walk to a particular spot ? If he did write it, he could even have done so on on the way there.
The graffiti, I can take it or leave it. I feel like it was already there and of little importance. When a sensational murder took place near it, that made it noteworthy regardless.
The apron piece is interesting though. I think it was deliberate misdirection. There were any number of places it could've been hid & never found. He wanted it to be found, wanted people to think that was his direction home.
They couldn't have covered it up with a blanket? Nailed it to the wall or something?
I thought that surely the could have just covered it with something temporarily and limited those to residents who had to use that entrance
Was not on his way home when he murdered...he was on his way to work delivering meats and organs from the butchers...blood stained apron and all
Did you watch the new documenter with the picture of him at the end because I did and it made a lot of sense
@@adytowe7969 Which documentary would that be?
@@RosesandLace
You know... the... documentary.
I'm still not convinced that the graffiti is from Jack. It could have been there all night and Jack killed his victim out of convenience.
Good point, Thomas.
If they had photographed the message....we could be comparing it to letters to this day....Horrible mistake to wipe that away.....And pathetic that the spelling differed according to different officers.
A later suspect named Hyam Hyams had connections to Wentworth Model buildings, think his mother or some other relative lived there. The apron I,m convinced was dropped by theRipper but the graffito definitely not in my thinking.Great video.
If the murderer was trying to escape the area as quickly as possible, why would he take the time to carefully write graffito on a wall? Especially if the wall was in a dark, unlighted spot.
He was a narcissist and egomaniac. He was playing with the cops. That's why he did it.
He had to take a dump.
Exactly! It was not written by Jack the Ripper.
As someone else has stated after killing eddowes and mutilating her he ran off, but on his way he had to take a massive dump in a doorway. He took the time whilst crapping immensely to chalk some nonsense on a wall before wiping his ass and knife on eddowes' piece of cloth.
I've often wondered about the chalk used for the message, was it something lying around and the killer just thought he'd create a bit of mischief with it. Or did he have it on him, and why?
Is the graffito even linked to the apron or just a random anti Semitic scrawl (in an ostensibly Jewish neighbourhood there must have been a lot of it)
I actually agree with the Met's assessment regarding the graffito - there were probably more than enough meatheads ready to kick off at the slightest provocation, so erasing it was probably the lesser of evils.
It may be that the killer wanted to distract Police attention, by taking a gamble and heading east to drop off a 'clue' before returning west (why were there no other attempts to cut off items of clothing to clean the knives?)
I think it was already there.
"...and the killer thought he'd create a bit of mischief with it" - I'm not sure I would ever consider anything Jack the Ripper did or potentially did as "a bit of mischief". lol! Children are known to dabble in mischief. A serial killer, whose crimes grew more and more gruesome with each victim, is more prone to extreme violence.
He was, a member of the royal family and not the artist Walter Sickertt as what's her face claims.
Thanks for the info, Dennis.
I don't know who left the writing, but I do know that it rained in torrents on the night of the double event. I'm kinda thinking that if it had been there earlier it may have been washed away by the rain. Also it was an antisemitic message left on a Jewish boarding house. If it had been written earlier then why didn't the Jews living in the building wipe it off? Also the fact that the only clue left by the killer away from the murder scene could have been a signal to get the investigators to read his message. If the killer left nothing there, then the message on the wall would never have been connected to him. But there is no way to prove any of this. I don't know what happened, or who the killer was, but I don't believe anyone else truly does either. I've read the books, watched the documentaries like anyone else, but I don't believe in any of the suspects that have been put forward.
Good points, Sean.
@@JackTheRipperTours great video by the way 😁👍
Have they ever tried to retrieve DNA from this item?
It was destroyed a long time ago, so no.
@@JackTheRipperTours Thanks for the reply did not no it was destroyed.
@@JackTheRipperTours Whyyyyyyyyyy?
I dont understand the logic of saying the graffito was there before. If it was so important to quickly remove it after the murder, then it would have been removed well before.
Another great and informative video
Thank you Christina. Pleased that you enjoyed it.
Aaron Kominski
The goulston street graffiti reads the men of Lurves...not juwes.. it means the men with the the sick obsessed stalker love... most likely unfaithful husband in every single murder. Murder for inheritance and jealousy. A frantic crazy love...Lurf... we just don’t use word anymore
*graffito
I love your channel & the videos you do. Fantastic work which I really enjoy. Thank you.
Thank you very much!
Close to home, so close, the apron he was using, with the bits n pieces in it, was able 2 be abandoned,
I thoroughly enjoy your videos Richard!
Wasn’t DNA taken from the piece of apron recently and connected to Aaron Kosminski?
Pleased you enjoy the videos Alfredo. The DNA was taken from what was supposed to me Catherine Eddowes shawl, not the apron that was found in Goulston Street.
@@JackTheRipperTours oh ok, has there been any DNA connecting Konsminski?
@@alfredocosio536 the DNA test on a shawl said to be owned by catherine eddowes matched dna given by a relative of kominski. The problem is The tests were not reliable and no ripperolgist believes the results. The shawl was also never listed in the victims belongings after the murder. It would be nice to know the identity of the ripper but the dna testing didn't reveal any truth sadly
@@alfredocosio536 No there hasn't. Also, any DNA investigations into JTR are flawed because of the passage of a century and the unknown number of hands that have come into contact with them.
Like most of Jack's exploits, there are some puzzling inconsistencies here! By the way, I've only just found your channel, but I do enjoy the JTR videos! So:
In heading to Goulston St from Mitre Sq, Jack was heading back towards the place where he'd murdered Liz Stride in Whitechapel earlier that morning - why would he do that?
Surely the graffito would have been noticed by the residents of the 10 or so flats as they came and went through the passageway if it had been there before that night? Why weren't they asked?
Wouldn't the Jewish families living in the Wentworth Dwellings have erased the graffito themselves if they'd seen it before the night of the 'double event'?
Halse said that he hadn't seen the apron fragment 30 mins before when he passed by on his beat. He and Long both said that it was inside the passage to the staircase, not at the doorway.
Warren contradicted this in his Nov 6th statement that the the cloth and writing were clearly visible to anybody in the street.
Why was Warren even in Goulston St at 5am - the Eddowes murder wasn't on his patch, so why was he in Goulston St and not Berners St?
Why would Jack leave the apron part anywhere - why didn't he take it home with him and dispose of it later? As in the video, it's the only tangible clue he ever left, so why would he be so 'careless'' just this once?
My own opinion is that Jack was quite smart, so leaving the apron fragment next to the graffito tied him to the words. There isn't much concrete evidence that he didn't write the graffito himself. If he didn't, then how did he choose a random doorway to drop off a bloodstained bit of cloth that just so happened to have some anti-semetic writing on the wall above it?
Also, in defence of the poor victims, it's possible that they weren't all prostitutes. It was a different time back then and lots of people lived on the streets and maybe did things to get a bed for the night. Only one of the 'canonical' five was murdered indoors and I don't think there's any evidence that he had sex with any of them?
There are certainly, inconsistences, Peter. Goulston Street was in Metropolitan Police territory, albeit the clue, i.e. the apron pertained to a City of London Police investigation. However, the graffito was Metropolitan Police territory and investigation, which is why the disagreement between the two over what should be done with it. Warren turned up and overruled the City Police objections and ordered its erasure before it could be photographed.
@@JackTheRipperTours I know it was 1888, but Warren thought it important enough to destroy potential evidence? Even if the graffito was visible from the street (as Warren lied about), why couldn't it have been covered up and photographed or transcribed accurately later?
Whilst there was definitely no evidence of sexual activity with the victims, all of the canonical five had been known locally as having engaged in prostitution at one time or another.
Goulston Street was approx 6 minute walk away from Mitre Square in a North Easterly direction, whereas Dutfields Yard was about 15 minutes east and on the opposite side of Whitechapel Road. If the ripper had continued north east towards Brick Lane and not far from Hanbury street. If, on the other hand, if he had changed direction a little he could have travelled up Goulston Street, continuing along Bell Lane and into the rookeries in and around Dorset Street, where police went only in groups and white great caution.
Modern criminologists, specialising in geographical profiling, have found that serial killers tend to live either on the outskirts of their hunting ground, or else in the middle of it. Either would support the possibility that, assuming he continued from Goulston Street roughly in the same direction as he was already travelling, he would end up right in the middle or easterly outskirts of his killing zone, suggesting he may have been travelling home. The further he travelled on this trajectory, the further he would be getting from Berner Street.
Either way, I’ve always suspected that he may have lived in one of the many side-streets north of Whitechapel High Street and south of the railway line. But I suspect we’ll never really know.
@@GrilloTheFlightless It’s also interesting that George Yard, where Martha Tabram was murdered, was just a short distance along Wentworth Street. Coincidence perhaps, but if we accept Tabram’s murder as the work of Jack then it falls squarely within his territory. To my mind it’s always been Berner Street that was the outlier. Perhaps Liz stride wasn’t one of his victims after all, but Martha was?
I don’t know if it’s still the same today, but the times I’ve visited the scene in the past, the building opposite has exactly the same stairwell entrances and one was still open so could be viewed. I believe it would have provided adequate cover, to allow the killer to scrawl the message, perhaps to deliberately throw suspicion onto the Jews? It’s also a narrow opening so police could easily have blocked it off until it until the graffito could be photographed. A single policeman standing in the entrance would have been sufficient to prevent the public gaining access to see the evidence. To my mind Charles Warren’s actions have always been suspicious. Was he negligent, panicked, or even complicit in covering up evidence?
@@TheWinterwraith Have you read the Robinson book? His suspect had some connections to Toynbee Hall (right next to George Yard - now Gunthorpe St) which is right in the middle of the canonical five (and other) murders. Dutfield's Yard was less than half a mile away. The Goulston St site was 260 yds away. The outlier then would have been Mary Ann Nichols (Jack's first victim?) in Bucks Row (now Durward St) - about half a mile away.
The book is a bit different from the 'traditional' view of the policing and the suspects, but it seems well researched and is a good read. The trouble is that Jack's identity will never be known, so who knows...
Why did the piece of apron have feces on it? The blood I can understand.
As a hunter who has had to eviscerate a kill, one bad cut will get you feces. You learn not to do that but I've only had to do it in the daylight with time on my side.