In these stories it's common for the doctor in the story to say something like, "You shouldn't be here. You should be dead, or a vegetable". I wonder how many times doctors really say these things. I think people exaggerate to feel more important. Doctors don't talk that way.
216trixie Doctors do say such things and they say it all the time. However, that does not mean that, because they escaped a far worse fate, that some god intervened. There are many times when doctors don't have a reason why someone survived an accident or incident. It's an argument from ignorance. Because doctors... or maybe THOSE particular doctors... that attended to you did not have an answer, does not mean there isn't one.
Came here to post about this. If doctors are saying this shit, they gotta cut it out. People really do misinterpret that. I don’t believe most doctors saying that mean it literally, probably more that they see their patient as pretty lucky. But not in a truly supernatural way. Besides any religious ones who do mean it, of course. Reminds me of the guy who called into Talk Heathen thinking the atheist hosts believed in universal vibration woo because of a sarcastic quip earlier in the show. People who aren’t skeptical will take what a doctor says and run with it if it suits their preferred reality. You know, one where the hand of God reached out just in time to protect his brain from getting completely splattered.
Its similar to when doctors say something like your newborn won't live to be 6 years old and then they end up being 50. That strength/will-to-live/defy the doctors becomes their mantra. How can doctors predict the future of medicine, if they, in fact, are saying these things?
I always find it interesting that God gets credit for healing, but he didn't get credit for the gravity, levitating him over the cone, or making his skull so fragile. God gets credit for healing cancer, but never gets credit for creating it....
Sometimes (rarely) I wish I had the unabashed confidence that religious/spiritual people have. He's so ready to just give a confident answer and doesn't care whether or not if he's mistaken. In a world where the answers to the most challenging questions are given with such unwarranted certainty, Reid and SE are like a refreshing glass of measured rationailty. Thanks for what you do.
well if you have had it confirmed the lord of the universe is right there beside you, saving you from harm and performing miracles for you, it's tempting.
You can see he felt stupid at the end, because he said the non sequitur. "because I don’t care what anyone thinks" as a defence of believing 100% in god after admitting he has no ’exact’ reason for believing in it. It meant, ‘saying 100% after this talk, makes me look silly, but I will persist despite that’.
Yes, I caught that too. While at that time he may have felt a bit stupid, before it seemed to me that he was hoping to get away with it. Check out 8:14. His smile grows bigger when he is blatantly contradicting himself. That's duper's delight.
Demonstrates the need for the emphasizing the importance of science, epistemology, and sound reasoning. Like a walking set of logical fallacies right here. SE keeps you calm!
Uggh, just so much wrong with his reasoning. Far, far too much to address in a comment section. But I'll just ask, if God needed to send you a message, could he have done it without nearly paralyzing you? Maybe he could have inspired you to NOT skateboard through traffic, and instead go straight to your art career. Just a thought...
Yeah God seems to only be able to send messages by killing people and bringing them back or nearly killing them or permanently disabling them or nearly permanently disabling them. God is a bit of a dick
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Right and their reasoning is that god HAS to do it this way to get their attention. Otherwise, they wouldn't get the message. His ways are not our ways and blah blah blah...
As ever a great video, personally I think for most people, childhood indoctrination into their religion is a key part to people believing these claims with no good evidence.
Great talk! The end was the best. I think he got the idea that he cannot know he’s wrong if he was. I hope there’s a part of him that does care if his belief is mistaken, so he could use the tools he was just given to come to a more reasonable conclusion.
Good quote! One is simply honest, while the other is simply deceptive. I believe Christian was deceptive up to a point. Check 8:14. See how his smile grows bigger as he blatantly contradicts himself? That's duper's delight.
Christians says his belief system, his spirituality does not make him more comfortable, does not give him value and does not give him purpose. Sooo what is it for? What use is it?
You can see the cognitive dissonance resonating in his own mind as he speaks more and more about his position in this interview. Often reaching for rationality and reasoning and jumping to different topics to “resolve” his own dissonance. Interesting to see here. Thanks for the interview and letting us see!
Basically its always the same answer: I don't care if it's true. It's my personal belief and my personal truth. And I don't care what anyone else thinks about what I believe and what is true...
This is one of the more interesting people on your channel. The way he comes up with conclusions isnt very scientific, but I respect him for realizing that. He clearly doesnt care about the truth, which I find hard to relate to, but it led to an interesting conversation.
It seems like, he doesn't want to change his mind in front of someone else I think, he might be seeing that all he wanted was that always there bigger bro watching for him, because he was taught to. He might be fading away from that finding alternative answers, but doesn't have a decent method to do so, (yet?).
This is a typical example for me where I am totally unable to react in a kind or understanding way. It's a case of making up an entire family of make-belief concepts simply to find some sort of explanation for an accident you can't immediately understand. But if that's what it takes to get you through the day, be my guest because I don't see any negative consequences for others here.
@@dericanslum1696 Yeah, I hear that a lot - and it doesn't make much sense. Sure, you can construct an example, but in my eyes it's not enough to generalise it.
@@StopSpammingOriginal ...would he vote to restrict the rights of others...?...that alone is enough to work to help correct this type of dangerous and ignorant thinking...
The physician or nurse probably intended to convey that his sort of accident has a very low probability of survival. He heard: it's a _miracle_ he survived. But why did he need to get injured at all? Are the other people who suffer worse injuries loved less by God? Why do I imagine this guy would ever seriously entertain such questions?
One if your best discussions. And that's saying something because you put up good..no GREAT content. EDIT: after a second viewing I had some thoughts 1. Great rapport building 2. Excellent Motivational intervewing 3. Powerful interrogative Socratic method/questions 4. Great hybrid use of the OTF 5. Simple discussion on the complicate 'what is truth' 6. Defeasibility test You did everything by the 'book' (if there even is a book or correct way of SE). Civility and compassion seemed foundational for this talk yet the IL STILL had a 'little' push back. Very very small 'hint' of a defensive posture or backfire effect. I think the ILs combonation of traumatic past experiences (veteran, terrible accident) really put the IL in a position of WANTING their belief to be true because it helps them cope with the possible PTSD? I am certianly no expert on the efdects of traumatic events and their possible effect on beliefs but that is what I think I understand from this...but I could be 180° wrong. I also think the ILs defensive posture surfaced from possible cognitive dissonance when the ILs was asked questions that they realized created a conflict within their belief. That certian things the IL said did not seem to make sense, not well thought out until you pushed them externally to look at their reasoning internally. To say it out loud and critique it by himself, for himself. The IL appeared like a really smart and caring person...I am not so bright so compared to me he was very sharp.... hahahah. We could almost see an inner conflict develop during this wonderful conversation. I really think this was one of your best - if not THE best - conversations to date. From the friendly beginning to the well timed ending the 30min flew FAST. I HOPE you both get to do this again.
I hope this answer is not too harsh. I literally understood every word he said and every idea he mentioned. But I think his ideas were almost entirely non-sensical. Yet, he rarely stopped to ponder his responses before answering questions. I am completely baffled how he could give such long and detailed responses to questions that should bring a person to a reasonable answer, and still be so wildly irrational. Its as if he has spent a lot of time thinking gobbledygook to answer questions about god, spirituality, etc. Is it because he was trying to provide too much information for a simple question?
He felt put on the spot and was trying to save face by forcing an answer. Oftentimes people start talking before they even know what they're going to say. It works, because oftentimes something semi coherent comes out. Even computers can do that using markov chain text generators. Since other people are not always the sharpest cookies they get away with it and a bad behavior is reinforced.
Associating life experience and events to "god" or some other force is the definition of confirmation bias. We, as humans, are very good at associating things with patterns. We are pattern seeking creatures. We also do not like knowing that there is no cause for anything. If everything is random, then our life may not be as meaningful as we might consider.
Hey , hope you're good. I've been following the channel for awhile. Love it. I feel there are steps, and correct me if wrong, to keep the topic on point when talking to your interviewees. Some people I feel see the opportunity to talk as a way to get on a soap box and advertise claim after claim. There should be a way to make sure they are doing more reflecting quicker than allowing them to steamroll with assertions. Idk the process before the camera rolls but maybe set up some more guidelines to steer the conversation for them into a more reflective state that way you can get more questions in. All the best.
I'd like to ask Christian, "Say I kept my experiment to request a sign from the god just to myself and I ask the god for a sign. A dove lands in front of me shortly after I make my request. How could I tell the difference between the god sending that dove as a sign of the god's existence and the dove landing in front of me just by chance?" "How can I distinguish the two?" "If there is a way, is that way of distinguishing between the two reliable?" "How could we discover its reliability without first being able to figure out if the god exists or not? Said in a different way, how can we figure out which bus route will reliably get us to a specific city and which won't get us to that specific city if we cannot be sure ahead of time that that city actually exists first?"
1. It’s a shame that critical thinking is not taught in schools. 2. Doctors should be more careful in what they say to patients. 3. The damaged brain leads in many cases to an altered person. The younger you are the more plasticity you bran has to adapt to injury with limitations. I think this is what he is describing. He’s a changed person. 4. Confirmation Bias is how many people come to believe in Gods. The test, test and test and if the results finally turn out as hoped they assume that god came up trumps and delivered. It’s neither evidence or proof of a god it’s just muddled thinking and false agency attribution. 5. If you are doxastically closed, nothing will change your mind. 6. Finding a pebble to put in some peoples shoe is sometimes difficult and it’s not always immediately obvious that you have. This conversation might be played over in his head many times and he might then come to realise that his god may not be based on sound thinking or empirical evidence. Reed, Nice interview. Must have been frustrating but I saw no sense of the just patience and open ended questions. 👍
How does he know it was god and not a genie or a witch or a warlock or leprechauns or big foot or aliens or the chupacabra or Hercules or a magic troll residing in his neighbors attic?
Christian’s belief gives him a sense of certainty, safety and control in a clearly dangerous world. The lack of a way to learn whether his belief is true is actually the point. For him, the circularity of his belief is his ironclad guarantee of certainty. It’s why it doesn’t matter if it’s true. Given these values, believers like Christian may be attracted towards gaining even greater certainty through questions that explore this possibility. It starts with seeing the value of truth. “Is everything that you currently believe to be true, actually true? How does knowing true things help us to safely navigate the real world? If you discovered that you happened to misconstrue something you thought was true, would you revise your opinion about it?”
This conversation confused me. On the one hand, Christian seems like an intelligent, open-minded person who has clearly researched, and read, a lot about many different topics, and thought about our world and the human condition. (I was particularly impressed with his knowledge of "Acquired Savant" Syndrome, which is pretty rare, and not many people know about. But then again, he experienced it!) On the other hand, he seems to have part of his mind as this hazy, circular-thinking that allows him to avoid really focusing on the foundations of his belief, namely, HOW can we demonstrate if something is actually true? I would like to see repeated conversations with Christian to see whether we could make more progress with him. Of course, he could be completely closed-off, but his personality seemed friendly enough that it might warrant a further conversation or two.
@ Actually, when I read Native American stories about how everything came into existence, they make much more sense than the bible. The concept of god is a theological matter. NOwhere in this reality I see anything that I can consider god. Not mentioning my religious background does not have Abrahamic view about god. Eternal life is another theological discussion. I live for the present, and I am content with not knowing about my afterlife. It's a mystery. If you already the answer, good for you. I cannot make myself believe in something that does not make sense to me.
@ But that is the thing about Christians. They always claim about "the truth" that does not make sense to me. I am not even an atheist. I don't demand empirical evidence. However, I cannot make myself in something that is completely foreign to me. Do you know what valhalla is and how to get in? If you are not used to Nordic concept of valhalla, it will be ridiculous to demand you to believe in valhalla and worship Odin. Same thing with your god. I don't have those concepts in me. I cannot make myself believe just because of the fear I would not live forever.
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@@khanhminhnguyen7274 --- If someone spoke to you concerning nuclear physics and it did "not make sense" to you, would that make nuclear physics not true?
Doctors say "you should be dead" usually to make u feel like u r lucky and somehow escaped a bad situation. This ends up proving gods exist to the person
Idea: How about using the TicTac question to first calibrate your sliding scale, so you know at the outset what "100" means to the interviewee, then by analogy will they always score a faith more, less or the same as a testable (100) question on odd/eveness. The meaning of certainty and testability seems lost in this conversation despite having the tactic prop.
Hello ! The difficulty is that our Creator does not manifest itself in an obvious and indisputable way. He remains silent. But that does not mean he will never do it. The scriptures explain that it manifested itself in the past. Only, there remains only a written testimony that everyone can question. The best solution is to wait. The scriptures indicate that when the time comes, he will take back complete control of the Earth. And all erroneous beliefs will fade when that day comes up. // Greeting from France. ( Translated from French with Google translation ).
OK, first off I am only a few seconds in but......if we didn’t have several centuries worth of religious inculcation and a belief in a deity wasn’t actually a ‘thing’ just how many of the people who get involved in these life-threatening incidents would see fit to invent such an entity as the reason for their survival? My guess is that a few actually would (the others would just consider themselves lucky!) and this in itself should tell you much about how religious thinking came about.
16:10 Probably the most dangerous part of the convo. He's so quick to connect a god to receiving the $5 but he doesn't think to ask how the two can be connected. Seems like a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy to me.
I really wish he would have followed up with what he thinks Atheists “believe.” The more I hear theist explain what they think atheism is, the more convinced I am that they don’t know what atheism is.
I think an important distinction in today's age is how atheism and agnosticism are debated to be the default stance without any faith. Logically, you'd say, "hmm, well these are unknowns that are inaccessible, so surely agnosticism is the default position. It's equally likely that these invisible, intangible beings exist, compared to naturalism, right?" That stance is credible... Thousands of years ago. Today, we know about the brain. This has a conclusive impact on our logic. If we understand that the only sentient beings in the universe seem to be confined to a brain, there is no reason to believe otherwise. We have a clear indication that our bodies aren't just controlled by our "spirit" but by our mechanistic brain, as science indicates. Therefore, we have a clear arrow pointing towards a very complex machine, but not a spirit. Therefore, the likelyhood of metaphysics drops.
11:55 I don’t have the thought, in the back of my mind or anywhere else, that there must be something more The the physical reality I can perceive. When I was younger I wanted to believe that, but I never found any convincing evidence, so I stopped wasting time searching for it. Much happier now 😁
dogless10 there certainly are things none of us can perceive yet per say, whether due to the limitation of modern science or our geographic constrictions and relatively primitive ability to explore space, but one would be hard pressed to convince me that any of those things yet unseen are of a “supernatural” essence.
he wasn't doing too badly until he came over all sean carroll richard dawkins on us: "I don't believe I believe civilization evolution would continue on further than most civilizations have ever made it pass but I also believe it's a cycle to see how far each civilization makes it to as far as even how societies are built and learned because even back then the stuff that they knew now would they were way more advanced than what we are now on the knowledge they knew on how they did cosmic time and all that in like when it comes to ancient history" er, eh?
I cannot relate to his line of thinking. He, now, bases his whole outlook and meaning of life on knowing there is a god but can’t defend it. Towards the latter half of the conversation, he kept chuckling nervously. I’m thinking that he may have begun to realize that his beliefs aren’t solid.
I really get tired of all these unchallenged claims that "the doctor said I should be dead, a vegetable, paralyzed, etc". I'm sure most doctors are just using polite bedside manners to tell the patients that their condition could have been much worse, and you were an idiot to skateboard through an intersection. If doctors really witnessed and documented a patient that survived an injury/disease that should have killed them, submit your findings to JAMA and collect your Nobel prize for medicine.
What was the goal of the conversation? The conversation showed how asking questions can lead to a deeper conversation. But I hoped the questioner was going to go somewhere with the conversation. I don’t see the point.
The point, as I understand it, is not to impose the view of the interviewer on the other person. It's not a debate. It's to reveal the flawed logic through insightful questions.
@@ProtestantismLeftBehind presumably, yes. If you impose your view, you're leading their thought process in potentially a different direction. The process is to draw them toward further investigation and to question their assumptions (if needed). I suppose providing resources or answering questions honestly might be an option. However generally providing "facts" will draw the conversation from their core beliefs, which is what you're trying to ascertain before delving into sharing of information. Also, you can experience strong resistance if you attempt to counter their arguments.
@@jmora6529 Can a person’s epistemology, philosophy, worldview, or lack of knowledge cause the interviewer to begin from a slanted position? Even lead to improper conclusions about the person being interviewed who maintains a different epistemology, philosophy, worldview, and more? Logic alone still operates with these frameworks.
I think this guy was too high to hold a substantive conversation. He was making little sense and couldn’t grasp your hypotheticals that were trying to probe how he could determine if he’s mistaken. It’s all about the “feel good” even if it ties you in knots.
I truly hope Christian finds this video and watches it. “I’m 100% confident. There’s no way to be totally sure. I’m 100% confident.” If you have to define “100%” for your ILs were all wasting our time. Towards the end, Christian said “you can ask 100 different people and get 100 different answers...” I was hoping you would have brought the TicTacs back into the conversation by asking what 100 different answers they would have for the case of TicTacs. You still did a great job Reid. Your patience is amazing. I would have got up and walked away. 😂
It seemed as if 'christian' did not understand many of your questions. And contrary to what he said, I do not think that he cares about truth. Katalyzt
Christian, I’m glad you survived your accident, but doctors saved you, not God. If God would have saved you, you wouldn’t have needed to go to the hospital.
In these stories it's common for the doctor in the story to say something like, "You shouldn't be here. You should be dead, or a vegetable". I wonder how many times doctors really say these things. I think people exaggerate to feel more important. Doctors don't talk that way.
216trixie Doctors do say such things and they say it all the time. However, that does not mean that, because they escaped a far worse fate, that some god intervened. There are many times when doctors don't have a reason why someone survived an accident or incident. It's an argument from ignorance. Because doctors... or maybe THOSE particular doctors... that attended to you did not have an answer, does not mean there isn't one.
Came here to post about this. If doctors are saying this shit, they gotta cut it out. People really do misinterpret that. I don’t believe most doctors saying that mean it literally, probably more that they see their patient as pretty lucky. But not in a truly supernatural way. Besides any religious ones who do mean it, of course.
Reminds me of the guy who called into Talk Heathen thinking the atheist hosts believed in universal vibration woo because of a sarcastic quip earlier in the show.
People who aren’t skeptical will take what a doctor says and run with it if it suits their preferred reality. You know, one where the hand of God reached out just in time to protect his brain from getting completely splattered.
Its similar to when doctors say something like your newborn won't live to be 6 years old and then they end up being 50. That strength/will-to-live/defy the doctors becomes their mantra.
How can doctors predict the future of medicine, if they, in fact, are saying these things?
I always find it interesting that God gets credit for healing, but he didn't get credit for the gravity, levitating him over the cone, or making his skull so fragile.
God gets credit for healing cancer, but never gets credit for creating it....
Yup, the old "everything that's evil is YOUR fault".
@@rakvian can you give an example where it is not human's fault ?
@@srkbhayo what? Maybe, hmmm, everything?
Gravity levitating him over the cone?🤔
yep, "you are worthy of saving, but fk it, i'm not preventing any accidents"
Sometimes (rarely) I wish I had the unabashed confidence that religious/spiritual people have. He's so ready to just give a confident answer and doesn't care whether or not if he's mistaken. In a world where the answers to the most challenging questions are given with such unwarranted certainty, Reid and SE are like a refreshing glass of measured rationailty. Thanks for what you do.
well if you have had it confirmed the lord of the universe is right there beside you, saving you from harm and performing miracles for you, it's tempting.
He's talking a lot but I don't hear him saying anything. Nearly everything he said was simply "wishful thinking".
You can see he felt stupid at the end, because he said the non sequitur. "because I don’t care what anyone thinks" as a defence of believing 100% in god after admitting he has no ’exact’ reason for believing in it. It meant, ‘saying 100% after this talk, makes me look silly, but I will persist despite that’.
Yes, I caught that too. While at that time he may have felt a bit stupid, before it seemed to me that he was hoping to get away with it. Check out 8:14. His smile grows bigger when he is blatantly contradicting himself. That's duper's delight.
Demonstrates the need for the emphasizing the importance of science, epistemology, and sound reasoning. Like a walking set of logical fallacies right here. SE keeps you calm!
Uggh, just so much wrong with his reasoning. Far, far too much to address in a comment section. But I'll just ask, if God needed to send you a message, could he have done it without nearly paralyzing you? Maybe he could have inspired you to NOT skateboard through traffic, and instead go straight to your art career. Just a thought...
Yeah God seems to only be able to send messages by killing people and bringing them back or nearly killing them or permanently disabling them or nearly permanently disabling them.
God is a bit of a dick
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Right and their reasoning is that god HAS to do it this way to get their attention. Otherwise, they wouldn't get the message. His ways are not our ways and blah blah blah...
As ever a great video, personally I think for most people, childhood indoctrination into their religion is a key part to people believing these claims with no good evidence.
Great talk! The end was the best. I think he got the idea that he cannot know he’s wrong if he was. I hope there’s a part of him that does care if his belief is mistaken, so he could use the tools he was just given to come to a more reasonable conclusion.
“To know that you do not know is the best. To pretend to know when you do not know is the disease.”
Lao Tzu--6th-4th century BC
Good quote! One is simply honest, while the other is simply deceptive. I believe Christian was deceptive up to a point. Check 8:14. See how his smile grows bigger as he blatantly contradicts himself? That's duper's delight.
Apparently, the most important part of a conversation in our society is to produce words, not meaning or sense.
ncooty which is why the word “Faith0 exists lmao
Christians says his belief system, his spirituality does not make him more comfortable, does not give him value and does not give him purpose. Sooo what is it for? What use is it?
Eric Mishima I thought the exact same thing. What then?
You can see the cognitive dissonance resonating in his own mind as he speaks more and more about his position in this interview.
Often reaching for rationality and reasoning and jumping to different topics to “resolve” his own dissonance.
Interesting to see here. Thanks for the interview and letting us see!
Basically its always the same answer:
I don't care if it's true. It's my personal belief and my personal truth. And I don't care what anyone else thinks about what I believe and what is true...
This is one of the more interesting people on your channel. The way he comes up with conclusions isnt very scientific, but I respect him for realizing that. He clearly doesnt care about the truth, which I find hard to relate to, but it led to an interesting conversation.
It seems like, he doesn't want to change his mind in front of someone else I think, he might be seeing that all he wanted was that always there bigger bro watching for him, because he was taught to. He might be fading away from that finding alternative answers, but doesn't have a decent method to do so, (yet?).
You put a lot of effort into that conversation. I do hope that Christian reflects on it and realizes his confidence level should be changed.
he doesn't look like he has the ability to reflect (no pun).
he mentioned the brain damage in the beginning, i think you missed that.
This is a typical example for me where I am totally unable to react in a kind or understanding way.
It's a case of making up an entire family of make-belief concepts simply to find some sort of explanation for an accident you can't immediately understand. But if that's what it takes to get you through the day, be my guest because I don't see any negative consequences for others here.
...because beliefs inform actions and actions have consequences for yourself and others you share the world with...
@@dericanslum1696 Yeah, I hear that a lot - and it doesn't make much sense. Sure, you can construct an example, but in my eyes it's not enough to generalise it.
@@StopSpammingOriginal ...would he vote to restrict the rights of others...?...that alone is enough to work to help correct this type of dangerous and ignorant thinking...
@@dericanslum1696 Like I said, you can construct anything you want. In this case, I would stay quiet.
The way he talks sounds a bit like me when I'm high asf😭😭
The physician or nurse probably intended to convey that his sort of accident has a very low probability of survival. He heard: it's a _miracle_ he survived.
But why did he need to get injured at all? Are the other people who suffer worse injuries loved less by God?
Why do I imagine this guy would ever seriously entertain such questions?
One if your best discussions. And that's saying something because you put up good..no GREAT content.
EDIT: after a second viewing I had some thoughts
1. Great rapport building
2. Excellent Motivational intervewing
3. Powerful interrogative Socratic method/questions
4. Great hybrid use of the OTF
5. Simple discussion on the complicate 'what is truth'
6. Defeasibility test
You did everything by the 'book' (if there even is a book or correct way of SE). Civility and compassion seemed foundational for this talk yet the IL STILL had a 'little' push back. Very very small 'hint' of a defensive posture or backfire effect.
I think the ILs combonation of traumatic past experiences (veteran, terrible accident) really put the IL in a position of WANTING their belief to be true because it helps them cope with the possible PTSD? I am certianly no expert on the efdects of traumatic events and their possible effect on beliefs but that is what I think I understand from this...but I could be 180° wrong.
I also think the ILs defensive posture surfaced from possible cognitive dissonance when the ILs was asked questions that they realized created a conflict within their belief. That certian things the IL said did not seem to make sense, not well thought out until you pushed them externally to look at their reasoning internally. To say it out loud and critique it by himself, for himself.
The IL appeared like a really smart and caring person...I am not so bright so compared to me he was very sharp.... hahahah. We could almost see an inner conflict develop during this wonderful conversation.
I really think this was one of your best - if not THE best - conversations to date. From the friendly beginning to the well timed ending the 30min flew FAST. I HOPE you both get to do this again.
I hope this answer is not too harsh. I literally understood every word he said and every idea he mentioned. But I think his ideas were almost entirely non-sensical. Yet, he rarely stopped to ponder his responses before answering questions. I am completely baffled how he could give such long and detailed responses to questions that should bring a person to a reasonable answer, and still be so wildly irrational. Its as if he has spent a lot of time thinking gobbledygook to answer questions about god, spirituality, etc. Is it because he was trying to provide too much information for a simple question?
He felt put on the spot and was trying to save face by forcing an answer. Oftentimes people start talking before they even know what they're going to say. It works, because oftentimes something semi coherent comes out. Even computers can do that using markov chain text generators. Since other people are not always the sharpest cookies they get away with it and a bad behavior is reinforced.
Associating life experience and events to "god" or some other force is the definition of confirmation bias. We, as humans, are very good at associating things with patterns. We are pattern seeking creatures. We also do not like knowing that there is no cause for anything. If everything is random, then our life may not be as meaningful as we might consider.
Hey , hope you're good. I've been following the channel for awhile. Love it. I feel there are steps, and correct me if wrong, to keep the topic on point when talking to your interviewees. Some people I feel see the opportunity to talk as a way to get on a soap box and advertise claim after claim. There should be a way to make sure they are doing more reflecting quicker than allowing them to steamroll with assertions. Idk the process before the camera rolls but maybe set up some more guidelines to steer the conversation for them into a more reflective state that way you can get more questions in. All the best.
I'd like to ask Christian, "Say I kept my experiment to request a sign from the god just to myself and I ask the god for a sign. A dove lands in front of me shortly after I make my request. How could I tell the difference between the god sending that dove as a sign of the god's existence and the dove landing in front of me just by chance?"
"How can I distinguish the two?"
"If there is a way, is that way of distinguishing between the two reliable?"
"How could we discover its reliability without first being able to figure out if the god exists or not? Said in a different way, how can we figure out which bus route will reliably get us to a specific city and which won't get us to that specific city if we cannot be sure ahead of time that that city actually exists first?"
Great conversation! Keep up the great work 😁
1. It’s a shame that critical thinking is not taught in schools.
2. Doctors should be more careful in what they say to patients.
3. The damaged brain leads in many cases to an altered person. The younger you are the more plasticity you bran has to adapt to injury with limitations. I think this is what he is describing. He’s a changed person.
4. Confirmation Bias is how many people come to believe in Gods. The test, test and test and if the results finally turn out as hoped they assume that god came up trumps and delivered. It’s neither evidence or proof of a god it’s just muddled thinking and false agency attribution.
5. If you are doxastically closed, nothing will change your mind.
6. Finding a pebble to put in some peoples shoe is sometimes difficult and it’s not always immediately obvious that you have. This conversation might be played over in his head many times and he might then come to realise that his god may not be based on sound thinking or empirical evidence.
Reed, Nice interview. Must have been frustrating but I saw no sense of the just patience and open ended questions. 👍
How does he know it was god and not a genie or a witch or a warlock or leprechauns or big foot or aliens or the chupacabra or Hercules or a magic troll residing in his neighbors attic?
Christian’s belief gives him a sense of certainty, safety and control in a clearly dangerous world. The lack of a way to learn whether his belief is true is actually the point. For him, the circularity of his belief is his ironclad guarantee of certainty. It’s why it doesn’t matter if it’s true.
Given these values, believers like Christian may be attracted towards gaining even greater certainty through questions that explore this possibility. It starts with seeing the value of truth.
“Is everything that you currently believe to be true, actually true? How does knowing true things help us to safely navigate the real world? If you discovered that you happened to misconstrue something you thought was true, would you revise your opinion about it?”
This conversation confused me.
On the one hand, Christian seems like an intelligent, open-minded person who has clearly researched, and read, a lot about many different topics, and thought about our world and the human condition. (I was particularly impressed with his knowledge of "Acquired Savant" Syndrome, which is pretty rare, and not many people know about. But then again, he experienced it!)
On the other hand, he seems to have part of his mind as this hazy, circular-thinking that allows him to avoid really focusing on the foundations of his belief, namely, HOW can we demonstrate if something is actually true?
I would like to see repeated conversations with Christian to see whether we could make more progress with him. Of course, he could be completely closed-off, but his personality seemed friendly enough that it might warrant a further conversation or two.
Truth about what?
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Actually, when I read Native American stories about how everything came into existence, they make much more sense than the bible.
The concept of god is a theological matter. NOwhere in this reality I see anything that I can consider god. Not mentioning my religious background does not have Abrahamic view about god.
Eternal life is another theological discussion. I live for the present, and I am content with not knowing about my afterlife. It's a mystery.
If you already the answer, good for you. I cannot make myself believe in something that does not make sense to me.
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But that is the thing about Christians. They always claim about "the truth" that does not make sense to me. I am not even an atheist.
I don't demand empirical evidence. However, I cannot make myself in something that is completely foreign to me.
Do you know what valhalla is and how to get in?
If you are not used to Nordic concept of valhalla, it will be ridiculous to demand you to believe in valhalla and worship Odin.
Same thing with your god. I don't have those concepts in me. I cannot make myself believe just because of the fear I would not live forever.
@@khanhminhnguyen7274 --- If someone spoke to you concerning nuclear physics and it did "not make sense" to you, would that make nuclear physics not true?
This was a great chat between you and Christian! I would have loved to find out what he thinks about tic-tacs, and lamborghinis.
WHERE YOU AT BROOOOO??? I MISSSS YOUUUU!!!!! I NEED MORE VIDEOOOOOoooossssss.
Doctors say "you should be dead" usually to make u feel like u r lucky and somehow escaped a bad situation. This ends up proving gods exist to the person
Idea: How about using the TicTac question to first calibrate your sliding scale, so you know at the outset what "100" means to the interviewee, then by analogy will they always score a faith more, less or the same as a testable (100) question on odd/eveness. The meaning of certainty and testability seems lost in this conversation despite having the tactic prop.
Hello ! The difficulty is that our Creator does not manifest itself in an obvious and indisputable way. He remains silent. But that does not mean he will never do it. The scriptures explain that it manifested itself in the past. Only, there remains only a written testimony that everyone can question. The best solution is to wait. The scriptures indicate that when the time comes, he will take back complete control of the Earth. And all erroneous beliefs will fade when that day comes up.
// Greeting from France.
( Translated from French with Google translation ).
Dither Jannev You are crazy!😂 God talked to you?
@@kyaxara7321 Maybe someday .... hey hey !
Dither Jannev Good luck!.. hey hey😂
OK, first off I am only a few seconds in but......if we didn’t have several centuries worth of religious inculcation and a belief in a deity wasn’t actually a ‘thing’ just how many of the people who get involved in these life-threatening incidents would see fit to invent such an entity as the reason for their survival? My guess is that a few actually would (the others would just consider themselves lucky!) and this in itself should tell you much about how religious thinking came about.
Really good talk with respect and this spiritual guy is very open minded.
16:10
Probably the most dangerous part of the convo.
He's so quick to connect a god to receiving the $5 but he doesn't think to ask how the two can be connected.
Seems like a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy to me.
I really wish he would have followed up with what he thinks Atheists “believe.” The more I hear theist explain what they think atheism is, the more convinced I am that they don’t know what atheism is.
I think an important distinction in today's age is how atheism and agnosticism are debated to be the default stance without any faith. Logically, you'd say, "hmm, well these are unknowns that are inaccessible, so surely agnosticism is the default position. It's equally likely that these invisible, intangible beings exist, compared to naturalism, right?" That stance is credible... Thousands of years ago. Today, we know about the brain. This has a conclusive impact on our logic. If we understand that the only sentient beings in the universe seem to be confined to a brain, there is no reason to believe otherwise. We have a clear indication that our bodies aren't just controlled by our "spirit" but by our mechanistic brain, as science indicates. Therefore, we have a clear arrow pointing towards a very complex machine, but not a spirit. Therefore, the likelyhood of metaphysics drops.
11:55 I don’t have the thought, in the back of my mind or anywhere else, that there must be something more The the physical reality I can perceive.
When I was younger I wanted to believe that, but I never found any convincing evidence, so I stopped wasting time searching for it. Much happier now 😁
dogless10 there certainly are things none of us can perceive yet per say, whether due to the limitation of modern science or our geographic constrictions and relatively primitive ability to explore space, but one would be hard pressed to convince me that any of those things yet unseen are of a “supernatural” essence.
he wasn't doing too badly until he came over all sean carroll richard dawkins on us: "I don't believe I believe civilization evolution would continue on further than most civilizations have ever made it pass but I also believe it's a cycle to see how far each civilization makes it to as far as even how societies are built and learned because even back then the stuff that they knew now would they were way more advanced than what we are now on the knowledge they knew on how they did cosmic time and all that in like when it comes to ancient history"
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I cannot relate to his line of thinking. He, now, bases his whole outlook and meaning of life on knowing there is a god but can’t defend it.
Towards the latter half of the conversation, he kept chuckling nervously. I’m thinking that he may have begun to realize that his beliefs aren’t solid.
yo man ...check it...like ...this talk was dope
You'e a master but seem a bit off your rapport game recently. Maybe you should go to teaching?
When you wing it through your term paper without doing the research.
i'd go straight away to "let's say we have conclusive proof there is no god, that gods aren't real, how would you explain your experience?"
I really get tired of all these unchallenged claims that "the doctor said I should be dead, a vegetable, paralyzed, etc". I'm sure most doctors are just using polite bedside manners to tell the patients that their condition could have been much worse, and you were an idiot to skateboard through an intersection. If doctors really witnessed and documented a patient that survived an injury/disease that should have killed them, submit your findings to JAMA and collect your Nobel prize for medicine.
What was the goal of the conversation? The conversation showed how asking questions can lead to a deeper conversation. But I hoped the questioner was going to go somewhere with the conversation. I don’t see the point.
The point, as I understand it, is not to impose the view of the interviewer on the other person. It's not a debate. It's to reveal the flawed logic through insightful questions.
@@jmora6529 If it does impose a view, then is the point lost?
@@ProtestantismLeftBehind presumably, yes. If you impose your view, you're leading their thought process in potentially a different direction. The process is to draw them toward further investigation and to question their assumptions (if needed). I suppose providing resources or answering questions honestly might be an option. However generally providing "facts" will draw the conversation from their core beliefs, which is what you're trying to ascertain before delving into sharing of information.
Also, you can experience strong resistance if you attempt to counter their arguments.
@@jmora6529 Can a person’s epistemology, philosophy, worldview, or lack of knowledge cause the interviewer to begin from a slanted position? Even lead to improper conclusions about the person being interviewed who maintains a different epistemology, philosophy, worldview, and more? Logic alone still operates with these frameworks.
live life teh fullest taken moment by moment kind of open guy, hes cool
This guys views are all over the place. And he says he doesn’t care if he believes in true things. He is going to have a tough life.
This guy was all over the place..
I think this guy was too high to hold a substantive conversation. He was making little sense and couldn’t grasp your hypotheticals that were trying to probe how he could determine if he’s mistaken. It’s all about the “feel good” even if it ties you in knots.
I truly hope Christian finds this video and watches it.
“I’m 100% confident. There’s no way to be totally sure. I’m 100% confident.”
If you have to define “100%” for your ILs were all wasting our time.
Towards the end, Christian said “you can ask 100 different people and get 100 different answers...” I was hoping you would have brought the TicTacs back into the conversation by asking what 100 different answers they would have for the case of TicTacs. You still did a great job Reid. Your patience is amazing. I would have got up and walked away. 😂
Let's remember that this poor man's Marlon Wayans suffered a traumatic head injury!🤦🏾♂️
If the $5 is not there then God still exists. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat! Coz he’s an entrepreneur!
Cordial Curiosity, what is your confidence that God doesn’t exist?
It seemed as if 'christian' did not understand many of your questions. And contrary to what he said, I do not think that he cares about truth.
Katalyzt
Christian, I’m glad you survived your accident, but doctors saved you, not God. If God would have saved you, you wouldn’t have needed to go to the hospital.
Sounds like he's gambling with beliefs, when he is testing for faith. Fun talk
I broke my arm and survived there must be a God!😂 He also thinks for Atheist that they believe in something???😳, What??
I received a head injury, therefore God.
This shows American education has failed!!
"I'm spiritual". Oh boy. WTF does that even mean???
Huh? That is all.
that wasn't an accident
FFs...the hell is this guy babbling about??
... how man evolutionalised 😱
Something happened, it was god. Haha
"Give back to Erf"
WOW
Holy fuck
SMH
embarrassing…..
-- When you have JESUS you have the truth.
VAIO294
Yeah but not really. Its just a story.