The Durand Churn: Reassessing Afghanistan-Pakistan Relations | Sushant Sareen |
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- The Neighbourhood Scope | The Durand Churn: Reassessing Afghanistan-Pakistan Relations | This event is part of the series “The Neighbourhood Scope,” a monthly feature of the Strategic Studies Programme that intends to rekindle key conversations, questions, and debates concerning India’s neighbourhood.
Tensions are flaring up on both sides of the Durand Line once again. Pakistan’s decision to evict undocumented immigrants from the country and the resultant surge in militant attacks inside Islamabad has aggravated already fraught ties between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Taliban has also hardened its position by criticising the decision as ‘unjust’ and ‘un-Islamic.’ More than two years since the group returned to power in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s expectations of reaping the dividends of an Islamic Emirate in its neighbourhood have come to naught with the current caretaker Prime Minister declaring how ‘peace’ in Afghanistan has become a nightmare for Pakistan. Since August 2021, the country has seen numerous suicide attacks by the TTP, which enjoys the Afghan Taliban’s support. Its efforts to convince the Taliban to act against the TTP have failed to materialise as the former deny any leverage that they have over the group.
As the situation further deteriorates, what shape will the bilateral relationship take? Will these pressure tactics by Islamabad nudge the Taliban to act against the TTP? What about the fate of refugees that have been caught in this crossfire and how has the Taliban been dealing with their return? How is the region perceiving these differences between the two countries?
Speakers:
Javid Ahmad, Non-resident Senior Fellow, Atlantic Council
Ayesha Siddiqa, Senior Fellow, King’s College London
Kamran Bokhari, Senior Director, New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy
Shivam Shekhawat, Junior Fellow, Observer Research Foundation
Moderator:
Sushant Sareen, Senior Fellow, Observer Research Foundation
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Despite their sophistication with words, these two Pakistanis are essentially saying is that India’s internal ‘socio politics’ has to change, India’s politics has to settle down and “pragmatism” and pragmatic leaders have to arise in India to sort out Pakistan problems and its problems with Afghanistan!!😂😂😂😂
Everyone just loves when a docile, stupid government is in power, except the country's own citizen
basically ye india ko apna daddy banana chahte h
Pakistan wants India to Change itself in its favour. How funny it sounds. They want Rahul baba as PM for them to talk to us.
They are implementing HUDHEBIYA treaty
Ms. Ayesha brings the Pakistani establishment points subtlety. Taliban problem is world problem; the cost of ignoring Afghanistan would be paid by the west later; Afpak region's problem never remains local; US is very worried about the stability of pakistan, etc. Haven't we heard these before!
Bullshit
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GHANTA.
I read the topic as Durand Churan
You need to address the root cause which is the Punjabi colonization of Pashtun and Baloch lands
The Afghan Ambassador who is with Atlantic Council, is brilliant!
Very interesting , informative , realistic and honest discussion
Must listen for all who are interested in geopolitics of our region.
Frankly, whatever Pakistan may do, it had zero credibility. The U. S. will extract its pound of flesh for any help it might give. Also, the U. S. will need Bharat's buy-in lest it moves closer to Russia and be less helpful in the Indo-Pacific strategy.
INDIA should actually plan for a dialogue with Kabul, which might be in control of Pakistan as Pashtuns have ruled Pakistan for hundreds of years
15:00 he says ISI could demolish Taliban leadership of Afghanistan. Funny how 20years of working with uncle Sam didn't achieve that, but pak alone can
Taliban is ISI proxy, these border skirmishes are merely ISI rouse tactics to fool US
This is an astute point but are you forgetting the fact that Pakistan did control the Taliban’s creation/s and subsequent military successes.
Rumor has it that in both the Taliban takeovers, Pak Army regulars were actually leading the Taliban troops on more than a few fronts.
I see Sushant Sareen, I hit like 👍 Simple!
Eagerly waiting to hear from experts on Pak Afghanistan mounting tensions.
Great White fathers of Landon created Durand line. They can not be wrong. Leave it to them to solve Durand line.
Couple of things:
1. It does appear like Ms. Ayub has been deputized by the Pak Army to talk about how the Brits are privately agreeing with Pak (like it matters) and sometbing Kinetic Honda is going to happen soon. 😅
2. Secondly and most importantly, can we all agree that Pakistan is a mentally imbalanced guy who has been giving a lighter for the candles on the birthday cake, knowing fully well he is going to burn the whole house down.
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Excellent discussion. Great job sushant
amazing discussion with amazing panel members---will look forward to such discussions ..thanks ORF
At the time of independence, Pakistan officially constituted E. Bengal, W. Punjab & Sindh only. Pakistan’s Illegal occupation of J&K is directly linked with illegal merger of Frontier Province with Pakistan, the Babrra massacre & with illegal occupation of Baluchistan.
Frontier Province (Now KPK) belongs to Afghanistan whose historic summer Capital was Peshawar. Durand Line Agreement which also demarcated Baluchistan without signature of Khan of Kalat was accepted as Line of Influence only by Britain for trade & taxation purposes & to protect its Peshawar military base from tribal attacks.
Frontier Province was illegally transferred to Pakistan by Britain with sham referendum in July, 1947 as Jinnah had agreed to give Peshawar base to the West for anti-Soviet surveillance. The elected Frontier Govt of Dr. Khan Saheb, Bacha Khan's brother, was dismissed & a Punjabi with fake Pashtun name Abdul Qayyum Khan was made Chief Minister on 22 August, 1947 to secretly organize Kashmiri invasion.
Pashtuns had started agitation against the illegal merger & to break their unity tribal Pashtuns were rushed to occupy Kashmir on 22nd Oct, 1947 while Frontier Pashtuns were crushed by Babrra Massacre of 1948.
Getting panicky with J&K's accession with India, Gilgit uprising was staged by Maj. Brown 4 days after 26th Oct, 1947 accession of J&K with India to hand over this front line garrison of Peshawar base to Pakistan.
Baluchistan had become independent on 11th August, 1947. Independent State of Baluchistan was annexed on 27th March, 1948 to end 3rd claimant to Durand Line & to sanctify Durand Line as border between Pakistan & Afghanistan only.
Two territories were taken on lease by Britain, Chief Commissioner's Province of Baluchistan (CCPB) & Gilgit. While CCPB was not returned back to its owner Khan of Kalat (Baluchistan), Gilgit was cleverly returned to J&K in July, 1947 to prize away Gilgit for Pakistan. The US spy plane U-2 flown from Peshawar base was shot down over USSR in 1960.
Pashtuns have suffered immensely from Pakistani machinations & double games of Punjabi Generals both during Soviet intervention & 9/11 US campaign in Afghanistan. Keeping Afghanistan destabilized & weak is in the best interests of Pakistani Punjabis.
With US entry following 9/11, Punjabis played double games: arming Pashtuns to kill Americans & secretly giving drone-bases to Americans to kill Pashtuns to prolong war & milk US dollars. Displaced Pashtuns were also cleverly settled in distant Sindh & not nearby Punjab to undermine Mohajir clout.
People of Afghanistan & Taliban have now understood Punjabi games & know that Frontier Province belongs to them. Pashtun refugees in Pakistan are in fact living in their own ancestral land.
India's J&K problem due to Pakistani terrorist infiltration will also be solved when Frontier Province (KP) gains independence or confederates with its motherland Afghanistan & Baluchistan gains independence. Destiny will finally take its right course. Only then stability will come in South Asia.
Well said
One of the most brilliant minds decipher India,s neighbours.Thank you ORF for getting such amazing people on your channel
What a discussion. Thanks, Mr sareen
Very informative. Foreign panelists joining in virtually made excellent comments.
Thank you very much Sushantji for this brilliant in-depth , need of the hour discussion. 🙏This discussion is definitely a reality check for Indians as we are striving for economic excellence. A must watch for all Indians to have a better understanding of geopolitical challenges within the region of India-Pakistan-Afganistan.
Striving for economic excellence?.....We are doing pretty well when it comes to economy
in comparison to pak, but otherwise, your gdp per capita is pathetic. just compare your growth with how china's growth has been since 90s. you're nothing compared to them.@@Maverick-zo4kc
I'm sure your broken gods will give you long enough life to see us soar, and to see your pathetic so-called "country" devolve into complete chaos. @@9Rehankhan19
In due course of time we will match them and even beat them. We have absolutely no doubt of it. We have a roadmap for it , leadership to lead and money and investments to match.
@@9Rehankhan19 What nonsense are you talking? India is growing faster than China for the past 2 years and is pegged to grow even more faster in 2024, 2025 and 2026. Yes, it is true than China is a far more bigger economy than India at the moment but we certainly will overtake China as the global growth engine by 2035. By the way, instead of focusing on India and China, you should worry about your failed bankrupt lawless country which is on the verge of collapse.
Very informative… must watch
Good platform.
Very good session
Its the right time to think regionally. Greater regional cooperation is order of the day. But unfortunately there is strong division among regional countries like Pakistan India and China and Iran. China America competition is also a big threat for regional stability. So instability may continue for some longer period of time.
Pakistan should stop nurturing and fostering terror!sm, that is the only way out.
Sir , pakistan refused to join the South Asian motor Vehicle Agreement that would allow movement of goods and vehicles across the member countries .
Then the other South Asian countries combined to form the BBIN Vehicle Agreement ( Bhutan Bangladesh India Nepal)
Shah, S. K., & Hussain, S. (2022). Drivers of Pakistan’s Afghanistan Policy. Pakistan Horizon.
Sushant Bhai- very informative session, however, your desk/table looks very cluttered. Please make it look more organized, to the taste of a professional audience…
Sarkari babus never change their old habits. They should learn some aesthetic values from other propaganda channels like BBC, al Jazeera, etc.
@@Rishi6901 Sushant is not a sarkari babu
You like it or not, Taliban are managing the country much better. Ayesha who I used to respect is suddenly playing the establishment’s game. How dare you think of attack?
Exactly. Taliban seem to be in control
👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Dr Kamran is a legend 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
सवाल है verious ethnic muslim community मिल कर इस्लामिक राष्ट्र गठन कर सकते हैं? जवाब है बिल्कुल नहीं 👍 पाकिस्तान, अफगानिस्तान वर्तमान परिस्थितियों में नहीं बन सकता। जितने इस्लामिक राष्ट्र है सब single ethnic community है।
Zara accent to dekho inki. I remember how our newbie dubai workers usedbto get their flashy stereo sets with them when they landed in india
You should have invited Gen Mobin to tell you the truth
Next to b sent back or across the border will b pathans by breaking their families..sad
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so what Indian panellists are saying is that Pakistan who has been hosting millions and millions of afghan refugees for the last 40 years doesn't have any soft-power and India which has probably introduced only indian cinema among a specific class of afghans has more soft-power.
Afghan military officers are trained in IMA Dehradun. I think that gives a fair idea of India-Afghan relationship.
Bhai we spend 4 billion in Afghanistan roads dams
Plus
Had quite connect with cricket
Their Homebase in India
And probably we both hate Pakistan for general populace
No hate just sayin'
Pakistan should stop nurturing and fostering terror!sm, that is the only way out.
We can see the public display of soft power
by the Afghans in the stadiums during Afghanistan Pakistan cricket matches 🤜💥😵
How much money did Pakistan and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar make by waging war in Afghanistan? Now you are saying there are 20-22 groups who call themselves Anti Taliban ready to fight with western support. More money to be made I guess. Pakistan will be the biggest stakeholder of the cashflow. Same old wine in a new bottle by Pakistani establishment. By the way, who is the guy in the yellow jacket? That was probably the longest question anybody has ever asked. I thought he would never stop.
Discussion managers chiefly focused to weaken Pakistan’s case to deal with TTP and Afghan Refugees. Continued instability in Pakistan is a well recognized Indian strategic dream.
It has nothing to do with India. History has been unkind to pakistan by imposing the cult of islam on its people through the ages. It will never let them grow in any domain. Pakistan unfortunately is a victim of islam.
My 3 likes coz I want this comment to get at top of section 😊
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Pura ajae aur Achi baat hogi pr sirf gb aur collateral for occupation me chitral
Azab Kashmir 40lac too much Punjabi musalman
Gb+chitral max 25lac
While eh joh dehashadgardi hey iskey pechey vardhi hey, who else you blame for weakened pakisthan. No democracy, ethnic fighting, corruption at all levels, blatant civilian disorder since 70 years.
Did you even watch the video?
At 34:31 , He asks if the Taliban are removed , who will replace them ? It will be a state of Civil War .
So , before blaming the " Indian Strategic Dream " YOU give the solution
You did not learn from the recent defeat in Afghanistan. Why dnt you openly express you fear that Tal are going to stop water to Pakistan
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Pakistan is arming ISK
Respect to all
please make a episode like this on myanmar.
thank you
Im very confused and concerned by these panelists, when they keep on mentioning Pakistan and Afghanistan problems,weather anyone likes or not,India is involved in the pass and now,it is guarantee that India and out part of the world will not be spared, it will be good for states to come together and work sorting out all the issues in a peaceful manner, the Indian major,mentioning the durand line,these kinds talk needs to stop,because India face the some problems in side India, if the taliban stop the ttp,that will be the end of all problems, the whole region will be safe.
Pakistan should stop nurturing and fostering terror!sm, that is the only way out.
How do the Afghans view the Durand line?
But kpk is afghan land in reality, British snatched it from pashtoons, it should be returned for long lasting peace
Arey Sir , please reply 🙏
You have written such a Long paragraph , surely you can answer my simple question?
@@shatnermohanty6678 abhi tak nahi samjhe, wo Pakistani hoga, sab kuch bola dega except jo bolna chahiye wo, kpk truly belong to Afghanistan, ye isko bhi malum hai, lekin wo bolega nahi kabhi bhi🤣😂😁😆
Very informative and truthful
sareen sucks as usual
India has woefully always used Afghanistan as a linchpin to destabilise Pakistan.Durand Line is a go to issue to cause instability in the region.
😂🤣 who created Taliban and celebrated its return to power? Who was sipping tea with Taliban in Kabul when it took over in 2021?
Pakistan, don't play victim card. We have only built civilian infrastructure in Afghanistan for its people, like parliament, hospitals, dams, roads etc. It's Pakistan which mis-uses Afghanistan for strategic depth.
India has nothing to do with Afghanistan’s bilateral relationship with Pakistan. Pakistan has a colonial mindset towards Pashtuns and Baloch and that is the problem here. Pashtun nationalism has strong roots now and that is what scares the Punjabis.
You are right , Durand line was created by an Indian called Dhurandar Chaudhary 😒
India provided Zia ul haq with monetary and military aid to fight the USSR in Afghanistan 🙄
And Indian Government advised the ISI to acquire Strategic Depth in Afghanistan 🤦
Why do pakistani always ignore ground reality and blame everybody else except themselves ?
Poor moderation by Sareen. The Afghan guy kept speaking on and on and on. You need to divide time equally.
Don't see Pakistan as the only trouble_ maker!
hame koi baat nhi karni faied states see end of story
Abay failed* hota hai bdhsk
Why u don't discuss India_ Burma relations;; or India _ Srilanka relations. On a balance sheet , discuss issues related to india aswell.
They actually do but since Paxtan's relevance as a nuīsance creator in the region far more significant than India Sri Lanka's and India Myanmar's peaceful relations, it gets discussed a lot,
Upon that,
they won't be listening to people like yōú on what they should discuss and what they should not yōú do realise that ? It's their channel
Because they are not hostile
Also ORF mainly for security issues
Kyu bhai aapse pooch ke karenge discuss 💩
Tuze sunana hai to sun ....nahi to ...baki videos dekh le....kyu itni taklif lete ho?? ye Northeast aur Myanmar ka issue leke kaun sunega...to Pakistan Indians ke liye entertainment ka part hai....aur Afhghaan Taliban .....Pakistan kibaja raha hài😅