I'm using a "knockoff" version of all of them. And I'm judging the knockoffs, not name brand products. And I'm not hiding this in the video. The main reason is that most people will see a product with a name brand price tag and immediately look for a cheap knockoff. And as long as something is designed with the same principles, it's helpful to see how the designs compare, either the name brand products against each other, or cheap knockoffs against each other. And actually you were to compare name brand to knockoffs but limited to only one design, that would be valid also. The only invalid comparison would be to use one design in a name brand version, and a different design in a knockoff version. Which of course is NOT even close to what this video is. It should also be noted by the viewer that the only noticeable difference between a Tetradrip and the product I used in the video is the price tag.
@@KonaEarthCoffee Absolutely not true. I have tried both the tetradrip and this knockoff side by side. The knockoff is such a hassle to assemble (because of the much harder, thicker metal) that this alone is reason enough to pay the premium of the original. But thank you for being upfront about the authenticity of the product being reviewed. A bit of a tangent, I know, but for what it's worth, I've also tried the others you're comparing with. As with any dripper, each needs to be dialed in differently as the extraction/drawdown mechanics will be different. I don't invalidate your experience and choosing what you went with. Just saying that some might find the other options equally valid (nothing inherently worse in one vs the others). Taste aside though (which is agreed the most important metric) the one that you went with is quite finicky to get used to having the filter in just the right way (and stay put)
Well, there may be an assembly difference, but since they use the same size and shape of filter, they are the exact same size and geometric shape (and they must be the same because both are 3 equal flat sides perfectly holding the same size filter) they are going to brew the same. But a bigger point needs to be addressed. This video was a review for brewing while traveling. People aren't going to want to adjust their grind size from their home dripper to their travel dripper when they use the same filter papers. For that matter, I don't either. And I reject that different V60 filter-using drippers actually need different grind sizes. Maybe you can get better performance out of one or the other if you do fine tune your grind but, that's kind of the point: if there's one that doesn't require that attention to detail - that's the one I want! And I think most people would agree. Honestly, I'm shocked by your last comment because in my experience the spiral one doesn't need fiddling because it has so little friction that the filter paper self centers. And since filming this video I've bought and tested half a dozen more (using them for a Labor Day party) and they all work better than the Tetradrip design. I didn't need to adjust my grind, didn't need to fiddle with the papers. Now I get that you don't agree, but that's ok. Not everyone needs to agree, not everyone needs to like the same things. And not everyone cares about creating the perfect test to get the best out of a given brewer, but instead testing in a way that is accurate to the most common use case for consumers. Cheers!
@@KonaEarthCoffee well there you go then-if you don’t want to adjust grind sizes between drippers even if these have different drawdowns and extraction dynamics, then we’re definitely on different boats. You seem to have found a dripper that just happened to have a similar enough behavior to what you have at home. Good for you then. Others may have different home setups and the advice here won’t apply. And then there are those who again dialing in differently because different drippers do behave differently. For that matter, different coffees also need different recipes (ratios, grind sizes, temperatures, etc). You are right though-most people don’t bother with such details. In the same way that most aren’t into specialty coffee. Or aren’t into manual brewing. Or just don’t care about anything beyond instant. The argument from popularity… anyway, cheers
Maybe you missed this in the video but I specifically said that all of these brewers are meant to use Hario V60 papers and mimic the performance of an actual Hario dripper. If a given brewer requires a different grind size, it has by definition deviated from the gold standard, i.e. the Hario V60. But if a brewer doesn't require changes to grind size or technique, it has by definition more closely adhered to the same gold standard design. Since all 3 of these brewers are intended to mimic a V60, it's more than reasonable to proclaim the one that deviated the least to be the winner. Think about it, you wouldn't need to switch grind size or technique if you went from one glass V60 to an identical glass V60. So if an alternative brewer gives identical performance, doesn't that give it a better score than one which brews differently? Honestly man, I don't understand how all this equates to my perspective on my preferred brewer being equal to pandering to instant coffee drinkers 🤣
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Are you using a knockoff Muniq Tetradrip? And judging the product based on the knockoff? A bit unfair I think
I'm using a "knockoff" version of all of them. And I'm judging the knockoffs, not name brand products. And I'm not hiding this in the video. The main reason is that most people will see a product with a name brand price tag and immediately look for a cheap knockoff. And as long as something is designed with the same principles, it's helpful to see how the designs compare, either the name brand products against each other, or cheap knockoffs against each other. And actually you were to compare name brand to knockoffs but limited to only one design, that would be valid also.
The only invalid comparison would be to use one design in a name brand version, and a different design in a knockoff version.
Which of course is NOT even close to what this video is.
It should also be noted by the viewer that the only noticeable difference between a Tetradrip and the product I used in the video is the price tag.
@@KonaEarthCoffee Absolutely not true. I have tried both the tetradrip and this knockoff side by side. The knockoff is such a hassle to assemble (because of the much harder, thicker metal) that this alone is reason enough to pay the premium of the original. But thank you for being upfront about the authenticity of the product being reviewed. A bit of a tangent, I know, but for what it's worth, I've also tried the others you're comparing with. As with any dripper, each needs to be dialed in differently as the extraction/drawdown mechanics will be different. I don't invalidate your experience and choosing what you went with. Just saying that some might find the other options equally valid (nothing inherently worse in one vs the others). Taste aside though (which is agreed the most important metric) the one that you went with is quite finicky to get used to having the filter in just the right way (and stay put)
Well, there may be an assembly difference, but since they use the same size and shape of filter, they are the exact same size and geometric shape (and they must be the same because both are 3 equal flat sides perfectly holding the same size filter) they are going to brew the same. But a bigger point needs to be addressed. This video was a review for brewing while traveling. People aren't going to want to adjust their grind size from their home dripper to their travel dripper when they use the same filter papers. For that matter, I don't either. And I reject that different V60 filter-using drippers actually need different grind sizes. Maybe you can get better performance out of one or the other if you do fine tune your grind but, that's kind of the point: if there's one that doesn't require that attention to detail - that's the one I want! And I think most people would agree.
Honestly, I'm shocked by your last comment because in my experience the spiral one doesn't need fiddling because it has so little friction that the filter paper self centers. And since filming this video I've bought and tested half a dozen more (using them for a Labor Day party) and they all work better than the Tetradrip design. I didn't need to adjust my grind, didn't need to fiddle with the papers. Now I get that you don't agree, but that's ok. Not everyone needs to agree, not everyone needs to like the same things. And not everyone cares about creating the perfect test to get the best out of a given brewer, but instead testing in a way that is accurate to the most common use case for consumers.
Cheers!
@@KonaEarthCoffee well there you go then-if you don’t want to adjust grind sizes between drippers even if these have different drawdowns and extraction dynamics, then we’re definitely on different boats. You seem to have found a dripper that just happened to have a similar enough behavior to what you have at home. Good for you then. Others may have different home setups and the advice here won’t apply. And then there are those who again dialing in differently because different drippers do behave differently. For that matter, different coffees also need different recipes (ratios, grind sizes, temperatures, etc). You are right though-most people don’t bother with such details. In the same way that most aren’t into specialty coffee. Or aren’t into manual brewing. Or just don’t care about anything beyond instant. The argument from popularity… anyway, cheers
Maybe you missed this in the video but I specifically said that all of these brewers are meant to use Hario V60 papers and mimic the performance of an actual Hario dripper. If a given brewer requires a different grind size, it has by definition deviated from the gold standard, i.e. the Hario V60.
But if a brewer doesn't require changes to grind size or technique, it has by definition more closely adhered to the same gold standard design.
Since all 3 of these brewers are intended to mimic a V60, it's more than reasonable to proclaim the one that deviated the least to be the winner. Think about it, you wouldn't need to switch grind size or technique if you went from one glass V60 to an identical glass V60. So if an alternative brewer gives identical performance, doesn't that give it a better score than one which brews differently?
Honestly man, I don't understand how all this equates to my perspective on my preferred brewer being equal to pandering to instant coffee drinkers 🤣