Hehe. That’s why she’s the only character I can play. Massive survivability without a shield, and her fade, combined with self healing, makes it very easy to get out of doge if things head south. Perhaps a little cheesy, but a phenomenal character nonetheless.
Moira is the most annoying character in the game. The skill gap between a Moira main and a tracer main is insane yet the former will come out on top in most situations… as a support lul. She’s a pseudo-tank healer dps assassin that doesn’t need to aim and has reliable mobility during bursts. I am so sick of that character.
Honestly i think shes need a nerf to her attack range because it is dumb long, either that or nerf the amount of health she gets back. Shes a low skil high reward character and its so annoying
@@ryan_raus 24 health per second, unless it got buffed in OW2, which I haven't really noticed. I want to clarify the only thing I feel is passive is her biotic grasp, it has no cool down.
@@arutemisemtrai9769 fade was long enough in the beta to kick-start the new passive and you could also get it to proc on brig just by having her shield up for a second
Wow, Mercy went from the only one that could do this, to the worst at doing it. Edit: this was just of an observation. Not saying she's underpowered or anything.
But Mercy's one of the most mobile healers, she had her ult and shift, I've played in the beta of OW2 and Mercy, Moira and Lucio were a pain to kill, with enough space to use their mobility they were a bigger pain to kill than tanks
also she may be the worst but she's the most consistent, with no need for using cooldowns. also zen already had regeneration in ow1 but only of the shield health.
Without abilities she isn't, second to zen with two 'heals' but in any other regard she is the worst. I'm somewhat disheartened but also dgaf since she's the easiest to get away with, second to Moira or Lucio if not the best.
@@Zen-db5pp You have to remember they've also destroyed her mobility this patch by forcing her to autosuper jump. She's literally a throw pick compared to the other healers now
I hate that they just slapped Mercy's passive on all the other supports even though she only had it because she has no self healing of any kind outside of Valkyries healing. You're about to kill Moira, she throws a healing orb and fades through you and is back to full HP. They couldn't just give Mercy a new passive or just balance heroes individually?
I’m honestly not mad at it since if it wasn’t there characters like ana and zen would probably struggle a lot without it. But I would like to see Mercy’s passive healing do more than just 22hps since not only was it supposed to be unique for mercy but she doesn’t have any kind sort of self healing abilities like the others. I feel like simply buffing it up to 30 could be a bit of a stretch but potentially necessary to keep her relatively healthy during a fight, though keep in mind she has some of the most fluid, frequent and powerful movement out of any other support so maybe it’ll be okay?
I feel like blizzard is making the other supports easier and making Mercy like the hardest to get value out of because you really have to be intense to survive if you are getting dived a lot, I definitely don't care for the superjump change either because I don't think it increases her value and it felt really clunky and unsatisfying.
subjectively, Zenyatta's self healing with trans is actually 0s, because he is immune to damage and no matter what occurs he will always have full hp at the end of it. He is effectively fully healed the moment he casts. Also, you stopped at 225 hp for zen, not 200.
I think supports being able to passively self-heal is a good change. They’re healers, as much as players may want to protest, supports are important. They shouldn’t have to waste resources or their abilities to self-heal, or run off to find a health pack.
In OW1 it was already the case in ow 1 where all supports could effectively self heal, with exception of Ana, but she was also a long range character and her bionade was often used to debuff enemies making them unable to heal. This change is important only for low elo, for highg elo it won't change anything and zen's buff increasing his shields by 25 is proabably more impactful because he will be harder to burst kill... not to mention he always was an off support, not main support.
@@michasokoowski6651 Also, it will change how pros play. They use health packs less often, can be less selfish with abilities, and can push further into the enemy team while worrying less about how to dip and heal afterward.
Its a very important change, if something that TF2 do well is understanding that the medics are The most important players and everybody wants to kill him, so it makes a lot of sense that need more protection
Seeing Zen have slightly more health + the fastest health regen of all the supports thanks to the shield health support class passive combo makes me happy.
Zen is under appreciated support. He lacks mobility, but he doesn't really need it. His role is like a battle field general. Using his orbs to push people around the map - force enemies into cover, or give allies the ability to win duals. He can die quick on his own, but he really shouldn't be on his own. He doesn't heal as much in raw numbers, but he makes up for that by having decent consistent damage, counter-snipe ability, a powerful debuff, and his heal is often extremely impactful because he can heal almost instantly, in the middle of a fight, to the person who needs it the most. With a single debuff he turns a tank into an ult-battery, or makes a squishy extremely vulnerable to a huge number of abilities, and you can't dodge it.
well she’s already pretty much invulnerable because of her fast mobility and that she can fly unlike Moira when she channels her ultimate, she’s pretty vulnerable with her ultimate getting stunned or locked out and just being on the ground.
@@markleefanboy8569 There are stuns, Doom, Orisa, sigma, Reinhardt has stuns and since the removal of a tank and shields the opportunity to CC has been lifted
As a mercy main its pitiful that her self healing rate is around 8 seconds, but I believe her mobility will make up for it i just would really love a alternate fire on her secondary pistol
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This kinda confirms something I was worried about, that this change would be a massive buff for everyone but mercy. Not it is a buff for mercy too because her passive is just better. But that’s to Zen at no point is her healing better than everyone else’s, and her lead only goes down from there. I don’t think this is the end of the world, and I’m a Moira main so I am definitely not going to complain. Still it’s a bit sadge for mercy.
@@Milloeuf No, the fact that Mercy passively heals herself in OW1 is a huge advantage is a significant part of how she competes with the other supports. Her kit does still make it easier for her to avoid damage and trigger the passive in the first place, since she can do her job without LoS on the enemy team and can even have LoS closed to her teammates most of the time and still keep her beam attached. But in OW1, her passive self-heal is 20 HPS. In OW2, the other supports get 15 HPS and retain their other self-heal abilities, while Mercy just gets an additional 2.5 HPS to her only form of self-heal. It’s a significant relative nerf for her; she’s the only support who doesn’t have a second way to heal herself.
@@ClaraBennett Very fair point! The only thing she has over the others is also a way to constantly self-heal with her passive during her ult, since she has no recovery period after taking damage.
@@ClaraBennett this also make her a lot weaker to any new heroes being added to the game. As they will likely be tuned towards the other supports, new hero flankers will probably shred mercy in a second or so.
I really think that the support passive should trigger after 3 seconds of no damage taken. Similar to shield health. One second feels too short for all heros, but allow Mercy to keep the one second and boasted heal relate to compensate.
@@aguyontheinternet8436feel like you could say that about every character in the game. No shit a faster time to kill is going to eliminate a player faster.
It's so Ironic for Mercy's character that this happens. Not only is she the worst at regenerating, the other gals that use her technology (Moira and Ana) deliver it so much faster than Mercy's beam
This is why I think Mercy's passive should also include her inheriting the passive of whoever her beam target is. If she's beaming a support, she has a lot of passive healing (that which was once unique to her, why is she basically the worst at it?), if she's beaming dps, that means she can keep up with them and they don't outrun her beam range (teammates leaving their mercy behind is already a problem in some cases, the dps movement speed passive only exacerbates this issue), and some CC resist when beaming a tank would be pretty helpful too!
idk why people dont agree with this idea, its a very minor buff that only occurs when mercy is actively healing someone and gives her more to think about when using her beam than just switching between damage and healing when required, sounds great, they'll just need to fix the bug that lets mercy keep the passives when she switches from healing to rezzing which will inevitably happen if they make this a thing
I like the thought, although i think it should be a scaled down version, so if she's beaming a tank, who will have 20% knockback reduction, she will have a 10% reduction, if she's beaming a dps, who has 20%(?) Speed increase, she will have a 10% speed increase, and if she heals a support, she will have like 70(?) heal per second, just a thought not to make it too OP
Would have been nice to include a scenario where they were taking small ticks of damage to compare without anything that requires time after taking damage to take effect, since being able to heal while taking damage is extremely strong. Would likely more accurately reflect the subjective experience in game where Lucio, Brig, bap and Moira (plus ulting mercy) feel like they have amazing self heal.
Need an updated video on the tank variation!! And how the difference in tank health affects the % thingy, and how the shield health of zarya/sig affects it!! God your content is so amazing
As a Mercy Main. I'm extremely disappointed by all of this. They took something unique to Mercy, gave it to all the other supports, and now Mercy is effectively the worst at self healing when that used to be a trait exclusive to her. To top it off, she still does the seconds to last healing per second. Mercy needs some sort of major buff, she's outclassed in healing, self healing, mobility, and damage now.
A lot of things lead to the current state of the game, but the worst aspect would have to be how instead of making 12 really distinct characters, they made 32 characters which are bound to have overlap in order to be balanced. I am of the opinion that the original cast should have been given new weapons, relating to their stories. That would force the writers to involve more characters in more of each other's conflicts and it would naturally expand the gameplay in a really cool way while keeping them relevant. If they were to make a new character, said character should be completely different than anything else and it would be a rare and very big deal. Lots of characters are good for narratives, but few characters are generally better for balance, gameplay and actually forming connections and deep insight into the characters. It'd be like if instead of Demoman being able to be the Demoknight, an entirely new character was created for that niche melee subclass. Except now that character has to be strong enough to compete against everything else otherwise there is a balance issue. So they buff the melee class to the point where it is super obnoxious to fight so it will be balanced against ranged weapons, rather than having a fun niche use as an alternative playstyle against certain opponents.
OW2 Mercy is not outclassed on Mobility except possibly by an exceptional Lucio player. The consistency of her flying aka super jump is just ridiculous.
Mercy is the only one with health regen in OW1, but Zen's regen via shield is very similar. They gave Zen a kick power-up since he doesn't have mobility, and in OW2 a support without that or some sort of defense is just going to die. as for buffing Mercy, that isn't a decision that should be made due to them taking her passive and sharing it; it should be done based on her effectiveness and nothing less.
This video is one of the most well made videos I have ever seen in my life. So informative, and the way you described the 3 conditions at the beginning was masterful. Very well done
this channel is highly underrated. National Geographic voice.... no music, for asmr effect.... straight to the point, no 2 minute intro talking about what your going to talk about.... and oooOOOUUUU that numbers, i love the researched numbers. 5/5, 10/10, 2 thumbs up
3 Things to note: 1. Lucio's cross-fade does less self healing in OW2 compared to OW1 2. Zenyatta's health is back to 200 after the release of OW2 3. Baptiste's regenerative burst now heals 100 hp instantly (when he's 50% hp or lower), and another 50 over 5 seconds, in OW2.
Considering her passive is now on everyone and the reason she had it in the first place was she had no way to heal herself, I think the increased speed of regen she has should stay but she also has a second passive. It makes no since for her to basically have no passive compared to other supports. I would say it should also be increased from what it is even now, but that might be too much.
fun fact: this passive also activates upon any damage being interrupted by healing, which makes moira even more ridiculous because every time she kills an enemy, her passive kicks in. not to mention the comedically strong orb.
Why did I watch this. I don't even care about overwatch 2. The entire reason I watchd it is because the structure of your videos is actually phenomenal, so keep it up! You got a good thing going here man
@@christiancasaverdepertica1802 it heals for 50 instantly, then 50 over time on activation (instead of 100 healing over time). Initial healing burst (of 50) is doubled if the target is below 50% hp, resulting in 100 instant heal, then 50 over time.
and as a mercy main, I feel ashamed to have almost 200 hours on her and know her the best when going into overwatch 2. the PvP beta was hard to go through since there wasn't much I could do besides abuse the new easy superjump to try and not die so quick since the dps are now faster.
When showing the healing per second at the end, is that self healing per second? It isn't stated, but will assume yes. Ana's nade wasn't included in the final section. Also, while increasing the health pools provides a nice visual and context at a greater scale, the abilities had to be modified to achieve these numbers (Moira's orb for example). Love the vid, but the last section is flawed and misleading.
The last section shows each character's maximum self-healing per second. Health was increased to better demonstrate these rates; they would not be able to sustain those rates for that long like you said. Ana's nade was excluded since it burst-heals 100hp on each use, so testing it did not make sense (her native healing also serves as a bare minimum 15hp/s to compare with the other characters).
I know this video was released beforehand, but something to consider now is that Baptiste also is getting a buff and his regenerative burst will heal 100 HP in a burst now just like Ana
@@penrilfake Okay but that doesn't change the fact that they decided to basically nerf her by giving her passive to every support and only give her a teensy buff to it. It's an insult. Not to mention in the beta her abilities were all fucked up so you couldn't even play her without being handicapped.
@@BlightedLight they didn’t… nerf her wtf are you talking about?? Mercy is really good in overwatch 2. If anything, she’s actually buffed. Superjump buff is irrelevant if you were already good at it, but now you can really focus on less targets when healing because theres one less tank to worry about. Tanks are basically 2-3 characters worth of healing
@@BlightedLight yeah, I don't know why other people are trying to make excuses on your comment lol. I feel like I would just want her to maybe get a healing buff or something simple like that cuz I'm scared she is going to be reworked when she is kinda the only character I enjoy
@@BlightedLight except they fixed the beta bugs and gave her a new option of movement?? Her passive still got a buff, she regens her own health 50% faster than her OW1 version and the rest of the cast. Going from 1 to 200 in 8 seconds is super good when the core of Mercy's gameplay is getting herself out of enemy LoS with her insane mobility. How is that an insult?? The tank changes are already conducive to her dps-pocket playstyle, so making her heal others even more would make her OP not because of her own kit, but bc of the dps she can pocket.
Also, I think it should be clarified that the healing per second at the end of the video is self healing in case anyone missed that. Those numbers don't apply to allies.
Would be cool if mercy self heal would increase or stay active if using healing beam on a low or critical target, so she could jump into a more precarious situation to try and save someone without just dying immediately
Love how Moira can just throw out a damage orb and hold right click to drain a squishy in seconds and also heal herself in seconds, even greater for her she has an escape option. totally balanced character 🤠👍.
I know I'm late to the game on this video but since I've been playing OverWatch2 I stumbled across this in my recommended and all I can say is please keep doing content like this I love the informative aspect and how smooth and clean everything is explained
Seeing this, I wonder if the devs would consider having valk give a little healing boost at the beginning. I'm not sure how it would affect gameplay in reality, but I've seen so many mercy players (including myself sometimes) pop valk when low health to try and survive, but they just die anyway and waste the ult. It definitely punishes you for misusing it, so it's probably fine as is. One thing I see you didn't mention is that you continuously heal in valk, even while taking damage, so as long as damage received is less than what you've regenerated, you can be alright. That tidbit is particularly useful for burning from ashe's dynamite because you regen at the rate your damaged by the burn.
Baptiste is my favorite support, he just has a lot he can do. I'd personally say he's a harder moira with the strongest ability to keep people alive if played right.
I havent seen many people talk about it, so I’m gonna assume most people don’t know that Baptiste’s regen burst works differently in OW2. Instead of healing for a large amount of healing per second, it instead provides a burst of 50 HP, followed by 10 HP/s for 5 seconds. The initial burst is doubled if you’re below half health
In my opinion continually moira's grasp should not be counted as a passive self heal since Brig can an enemy hit once to activate her full heal for 6 seconds while Moira has to have access to damaging an enemy for the entire duration. Triggering damage once and going into cover to reap its benefits is different to continually holding your right click on the enemy, without being able to hide or you'll break LOS. Other than this, I loved this video keep it up. Your other videos are amazing too. Dropped a sub. Would love to see where your channel goes in a years time.
Changing the duration doesn't change the definition, just the window the passive is functioning. It's still a regenerative non burst heal that takes effect on hit.
personally i'm not sure how much i like this. on one hand it makes staying alive as a healer alot easier, on the other hand, it makes certain healers stand far above the rest due to how easily they can keep themself alive without having to back away from the front lines, personally i don't think anything should be done to the healers beyond improving their kits, they all work perfectly fine in overwatch, so the same will be true in the sequal. so in overwatch 2 basically everyone will be playing moira and having shouting matches over who is better and thats the most significant change that will be cuased. i'm in favor of completely reverting these changes in favor of just not touching them as long as Brigitte doesn't stun anymore, i'm happy. in short: don't fix it if it ain't broken
Healers shouldn't be able to stay alive easily. Healers have always been too OP in OW considering you basically must use an ult if you actually wants to kill someone since everyone gets contantly healed.
@@LordPixel2012 agreed, ana, moira, and baptist are already very strong healers in the right hands. with ana having and keeping the burst healing crown since she was released. this new passive will only serve to make lower dmg characters that have more utility than outright dmg more unplayable since they won't be able to deal the dmg needed to instakill them. the only reason mercy gets away with a passive regen is because not only does she need to swap weapons to deal dmg, but her gun does significantly less dmg than anyone else in the game. everyother healer does not have these things, they all can heal and shot at the same time with ana and brigette having their healing directly tied to their primary fire and baptist bound to alt fire. this change feels like another one of those "we changed something just to change something" changes that all modern devs are so fond of. i guess the term "if it ain't broken don't fix it" is dead in the modern world
Worth mentioning that ana's biotic grenade also increases healing per second for a few seconds after use - so you heal back to full slightly faster if you use it at the start, rather than at the end.
I don't know why people are calling Overwatch 2 underwhelming, they're copying TF2 harder than they ever have by adding passive healing to the medics. Tbh they should have added this when Overwatch first released, so you don't have to glue the supports together or the supports don't have to run away if they get hit just a bit too much. (really good video by the way, love the music and easy to grasp info)
kinda sad how mercy gets the boot a lot in ow2. I really like that they give all sups a regen, but ffs give mercy something more then since everyone got her passiv for free and they all had selfhealing abilitys to start with, makes her so much weaker in comparison u.u
Definitely interested in seeing an update to this. Since we're potentially getting another new support in April, I'd suggest waiting until they're released so the updated video isn't immediately outdated.
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Well now I know why every Moira I fight feels bloody invincible
Hehe. That’s why she’s the only character I can play. Massive survivability without a shield, and her fade, combined with self healing, makes it very easy to get out of doge if things head south. Perhaps a little cheesy, but a phenomenal character nonetheless.
+ fade 😑
Moira is the most annoying character in the game. The skill gap between a Moira main and a tracer main is insane yet the former will come out on top in most situations… as a support lul. She’s a pseudo-tank healer dps assassin that doesn’t need to aim and has reliable mobility during bursts. I am so sick of that character.
Last comp match i had 50kills over 8 death's with moira. She's such an easy hero to master. For reference i'm silver 5.
Honestly i think shes need a nerf to her attack range because it is dumb long, either that or nerf the amount of health she gets back. Shes a low skil high reward character and its so annoying
You're going to become huge once ow2 drops if you keep doing this content
Big time! Super excited to see this channel blow up
Fr these videos are awesome
Agreed. Marblr should also capitalize on the upcoming beta
Facts
LOL
"Zenyatta doesn't care, and heals himself faster anyway." Is my new motto when I play Zen from now on.
He focuses on his breathing
2:42 I knew I felt kinda invincible using Moira in 1v1s in the beta but my god
They'd have to not hit you for one whole second before passive regen would kick in, you were likely just had some rough around the edge players.
@@arutemisemtrai9769 but even without the idle self healing, the self healing she has with her passives is a ton
@@ryan_raus 24 health per second, unless it got buffed in OW2, which I haven't really noticed. I want to clarify the only thing I feel is passive is her biotic grasp, it has no cool down.
@@arutemisemtrai9769 got it, thanks for clarification.
Either way she’s hard to take down sometimes 1v1
@@arutemisemtrai9769 fade was long enough in the beta to kick-start the new passive and you could also get it to proc on brig just by having her shield up for a second
Wow, Mercy went from the only one that could do this, to the worst at doing it.
Edit: this was just of an observation. Not saying she's underpowered or anything.
But Mercy's one of the most mobile healers, she had her ult and shift, I've played in the beta of OW2 and Mercy, Moira and Lucio were a pain to kill, with enough space to use their mobility they were a bigger pain to kill than tanks
Yeah she needs to worst regen. She’s the hardest support to kill in ow2 imo
also she may be the worst but she's the most consistent, with no need for using cooldowns. also zen already had regeneration in ow1 but only of the shield health.
Without abilities she isn't, second to zen with two 'heals' but in any other regard she is the worst. I'm somewhat disheartened but also dgaf since she's the easiest to get away with, second to Moira or Lucio if not the best.
@@Zen-db5pp You have to remember they've also destroyed her mobility this patch by forcing her to autosuper jump. She's literally a throw pick compared to the other healers now
I hate that they just slapped Mercy's passive on all the other supports even though she only had it because she has no self healing of any kind outside of Valkyries healing. You're about to kill Moira, she throws a healing orb and fades through you and is back to full HP. They couldn't just give Mercy a new passive or just balance heroes individually?
I’m honestly not mad at it since if it wasn’t there characters like ana and zen would probably struggle a lot without it. But I would like to see Mercy’s passive healing do more than just 22hps since not only was it supposed to be unique for mercy but she doesn’t have any kind sort of self healing abilities like the others.
I feel like simply buffing it up to 30 could be a bit of a stretch but potentially necessary to keep her relatively healthy during a fight, though keep in mind she has some of the most fluid, frequent and powerful movement out of any other support so maybe it’ll be okay?
yeah its a bit annoying i just want lucio meta
@@funny1.510 he was the most played support in the beta if I’m not wrong
@@Atlas13331 almost only being beaten out by moira because of her survivability and sustaining capabilities from what I remember.
I feel like blizzard is making the other supports easier and making Mercy like the hardest to get value out of because you really have to be intense to survive if you are getting dived a lot, I definitely don't care for the superjump change either because I don't think it increases her value and it felt really clunky and unsatisfying.
subjectively, Zenyatta's self healing with trans is actually 0s, because he is immune to damage and no matter what occurs he will always have full hp at the end of it. He is effectively fully healed the moment he casts. Also, you stopped at 225 hp for zen, not 200.
cause his health is 225 i guess
Zen has 225 hp in ow 2
Yeah he stops at the supports normal max hp. Which for Zen just so happens to be higher than all the others
True, but a mechanical difference does exist. Environmental kills. Zen will give less ult charge if he is at 1 hp vs 225 hp when he falls.
@@biseln2002 This is the reason I bothered to time transcendence, even if it is unlikely Zen will panic ult before dying to environmental damage
I think supports being able to passively self-heal is a good change. They’re healers, as much as players may want to protest, supports are important. They shouldn’t have to waste resources or their abilities to self-heal, or run off to find a health pack.
In OW1 it was already the case in ow 1 where all supports could effectively self heal, with exception of Ana, but she was also a long range character and her bionade was often used to debuff enemies making them unable to heal.
This change is important only for low elo, for highg elo it won't change anything and zen's buff increasing his shields by 25 is proabably more impactful because he will be harder to burst kill... not to mention he always was an off support, not main support.
@@michasokoowski6651 You say that like low elo is not the grand majority of players
Yeah, self healing has been good in tf2 as well (medic can self heal)
@@michasokoowski6651 Also, it will change how pros play. They use health packs less often, can be less selfish with abilities, and can push further into the enemy team while worrying less about how to dip and heal afterward.
Its a very important change, if something that TF2 do well is understanding that the medics are The most important players and everybody wants to kill him, so it makes a lot of sense that need more protection
Seeing Zen have slightly more health + the fastest health regen of all the supports thanks to the shield health support class passive combo makes me happy.
Zen is under appreciated support. He lacks mobility, but he doesn't really need it. His role is like a battle field general. Using his orbs to push people around the map - force enemies into cover, or give allies the ability to win duals. He can die quick on his own, but he really shouldn't be on his own. He doesn't heal as much in raw numbers, but he makes up for that by having decent consistent damage, counter-snipe ability, a powerful debuff, and his heal is often extremely impactful because he can heal almost instantly, in the middle of a fight, to the person who needs it the most.
With a single debuff he turns a tank into an ult-battery, or makes a squishy extremely vulnerable to a huge number of abilities, and you can't dodge it.
@@swordarmstudios6052 AL hail the terminator monk
@@swordarmstudios6052 Underappreciated? He's OP and basically always has been, as long as your team is moderately competent
And he's got his kick too
I know many will disagree, but Mercy should get a higher heal when in Valkyrie.
Not insane like instant heal but much quicker than basic.
well she’s already pretty much invulnerable because of her fast mobility and that she can fly unlike Moira when she channels her ultimate, she’s pretty vulnerable with her ultimate getting stunned or locked out and just being on the ground.
@@naseb79 there are literally 0 stuns in this game they nerfed EVERYTHING ☹️
@@markleefanboy8569 There are stuns, Doom, Orisa, sigma, Reinhardt has stuns and since the removal of a tank and shields the opportunity to CC has been lifted
As short as valkyrie is, I don't think I'd argue with straight up invulnerability.
@@naseb79 mercy is very predictable, since she can only go on a straight line, unlike moira and lucio
*Sad Mercy noises*
As a mercy main its pitiful that her self healing rate is around 8 seconds, but I believe her mobility will make up for it i just would really love a alternate fire on her secondary pistol
Her mobility more than makes up for it, ESPECIALLY in OW2, where she's just better Echo in terms of mobility
mercy mains trying not to complain about their character for 3 seconds 🤯😰
go play another character
@@SpeedKing.. fr
@@SpeedKing.. nothing new coming from mercy mains
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Once you have a large enough backlog of quality videos I think your channel will gain a great amount of (well deserved)views by people just binging through them(like I do :D)
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i have a feeling theyll remove or nerf moiras self regen greatly in ow2
Let’s hope they do
good, promotes braindead gameplay anyway
Probably not, since she doesn't have anything else going for her
she's getting a rework
@@mythmage8231 bruh what
This kinda confirms something I was worried about, that this change would be a massive buff for everyone but mercy. Not it is a buff for mercy too because her passive is just better. But that’s to Zen at no point is her healing better than everyone else’s, and her lead only goes down from there. I don’t think this is the end of the world, and I’m a Moira main so I am definitely not going to complain. Still it’s a bit sadge for mercy.
ew moira main
Yeah but Mercy is meant to heal others, not herself, so this is not really a fair comparison since this is strictly for self-healing
@@Milloeuf No, the fact that Mercy passively heals herself in OW1 is a huge advantage is a significant part of how she competes with the other supports. Her kit does still make it easier for her to avoid damage and trigger the passive in the first place, since she can do her job without LoS on the enemy team and can even have LoS closed to her teammates most of the time and still keep her beam attached. But in OW1, her passive self-heal is 20 HPS. In OW2, the other supports get 15 HPS and retain their other self-heal abilities, while Mercy just gets an additional 2.5 HPS to her only form of self-heal. It’s a significant relative nerf for her; she’s the only support who doesn’t have a second way to heal herself.
@@ClaraBennett Very fair point! The only thing she has over the others is also a way to constantly self-heal with her passive during her ult, since she has no recovery period after taking damage.
@@ClaraBennett this also make her a lot weaker to any new heroes being added to the game. As they will likely be tuned towards the other supports, new hero flankers will probably shred mercy in a second or so.
I really think that the support passive should trigger after 3 seconds of no damage taken. Similar to shield health. One second feels too short for all heros, but allow Mercy to keep the one second and boasted heal relate to compensate.
I haven't played Overwatch 2 yet, but I feel like Moira being able to naturally regen might be overkill
So painful
You cant play at low level against her. She WILL beat you up
@@tendericed2749 When you learn how to hit headshots on her it's all over
Then she dishes away
@@aguyontheinternet8436feel like you could say that about every character in the game. No shit a faster time to kill is going to eliminate a player faster.
It's so Ironic for Mercy's character that this happens. Not only is she the worst at regenerating, the other gals that use her technology (Moira and Ana) deliver it so much faster than Mercy's beam
Tbf Mercy is one of the hardest to kill now with her new movements, she can redirection her GA or stay in in air forever if there is no sniper
@@Dora8197 not anymore C:
@@lumiperuna Once again its coming back baby
@@gabes6108 superjump and slingshot have a 3s cooldown :(
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This is why I think Mercy's passive should also include her inheriting the passive of whoever her beam target is. If she's beaming a support, she has a lot of passive healing (that which was once unique to her, why is she basically the worst at it?), if she's beaming dps, that means she can keep up with them and they don't outrun her beam range (teammates leaving their mercy behind is already a problem in some cases, the dps movement speed passive only exacerbates this issue), and some CC resist when beaming a tank would be pretty helpful too!
nah this ain't it chief
She can fly, sure she can lose los but in most cases she can more than keep up
idk why people dont agree with this idea, its a very minor buff that only occurs when mercy is actively healing someone and gives her more to think about when using her beam than just switching between damage and healing when required, sounds great, they'll just need to fix the bug that lets mercy keep the passives when she switches from healing to rezzing which will inevitably happen if they make this a thing
I like the thought, although i think it should be a scaled down version, so if she's beaming a tank, who will have 20% knockback reduction, she will have a 10% reduction, if she's beaming a dps, who has 20%(?) Speed increase, she will have a 10% speed increase, and if she heals a support, she will have like 70(?) heal per second, just a thought not to make it too OP
So you guys want her to become even more of a leech
Would have been nice to include a scenario where they were taking small ticks of damage to compare without anything that requires time after taking damage to take effect, since being able to heal while taking damage is extremely strong. Would likely more accurately reflect the subjective experience in game where Lucio, Brig, bap and Moira (plus ulting mercy) feel like they have amazing self heal.
Need an updated video on the tank variation!! And how the difference in tank health affects the % thingy, and how the shield health of zarya/sig affects it!! God your content is so amazing
As a Mercy Main. I'm extremely disappointed by all of this.
They took something unique to Mercy, gave it to all the other supports, and now Mercy is effectively the worst at self healing when that used to be a trait exclusive to her. To top it off, she still does the seconds to last healing per second. Mercy needs some sort of major buff, she's outclassed in healing, self healing, mobility, and damage now.
A lot of things lead to the current state of the game, but the worst aspect would have to be how instead of making 12 really distinct characters, they made 32 characters which are bound to have overlap in order to be balanced.
I am of the opinion that the original cast should have been given new weapons, relating to their stories. That would force the writers to involve more characters in more of each other's conflicts and it would naturally expand the gameplay in a really cool way while keeping them relevant.
If they were to make a new character, said character should be completely different than anything else and it would be a rare and very big deal.
Lots of characters are good for narratives, but few characters are generally better for balance, gameplay and actually forming connections and deep insight into the characters.
It'd be like if instead of Demoman being able to be the Demoknight, an entirely new character was created for that niche melee subclass. Except now that character has to be strong enough to compete against everything else otherwise there is a balance issue. So they buff the melee class to the point where it is super obnoxious to fight so it will be balanced against ranged weapons, rather than having a fun niche use as an alternative playstyle against certain opponents.
i'm not saying that mercy is good, but she definately isn't that outclassed in mobility. look at zen mobility and his hitbox
OW2 Mercy is not outclassed on Mobility except possibly by an exceptional Lucio player. The consistency of her flying aka super jump is just ridiculous.
@@benjaminlear1619 that's the main thing that felt off in this all comment. the mobility XD
Mercy is the only one with health regen in OW1, but Zen's regen via shield is very similar. They gave Zen a kick power-up since he doesn't have mobility, and in OW2 a support without that or some sort of defense is just going to die.
as for buffing Mercy, that isn't a decision that should be made due to them taking her passive and sharing it; it should be done based on her effectiveness and nothing less.
This video is one of the most well made videos I have ever seen in my life. So informative, and the way you described the 3 conditions at the beginning was masterful. Very well done
All your videos I've seen are great! I really appreciate the amount of depth you go into in each one. You leave no questions unanswered.
this channel is highly underrated. National Geographic voice.... no music, for asmr effect.... straight to the point, no 2 minute intro talking about what your going to talk about.... and oooOOOUUUU that numbers, i love the researched numbers. 5/5, 10/10, 2 thumbs up
3 Things to note:
1. Lucio's cross-fade does less self healing in OW2 compared to OW1
2. Zenyatta's health is back to 200 after the release of OW2
3. Baptiste's regenerative burst now heals 100 hp instantly (when he's 50% hp or lower), and another 50 over 5 seconds, in OW2.
Why tf is this so underrated
Man just keep going and you will be famous one day
Assuming Ana is able to self-nano, she slams the other supports in time.
actaully, nanoboost has a slight cast time sercoming to zens trans.
"Ahhktually..." 🤓☝️
@@Gav803 making fun of yourself before others can make fun of you I see.
@@Gav803 Forgot to switch accounts?
only in FFA+ im pretty sure trance is still faster
coming back to this a year later….
oh boy
Moira waiting everyone get healed at the end of the video: 🤡😑
Considering her passive is now on everyone and the reason she had it in the first place was she had no way to heal herself, I think the increased speed of regen she has should stay but she also has a second passive. It makes no since for her to basically have no passive compared to other supports. I would say it should also be increased from what it is even now, but that might be too much.
The video is so clean and so enjoyable to watch!
Love the detailed info on the mechanics and the clean and easy to understand graphics in your videos. You deserve a much bigger audience!
fun fact: this passive also activates upon any damage being interrupted by healing, which makes moira even more ridiculous because every time she kills an enemy, her passive kicks in. not to mention the comedically strong orb.
Why did I watch this. I don't even care about overwatch 2. The entire reason I watchd it is because the structure of your videos is actually phenomenal, so keep it up! You got a good thing going here man
Moira is a balanced character 🤓
Skill issue
should remake this video, would be fun and well received i think
Great video! Although too bad the new baptist shift came out after :(
ahh i was wondering about this. didnt noitce the date
New Baptiste shift? What did they change it to?
@@christiancasaverdepertica1802 it heals for 50 instantly, then 50 over time on activation (instead of 100 healing over time). Initial healing burst (of 50) is doubled if the target is below 50% hp, resulting in 100 instant heal, then 50 over time.
Such high quality, I'm very excited for your channel when Overwatch 2 drops
You didn't include that Ana can nano herself in ffa. Also, bap now does 100 instant healing with his shift
the production quality on these videos is superb
I hope they give mercy a burst of some sort. The normal regen just isn't as impactful as other healers which makes it sometimes frustrating to play.
We agree, they took her niche and gave it too all supports, but now shes the slowest of the bunch. Its a sad sight for mercy players
Yeah but she can also spam fly across the entire map with little cool down..
@@sunlessfiber5106 Lucio can wall ride across the entire map without cooldown
@@sunlessfiber5106 a dva will still interrupt the life regen from across the map by dealing 1 damage.
@@aquanis3963 it goes the same for ana, yet ana can't fly across the entire map...
This explains why every Moira I fight is constantly at like 5 hp maximum but still feels goddamn invincible
This reinforces my belief that Blizzard hate Mercy.
and as a mercy main, I feel ashamed to have almost 200 hours on her and know her the best when going into overwatch 2. the PvP beta was hard to go through since there wasn't much I could do besides abuse the new easy superjump to try and not die so quick since the dps are now faster.
Graphics and design are very nice, haven’t watched an ow RUclipsr in a minute but you make it interesting
This is some blizzard level breakdowns! Well done my man! 👍
Greatly appreciative all the detailed breakdowns! Incredible stuff.
When showing the healing per second at the end, is that self healing per second? It isn't stated, but will assume yes. Ana's nade wasn't included in the final section. Also, while increasing the health pools provides a nice visual and context at a greater scale, the abilities had to be modified to achieve these numbers (Moira's orb for example). Love the vid, but the last section is flawed and misleading.
The last section shows each character's maximum self-healing per second. Health was increased to better demonstrate these rates; they would not be able to sustain those rates for that long like you said. Ana's nade was excluded since it burst-heals 100hp on each use, so testing it did not make sense (her native healing also serves as a bare minimum 15hp/s to compare with the other characters).
I kinda wanna see this comparison with the new global passive and new supports included.
clean video
Wow, ive not seen such an amazing 'overwatch science' video in a looong time, keep it up dude
They need to buff mercy hard
these videos are really interesting and well put together please make more for OW
Unrelated but I wish there was a support hero that boosted ult charge for team members, or lowered cool downs.
sounds way too op
@@strikeiksp6629 bro imagine that support in ow 1 ? I can imagine heroes like doom or tracer to shred teams
I know this video was released beforehand, but something to consider now is that Baptiste also is getting a buff and his regenerative burst will heal 100 HP in a burst now just like Ana
Mercy needs a buff damnit. " A peerless healer" she's getting beat by a fucking DJ and literally everyone else.
She has no opportunity cost to her self healing and has one of the highest mobilities in the game.
@@penrilfake Okay but that doesn't change the fact that they decided to basically nerf her by giving her passive to every support and only give her a teensy buff to it. It's an insult. Not to mention in the beta her abilities were all fucked up so you couldn't even play her without being handicapped.
@@BlightedLight they didn’t… nerf her wtf are you talking about?? Mercy is really good in overwatch 2. If anything, she’s actually buffed. Superjump buff is irrelevant if you were already good at it, but now you can really focus on less targets when healing because theres one less tank to worry about. Tanks are basically 2-3 characters worth of healing
@@BlightedLight yeah, I don't know why other people are trying to make excuses on your comment lol. I feel like I would just want her to maybe get a healing buff or something simple like that cuz I'm scared she is going to be reworked when she is kinda the only character I enjoy
@@BlightedLight except they fixed the beta bugs and gave her a new option of movement?? Her passive still got a buff, she regens her own health 50% faster than her OW1 version and the rest of the cast. Going from 1 to 200 in 8 seconds is super good when the core of Mercy's gameplay is getting herself out of enemy LoS with her insane mobility. How is that an insult??
The tank changes are already conducive to her dps-pocket playstyle, so making her heal others even more would make her OP not because of her own kit, but bc of the dps she can pocket.
Your content is always SUCH high quality and I love the visuals you use
You explain it super well for a noob like me! Thank you for your insight!
Mercy: is meant to have the best self healing (without extra abilities)
Zenyatta: *amateurs*
I wonder if you could do this again with Season 9 reworking the support passive and increasing everyone's HP
Also, I think it should be clarified that the healing per second at the end of the video is self healing in case anyone missed that. Those numbers don't apply to allies.
Having the “healing” sound play every time you showed the health bars rise made me go “I need to retreat. I’m low.” in my game sense brain.
I don't even own this game. But I like your graphics, research and voice so I'm hooked
Watched 1 video by you sir and this is exactly what I'm looking for with OW2 content
the production quality on these videos are amazing 🤌
Your content is so incredibly good, your so underrated. Keep it up man
Would love this video again now with Mercy new healing Passive and Kirko with comparisons to DPS passives
Man brig needs something, now that she doesn't have a stun or another tank to push with
i remember the backlash when mercy got her self healing. now every single hero has it. heal-flation is real
Baps regenerative burst is like an Ana grenade now when they’re below half health. It heals for 100 instant and then an additional hundred over time
We’d love to see the same self healing analysis on kiriko, soldier, reaper or even hog
Would be cool if mercy self heal would increase or stay active if using healing beam on a low or critical target, so she could jump into a more precarious situation to try and save someone without just dying immediately
No clue why people saying Mercy needs more, she can literally fly to people every 2 seconds
Subscribed! This is great content for any OW player that mains a support character.
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Love how Moira can just throw out a damage orb and hold right click to drain a squishy in seconds and also heal herself in seconds, even greater for her she has an escape option. totally balanced character 🤠👍.
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I didn’t realize I watched one of your other videos earlier today
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this comparasion
way to detail and i like it how you explain it
Now you’ve got to remake this with Mercy’s new passive aha
I really really love the in depth programming reasons for stuff
I know I'm late to the game on this video but since I've been playing OverWatch2 I stumbled across this in my recommended and all I can say is please keep doing content like this I love the informative aspect and how smooth and clean everything is explained
Seeing this, I wonder if the devs would consider having valk give a little healing boost at the beginning. I'm not sure how it would affect gameplay in reality, but I've seen so many mercy players (including myself sometimes) pop valk when low health to try and survive, but they just die anyway and waste the ult. It definitely punishes you for misusing it, so it's probably fine as is.
One thing I see you didn't mention is that you continuously heal in valk, even while taking damage, so as long as damage received is less than what you've regenerated, you can be alright. That tidbit is particularly useful for burning from ashe's dynamite because you regen at the rate your damaged by the burn.
Baptiste is my favorite support, he just has a lot he can do. I'd personally say he's a harder moira with the strongest ability to keep people alive if played right.
This is very
well put together and neat, thanks!
I havent seen many people talk about it, so I’m gonna assume most people don’t know that Baptiste’s regen burst works differently in OW2. Instead of healing for a large amount of healing per second, it instead provides a burst of 50 HP, followed by 10 HP/s for 5 seconds. The initial burst is doubled if you’re below half health
In my opinion continually moira's grasp should not be counted as a passive self heal since Brig can an enemy hit once to activate her full heal for 6 seconds while Moira has to have access to damaging an enemy for the entire duration.
Triggering damage once and going into cover to reap its benefits is different to continually holding your right click on the enemy, without being able to hide or you'll break LOS.
Other than this, I loved this video keep it up. Your other videos are amazing too. Dropped a sub. Would love to see where your channel goes in a years time.
Changing the duration doesn't change the definition, just the window the passive is functioning. It's still a regenerative non burst heal that takes effect on hit.
personally i'm not sure how much i like this. on one hand it makes staying alive as a healer alot easier, on the other hand, it makes certain healers stand far above the rest due to how easily they can keep themself alive without having to back away from the front lines, personally i don't think anything should be done to the healers beyond improving their kits, they all work perfectly fine in overwatch, so the same will be true in the sequal. so in overwatch 2 basically everyone will be playing moira and having shouting matches over who is better and thats the most significant change that will be cuased. i'm in favor of completely reverting these changes in favor of just not touching them as long as Brigitte doesn't stun anymore, i'm happy.
in short: don't fix it if it ain't broken
Healers shouldn't be able to stay alive easily. Healers have always been too OP in OW considering you basically must use an ult if you actually wants to kill someone since everyone gets contantly healed.
@@LordPixel2012 agreed, ana, moira, and baptist are already very strong healers in the right hands. with ana having and keeping the burst healing crown since she was released. this new passive will only serve to make lower dmg characters that have more utility than outright dmg more unplayable since they won't be able to deal the dmg needed to instakill them. the only reason mercy gets away with a passive regen is because not only does she need to swap weapons to deal dmg, but her gun does significantly less dmg than anyone else in the game. everyother healer does not have these things, they all can heal and shot at the same time with ana and brigette having their healing directly tied to their primary fire and baptist bound to alt fire.
this change feels like another one of those "we changed something just to change something" changes that all modern devs are so fond of. i guess the term "if it ain't broken don't fix it" is dead in the modern world
Worth mentioning that ana's biotic grenade also increases healing per second for a few seconds after use - so you heal back to full slightly faster if you use it at the start, rather than at the end.
good info and top tier editing
Awesome Video man. Keep it up and when OW2 drops. Jeez, I don't know how many views you will get! The Hype will be real.
Keep up the content, as a guy who isn't interested in OW anymore, this was fascinating to watch
Your videos are honestly masterful
I don't know why people are calling Overwatch 2 underwhelming, they're copying TF2 harder than they ever have by adding passive healing to the medics.
Tbh they should have added this when Overwatch first released, so you don't have to glue the supports together or the supports don't have to run away if they get hit just a bit too much.
(really good video by the way, love the music and easy to grasp info)
Passive healing
5v5
Anti healing when shot
Big hit boxes
More health
All copied from paladins
no shit sherlock
kinda sad how mercy gets the boot a lot in ow2. I really like that they give all sups a regen, but ffs give mercy something more then since everyone got her passiv for free and they all had selfhealing abilitys to start with, makes her so much weaker in comparison u.u
Amazing video every support main needs to see!
I’m not even going to play OW2, but the quality of these videos are entrancing…
It’s honestly kinda amazing! Thanks for this insight!
Definitely interested in seeing an update to this. Since we're potentially getting another new support in April, I'd suggest waiting until they're released so the updated video isn't immediately outdated.
Unless this is a new thing but mercy heals herself when healing teammates so that should be taken into account