One thing that’s pretty neat about these two Origin Forms. Palkia’s signature move is “Spacial Rend”, using its claws to tear a hole in the fabric of reality. Origin Palkia loses its claws. Dialga’s signature move is “Roar of Time”, using its roar to… umm… do timey wimey stuff. Origin Dialga has a massive chunk of something blocking its throat and likely its vocal cords.
I always thought of Dialga’s, Roar of Time, as a wailing roar. Instead of hurting your eardrums, it’s hurting the past, present and future. A scream that’s focuses on everything, everywhere all at once.
I like to see them as 'Prototypal' forms, given how 'incomplete' they feel Palkia has shoulders with no arms, and Dialga looks weirdly naked, because it doesn't have its armour. That they look like Arceus' physical representation tells me whatever made them (Arceus itself or something else) used it as a basis, because there was probably not much life to reference from. Though that makes me question Giratina's appearance... maybe it was an attempt at making something 'different'? And then the process got elaborated on even more later. Btw, I also like how these designs seemingly also impact how they would use their signature moves, that's neat
I find it interesting how their origin form has the main body part that they use for their signature move absent or blocked. Palkia uses its arms for special rend, but origin palkia has no arms Dialga uses its mouth for roar of time, but its origin form has its mouth blocked
One thing i like about the Orgin forms is how there mouth plates match with Giratina's Dialga's shifts upwards, Palkia's shifts downwards, and Giratina's opens sideways.
I actually always felt like the OG designs where clunky and less than great during the original games in the 2000s but the new forms in Legends are some of the best designs in the series.
Agreed. The originals always felt like action figures marketed towards young boys to me. The newer forms look like eldritch deities that rule time and space.
Their origin forms to me cement the idea that Arceus really is meant to be more centaur-shaped. The "neck" is actually mostly torso but without arms. Palkia pulls this body shape off a little better, with the shoulder stubs in place of its arms. Dialga was already quadruped so the torso thing kinda gets lost a bit. I've always loved how jarring and bizarre their origin forms are.
For me I've really grown to appreciate Origin Dialga's design. Mostly. It still looks weird when the mouthguard lifts up though. I wouldn't of had it do that.
I always liked how weird a off-putting this designs where when they were first revealed, I always love when they push the boundaries of what a pokémon can look like
Fucking love Origin Dialga. The sharp/angular shapes on its body really looking like crystals shaped over an unknowable amount of time. Even the one on its neck protrudes as if it originated there. Also people have noted the legs looking kind of like compass points or the points on a dial. The shimmering of some highlights. Fucking banger idk what people are shitting on it for. Do people really want a generic, aesthetically pleasing, form to eldritch beings that are said to exist at the beginning of creation??? That defeats the purpose of the Origin forms. Those people are weak.
Yeah, I wasn’t sure about Origin Dialga at first, but it grew on me and I find it pretty alright now. Origin Palkia I liked since the start tho. The hate for both designs is unfair, but the one for Origin Palkia I didn’t get at all even at first.
I always enjoyed the origin forms of palkia and dialga more so dialga but I still really enjoyed them. Giratina still has the best one as it was the first to have an origin form.
(Dialga and Palkia get forms to mimic arceus) Dialga/Palkia: we wanted to be just like you dad when we grow up 😊 Arceus: thank you my children I'm glad I was able to at least raise two good children Giratina in a closed room: I HATE YOU DAD WHY WON'T YOU DIE WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's literally the other eay around lmao Dialga and Palkia were "just like Arceus" and then changef into the Forms seen in Gen4 Giratina was made as a noodle and then it took a body-plan more similar to Arceus's for the Altered Form
The thing with Arceus’ design is that it could probably be based on the Llama as body shape, as they were used to be vessel of gods to communicate with
I have actually come to appreciate the origin forms more than the base ones. They are so alien that I can see these beasts being the incarnation of amorph concepts such as time and space. Yes, they both affect the physical world on a fundamental level but have no physical "form". Origin Dialga looks like a bulky little sauropod tried fusing with diamonds, clockwork and a picture of Arceus in an alchemy experiment gone wrong. It looks more diamond/clock than animal to me. Love it. Origin Palkia is the more 'animal' looking one, maybe for contrast? The horse bit could be how running in vast spaces is commonly associated with horses, not necessarily having anything to do with the mythical creature centaur. I'm a horse girl for it. But I think the position of the pearls is weird. It is a focal point in the design so more often than not (especially if motionless) I'm left thinking of armless regular Palkia first and the centaur half second. In conclusion, Feraligatr is the best ❤
This video is JUST what I've looking for! I've had a hyperfixation on the designs & parallels of the creation trio since I saw their Bulbapedia article ~ 12 years ago. Looking at the new forms, I knew my dislike for them was mostly me being an obssessive grumpy old veteran. Yet I was surprised to find that as many people liked them. Especially Palkia, which caused me to go back into a deep dive into the introductory form and asking what is appealing about Palkia for it's fans: "It pink", "Water Dragon strong typing", "Dino dragon are rad", "I like pink". Which doesn't feel very satisfactory for me and my taste / expectations. I'm now designing my own take on Palkia, with so many notes that I want to learn how to make video essays just so I can talk about my over obsessive findings. I say obsessive, but I still haven't beaten the game. I bought PLA on release, but I've had difficulty balancing my free time with other hobbies to actually finish the story experience for myself whilst also avoiding spoilers as much as possible for the last few years (R.I.P. Surprise sudden but inevitable betrayal.) This video was very helpful for me to use as a resource on what people appreciate about Origin Palkia. I hope one day, sometime soon, I can share more thoughts about them and the creation trio to some of the viewers here. Thanks GatorEX for making the video, and thank you viewer for reading my little rant about fictional Dino-Dragon / Organo-Mech gods.
BONUS ARCEUS FACTS: Arceus indeed has many different inspirations, but the obvious one is Buddha. This is due to Arceus's torso crest bearing a striking resemblance to the Dharma wheel and the "thousand hands" reference in the Pokédex. Arceus has a motif of "light". Most of the iconography I've found relating to Arcues in this regard seems to be shared with both Buddha and Judeo-Christian artwork. I still haven't finished PLA yet, so maybe there's some of that Zoroastrian / Judeo-Christian "Light = good and God, Darkness = bad", that I haven't seen yet. Arceus base colours of yellow and white could represent the aureola: A cloud that refracts the sun's light to appear golden, which appears in artwork of heavenly beings coming to earth. Arceus's beta sprite and glow in the PLA opening could represent the judeo-christian god, a la the burning bush. The diffraction of light in the opening, as well as how Arceus uses the type plates in the anime, also suggest something else. Arceus's crest also represents light diffraction, with the plates being the different colours of light. A front facing view of Arceus using the plates might look like a candle difracting light. If we can take the iconography of Ultra-necrozma's (and Shagaru Magala's from Monster Hunter for some reason) base colour of yellow, perhaps Shiny Arceus is meant to be literally shiny, if not the shiniest shiny that ever shined. As for the hoofed animal thing, it probably has to do with the sacredness of work animals in southern and Central Asia. Most know that killing a cow is taboo in many parts of India, but this was true to varying degrees for much of the history of china and other central asian cultures. This is partially why horses are so sacred in Mongolian culture. It's also likely that it's because hoofed animals are seen as more majestic than most and occur widely (except here in Oceania, lol). I also believe the plates of Arceus has to do with traditional carving practises of the Ainu. In some parts of Hokkaido, the indigenous folk have a very special relation to carvings with wooden plates. Kind of ironic considering that much of Sinnoh's grand creation lore, with the likeness to Shinto Kami, is in contrast to a lot of real life Hokkaido's indigenous beliefs being more concerned with the physical and spiritual health of the local environment in the Kamui. At least to my knowledge. I'm probably digging too deep. Anyway, thanks for reading again.
This video was a step up from your usual ones, with greater enthusiasm you present compelling opinions and observations on an often maligned Pokémon. I had not realized some of those things about Origin Palkia, the bit about it being akin to chimeras found in mythology and religion is an intriguing parallel. Can’t say you’ve turned me into a fan but I do respect it more now. The jokes were also funnier this time around I think.
Diamond was my first game but between this and Cyrus having one in Masters made me more of a Palkia fan. Origin Palkia feels much more out of this world as a diety. Dialga feels like it’s almost there but the legs feel too goofy. I like the common theory of Palkia losing its arms and Dialga having that weird spear in its throat as them losing full control of their signatures moves. Palkia can’t slash to use Spacial Rend and Dialga can’t roar to use Roar of Time. That could explain why their moves get less accurate but more powerful in their Origin forms.
Always been a Dialga person, it was the third legendary I was ever exposed too and was on a sick pokemon card. And playing smash brawl and seeing it all the time it was easily my favorite. Love the blue and metallic design and then getting it as my second legendary in pokemon go it did me a lot of good. I've grown more to love Palkia over the years and with more dynamic art and seeing it move honestly in those cases it looks cooler. The origin forms I used to not like but now I've grown really attached and just embraced them especially after the Pokemon Go sinnoh tour. Im hoping to build the altered and origin forms and maxing them out in Go.
They are the ultimate forms, They are a bit goofy but fitting that are unique and also graceful. They are closer to god but lost there dragon-body bit. I do like ring touch. Also we need those boss battle to return. Giritinia is the best.
I’ve liked them since I first saw them! I’m more a Dialga fan but since I picked Pearl clan during my first run of Arceus and ended up seeing Origin Dialga! I think the forms are so unique and the more time we’ve had with them the more I like the designs! I love how you can see in their Origin Forms that they’re mimicking Arceus and if you take Palkia’s ring & Dialga’s X from their torsos & out them together, it makes Arceus’s crest. That’s a detail I found out myself and I’m very proud of that fact, obviously other people found it out later on, but ya know, I’m happy that I noticed it before it being pointed out to me!
it's because regular palkia is apparently vaguely shaped in a phallic manner and the 12 year olds in the fandom have an incessant need to sexualize everything
Unpopular opinion but I like the biblically accurate Dialga/Palkia more than the originals. They always were my least favorite mascots due to them just feeling really generically cool, so this really helped enhance them for me.
I tend to agree. But they really should've either given palkia arms or changed the form of the shoulders to make them feel less goofy. Otherwise it's a great design
I adore both to be honest. I love both the default majestic dragons and the more ethereal and otherworldly overseers of the universe. I think I sliiightly prefer the original designs but a lot of that probably is just because those are the designs I'm used to and I do see the vision with their origin forms and appreciate it a lot.
Primal Palkia looks like a knight or centurion fused with the horse it rides. I like it the best of the three origin forms in terms of usage in battle, the speed boost is very nice and being locked into Lustrous Orb is fine since Water/Dragon STAB is excellent.
Pearl was my first ever pokemon game and when I first got it I'm pretty positive I was still in my horsegirl phase so Pegasus Palkia catered very specifically to my 8/9-y-o self deep within the most distant corners of my brain. (I was also super into spies back then so Intelleon had a very similar feeling. Young me would've been starstruck with Gen VIII)
I think it being quadrapedal prior to LA would've been a cool parallel with it finally sitting up. I was forced to warm up to this guy because I had to raid him 35 times to get the shiny on go fest. (Ftr I caught 3 shiny dialga in 5 raids)
So like, Origin Palkia’s design is aight, I think the thing that makes it feel so off, are the like shield shaped shoulders, if that was more sleek it wouldn’t look as uncanny
People say they look intentionally unsettling or “biblically accurate” but I just laughed my ass off when origin palkia appeared. It’s more goofy than scary
I still remember accidentally spoiling the designs for myself on twitter- I scrolled past some fan art (or maybe the official art? I forget) and kept going, thinking "oh, that's an incentive concept"... And then realizing it was actually TOO weird to be fan stuff and this was real lol I actually like Dialga's origin form more than Palkia's. The girdle is simpler than Palkia's and doesn't look quite as much as though it's made of plastic, and the fact that Palkia's lower body is almost JUST a horse was kind of off-putting/distracting. I like that Dialga is now all angles to further contrast Palkia's rounded, flowing shapes.
I personally find the origin forms for Dialga and Palkia to be kinda goofy looking (Dialga especially). Compared to Giratina's origin form they look goofy as heck. I feel like it would look slightly better if Origin Palkia has arms, to resemble more of a centaur... Instead, he still has the shoulder-pad looking things, but no arms, and it makes the design look off.
I personally wish it either lost the torso and had the shoulder pearls rest at the sides like shields or just went full Centaur. Its a cool design but that uncanny valley brings it down a few points.
It feels so weird mainly because it feels like Origin Palkia should have arms. Like I get making it a centaur, but its side looks like it would attach to an arm, like in the base design.
I was already a fan of Dialga & seeing its origin forme was special. As far as Origin Palkia goes, it’s certainly grown on me however; I do agree with the majority that if the origin forme kept Palkia’s arms it’d be better looking
Origin Dialga’s forelegs should have been the same as their hindlegs. I love Origin Palkia! Also, the fact that Origin Palkia’s design goes along with the Ancient Greek theme.
@@FoxGalahArtStuff same but I think arceus punished them bc they were mimicking him. Spacial rend requires palkia's arms, they are gone! Roar of time requires dialga's voice, his throat is blocked!
My main problem with Origin Dialga/Palkia is that Origin Giratina doesn't make sense alongside them. Sure, Giratina is the rebellious child, but that couldn't have been known before it was even made, so why doesn't it also look like Arceus?
I like Palkia in the Altered form more than the Origin form, just like the dinosaur build more, funny enough I like Origin Dialga more than Altered, might be cause I like the shape more
I'll always think of Origin Dialga and Palkia as less "primordial" as if it's an original form, and more like it's been driven to try and copy Arceus in a bid for more power in their confusion and rage from the rift, maybe emulating both Arceus and Giratina in that regard. That said, I LOVE the origin forms of Dialga and Palkia, they just look so awkward and _wrong,_ like they Should Not _Be._ Seeing them for the first time ingame being so shocking and almost disturbing, and then being hit with eurobeat of all things???? Combining the two made for a fantastic experience. The difficult fight mixed with all of these fun factors made for a huge smile on my face while I was yelling in panic. 1000/10 game
I love Palkia-O, and ever since I saw that base speed, I was thrilled for it in competitive. Bu then, the Gen 8 and 9 legendaries ruined the concept of high speed tiers for Ubers. The keeping of Pressure as an ability also didn’t do it any favors
It's interesting that you mention Laventon because while he does believe that Origin Dialga to be its true form, Origin Palkia is instead called Palkia's strategy to gain Arceus's powers It's a distinction that goes back to his entries of their normal forms too, where Dialga is called a revered Deity while Palkia is called a feared Deity Those are technically a small distinction, but in general it seems to me that PLA somewhat wants to depict Palkia in a light that's a bit more sinister than Dialga's
Somehow it connects to Explorers of Sky all of sudden considering how much of an aggressive enforcer Palkia was and Dialga appearing more of a benevolent observer or the fact when you deny recruiting Dialga to your team he walks away sulky and disappointed
I love the origin forms for both Palkia and Dialga. I know that a lot of people don't like them because they seem chaotic and unsettling, but that's the entire point. They're ancient eldritch deities trying to mimic their creator, they're meant to look out of place.
A more or less interesting fact about Origin Palkia: It is the best Pokemon to use in Pokemon Go in the Master League, which is the league with all the legendaries, so you actually do see it very often there^^
I've gone back and forth over whether I like base Palkia or Dialga more over the years, but generally I have the opposite opinion to you. I wonder if we're less inclined to like the origin forms of the one whose regular form we prefer, but the origin form of the other one gives us something new to appreciate?
I never liked Palkia's design with its head hunched forward awkwardly like that. But the origin form, oh boy does it hit right. Making the base form quadrupedal fixes everything tho, I'm tempted to draw it too
I love Dialga's original design more than Palkia's but they destroyed origin form Dialga design wise. Palkia's design looks real cool although I wish it had it's hands in ghost form. Just floating translucent limbs
I like Palkia and Dialga's origin forms, but they feel incomplete in a meta way. The gradients and lack of detail on their lower body (especially in origin Palkia) make the designs look like the devs ran out of time. I like how weird they are, but I feel like they needed more time in the oven. I do see the vision tho, something about the true forms of the gods of space and time being horse dragons is really striking to me. Origin Palkia pulls this off better to me, and I agree that Dialga doesn't look different enough.
I like both Palkia's designs, as for Dialga's not so much for the origin one, the neck and those two spikes on it's feet don't look good like it shallow something, and got stuck in It's throat. It's other dinosaur form is good though.
I definitely prefer Palkia’s Origin forme; I prefer Palkia over Dialga in general. But I eventually came around to Origin Dialga after building a deck around it in the TCG. It’s such a fun card and takes advantage of the comfort a lot of meta decks play their engines onto the bench with. And it’s even better now with the Temporal Forces Metang!
Love this channel. We have similar interests in Pokémon. Always was a Pearl guy myself. Although i like Altered Palkia better than Origin Form. Origin has definitely grown on me.
1:30 Im not sure if you meant to leave it like that or not but Im pretty sure the art work of Giratina is supposed to be upside down to fit into the whole art
Centaur Palkia with no arms is just weird to me. I like Origin Dialga's design, though the spikes protruding from its knees are a little awkward looking.
Pokemon Pearl was my first Pokemon game. I owned way back in 2006, so Palkia has always been a favorite. Also, Spacial Rend is such a badass move name 😂 The 20-year anniversary is almost coming up for Gen 4, too. lol we're getting old 😩😩😂😂
i used to LOVE origin dialga and hate origin palkia but my opinions on them have more or less flipped, but i still don’t think dialga’s origin form is necessarily bad
Bibically Accurate Angel Dialga and Palkia go hard since both designs are created from Arecus. The themes are bangers to for PLA!
extremely underrated designs
One thing that’s pretty neat about these two Origin Forms.
Palkia’s signature move is “Spacial Rend”, using its claws to tear a hole in the fabric of reality. Origin Palkia loses its claws.
Dialga’s signature move is “Roar of Time”, using its roar to… umm… do timey wimey stuff. Origin Dialga has a massive chunk of something blocking its throat and likely its vocal cords.
Reminds me of the ruined regi-trio
I always thought of Dialga’s, Roar of Time, as a wailing roar. Instead of hurting your eardrums, it’s hurting the past, present and future. A scream that’s focuses on everything, everywhere all at once.
I like to see them as 'Prototypal' forms, given how 'incomplete' they feel
Palkia has shoulders with no arms, and Dialga looks weirdly naked, because it doesn't have its armour.
That they look like Arceus' physical representation tells me whatever made them (Arceus itself or something else) used it as a basis, because there was probably not much life to reference from.
Though that makes me question Giratina's appearance... maybe it was an attempt at making something 'different'? And then the process got elaborated on even more later.
Btw, I also like how these designs seemingly also impact how they would use their signature moves, that's neat
This is literally EXACTLY what I thought about the trio in this game (and I absolutely love it)
I find it interesting how their origin form has the main body part that they use for their signature move absent or blocked.
Palkia uses its arms for special rend, but origin palkia has no arms
Dialga uses its mouth for roar of time, but its origin form has its mouth blocked
One thing i like about the Orgin forms is how there mouth plates match with Giratina's
Dialga's shifts upwards, Palkia's shifts downwards, and Giratina's opens sideways.
I actually always felt like the OG designs where clunky and less than great during the original games in the 2000s but the new forms in Legends are some of the best designs in the series.
Agreed. The originals always felt like action figures marketed towards young boys to me. The newer forms look like eldritch deities that rule time and space.
Their origin forms to me cement the idea that Arceus really is meant to be more centaur-shaped. The "neck" is actually mostly torso but without arms.
Palkia pulls this body shape off a little better, with the shoulder stubs in place of its arms. Dialga was already quadruped so the torso thing kinda gets lost a bit. I've always loved how jarring and bizarre their origin forms are.
Palkia looks goofy when standing still but downright scary when in movement. I literally got goosebumps when he got out of that sky portal in PLA.
Origin Palkia definitely grew on me. love it now. it's like those ancient Babylonian statues of their gods.
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO ALSO LOVES MY BELOVED ORIGIN FORM PALKIA😭 I’m so happy rn
For me I've really grown to appreciate Origin Dialga's design. Mostly.
It still looks weird when the mouthguard lifts up though. I wouldn't of had it do that.
Finally someone who appreciates Origin Palkia’s design
I always liked how weird a off-putting this designs where when they were first revealed, I always love when they push the boundaries of what a pokémon can look like
Fucking love Origin Dialga. The sharp/angular shapes on its body really looking like crystals shaped over an unknowable amount of time. Even the one on its neck protrudes as if it originated there. Also people have noted the legs looking kind of like compass points or the points on a dial. The shimmering of some highlights. Fucking banger idk what people are shitting on it for. Do people really want a generic, aesthetically pleasing, form to eldritch beings that are said to exist at the beginning of creation??? That defeats the purpose of the Origin forms. Those people are weak.
Yeah, I wasn’t sure about Origin Dialga at first, but it grew on me and I find it pretty alright now.
Origin Palkia I liked since the start tho. The hate for both designs is unfair, but the one for Origin Palkia I didn’t get at all even at first.
Thank you thank you to whoever gifted me a membership recently, getting shouted out by GatorEX is just too cool!
I always enjoyed the origin forms of palkia and dialga more so dialga but I still really enjoyed them. Giratina still has the best one as it was the first to have an origin form.
(Dialga and Palkia get forms to mimic arceus)
Dialga/Palkia: we wanted to be just like you dad when we grow up 😊
Arceus: thank you my children I'm glad I was able to at least raise two good children
Giratina in a closed room: I HATE YOU DAD WHY WON'T YOU DIE WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's literally the other eay around lmao
Dialga and Palkia were "just like Arceus" and then changef into the Forms seen in Gen4
Giratina was made as a noodle and then it took a body-plan more similar to Arceus's for the Altered Form
You said everything I’ve been saying about them for years now. Thank you
The thing with Arceus’ design is that it could probably be based on the Llama as body shape, as they were used to be vessel of gods to communicate with
I have actually come to appreciate the origin forms more than the base ones. They are so alien that I can see these beasts being the incarnation of amorph concepts such as time and space. Yes, they both affect the physical world on a fundamental level but have no physical "form". Origin Dialga looks like a bulky little sauropod tried fusing with diamonds, clockwork and a picture of Arceus in an alchemy experiment gone wrong. It looks more diamond/clock than animal to me. Love it.
Origin Palkia is the more 'animal' looking one, maybe for contrast? The horse bit could be how running in vast spaces is commonly associated with horses, not necessarily having anything to do with the mythical creature centaur. I'm a horse girl for it. But I think the position of the pearls is weird. It is a focal point in the design so more often than not (especially if motionless) I'm left thinking of armless regular Palkia first and the centaur half second.
In conclusion, Feraligatr is the best ❤
I always liked the amputee centaur. The no arms and wings always reminded me of the Cresens Gear from Xenogears.
I like how unique they are
This video is JUST what I've looking for! I've had a hyperfixation on the designs & parallels of the creation trio since I saw their Bulbapedia article
~ 12 years ago. Looking at the new forms, I knew my dislike for them was mostly me being an obssessive grumpy old veteran. Yet I was surprised to find that as many people liked them. Especially Palkia, which caused me to go back into a deep dive into the introductory form and asking what is appealing about Palkia for it's fans:
"It pink", "Water Dragon strong typing", "Dino dragon are rad", "I like pink". Which doesn't feel very satisfactory for me and my taste / expectations. I'm now designing my own take on Palkia, with so many notes that I want to learn how to make video essays just so I can talk about my over obsessive findings.
I say obsessive, but I still haven't beaten the game. I bought PLA on release, but I've had difficulty balancing my free time with other hobbies to actually finish the story experience for myself whilst also avoiding spoilers as much as possible for the last few years (R.I.P. Surprise sudden but inevitable betrayal.) This video was very helpful for me to use as a resource on what people appreciate about Origin Palkia. I hope one day, sometime soon, I can share more thoughts about them and the creation trio to some of the viewers here.
Thanks GatorEX for making the video, and thank you viewer for reading my little rant about fictional Dino-Dragon / Organo-Mech gods.
BONUS ARCEUS FACTS:
Arceus indeed has many different inspirations, but the obvious one is Buddha. This is due to Arceus's torso crest bearing a striking resemblance to the Dharma wheel and the "thousand hands" reference in the Pokédex. Arceus has a motif of "light". Most of the iconography I've found relating to Arcues in this regard seems to be shared with both Buddha and Judeo-Christian artwork. I still haven't finished PLA yet, so maybe there's some of that Zoroastrian / Judeo-Christian "Light = good and God, Darkness = bad", that I haven't seen yet. Arceus base colours of yellow and white could represent the aureola: A cloud that refracts the sun's light to appear golden, which appears in artwork of heavenly beings coming to earth. Arceus's beta sprite and glow in the PLA opening could represent the judeo-christian god, a la the burning bush. The diffraction of light in the opening, as well as how Arceus uses the type plates in the anime, also suggest something else. Arceus's crest also represents light diffraction, with the plates being the different colours of light. A front facing view of Arceus using the plates might look like a candle difracting light. If we can take the iconography of Ultra-necrozma's (and Shagaru Magala's from Monster Hunter for some reason) base colour of yellow, perhaps Shiny Arceus is meant to be literally shiny, if not the shiniest shiny that ever shined.
As for the hoofed animal thing, it probably has to do with the sacredness of work animals in southern and Central Asia. Most know that killing a cow is taboo in many parts of India, but this was true to varying degrees for much of the history of china and other central asian cultures. This is partially why horses are so sacred in Mongolian culture. It's also likely that it's because hoofed animals are seen as more majestic than most and occur widely (except here in Oceania, lol).
I also believe the plates of Arceus has to do with traditional carving practises of the Ainu. In some parts of Hokkaido, the indigenous folk have a very special relation to carvings with wooden plates. Kind of ironic considering that much of Sinnoh's grand creation lore, with the likeness to Shinto Kami, is in contrast to a lot of real life Hokkaido's indigenous beliefs being more concerned with the physical and spiritual health of the local environment in the Kamui. At least to my knowledge. I'm probably digging too deep. Anyway, thanks for reading again.
This video was a step up from your usual ones, with greater enthusiasm you present compelling opinions and observations on an often maligned Pokémon. I had not realized some of those things about Origin Palkia, the bit about it being akin to chimeras found in mythology and religion is an intriguing parallel. Can’t say you’ve turned me into a fan but I do respect it more now. The jokes were also funnier this time around I think.
Diamond was my first game but between this and Cyrus having one in Masters made me more of a Palkia fan. Origin Palkia feels much more out of this world as a diety. Dialga feels like it’s almost there but the legs feel too goofy.
I like the common theory of Palkia losing its arms and Dialga having that weird spear in its throat as them losing full control of their signatures moves. Palkia can’t slash to use Spacial Rend and Dialga can’t roar to use Roar of Time. That could explain why their moves get less accurate but more powerful in their Origin forms.
These origin forms are AMAZING
Irida: Akari…the horse is here
6:21 You thought you were a gator enjoyer, but really you were a horse enjoyer!
Always been a Dialga person, it was the third legendary I was ever exposed too and was on a sick pokemon card. And playing smash brawl and seeing it all the time it was easily my favorite. Love the blue and metallic design and then getting it as my second legendary in pokemon go it did me a lot of good. I've grown more to love Palkia over the years and with more dynamic art and seeing it move honestly in those cases it looks cooler. The origin forms I used to not like but now I've grown really attached and just embraced them especially after the Pokemon Go sinnoh tour. Im hoping to build the altered and origin forms and maxing them out in Go.
They are the ultimate forms, They are a bit goofy but fitting that are unique and also graceful. They are closer to god but lost there dragon-body bit.
I do like ring touch. Also we need those boss battle to return.
Giritinia is the best.
If only they had different abilities to their regular forms and dialga’s didn’t feel like a downgrade from its regular form competitively.
I’ve liked them since I first saw them! I’m more a Dialga fan but since I picked Pearl clan during my first run of Arceus and ended up seeing Origin Dialga! I think the forms are so unique and the more time we’ve had with them the more I like the designs! I love how you can see in their Origin Forms that they’re mimicking Arceus and if you take Palkia’s ring & Dialga’s X from their torsos & out them together, it makes Arceus’s crest. That’s a detail I found out myself and I’m very proud of that fact, obviously other people found it out later on, but ya know, I’m happy that I noticed it before it being pointed out to me!
5:48 poor Tatsugiri
And Dracovish
Any video that gives Palkia praise is great. It's one of the most hated and neglected legendaries, and I don't know why.
it's because regular palkia is apparently vaguely shaped in a phallic manner and the 12 year olds in the fandom have an incessant need to sexualize everything
Unpopular opinion but I like the biblically accurate Dialga/Palkia more than the originals. They always were my least favorite mascots due to them just feeling really generically cool, so this really helped enhance them for me.
I tend to agree. But they really should've either given palkia arms or changed the form of the shoulders to make them feel less goofy. Otherwise it's a great design
@@docomega7862 I get that, I don’t think giving Palkia arms would’ve detracted too much from its appeal.
I adore both to be honest. I love both the default majestic dragons and the more ethereal and otherworldly overseers of the universe. I think I sliiightly prefer the original designs but a lot of that probably is just because those are the designs I'm used to and I do see the vision with their origin forms and appreciate it a lot.
I love those designs so much
Primal Palkia looks like a knight or centurion fused with the horse it rides. I like it the best of the three origin forms in terms of usage in battle, the speed boost is very nice and being locked into Lustrous Orb is fine since Water/Dragon STAB is excellent.
6:19 one of the best GatorEX quotes I've ever heard
Pearl was my first ever pokemon game and when I first got it I'm pretty positive I was still in my horsegirl phase so Pegasus Palkia catered very specifically to my 8/9-y-o self deep within the most distant corners of my brain.
(I was also super into spies back then so Intelleon had a very similar feeling. Young me would've been starstruck with Gen VIII)
I think it being quadrapedal prior to LA would've been a cool parallel with it finally sitting up.
I was forced to warm up to this guy because I had to raid him 35 times to get the shiny on go fest. (Ftr I caught 3 shiny dialga in 5 raids)
So like, Origin Palkia’s design is aight, I think the thing that makes it feel so off, are the like shield shaped shoulders, if that was more sleek it wouldn’t look as uncanny
So what if Dialga Origin Form looks like he's hiding a PS5 in his throat? I love him 🥺
“We outta PS5’s”
People say they look intentionally unsettling or “biblically accurate” but I just laughed my ass off when origin palkia appeared. It’s more goofy than scary
I love origin palkia. It looks weird and cool. But dialga looks like when a cartoon gets a fork stuck in their throat.
I still remember accidentally spoiling the designs for myself on twitter- I scrolled past some fan art (or maybe the official art? I forget) and kept going, thinking "oh, that's an incentive concept"... And then realizing it was actually TOO weird to be fan stuff and this was real lol
I actually like Dialga's origin form more than Palkia's. The girdle is simpler than Palkia's and doesn't look quite as much as though it's made of plastic, and the fact that Palkia's lower body is almost JUST a horse was kind of off-putting/distracting. I like that Dialga is now all angles to further contrast Palkia's rounded, flowing shapes.
I never liked Palkia
Dialga was cool for me, but when I saw Origin Forms... I loved Dialga even more and started liking Palkia
I personally find the origin forms for Dialga and Palkia to be kinda goofy looking (Dialga especially). Compared to Giratina's origin form they look goofy as heck.
I feel like it would look slightly better if Origin Palkia has arms, to resemble more of a centaur... Instead, he still has the shoulder-pad looking things, but no arms, and it makes the design look off.
It will never ever stop annoying me that Origin Palkia has no arms.
I personally wish it either lost the torso and had the shoulder pearls rest at the sides like shields or just went full Centaur. Its a cool design but that uncanny valley brings it down a few points.
It feels so weird mainly because it feels like Origin Palkia should have arms. Like I get making it a centaur, but its side looks like it would attach to an arm, like in the base design.
I'm glad someone else is defending Biblically Accurate Palkia
I loved the boss fight against it💯💯💯
This is another case of the 2D art being FAR superior to the 3D model. Origin palkia's key art is so good!
I was already a fan of Dialga & seeing its origin forme was special.
As far as Origin Palkia goes, it’s certainly grown on me however; I do agree with the majority that if the origin forme kept Palkia’s arms it’d be better looking
Origin Dialga’s forelegs should have been the same as their hindlegs. I love Origin Palkia! Also, the fact that Origin Palkia’s design goes along with the Ancient Greek theme.
Origin palkia is peak 🥹
Finally! Someone else who loves Origin Palkia!
I don't get why people hate Palkia, very cool and ominous horse centaur thing, having arms would take away from it
But where are his arrrrrms? He's like a centaur, but they're just missing!
My headcanon that it is trying to mimic Arceus (which is implied to be canon), but the mimicry isn't perfect, resulting in it having no arms.
@@FoxGalahArtStuff same but I think arceus punished them bc they were mimicking him. Spacial rend requires palkia's arms, they are gone! Roar of time requires dialga's voice, his throat is blocked!
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That makes sense!
I agree!
In order to mimic arceus he needs to lose his arms and gain an extra pair of legs so what does palkia do? Turn his arms into legs
Origin Palkia is SOOOOOO underrated.
My main problem with Origin Dialga/Palkia is that Origin Giratina doesn't make sense alongside them. Sure, Giratina is the rebellious child, but that couldn't have been known before it was even made, so why doesn't it also look like Arceus?
Does anyone else think palkias orgin form is a bust with no arms
I am glad you like it too!
Yeah I agree the forms went hard! Especially Palkia! GF snapped with Sinnoh.
I love them cause of how weird they are
4:40 omfg, that quadrupedal Palkia is amazing
I love both origin forms and the reason they gave for it.
I like Palkia in the Altered form more than the Origin form, just like the dinosaur build more, funny enough I like Origin Dialga more than Altered, might be cause I like the shape more
I'll always think of Origin Dialga and Palkia as less "primordial" as if it's an original form, and more like it's been driven to try and copy Arceus in a bid for more power in their confusion and rage from the rift, maybe emulating both Arceus and Giratina in that regard.
That said, I LOVE the origin forms of Dialga and Palkia, they just look so awkward and _wrong,_ like they Should Not _Be._ Seeing them for the first time ingame being so shocking and almost disturbing, and then being hit with eurobeat of all things???? Combining the two made for a fantastic experience. The difficult fight mixed with all of these fun factors made for a huge smile on my face while I was yelling in panic. 1000/10 game
I love Palkia-O, and ever since I saw that base speed, I was thrilled for it in competitive. Bu then, the Gen 8 and 9 legendaries ruined the concept of high speed tiers for Ubers. The keeping of Pressure as an ability also didn’t do it any favors
It's interesting that you mention Laventon because while he does believe that Origin Dialga to be its true form, Origin Palkia is instead called Palkia's strategy to gain Arceus's powers
It's a distinction that goes back to his entries of their normal forms too, where Dialga is called a revered Deity while Palkia is called a feared Deity
Those are technically a small distinction, but in general it seems to me that PLA somewhat wants to depict Palkia in a light that's a bit more sinister than Dialga's
Somehow it connects to Explorers of Sky all of sudden considering how much of an aggressive enforcer Palkia was and Dialga appearing more of a benevolent observer or the fact when you deny recruiting Dialga to your team he walks away sulky and disappointed
I love the origin forms for both Palkia and Dialga. I know that a lot of people don't like them because they seem chaotic and unsettling, but that's the entire point. They're ancient eldritch deities trying to mimic their creator, they're meant to look out of place.
And for dialga they managed to do that. Butpalkia's shoulders? They don't look eldritch or unsettling. They just look goofy
A more or less interesting fact about Origin Palkia: It is the best Pokemon to use in Pokemon Go in the Master League, which is the league with all the legendaries, so you actually do see it very often there^^
Origin Palkia clears origin Dialga designwise
But regular Dialga clears base Palkia so it evens out
I've gone back and forth over whether I like base Palkia or Dialga more over the years, but generally I have the opposite opinion to you. I wonder if we're less inclined to like the origin forms of the one whose regular form we prefer, but the origin form of the other one gives us something new to appreciate?
I love horses, best of all the animals. I love horses, they're my friends
They just want to dress up to be like their dad🤣 except Giratina he’s the rebellious one
I never liked Palkia's design with its head hunched forward awkwardly like that. But the origin form, oh boy does it hit right.
Making the base form quadrupedal fixes everything tho, I'm tempted to draw it too
If Origin Dialga didn't look like it was choking on a barrel all the time, it'd probably have a good design, but yea Origin Palkia looks far better.
I mean
Least that’s the point
It loses the ability to properly use Roar of Time because of that
I love Dialga's original design more than Palkia's but they destroyed origin form Dialga design wise. Palkia's design looks real cool although I wish it had it's hands in ghost form. Just floating translucent limbs
Arceus is normal type but even arceus probably knew the power of dragon type pokemon so that's probably why the creation trio are dragon type
I like Palkia and Dialga's origin forms, but they feel incomplete in a meta way. The gradients and lack of detail on their lower body (especially in origin Palkia) make the designs look like the devs ran out of time. I like how weird they are, but I feel like they needed more time in the oven.
I do see the vision tho, something about the true forms of the gods of space and time being horse dragons is really striking to me. Origin Palkia pulls this off better to me, and I agree that Dialga doesn't look different enough.
It honestly doesnt matter if a game spin off or not so mystery dungeon still valid
I love these. People just don’t understand Pokémon design.
If only diagla origin turn into a two-legged Pokémon.
I like both Palkia's designs, as for Dialga's not so much for the origin one, the neck and those two spikes on it's feet don't look good like it shallow something, and got stuck in It's throat. It's other dinosaur form is good though.
I like the centurion helmet of O palkia.
High chair dragon and Centaursaurus.
I definitely prefer Palkia’s Origin forme; I prefer Palkia over Dialga in general. But I eventually came around to Origin Dialga after building a deck around it in the TCG.
It’s such a fun card and takes advantage of the comfort a lot of meta decks play their engines onto the bench with. And it’s even better now with the Temporal Forces Metang!
Fun fact for you, did you know that the great God of the Pokémon world is actually... just a llama
You forgot to talk about the Amazing Alt Arts in the TCG
Honestly love that Palkia becomes a centaur
Love this channel. We have similar interests in Pokémon. Always was a Pearl guy myself. Although i like Altered Palkia better than Origin Form. Origin has definitely grown on me.
I don’t really get the weird rectangle on origin Dialga’s neck, but otherwise it looks cool. Origin Palkia is definitely the more cool design imo.
1:30 Im not sure if you meant to leave it like that or not but Im pretty sure the art work of Giratina is supposed to be upside down to fit into the whole art
Centaur Palkia with no arms is just weird to me. I like Origin Dialga's design, though the spikes protruding from its knees are a little awkward looking.
I will defend Origin Palkia, I can like Origin Palkia, in fact, i do. Now, Origin Dialga is freaking terrible.
Does this mean we’ll have 20% and 50% forms of Xerneas and Yveltal😂
Origin form palkia grew on me I do like it but I really like the form for dialga
I find that hard to believe but glad you do
Pokemon Pearl was my first Pokemon game. I owned way back in 2006, so Palkia has always been a favorite. Also, Spacial Rend is such a badass move name 😂 The 20-year anniversary is almost coming up for Gen 4, too. lol we're getting old 😩😩😂😂
Finally someone else sees the greatness in fucked up horse! ALL PRAISE JUAN
I have a hunch that the GreatGators really like cheese…
i used to LOVE origin dialga and hate origin palkia but my opinions on them have more or less flipped, but i still don’t think dialga’s origin form is necessarily bad