He knew who tried to kill them and didn’t share that with anyone until it didn’t suit him and he is still alive that’s the love She hasn’t told her husband the decision Jamie made for her that is love He has a son and he’s still alive that’s love
@ayaretgonzalez27078 nit murdering an infant is love?!? Surely even the most horrible human being can see how evil that is, nothing to do with love....
A lot of what she tells him is really just self projection. You can tell because she says here that John’s disapproval is what really scares Jamie, but later when John says she disappointed him those words crushed her and actually left her speechless.
Beth and John treating him worse than a dog is getting old. I hope Sheridan has a plan for this because the constant abuse is borderline soft torture porn now.
she put her father and ranch at greater risk. There's alot of dead bodies in the "train station" and jamie can easily rat out the family for a plea deal. Because he can put rip, Loyd and many others as people who killed and dumped the bodies on behalf of john dutton. And she could be charged as an accessory for the murder of jamies biological father. And conspiracy to commit murder since it was one of her options she gave to him. She may be a loyal daughter but I don't see the intelligence in this because if I can see that jamie can now be a bigger threat than so can the writers.
Honestly John was a POS of a father his lack of communication with Jamie.. see Jamie aint the type u speak metaphors too he needed direct and forward talking too ....Beth is mad at Jamie because she is a hore who couldn't keep her mouth shut and legs closed
@@nave712she wanted the abortion, so she got one. They didn’t/couldn’t go to the city, due to their name being tarnished and publicly leaked. I 100% believe Beth still would have gone with it if she knew the results. There’s no way she would have had Rip killed, because that is exactly what John would have done, knowing the stable boy knocked up his daughter. Also, maybe blame the so called professional “abolition clinic,” when they did the procedure without even informing the patient of the outcomes. I don’t care what show this is or how it’s not real life. Realistically, any facility would have told the patient no matter what. Be mad at the clinic.. Women want abortion rights until they deal with the consequences that come with.
I understand why Beth hates Jamie, but it is starting to feel way too forced at this point. I honestly feel bad for the guy, especially when John takes her side 100% of the time.
It’s not forced. You would have to be put in the same position to understand this dynamic. My sister has been the favorite my entire life. I couldn’t have my father be proud of me even if I tried, but my sister will always be the favorite, the one that has a voice regardless of what she’s done.
@@Zee.chap08completely disagree. Her fault for getting pregnant at like 14 in the first place. Do I agree that Jamie should have went with that option?. NO.. but what else could have done?. Rip is only even alive cause of Jamie. John can spew all the bs he wants to Beth cause he spoils her, but the boy who knocked her up before she was even a highschooler is definitely dead.
She goes after him full bore 100% of the time with their father taking her side 100% of the time. He's pathetic but they're going to end up making their own Frankenstein's monster in the end because the only thing more dangerous than a desperate person is an angry desperate person with nothing to lose.
These scenes and the way both Kelly Reilly and Wes Bentley play their characters are truly amazing. Especially given the rapport they have off-camera. I would love to see some of the bloopers with some of their most intense scenes.
Yes, I realize Beth got a hysterectomy, but both Jamie & Beth were young. She needed not to be pregnant & nobody know & Jamie did the best that he could. When things like this happens, we don't think too far into the future. That's all I'm going to say bout this. I really feel bad for both of them. Love YELLOWSTONE AND THE DUTTONS!!!♥️♥️♥️
I really really want to believe Beth was for once giving Jaime honest advice. Like being real with him. I really want to believe that even though she beat him back down and pushed him away again in the scene where he took her advice and respectfully announced it to his family. Jaime is not 100% useless. He’s an incredibly impressive lawyer, he passed Harvard. He is just a lost man who’s confidence in himself is not full. Beth uses that against him and goes for daggers.
💯 Agreed. Her hatred for him is overkill. Her threats about killing him and his son, like he did you wrong but you’re no innocent. You didn’t deserve the pain he caused you but he had no mal intent. With her it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t. She acts blameless when it comes to him, that’s my problem. Like she’s morally superior to him. No I beg to differ.
@@Jellyfishpinkk It's not his fault that he tried to protect his 14 year old sister who got pregnant by herself. He might be naive, socially akward and unconfident, but he can be loyal and very useful, not being blood bound. In my opinion she's pushing her luck, specially talking about his son and using John and Rip against him undirectly. I absolutely loved "Beth's way" but she might be pushing herself an early end
Her hate for him stems from a place where there was once a lot of love, hate is not the opposite of love. Indifference is. Not saying that excuses her actions, but there is more to her actions and demeanor towards him.
I know Jamie is a spineless coward and I know he did a terrible thing to her, but in the next season I really wish that, for once, John will side with him against Beth. I really think that Beth's hateful attitude is much more dangerous, for the family, than Jamie's wavering loyalty and probing to make mistakes.
Yeah, I don't want John to side with Jamie at all, after all the things he's done. That wouldn't make any sense at all. John's loyalty SHOULD be with Beth first, bottom line. But I DO want to see the Jamie and Beth relationship improve in some way. I don't get the sense that Jamie has ever truly apologized for the choice he made that day by sterilizing her. I don't get the sense that he even understands how bad it was to do that, and that's probably why she still hates him as much as she does.
I'd love to see Jamie finally get right up in Beth's grille and say "You know what Beth....F**k you!!!" I mean with a finger pointed at her and just let her have it verbally like she does to him.. But he cowers down to Beth every time she gets on one of her rants. Jamie's a brilliant lawyer and goes to bat for John whenever he demands. He just recently got Beth out of jail because she can't control herself. He killed his real father who wanted to take the Dutton family down. What more do they want??!! And the decision that made Beth sterol was sad and unfortunate, but she's smart enough to know by now that it was not entirely his fault. She needs to let it go! I mean they were both young when she needed help. How would he know exactly what he signed her up for or what the long term ramifications were. And she keeps threatening him for things she really can't prove. I hope the writers really give Jamie a chance to stand up to Beth. It looks like they might be headed that way this season where Jamie might just screw the whole family business wise. And to be honest...I kinda hope he does. They treat him like a s**t anyway.
You can't be serious, have you been watching the same show ? Jamie's wavering loyalty you say, anyone with a pea brain knows that Jamie has zero loyalty to the Duttons and is purely out for himself...As for Beth's hateful attitude, you are confusing that with blind loyalty and fierce devotion for her father and the ranch, and her utter disdain for Jamie and what he did to her...Pretty standard really !
I think the doubts about Jamie and Beth here and how some feel sympathy for the way she treats him is exactly what the brilliant writer had planned. Sheridan is a phenomenal writer.
Beth calling Jamie evil.... "Kettle, this is Pot. I have some concerns about your current hue...." It's amazing how she can act as if laying claim to a conscience. I can lay claim to a Porsche, but that won't mean one is going to park in my driveway. The level of sheer malice in her as a character from the very start is palpable. No filter, no holding back, no remorse. She only gets happy after destroying something or someone...and she's proud of it. All I can say is that I'm glad she's in Montana...and I'm in ARIZONA.
Jamie was still a kid, when that happened , Beth is just an evil badger. She even treats Rip like shit for the longest, Rips a simp for accepting her back . If John was a better father Beth wouldn't have all those daddy issues and gotten pregnant and at least gone to him when she got pregnant . Even the lady governor now senator likes Jamie more.
I been saying that shit. If Beth hadn't been so shit scared of what John might think of her and asked for her father's help she probably still be able to bare children. But nooo, she put her shit in lap of Jamie who was a kid himself. He didn't have mental and emotional maturity to process or handle that shit any more than Beth did.
She's a very abusive woman. Rip can do so much better. John's kids are all messed up though. Beth is toxic and abusive. Jamie is emotionally unstable. Kayce is passive aggressive. Jamie and Beth are the worst by far though. They're both ill equipped at handling their emotions. Both are equally destructive. John really screwed them up, and the mother was horrible to Beth.
That's what drives me crazy about Rip. Dudes just an all around bad ass..... except when it comes to this woman. I know women LOVE the concept of "soft around me, but hard to everyone else" but this is overkill
She tells Jamie that John made him into what he shouldn’t be. Ironic thing is Jamie made Beth into exactly what she should be. Unable to have children.
she should be able to have kids. if jamie didnt do what he did, beth would have been a better person. grief fucks with people, crazy how jamie can keep living his life while beth is scarred forever. im glad theyre terrible to him, its the least they can do
@@treanishajackson2295 Did you watch the show? her mom said she was going to be hard on her on purpose, that shed be mean to make her strong. What her mom said to her was part of that and beth knows it thats why she still has a strong admiration for her mom and is hard on the women that try to take her place. she holds her mother to high standards because she knows what she did mad her strong. watching her mother die would be trumatising but what jamie did tipped her over the edge. Theyve been leading up to it since season 1
@@treanishajackson2295 having a second beth would be exactly what the future of the ranch needs. tough, tenacious, unyielding and loyal. Youre not paying attention if you think a mini Beth would be a bad thing.
@@Jellyfishpinkk Jesus Christ, Beth is a shitty character, stuck in the same limbo for five seasons now, a toxic person who can't get on with her life and who solves all her problems with a scream "DADDY HELP ME!!!". .. Fucking privileged child who can't grow up, another person like her is the last thing any family needs. I hope they make her evolve because she's really starting to tire, she seems like the wet dream of every toxic feminist
This honestly gets hard to watch after a while. It's just blatant abuse on Beth's part, and it's never called out as such. Her telling him to kill himself in particular was *way* too much.
Especially when, after she broke down about their mother hating her in and was about to shoot herself, Jamie stopped her and said he'd be there for her. He stops her from shooting herself and she tells him to kill himself. Something is gravely wrong here...
Beth got sterilized? She should of gone to an adult; both kids making big decisions? Unfortunately... mothers absence. Bad situation with no remedy for that mistake. What they did to the Indians. Grant & Jefferson were horrible Presidents! Grant broke all kinds of treaties with the Indians made them walk from Cape Girardeau, MO. all the way to MN. In the middle of Winter & infected the blankets they gave the Indians with smallpox! Almost succeeded in killing them off? Erase history? Sound familiar? DEJAH VU!
@@pamelamwilliamson7623 She's never been one to take responsibility for anything. Doesn't help that she was like this even before the clinic. Only thing that would've been different now is her relationship with Jamie...
Bro I've never liked Beth's character. She's horrid especially to Jamie. Straight up she doesn't deserve Rip too. The writers must have issues with their own siblings and have to get their frustration out this way.
shes horrid for a reason. Abortion isn't the same as sterilization. The fact that he agreed to sterilizing her without her consent will always make him a villain
@@Jellyfishpinkk she shouldn't have gotten herself knocked up in the first place and approached her father, not her brother. She put herself in that situation
@@Jellyfishpinkk He didn't agree to sterilize anything. Beth agreed to it by getting an abortion on the reservation. Beth wanted to keep everything a secret and there was only one place to get an abortion, no questions asked, and that was price. She hates Jamie for doing exactly what she asked for him. She made her choice and wants everyone else to pay for the consequences.
The way Beth is handling her hate about what happened to her 20 years ago is childish. Jamie was maybe older than her but he was also not an adult. Sure he should have gone to their father but damn she’s making him pay like he’s the Devil.
@@billbuffalo6755 How is it ok for her and ok as an adult woman to behave like this ? Of course it’s difficult but one way or another you have to move on, or what ? she will spend all her life being raged and making Jamie pay ? She’s still a child.
@@billbuffalo6755 she thinks she is corageous and smart but she did act like a fool in those circustamnces, dont' you think she should have asked about the procedure before accepting to go under the knife of the surgeon? and if she was so corageous she should have looked for her father instead of putting this huge responsability in jamie's hands who was just a kid like her. No, as always she did not take responsability for her decisions and she put the blame on Jamie. It has worked pretty much like the big ALIBI to blame and boss and psicologically torture Jamie. She is always so aggressive because she is a spoiled brat and she is aware nobody will punish her , she won't face any consequences for her actions. As narcististic and selfcentered she is, she would have been an awful mother. just consider the way she behaves with Carter. The moment he threw a little tantrum at the shop her motherly affection was over. She pushed him and hit him and then she left him to sleep in the stables. What a great mother... fixing most of her problems with the use of violence. No, she is a psychopath who doesn't deserve to be a mother. She should be stopped. somebody should crash her selfish and cruel attitude towards Jamie and anybody else. She is as evil as Cercei in GOT. Brilliant actress!!!
The blame game Beth keeps throwing up in Jamie's face is tiring. She really needs to face the part she played in this tragedy. Had she used or Rip used birth control Jamie wouldn't have had to make a decision at all about this procedure, problem. Jamie also was too young, immature to make a good choice.
@@marlenecaballero279 he was still too young to make an major adult decision like that. It was a life changing event, not buying a stereo or furniture. I don't think a an adult, mid twenties on up, would have an easy time making that decision.
@Krazykitty57 they literally told him she was going to be sterilized if she went through with it. He didn't bother to tell Beth and kept it to himself. He chose that. He made that decision not to tell her. Beth has every right to hate him. She asked for his help, not alter her chances of ever having kids
@@marlenecaballero279 He wasn't 19, he was 17. That scene took place not long after the scene where John told Jamie was sending him to Harvard and in Season 1, it's revealed that Jamie went to Harvard when he was 17. Yeah, he should've told her. Just like she should've kept her legs closed. The problem is Beth has never been one to take responsibility for anything. At least Jamie admitted his part in what happened to her. Both of them were young, dumb, and scared. Thing is, I think 20-25 years is long enough (really too long). She needs to just move on and learn to forgive (and own up to her part in it). Abusing her brother isn't going to cause her to magically sprout another womb...
@Neon Rodenson at the didn't tell her what the consequences were for doing the abortion. Another thing Jaime is 5 years older than Beth. Beth was 15 when she got the abortion. He was old enough to tell her, even if he wasn't, he still should've told her and given her the option to change her mind if she wanted to. No abortion place was going to let a minor sign off on another minor to get an abortion. Which therefore suggest he was of legal age. No matter her poor choices, in as you say, "opening her legs, "... Jaime took her ability to have kids. Do you think, if she would've known, she would've gone through with it? Maybe she would've, as Promiscuous as she was. Who knows. But it would've been her choice. Yeah, they were both scared. It's still not an excuse for him to have kept that from her. So her feelings are valid. Now, at her age, she wants to have kids, and she can't because of the choice Jaime made. Whether she wanted to have the abortion she didn't know she would become sterile afterward. How is that fair?
She hates him for making the choice for her, she wants that choice but he took it from, and life-long decision. Jamie took away Beth's choice, not just about the sterilization. She hates him for taking that choice away from her and making it for her.
Bruh as much as I love Beth....I feel like Jaime is just hated for nothing. I mean why is he considered the greatest failure just because he fucked up? Like I can't imagine being treated like that
@@user-wi1ks5io6l But come on, this has been going for 4 seasons. She forced him the kill his blood daddy, made him be disowned by his father and is now threatening to take the one thing he has left. Just kill Jaime, but seeing him suffer is tiring
@@user-wi1ks5io6l well honestly it's her fault for getting herself into that situation. Got herself knocked up and all and then asks her brother for help but then everyone blames him for her not being able to have a baby 😂 chick should've not got herself knocked up in the first place lmao
Looks like writers don't like Jamie at all.This character has a lot of potential for a redemption,but writers just don't care and it's going 5 seasons.
Beth needs to forgive Jamie! She went to him about her pregnancy, she had 3 brothers and she chose him, he is not even the oldest. The show is trying to make him evil but he is not that guy!
Beth became the exact woman her parents created her to be. I don’t understand the hate she gets. I’d rather have her unwavering loyalty than Jamie’s cowardice.
So true. Especially with how messed-up her mother was... she spent her last dying breath ensuring that Beth would be screwed up for the rest of her life. That's why I always roll my eyes at the "St. Evelyn" BS. That woman was a nut job and she killed herself and blamed her kid for it. John needs to stop waxing poetic about her.
I don't really care for Beth myself. I tend to skip over her scenes. She's toxic and immature, I honestly don't get what Rip sees in her. Jamie is messed up for sure but she's no better. The whole family needs therapy. I hope they wrap up this 'feud' soon. Getting old.
It’s cause she’s annoying and her scenes are almost always the same?. She isn’t a strong female character. She’s a spoiled entitled brat who hides behind a name because her dad spoils her. She just gets old quick.
Jamie made a really crappy decision, but he was a teenager under extreme pressure. He was put into a situation he wasn't remotely prepared for and he reacted exactly like what he was, a scared, confused boy in the heat of the moment.
Two of the most emotionally damaged characters on the show. Beth is pure destruction, so reckless. Hope they reveal why Jamie is so brilliant legally and a total imbecile when dealing family. The whole thing with Beth is too much. They were both kids, why doesn't she get that?? She is way too old to keep blaming him. He is way too old to be on his knees as the atty general begging for mercy. He should have sold the land. It would have put an end to all this crap.
They may have both been kids, but what Jamie did to her is permanent. She has to live with it every day of her life. As a woman, it's totally unsurprising that Beth hates him so much, especially when I don't get the sense that he's ever offered a sincere apology for it. But I agree about the humiliation. It's cringey and way too much. She can hate him without having those types of scenes.
@@cheetahinireland18Her fault for being a thot who got pregnant before she was even 15 lol. She should be thanking Jamie. Rip is only even ALIVE cause John didn’t know at the time.
@@thespy6707 Not disagreeing that she was totally irresponsible and created the mess with a pregnancy. HOWEVER, nope, there's no justification for Jamie not walking his *ss outside and telling her what the repercussions would be. Then she would have to live with the choice made by HER. Instead, he told her it was "fine" and let her unknowingly get a hysterectomy at 15. That's psychotic. Worse because she trusted him and she was young. I mean, the whole scenario would never happen in the real world (with all the holes in it, I don't understand why Sheridan even wrote it), but as it's written, Jamie did do something unspeakably horrible to her. And it makes perfect sense that she hates him.
@@cheetahinireland18 I agree with that. It makes absolutely no sense on multiple different levels. Jamie’s end, the natives side.. none of it. Honestly I’d argue at the end of the day, this was John’s fault. Beth was too terrified to have ever gone to him in the first place. It’s one thing when a child does this to a normal working father. That’s just anger they’d be afraid of. But Beth had solid reasoning to hide it from him. John is shady and can easily have people killed.. especially rip at the time
@@cheetahinireland18 But Jaime did it out of FEAR of her father, if Beth is to blame anyone it's John, a shitty father who verbally abused his children... Jaime suffers from serious mental problems precisely because John raised him this way. Beth has to get her head out of her ass and GROW up, put herself in each other's shoes, a teenager who fearing repercussions from his father, made a rash and terrible move. Beth now seems like every toxic feminist's wet dream and she has to evolve as a character and go on... And especially stop being a reckless piece of shit who cries begging her dad to help her when she ruins everything
Real talk, 2:43 scene & 8:08 scene was RAW! Beth was saying some stuff to Jamie where I had to look 👀 @ my own life. I was like DAMN! Think I needed to hear that.
This is my biggest nitpick of the show. Their whole relationship is so bizarre and forced. None of it makes any sense, and I'll continue to question why Jamie is treated so poorly by John and Beth. Beth's character would become much more pleasant if her and Jamie made peace with whatever they have going on.
Jamie "helping" Beth with her abortion and getting her sterilized is the reason she hates him.... Or at least that how's I interpreted it last season. As kids they seemed to naturally antagonize each other, which is normal to me because they're siblings and extremely different. But I think the whole abortion thing became the reason why Beth hated Jamie with such a passion, along with him being a political, more ambitious character that Beth can't respect because of how she is. Idk about John - seems like he just never understood Jamie. John is loyal to an extreme, wants only his ranch and his family together, doesn't have much aspiration beyond that but takes power in order to keep things the same. Jamie is a social and political climber and generally out of place at the ranch. He loves Jamie, he's said this before, but it doesn't mean he likes him. Whereas Kayce I think represents everything John respects and likes in another man. Just my two cents!
It has already been explained. In season 3 it was revealed that Jamie took the teenage Beth to get an abortion after she became pregnant by Rip and didn’t tell her that she was getting a hysterectomy. Now she and Rip can never have a child together. Beth hates him for that as well as how he handles himself and matters related to the ranch. John hates him because he is different from all the other sons that he has raised and makes decisions that are more about his future than the future of the ranch. It was also revealed that Jamie is not even John’s biological son which further put a wedge between the two.
@@syd8010 Right, I understand what the show explained. However, it still doesn't make any sense why Beth so strongly hates Jamie. Yes, she's sterile "because of Jamie." However, she asked him to make it go away without anyone else knowing. If he had taken her to a legit hospital, there would be trails back to Beth being pregnant. He had to take her where he did, which only offered sterilization. They were both young and didn't want any trouble, and were only doing what they thought best. How they make Beth so narrow-minded and hateful of it all is what I don't get. Her hatred for Jamie is still very uncalled for.
@@ComedyBros5 I definitely agree that Beth's hatred of Jamie is very narrow-minded. I think it's actually one of her biggest flaws in the sense that she will hate Jamie no matter what he does. No matter whether he tries to prove himself or disown the family. I think Jamie to Beth is representative of everything she hates in the world, and she takes it out on him. I'd really like to see their dynamic grow from that because I think there's kernels of more complexity in their relationship here and there. Or maybe the end goal is that they'll take each other down, simply bc there's too much baggage to ever let things go. It'll be interesting to see what they do in season 5 with these two!
@@ComedyBros5 no, she asked for an abortion not sterlization. even then if Jamie told her about what was about to happen to her maybe she wont hate him so much. figures
Still the same old Beth in season 5. As much as I don't like Market Equity in this series, you can't blame Jamie for wanting to escape the constant bullshit abuse. I used to like Beth but character development just doesn't exist with her character.
Nope not really. She's not a likable character. I tend to ignore her scenes. Jamie isn't too likable either but there are times I do kind of feel sorry for him. The whole family needs therapy. John messed them all up.
@@nissaniss4251she really is annoying. Like Jamie isn’t very good either but he’s easier to like because he isn’t constantly walking around like a spoiled entitled brat who hides behind a name. 5 seasons lol.. it’s been 5 seasons and her scenes with him are ALL basically the SAME.
I love that she waited until the clutter behind her stopped to begin talking I love that actress also how did she put the trap inside her purse without it going off?
Beth and Jamie were children when they made that adult decision but he should have told beth they were going to do that to her but he was a child trying to help his scared sister
he should have told her everything. the fact that he knew what he was doing was wrong and still did it, the fact that he knew not to tell her or she wont have agreed is what is so abhoerntly malicious.
Beth deserves to be upset with Jamie but at some point she needs to move past it. Sit down and talk through it. Acting this way isnt gonna make her have kids or change anything. I understand Jamie made a mistake but he was a young boy who should've never been put in that situation. He was scared and thought that was the only way people wouldn't find out. I'm sure he regrets trying to help her now and wishes he would've ratted her out to their Dad. But I'm sure Beth would've hated him for that too. Rip would've got kicked out and she would've either been a teen mom or people would know the Duttons abort babies. Beth needs to grow up and see she put Jamie in a lose-lose situation and he didnt know what to do. You'd think she understand being scared and not knowing what to do after the mom's accident
He was 17 when it happen, he was a kid to, he was just a year younger, idk why so many comment lie that he was an adult at the time, they were both scared kids
Beth hates Jamie for doing what she asked. If she was so afraid of the consequences then she shouldn’t have been around with everybody. Years of hatred and spitefulness is ridiculous. She needs to grow up.
She never asked for a hysterectomy which is very different from an abortion, see as the uterus and the ovaries control the production of hormones and other necessary functions for the female body and she never knew that a hysterectomy was a consequence of the abortion because he lied to her about a thing that would affect her the rest of her life without hesitation, that’s why she hates him It doesn’t matter how much sex she had, it doesn’t excuse a permanent sterilization without consent from the person who are getting mutiladed And he was informed of a clinic that he could take her If a family member made me sterile I would make sure that person is in a living hell
*Beth stans in a nutshell* Jaime lies to and betrays Beth- "He's the biggest piece of shit in the world" Beth lies to and betrays Rip- "...Jaime's the biggest piece of shit in the world"
They both need friends outside of the family they are so toxically linked to each other to the point where sometimes I feel like they would be lonely without the other to antagonize they literally live for confrontation especially Beth!!!
I can see where beth thinks she has him. But i fear she put her father and the ranch at greater risk. There's alot of dead bodies in the "train station" and jamie can easily rat out the family for a plea deal. Because he can put rip, Loyd and many others as people who killed and dumped the bodies on behalf of john dutton. And she could be charged as an accessory for the murder of jamies biological father seeing that she was there taking pictures. he can say she did that to blackmail him after what he did to her when she was pregnant. That can be seen as motive to force him to commit murder. And conspiracy to commit murder since it was one of her options she gave to him. She may be a loyal daughter but I don't see the intelligence in this because if I can see that jamie can now be a bigger threat than so can the writers.
Starting to despise Beth shes sort of spoiling things now with her toxicity…when she is on screen. I just want to say in the words of RIP I don’t have the energy for you today 😂😂
I understand why Beth hates Jamie, but they were kids, and she came to him about being pregnant. Jamie was still a boy. She also shouldn't make his life miserable for so many years
This storyline is so forced and absurd. First of all, they’d never perform this on her without her knowing. She basically blames him for her own fuckup and it’s absurd. Her character is lame
I notice the writers treat both adoptive sons Jaime & Carter like crap. I was shocked by how nasty Beth and Rip were to Carter. I feel like the writers have some underlying issues with adoptive sons idk. They’re the most abused characters on the show.
Two minutes of Beth and i am exausted! Ffs in ANY other soap opera it could have been easy to hate Jamie AND YET thanks to her i kinda feel for the guy!
I was told I look like this Jamie guy from this show so I had to look it up, hope I dont end up like his character lol, he has the face where he looks like 5 different people from each perspective profile, i feel his pain lol
I know what Jamie did is wrong - he should have told Beth the consequences of abortion at that clinic. But this hatred for life does no good for any of them and definitely not for the sake of family…. Also- wouldn’t the clinic mention directly to Beth what she was getting into? They told Jamie but before the procedure they would have to mention it to Beth too…
These moments highlight how superior Wes is as an actor compared to kelly in this series. He just dissolves her act and makes it valueless and dependent on him for her character to maintain.
Beth should get off of her high horse, she ain't no saint she is second worst dutton after her father. Jamie should just leave that family broken as its own. Nor Beth or John ever deserves Jamie's sacrifice.
I love Beth and Jamie. I hope season 5 will have lots of action and fights. So far it hasn't. Hope Mr Sheridan has plans to bring the action back or people will get bored. Thank you
@@sawyerwalser1527 no I’ll have to agree with Judith on this. Don’t get me wrong I’m loving this season but this slow build up to something big is just getting a bit too boring if they stretch it out even more.
@spiderboy2718 All action and no plot does not = a good TV show. It's like Sherdian took Dallas, got rid of all the "soap opera mess," and added more cowboy/ranching with a touch of "danger." It's still a drama. They'll lose more fans if they fail to continue the tension inside and out of the Dutton family.
When beth sends that vegan girl to prison john was so angry and starts talking about morals and right and wrong. But when beth almost made jamie kill himself he didn’t do anything to her. I’m not saying it’s all john’s fault but some of it definitely is, he sees how she treats jamie all the time and he even agree with her and never ever defended jamie even before he knew about the sterilization
12:10 this begs the question what if Jamie told Beth the truth about getting a hysterectomy after he took her to the clinic for an abortion. What if Beth kept a child all for herself what if she told John the truth then what will happen. But most of all how did young Beth got pregnant in the first place? And who got her pregnant?
12:40 you know what else is evil Beth telling you're brother to kill himself while he was having a mental breakdown thats evil you now whay else is evil beth stabing your brother with a fork when you were kids what was very VERY stupid was opening you're legs to Rip so 25% is your own fault for the sterilization
Jesus 16 minutes and I’m already tired of it. Kudos to all of you who suffered through Beth’s acerbic monologues for 5 seasons. It’d be a lot more fun if Jamie got the last word too. But she’s always gotta win, even when she’s just as messed up as he is.
This shows is great. Let me tell you and it just keeps getting crazier and crazier when more episodes will or probably will come out but there’s this one thing that I think it would just set the top over since Jamie now in this season is basically evil, when it be crazy if Jamie kills Beth
Yall disgust me saying she needs to just “move on” yall dont know how hurtful it is to deal with not being able to have children. You cant tell a person how to heal
The wikipedia page states that Beth have a love/hate relationship with Jamie. Im still waiting for the "love" part
She loves to hate him haha
He knew who tried to kill them and didn’t share that with anyone until it didn’t suit him and he is still alive that’s the love
She hasn’t told her husband the decision Jamie made for her that is love
He has a son and he’s still alive that’s love
@ayaretgonzalez27078 nit murdering an infant is love?!? Surely even the most horrible human being can see how evil that is, nothing to do with love....
I think he loves her or used to
@@englishkiwi3051Infant is from birth to 1 year old, it was an embryo/fetus.
A lot of what she tells him is really just self projection. You can tell because she says here that John’s disapproval is what really scares Jamie, but later when John says she disappointed him those words crushed her and actually left her speechless.
Bingo 🎯
Beth and John treating him worse than a dog is getting old. I hope Sheridan has a plan for this because the constant abuse is borderline soft torture porn now.
Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking that. I skip through their moments together because I know it'll be more of the same.
@@ComedyBros5 I skip through them too. It’s been the same argument since season 1.
@@Crimson28 It seems like it'll be nothing but pure evil now after that Season 4 finale (which, what a waste of Will Patton's character!)!
she put her father and ranch at greater risk. There's alot of dead bodies in the "train station" and jamie can easily rat out the family for a plea deal. Because he can put rip, Loyd and many others as people who killed and dumped the bodies on behalf of john dutton. And she could be charged as an accessory for the murder of jamies biological father. And conspiracy to commit murder since it was one of her options she gave to him. She may be a loyal daughter but I don't see the intelligence in this because if I can see that jamie can now be a bigger threat than so can the writers.
Honestly John was a POS of a father his lack of communication with Jamie.. see Jamie aint the type u speak metaphors too he needed direct and forward talking too ....Beth is mad at Jamie because she is a hore who couldn't keep her mouth shut and legs closed
I find myself rooting for Jaime tbh. Jaime literally does everything they tell him to do yet they still treat him like less than human.
Because he sterilized Beth without her consent
@@nave712 Fault's not totally his. She should've kept her legs closed...
@@neonrodenson1480 uh yes it is his fault. Her not keeping her legs closed isn’t an excuse
@@nave712 If she had, she wouldn't have needed to run to her brother. Neither of them are in the right...
@@nave712she wanted the abortion, so she got one. They didn’t/couldn’t go to the city, due to their name being tarnished and publicly leaked. I 100% believe Beth still would have gone with it if she knew the results. There’s no way she would have had Rip killed, because that is exactly what John would have done, knowing the stable boy knocked up his daughter. Also, maybe blame the so called professional “abolition clinic,” when they did the procedure without even informing the patient of the outcomes. I don’t care what show this is or how it’s not real life. Realistically, any facility would have told the patient no matter what. Be mad at the clinic.. Women want abortion rights until they deal with the consequences that come with.
I understand why Beth hates Jamie, but it is starting to feel way too forced at this point. I honestly feel bad for the guy, especially when John takes her side 100% of the time.
I agree!
It’s not forced. You would have to be put in the same position to understand this dynamic. My sister has been the favorite my entire life. I couldn’t have my father be proud of me even if I tried, but my sister will always be the favorite, the one that has a voice regardless of what she’s done.
I agree with you.
No way in hell. Having kids is my dream and if my brother took that away from me I would do worse than Beth.
@@Zee.chap08completely disagree. Her fault for getting pregnant at like 14 in the first place. Do I agree that Jamie should have went with that option?. NO.. but what else could have done?.
Rip is only even alive cause of Jamie. John can spew all the bs he wants to Beth cause he spoils her, but the boy who knocked her up before she was even a highschooler is definitely dead.
She goes after him full bore 100% of the time with their father taking her side 100% of the time. He's pathetic but they're going to end up making their own Frankenstein's monster in the end because the only thing more dangerous than a desperate person is an angry desperate person with nothing to lose.
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These scenes and the way both Kelly Reilly and Wes Bentley play their characters are truly amazing. Especially given the rapport they have off-camera. I would love to see some of the bloopers with some of their most intense scenes.
Yes, I realize Beth got a hysterectomy, but both Jamie & Beth were young. She needed not to be pregnant & nobody know & Jamie did the best that he could. When things like this happens, we don't think too far into the future. That's all I'm going to say bout this. I really feel bad for both of them. Love YELLOWSTONE AND THE DUTTONS!!!♥️♥️♥️
@@lorainelambert8548 I finally found someone logical 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
there’s a huge difference between ‘not being pregnant’ and a hysterectomy.
@@thebodiescannotveto And Jamie, as Loraine said, was young. A kid. Kids don't think about the consequences down the line.
@@neonrodenson1480 never disputed the fact that he was young.
I really really want to believe Beth was for once giving Jaime honest advice. Like being real with him. I really want to believe that even though she beat him back down and pushed him away again in the scene where he took her advice and respectfully announced it to his family. Jaime is not 100% useless. He’s an incredibly impressive lawyer, he passed Harvard. He is just a lost man who’s confidence in himself is not full.
Beth uses that against him and goes for daggers.
💯 Agreed. Her hatred for him is overkill. Her threats about killing him and his son, like he did you wrong but you’re no innocent. You didn’t deserve the pain he caused you but he had no mal intent. With her it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t. She acts blameless when it comes to him, that’s my problem. Like she’s morally superior to him. No I beg to differ.
@@smileypc44 its not overkill. after what he did. he should have told her everything, he shouldnt have hidden what the woman told him
@@Jellyfishpinkk It's not his fault that he tried to protect his 14 year old sister who got pregnant by herself. He might be naive, socially akward and unconfident, but he can be loyal and very useful, not being blood bound.
In my opinion she's pushing her luck, specially talking about his son and using John and Rip against him undirectly. I absolutely loved "Beth's way" but she might be pushing herself an early end
@@theportugueselegend how did she "get pregnant by herself," lmao 😂
Her hate for him stems from a place where there was once a lot of love, hate is not the opposite of love. Indifference is. Not saying that excuses her actions, but there is more to her actions and demeanor towards him.
they left out the best ones, when Jamie picks her up when she's drunk and when Beth drags him to John
which episodes are these scenes from?
That scene was intense...TELL HIM! TELL HIM!
Their rivalry is insane. Can’t wait for season 5.
It's the most bizarre thing of the show. It's so forced and misunderstood.
@@ComedyBros5 i don't think it's forced, that being said it would be nice if they could find their way back to the love they once had for each other
Nov. 13!!!! Can't wait!!!
Their rivalry is mainly one sided though with Beth being the main instigator.
Beth has the right to feel the way she does towards Jamie. I'd feel the same way if I were in her position
Honestly the best thing for Jamie to do is just leave Montana. Go live his live somewhere. He needs to get away from the Duttons.
He can’t, he already killed 3 people and John knows it
Their relationship reminds of cersei and Tyrion's on GOT
I know Jamie is a spineless coward and I know he did a terrible thing to her, but in the next season I really wish that, for once, John will side with him against Beth. I really think that Beth's hateful attitude is much more dangerous, for the family, than Jamie's wavering loyalty and probing to make mistakes.
Yeah, I don't want John to side with Jamie at all, after all the things he's done. That wouldn't make any sense at all. John's loyalty SHOULD be with Beth first, bottom line. But I DO want to see the Jamie and Beth relationship improve in some way.
I don't get the sense that Jamie has ever truly apologized for the choice he made that day by sterilizing her. I don't get the sense that he even understands how bad it was to do that, and that's probably why she still hates him as much as she does.
I'd love to see Jamie finally get right up in Beth's grille and say "You know what Beth....F**k you!!!" I mean with a finger pointed at her and just let her have it verbally like she does to him.. But he cowers down to Beth every time she gets on one of her rants.
Jamie's a brilliant lawyer and goes to bat for John whenever he demands.
He just recently got Beth out of jail because she can't control herself.
He killed his real father who wanted to take the Dutton family down. What more do they want??!!
And the decision that made Beth sterol was sad and unfortunate, but she's smart enough to know by now that it was not entirely his fault. She needs to let it go!
I mean they were both young when she needed help. How would he know exactly what he signed her up for or what the long term ramifications were.
And she keeps threatening him for things she really can't prove.
I hope the writers really give Jamie a chance to stand up to Beth.
It looks like they might be headed that way this season where Jamie might just screw the whole family business wise.
And to be honest...I kinda hope he does. They treat him like a s**t anyway.
nope beths attitude helps the family
I do feel a little bit bad for Jamie then he goes and does something stupid again,and again!
You can't be serious, have you been watching the same show ? Jamie's wavering loyalty you say, anyone with a pea brain knows that Jamie has zero loyalty to the Duttons and is purely out for himself...As for Beth's hateful attitude, you are confusing that with blind loyalty and fierce devotion for her father and the ranch, and her utter disdain for Jamie and what he did to her...Pretty standard really !
Shouldn’t they realize that Jaime knows where all the bodies are buried.
jamie murdered a reported. they know where his own bodies are buried
jamie murdered a reported. they know where his own bodies are buried
Thats the thing, beth doesnt know what he knows, her ratting him out would ruin what is left of the family when he sings
I think the doubts about Jamie and Beth here and how some feel sympathy for the way she treats him is exactly what the brilliant writer had planned. Sheridan is a phenomenal writer.
Beth calling Jamie evil....
"Kettle, this is Pot. I have some concerns about your current hue...."
It's amazing how she can act as if laying claim to a conscience. I can lay claim to a Porsche, but that won't mean one is going to park in my driveway. The level of sheer malice in her as a character from the very start is palpable. No filter, no holding back, no remorse. She only gets happy after destroying something or someone...and she's proud of it.
All I can say is that I'm glad she's in Montana...and I'm in ARIZONA.
And in Season 1, John says to Jamie,
"She can be something you can never be. She can be evil. And evil is what we need."
@@neonrodenson1480 Yeah....but if evil is needed to win....maybe they shouldn't.
@@CMage101 Exactly
Jamie was still a kid, when that happened , Beth is just an evil badger. She even treats Rip like shit for the longest, Rips a simp for accepting her back . If John was a better father Beth wouldn't have all those daddy issues and gotten pregnant and at least gone to him when she got pregnant . Even the lady governor now senator likes Jamie more.
I been saying that shit. If Beth hadn't been so shit scared of what John might think of her and asked for her father's help she probably still be able to bare children. But nooo, she put her shit in lap of Jamie who was a kid himself. He didn't have mental and emotional maturity to process or handle that shit any more than Beth did.
She's a very abusive woman. Rip can do so much better. John's kids are all messed up though. Beth is toxic and abusive. Jamie is emotionally unstable. Kayce is passive aggressive. Jamie and Beth are the worst by far though. They're both ill equipped at handling their emotions. Both are equally destructive. John really screwed them up, and the mother was horrible to Beth.
Right? If Jamie told John then Rip would be R.I.P. and beth would hate Jamie for that
That's what drives me crazy about Rip. Dudes just an all around bad ass..... except when it comes to this woman. I know women LOVE the concept of "soft around me, but hard to everyone else" but this is overkill
The Beth-Jamie feud was compelling in the first couple of seasons, but by Season 5 it's grown old. Time for these siblings to make up and move on.
They should work together
@@anbang4531 they actually would make a devastating combo.
Beth: Help step brother, I'm stuck
Jamie: Sure I'll help
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Finally no more of their BS
She tells Jamie that John made him into what he shouldn’t be. Ironic thing is Jamie made Beth into exactly what she should be. Unable to have children.
she should be able to have kids. if jamie didnt do what he did, beth would have been a better person. grief fucks with people, crazy how jamie can keep living his life while beth is scarred forever. im glad theyre terrible to him, its the least they can do
@@Jellyfishpinkk no Beth stop growing after what her mother said to her b4 she died.. if any thing she would’ve made a mini her
@@treanishajackson2295 Did you watch the show? her mom said she was going to be hard on her on purpose, that shed be mean to make her strong. What her mom said to her was part of that and beth knows it thats why she still has a strong admiration for her mom and is hard on the women that try to take her place. she holds her mother to high standards because she knows what she did mad her strong. watching her mother die would be trumatising but what jamie did tipped her over the edge. Theyve been leading up to it since season 1
@@treanishajackson2295 having a second beth would be exactly what the future of the ranch needs. tough, tenacious, unyielding and loyal. Youre not paying attention if you think a mini Beth would be a bad thing.
@@Jellyfishpinkk Jesus Christ, Beth is a shitty character, stuck in the same limbo for five seasons now, a toxic person who can't get on with her life and who solves all her problems with a scream "DADDY HELP ME!!!". .. Fucking privileged child who can't grow up, another person like her is the last thing any family needs.
I hope they make her evolve because she's really starting to tire, she seems like the wet dream of every toxic feminist
Beth is the actual bad guy
I mean she doesn't care about the ranch
Beth is an awful human being and no matter what she keeps blaming him for that doesn't excuse any of her behavior.
Right? She is the child that was never disciplined for her actions and that John let run wild.
Nah. She is just spoiled and narcissistic.
I back Jaime 100%. I've seen enough of Beth to know she shouldn't breed
Beth is ruining the show.
Beth is like that because of what Jamie did, also he's a murderer how could you back him
@@BindiBushPigWho isn't a murderer in that family 😂
Beth. Beth isn’t a murderer.
Beth becomes a murderer at the end of season 4. Arranging the death of a person becomes a murder charge.
This honestly gets hard to watch after a while. It's just blatant abuse on Beth's part, and it's never called out as such. Her telling him to kill himself in particular was *way* too much.
Especially when, after she broke down about their mother hating her in and was about to shoot herself, Jamie stopped her and said he'd be there for her. He stops her from shooting herself and she tells him to kill himself. Something is gravely wrong here...
Beth got sterilized? She should of gone to an adult; both kids making big decisions? Unfortunately... mothers absence. Bad situation with no remedy for that mistake. What they did to the Indians. Grant & Jefferson were horrible Presidents! Grant broke all kinds of treaties with the Indians made them walk from Cape Girardeau, MO. all the way to MN. In the middle of Winter & infected the blankets they gave the Indians with smallpox! Almost succeeded in killing them off? Erase history? Sound familiar? DEJAH VU!
Beth has a lot of anger due to what happened. Never dealt with any of it! Keeps coming up!
@@pamelamwilliamson7623 She's never been one to take responsibility for anything. Doesn't help that she was like this even before the clinic. Only thing that would've been different now is her relationship with Jamie...
I kind of feel sorry for Jamie.
Anybody with common sense should. Jamie was a afraid of his father. And he was trying to help Beth. But made a terrible decision.
@@anthonywalls692 he was trying to help by not telling her about being sterilized. funny
thats too bad really. hes a piece of shit
Bro I've never liked Beth's character. She's horrid especially to Jamie. Straight up she doesn't deserve Rip too. The writers must have issues with their own siblings and have to get their frustration out this way.
shes horrid for a reason. Abortion isn't the same as sterilization. The fact that he agreed to sterilizing her without her consent will always make him a villain
@@Jellyfishpinkk she shouldn't have gotten herself knocked up in the first place and approached her father, not her brother. She put herself in that situation
@@herbs7482 and yet she still plays victim. I like her in some scenes but for the most part I absolutely cannot stand her character.
@@Jellyfishpinkk He didn't agree to sterilize anything. Beth agreed to it by getting an abortion on the reservation. Beth wanted to keep everything a secret and there was only one place to get an abortion, no questions asked, and that was price. She hates Jamie for doing exactly what she asked for him. She made her choice and wants everyone else to pay for the consequences.
@@Jellyfishpinkk And the fact she chose to keep vital information from Rip, even after marrying him, makes her a villain as well.
The way Beth is handling her hate about what happened to her 20 years ago is childish. Jamie was maybe older than her but he was also not an adult. Sure he should have gone to their father but damn she’s making him pay like he’s the Devil.
She put him into a situation no one should have to be in, let alone at that age.
Nah, she has the right to feel that way imo. I'd be pissed for life I were in her shoes.
@@billbuffalo6755 How is it ok for her and ok as an adult woman to behave like this ? Of course it’s difficult but one way or another you have to move on, or what ? she will spend all her life being raged and making Jamie pay ? She’s still a child.
@@billbuffalo6755 she thinks she is corageous and smart but she did act like a fool in those circustamnces, dont' you think she should have asked about the procedure before accepting to go under the knife of the surgeon? and if she was so corageous she should have looked for her father instead of putting this huge responsability in jamie's hands who was just a kid like her. No, as always she did not take responsability for her decisions and she put the blame on Jamie. It has worked pretty much like the big ALIBI to blame and boss and psicologically torture Jamie. She is always so aggressive because she is a spoiled brat and she is aware nobody will punish her , she won't face any consequences for her actions. As narcististic and selfcentered she is, she would have been an awful mother. just consider the way she behaves with Carter. The moment he threw a little tantrum at the shop her motherly affection was over. She pushed him and hit him and then she left him to sleep in the stables. What a great mother... fixing most of her problems with the use of violence. No, she is a psychopath who doesn't deserve to be a mother. She should be stopped. somebody should crash her selfish and cruel attitude towards Jamie and anybody else. She is as evil as Cercei in GOT. Brilliant actress!!!
@@girodiboanottetempo5931 Totally agree
The blame game Beth keeps throwing up in Jamie's face is tiring. She really needs to face the part she played in this tragedy. Had she used or Rip used birth control Jamie wouldn't have had to make a decision at all about this procedure, problem. Jamie also was too young, immature to make a good choice.
Jaime knew the consequences. He was 19, old enough to know better
@@marlenecaballero279 he was still too young to make an major adult decision like that. It was a life changing event, not buying a stereo or furniture. I don't think a an adult, mid twenties on up, would have an easy time making that decision.
@Krazykitty57 they literally told him she was going to be sterilized if she went through with it. He didn't bother to tell Beth and kept it to himself. He chose that. He made that decision not to tell her. Beth has every right to hate him. She asked for his help, not alter her chances of ever having kids
@@marlenecaballero279 He wasn't 19, he was 17. That scene took place not long after the scene where John told Jamie was sending him to Harvard and in Season 1, it's revealed that Jamie went to Harvard when he was 17.
Yeah, he should've told her. Just like she should've kept her legs closed. The problem is Beth has never been one to take responsibility for anything. At least Jamie admitted his part in what happened to her. Both of them were young, dumb, and scared. Thing is, I think 20-25 years is long enough (really too long). She needs to just move on and learn to forgive (and own up to her part in it). Abusing her brother isn't going to cause her to magically sprout another womb...
@Neon Rodenson at the didn't tell her what the consequences were for doing the abortion. Another thing Jaime is 5 years older than Beth. Beth was 15 when she got the abortion. He was old enough to tell her, even if he wasn't, he still should've told her and given her the option to change her mind if she wanted to. No abortion place was going to let a minor sign off on another minor to get an abortion. Which therefore suggest he was of legal age.
No matter her poor choices, in as you say, "opening her legs, "... Jaime took her ability to have kids. Do you think, if she would've known, she would've gone through with it? Maybe she would've, as Promiscuous as she was. Who knows. But it would've been her choice. Yeah, they were both scared. It's still not an excuse for him to have kept that from her. So her feelings are valid. Now, at her age, she wants to have kids, and she can't because of the choice Jaime made. Whether she wanted to have the abortion she didn't know she would become sterile afterward. How is that fair?
She hates him for making the choice for her, she wants that choice but he took it from, and life-long decision. Jamie took away Beth's choice, not just about the sterilization. She hates him for taking that choice away from her and making it for her.
Really wish they'd stop dragging this out. This has been played out to the max. We get it, she hates him. Move on.
I would just tell her that her soul is as barren as her womb.
I would simply tell her, "I'm glad you'll never be a mother."
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Beth is abusive to Jamie
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Beth *is abusive. Most choose not to see it.
I heard that season 5 their rivalry is going to real a boiling point. Can’t wait!
Bruh as much as I love Beth....I feel like Jaime is just hated for nothing. I mean why is he considered the greatest failure just because he fucked up? Like I can't imagine being treated like that
@@user-wi1ks5io6l But come on, this has been going for 4 seasons. She forced him the kill his blood daddy, made him be disowned by his father and is now threatening to take the one thing he has left. Just kill Jaime, but seeing him suffer is tiring
@@user-wi1ks5io6l well honestly it's her fault for getting herself into that situation. Got herself knocked up and all and then asks her brother for help but then everyone blames him for her not being able to have a baby 😂 chick should've not got herself knocked up in the first place lmao
@@user-wi1ks5io6l exactly 💯
hated for nothing. you must be joking
@@Jellyfishpinkk for nothing that stupid bxtch can just adopt she shouldn’t of been spreading her legs so easy
I can honestly say I root for Jaime. Beth goes too far at times and gets John to back everything she says.
I hope Beth finally gets what’s coming to her
Looks like writers don't like Jamie at all.This character has a lot of potential for a redemption,but writers just don't care and it's going 5 seasons.
Beth needs to forgive Jamie! She went to him about her pregnancy, she had 3 brothers and she chose him, he is not even the oldest. The show is trying to make him evil but he is not that guy!
I'm on Jamie's side
"His disapproval...and how much you fear it...that's what makes you truly evil." Beth is talking to herself.
Beth just needs to be humbled
I want this so hard Lol
Beth is the villain. And like all good Hollywood villains, she thinks she’s right.
Yellowstone reflects glory days of Hollywood. There are no glory days today. Love Yellowstone
Beth became the exact woman her parents created her to be. I don’t understand the hate she gets. I’d rather have her unwavering loyalty than Jamie’s cowardice.
Honestly the way a child is is the way the parent molds them John's lack of communication with him growing up definitely has a role
So true. Especially with how messed-up her mother was... she spent her last dying breath ensuring that Beth would be screwed up for the rest of her life. That's why I always roll my eyes at the "St. Evelyn" BS. That woman was a nut job and she killed herself and blamed her kid for it. John needs to stop waxing poetic about her.
I don't really care for Beth myself. I tend to skip over her scenes. She's toxic and immature, I honestly don't get what Rip sees in her. Jamie is messed up for sure but she's no better. The whole family needs therapy. I hope they wrap up this 'feud' soon. Getting old.
@@nissaniss4251 rip is stuck in a mindset of this is all he knows literally from childhood he's only stayed on that ranch
It’s cause she’s annoying and her scenes are almost always the same?. She isn’t a strong female character. She’s a spoiled entitled brat who hides behind a name because her dad spoils her.
She just gets old quick.
Jamie made a really crappy decision, but he was a teenager under extreme pressure. He was put into a situation he wasn't remotely prepared for and he reacted exactly like what he was, a scared, confused boy in the heat of the moment.
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I find myself rooting for the demise of the Dutton Ranch ..mostly John and Beth.. Everything they hate about Jamie is exactly what they help create
Two of the most emotionally damaged characters on the show. Beth is pure destruction, so reckless. Hope they reveal why Jamie is so brilliant legally and a total imbecile when dealing family. The whole thing with Beth is too much. They were both kids, why doesn't she get that?? She is way too old to keep blaming him. He is way too old to be on his knees as the atty general begging for mercy. He should have sold the land. It would have put an end to all this crap.
They may have both been kids, but what Jamie did to her is permanent. She has to live with it every day of her life. As a woman, it's totally unsurprising that Beth hates him so much, especially when I don't get the sense that he's ever offered a sincere apology for it.
But I agree about the humiliation. It's cringey and way too much. She can hate him without having those types of scenes.
@@cheetahinireland18Her fault for being a thot who got pregnant before she was even 15 lol. She should be thanking Jamie. Rip is only even ALIVE cause John didn’t know at the time.
@@thespy6707 Not disagreeing that she was totally irresponsible and created the mess with a pregnancy. HOWEVER, nope, there's no justification for Jamie not walking his *ss outside and telling her what the repercussions would be. Then she would have to live with the choice made by HER. Instead, he told her it was "fine" and let her unknowingly get a hysterectomy at 15. That's psychotic. Worse because she trusted him and she was young. I mean, the whole scenario would never happen in the real world (with all the holes in it, I don't understand why Sheridan even wrote it), but as it's written, Jamie did do something unspeakably horrible to her. And it makes perfect sense that she hates him.
@@cheetahinireland18 I agree with that. It makes absolutely no sense on multiple different levels. Jamie’s end, the natives side.. none of it. Honestly I’d argue at the end of the day, this was John’s fault. Beth was too terrified to have ever gone to him in the first place.
It’s one thing when a child does this to a normal working father. That’s just anger they’d be afraid of. But Beth had solid reasoning to hide it from him. John is shady and can easily have people killed.. especially rip at the time
@@cheetahinireland18 But Jaime did it out of FEAR of her father, if Beth is to blame anyone it's John, a shitty father who verbally abused his children... Jaime suffers from serious mental problems precisely because John raised him this way. Beth has to get her head out of her ass and GROW up, put herself in each other's shoes, a teenager who fearing repercussions from his father, made a rash and terrible move.
Beth now seems like every toxic feminist's wet dream and she has to evolve as a character and go on... And especially stop being a reckless piece of shit who cries begging her dad to help her when she ruins everything
Real talk, 2:43 scene & 8:08 scene was RAW! Beth was saying some stuff to Jamie where I had to look 👀 @ my own life. I was like DAMN! Think I needed to hear that.
BETH: i'M GUnnAH KEeL YoU, JaMiE!
JAMIE: We'll you had FIVE FARKING SEASONS TO DO IT, BETH.
And this is why I had my daughter make me a sweatshirt that says,”Beth Dutton for President,” and #train station # on the sleeve 😄
This is my biggest nitpick of the show. Their whole relationship is so bizarre and forced. None of it makes any sense, and I'll continue to question why Jamie is treated so poorly by John and Beth. Beth's character would become much more pleasant if her and Jamie made peace with whatever they have going on.
Jamie "helping" Beth with her abortion and getting her sterilized is the reason she hates him.... Or at least that how's I interpreted it last season. As kids they seemed to naturally antagonize each other, which is normal to me because they're siblings and extremely different. But I think the whole abortion thing became the reason why Beth hated Jamie with such a passion, along with him being a political, more ambitious character that Beth can't respect because of how she is. Idk about John - seems like he just never understood Jamie. John is loyal to an extreme, wants only his ranch and his family together, doesn't have much aspiration beyond that but takes power in order to keep things the same. Jamie is a social and political climber and generally out of place at the ranch. He loves Jamie, he's said this before, but it doesn't mean he likes him. Whereas Kayce I think represents everything John respects and likes in another man.
Just my two cents!
It has already been explained. In season 3 it was revealed that Jamie took the teenage Beth to get an abortion after she became pregnant by Rip and didn’t tell her that she was getting a hysterectomy. Now she and Rip can never have a child together. Beth hates him for that as well as how he handles himself and matters related to the ranch. John hates him because he is different from all the other sons that he has raised and makes decisions that are more about his future than the future of the ranch. It was also revealed that Jamie is not even John’s biological son which further put a wedge between the two.
@@syd8010 Right, I understand what the show explained. However, it still doesn't make any sense why Beth so strongly hates Jamie. Yes, she's sterile "because of Jamie." However, she asked him to make it go away without anyone else knowing. If he had taken her to a legit hospital, there would be trails back to Beth being pregnant. He had to take her where he did, which only offered sterilization. They were both young and didn't want any trouble, and were only doing what they thought best.
How they make Beth so narrow-minded and hateful of it all is what I don't get. Her hatred for Jamie is still very uncalled for.
@@ComedyBros5 I definitely agree that Beth's hatred of Jamie is very narrow-minded. I think it's actually one of her biggest flaws in the sense that she will hate Jamie no matter what he does. No matter whether he tries to prove himself or disown the family. I think Jamie to Beth is representative of everything she hates in the world, and she takes it out on him. I'd really like to see their dynamic grow from that because I think there's kernels of more complexity in their relationship here and there. Or maybe the end goal is that they'll take each other down, simply bc there's too much baggage to ever let things go.
It'll be interesting to see what they do in season 5 with these two!
@@ComedyBros5 no, she asked for an abortion not sterlization. even then if Jamie told her about what was about to happen to her maybe she wont hate him so much. figures
Still the same old Beth in season 5. As much as I don't like Market Equity in this series, you can't blame Jamie for wanting to escape the constant bullshit abuse. I used to like Beth but character development just doesn't exist with her character.
Nope not really. She's not a likable character. I tend to ignore her scenes. Jamie isn't too likable either but there are times I do kind of feel sorry for him. The whole family needs therapy. John messed them all up.
@@nissaniss4251she really is annoying. Like Jamie isn’t very good either but he’s easier to like because he isn’t constantly walking around like a spoiled entitled brat who hides behind a name.
5 seasons lol.. it’s been 5 seasons and her scenes with him are ALL basically the SAME.
I love that she waited until the clutter behind her stopped to begin talking I love that actress also how did she put the trap inside her purse without it going off?
Beth and Jamie were children when they made that adult decision but he should have told beth they were going to do that to her but he was a child trying to help his scared sister
he should have told her everything. the fact that he knew what he was doing was wrong and still did it, the fact that he knew not to tell her or she wont have agreed is what is so abhoerntly malicious.
Beth deserves to be upset with Jamie but at some point she needs to move past it. Sit down and talk through it. Acting this way isnt gonna make her have kids or change anything.
I understand Jamie made a mistake but he was a young boy who should've never been put in that situation. He was scared and thought that was the only way people wouldn't find out. I'm sure he regrets trying to help her now and wishes he would've ratted her out to their Dad. But I'm sure Beth would've hated him for that too. Rip would've got kicked out and she would've either been a teen mom or people would know the Duttons abort babies.
Beth needs to grow up and see she put Jamie in a lose-lose situation and he didnt know what to do. You'd think she understand being scared and not knowing what to do after the mom's accident
Never forget Jamie took a gun from a suicidal Beth, he did make a tough decision, but he has been there for her
Also had Jamie talked Rip would be R.I.P. and then Beth would still be mad
It’s kinda getting old
Yep, and it's still going in season 5...
He was 17 when it happen, he was a kid to, he was just a year younger, idk why so many comment lie that he was an adult at the time, they were both scared kids
Beth is a absolute force of nature
Beth hates Jamie for doing what she asked. If she was so afraid of the consequences then she shouldn’t have been around with everybody. Years of hatred and spitefulness is ridiculous. She needs to grow up.
To be fair, Jamie was told by a worker at the clinic that they terminate pregnancies and sterilization is mandatory and he still co-signed for it.
She never asked for a hysterectomy which is very different from an abortion, see as the uterus and the ovaries control the production of hormones and other necessary functions for the female body and she never knew that a hysterectomy was a consequence of the abortion because he lied to her about a thing that would affect her the rest of her life without hesitation, that’s why she hates him
It doesn’t matter how much sex she had, it doesn’t excuse a permanent sterilization without consent from the person who are getting mutiladed
And he was informed of a clinic that he could take her
If a family member made me sterile I would make sure that person is in a living hell
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That’s an oxymoron…there’s no best about them. Beth is evil to him for no reason
Team Jamie all the way. He’s treated like dirt for trying to be who they want him to be.
*Beth stans in a nutshell*
Jaime lies to and betrays Beth- "He's the biggest piece of shit in the world"
Beth lies to and betrays Rip-
"...Jaime's the biggest piece of shit in the world"
I sure you explain the entire charector of Beth in two lines
Beth treats Jamie terrible and I have love/hate for Beth and hate/pitiful feelings about Jamie 🤦♀️
They both need friends outside of the family they are so toxically linked to each other to the point where sometimes I feel like they would be lonely without the other to antagonize they literally live for confrontation especially Beth!!!
I don’t feel sorry for any of them, Jamie acts like a coward, and Beth needs to to grow up
Beth is such a horrible person. Cannot stand her character.
I feel bad for Jamie.
I can see where beth thinks she has him. But i fear she put her father and the ranch at greater risk. There's alot of dead bodies in the "train station" and jamie can easily rat out the family for a plea deal. Because he can put rip, Loyd and many others as people who killed and dumped the bodies on behalf of john dutton. And she could be charged as an accessory for the murder of jamies biological father seeing that she was there taking pictures. he can say she did that to blackmail him after what he did to her when she was pregnant. That can be seen as motive to force him to commit murder. And conspiracy to commit murder since it was one of her options she gave to him. She may be a loyal daughter but I don't see the intelligence in this because if I can see that jamie can now be a bigger threat than so can the writers.
Starting to despise Beth shes sort of spoiling things now with her toxicity…when she is on screen. I just want to say in the words of RIP I don’t have the energy for you today 😂😂
I understand why Beth hates Jamie, but they were kids, and she came to him about being pregnant. Jamie was still a boy. She also shouldn't make his life miserable for so many years
Jamie ass was 21 years old he was not a kid 🙄
Beth with her feet on the table, smoking a cigarette is such a power move!
This storyline is so forced and absurd. First of all, they’d never perform this on her without her knowing. She basically blames him for her own fuckup and it’s absurd. Her character is lame
I notice the writers treat both adoptive sons Jaime & Carter like crap. I was shocked by how nasty Beth and Rip were to Carter. I feel like the writers have some underlying issues with adoptive sons idk. They’re the most abused characters on the show.
Pot calling the kettle black. Beth breaks anytime John raises his voice towards her 🧐🤔
I want Jamie and Beth as a couple so bad😭😭😭
This is not GOT!😂
Two minutes of Beth and i am exausted! Ffs in ANY other soap opera it could have been easy to hate Jamie AND YET thanks to her i kinda feel for the guy!
Is Beth the way she is because of her mother or her father or Jamie? Or all three.. she is bad azz that you hate to love 😂
I was told I look like this Jamie guy from this show so I had to look it up, hope I dont end up like his character lol, he has the face where he looks like 5 different people from each perspective profile, i feel his pain lol
I know what Jamie did is wrong - he should have told Beth the consequences of abortion at that clinic. But this hatred for life does no good for any of them and definitely not for the sake of family….
Also- wouldn’t the clinic mention directly to Beth what she was getting into? They told Jamie but before the procedure they would have to mention it to Beth too…
These moments highlight how superior Wes is as an actor compared to kelly in this series. He just dissolves her act and makes it valueless and dependent on him for her character to maintain.
Jamie was 17 years old when it happened.
their beef is so real
Beth should get off of her high horse, she ain't no saint she is second worst dutton after her father. Jamie should just leave that family broken as its own. Nor Beth or John ever deserves Jamie's sacrifice.
Love Beth
I hope Jamie snaps and makes Beth know fear itself before he's gone for good from the series
I’ve never disliked a character more than Beth.
I love Beth and Jamie. I hope season 5 will have lots of action and fights. So far it hasn't. Hope Mr Sheridan has plans to bring the action back or people will get bored. Thank you
Have you been watching the same season 5 as I have?
@@sawyerwalser1527 no I’ll have to agree with Judith on this. Don’t get me wrong I’m loving this season but this slow build up to something big is just getting a bit too boring if they stretch it out even more.
@spiderboy2718 All action and no plot does not = a good TV show.
It's like Sherdian took Dallas, got rid of all the "soap opera mess," and added more cowboy/ranching with a touch of "danger." It's still a drama.
They'll lose more fans if they fail to continue the tension inside and out of the Dutton family.
Beth should be in an asylum in a straight jacket
Beth does not deserve a happy ending. I hope Jamie ends up on top at the end.
not like jamie had her sterilized or anything, jamie sucks.
🤢🤮 no
Hope he does, too...
Well Jamie murdered his dad.
When beth sends that vegan girl to prison john was so angry and starts talking about morals and right and wrong.
But when beth almost made jamie kill himself he didn’t do anything to her.
I’m not saying it’s all john’s fault but some of it definitely is, he sees how she treats jamie all the time and he even agree with her and never ever defended jamie even before he knew about the sterilization
Seneca Crane never had a better role 😅
12:10 this begs the question what if Jamie told Beth the truth about getting a hysterectomy after he took her to the clinic for an abortion. What if Beth kept a child all for herself what if she told John the truth then what will happen. But most of all how did young Beth got pregnant in the first place? And who got her pregnant?
Rip got her pregnant.
How can anyone side with Beth? She is so toxic you cant help but hate her to your core
Daytime soap show is what this turned out to be. ugh time to find something else to watch
12:40 you know what else is evil Beth telling you're brother to kill himself while he was having a mental breakdown thats evil you now whay else is evil beth stabing your brother with a fork when you were kids what was very VERY stupid was opening you're legs to Rip so 25% is your own fault for the sterilization
Jamie aka wes Bentley was good in Ghost rider!! And I love beth! If they ever get rid of Kevin Costner it will suck to me personally!!
Just once I want to see Jamie get the better of Beth. Just to see him outwit and outmouth her
Jesus 16 minutes and I’m already tired of it. Kudos to all of you who suffered through Beth’s acerbic monologues for 5 seasons.
It’d be a lot more fun if Jamie got the last word too. But she’s always gotta win, even when she’s just as messed up as he is.
Taylor Sheridan: "No one would expect Beth to win *157* times in a row. 'I am the tornado...'"
This shows is great. Let me tell you and it just keeps getting crazier and crazier when more episodes will or probably will come out but there’s this one thing that I think it would just set the top over since Jamie now in this season is basically evil, when it be crazy if Jamie kills Beth
Yall disgust me saying she needs to just “move on” yall dont know how hurtful it is to deal with not being able to have children. You cant tell a person how to heal
I want to feel sympathy for Beth but I could see her doing the exact same thing to someone else.