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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2024
- How hard is it to install integrated handlebars as a home mechanic? Once again, I've jumped into the deep end of bicycle maintenance and mechanics. This time, I'm replacing my handlebars with narrower 38cm bars due to a recommendation from my bike fitter.
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As my current master mechanic says "Aero does not mean sh*t when I have to set up this integrated bulls*t and they're just doing weekend rides for fun". He's kind of right though, in where the consumer pays a premium, but most don't receive the benefits.
You can still use the blue bike stand. Just lower it all the way down until at least the front wheel touches the ground.
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😂
Have you ever heard of a long zip tie to keep your forks from falling..
Why would you pay for a bike fit and not listen to what the fitter tells you 🤦
For real, I can't afford a bike fit and to see someone who has done it, not listening to what the person says is unbearable
Then they wonder why they have fit issues…
Don't forget, correct fit equals going faster
@@ClemBtjust because you get a fit doesn’t mean it’s 100 percent perfect. It depends on that fitter style, and how they think it’s correct. Every fit you will get done will probably be different. A fit is more a point of reference, advice. But doesn’t mean it needs to be followed to a T
😂 a very good point! I technically fit on the 120, the 110 is just a little more optimal. It’s kinda like buying an aero bike when you will be more comfortable on an endurance bike I guess… I just let my vanity win 😜
Great video, but I Love that I don't have to set up or replace integrated cockpits, tubeless wheels, or bleed hydrologic disc brakes. I'm good taking it to the shop, I don't need any reason to hate my bike, lol
for me, being able to fix my own bike makes me "bond" with my bike more, i guess
@@SomeoneKillMesmhThe more you know about your bike, inside and out, the better. That way, you'll know what fits & work and what doesn't.
@@yonglingng5640 true, very true
Cable sheathing and brake hoses can abrade against the steerer tube over time with full concealment . Designers , solve that new problem .
The problem is when you have to pass through gear cables as well. With electronic gears it's quite easy.
Congratulations on the bar swap and thank you from both myself and my local bike shop/mechanic for the reinforcement that there are just some things that I am very happy to pay for!
haha, happy to help!
Funny I much prefer the look of external cables - and shorter stems.
Great point about SRAM documentation! Their support website is super good and very easy to follow. Definitely don't regret moving away from Shimano.
Amazing efforts!
I have always done my own minor adjustments, but earlier this year went full stupid and build my own TT bike from a bare frame and a mountain of parts. Went with SRAM Red AXS and couldn’t be happier. Everything went really smoothly, including routing cables in the frame and inside the cockpit and stem. I spent basically an entire afternoon on it, taking my time to properly lube and torque everything to spec, and it was a rideable bike by the end of the day. The first outdoor ride on this bike was actually my first race of the year! Absolute rocketship.
As I bike mechanic I do not hate this at all, I do however hate customer complaining when I charge them 2 hours of work.
“Whoah! Those are a lot lighter!” 37 grams is the weight of about one big swig of water from your bottle
Or a good snot rocket
@@bonbonflippers4298 ...I dont know if I should be disgusted or impressed. I'm leaning toward impressed 😂
SRAM documentation is awesome. The videos are great as well.
“Then I will have enough length… to satisfy her needs.” I almost spit out my coffee 😂😂😂
@ 4:52 the red olive actually screws off (its reverse-threaded i think). So no need to cut the hose to get that nut off next time. I’d say Sram is genius for that removeable olive! Just put a fresh new one after you’re done and its good.
Awesome job! in your case, you really didn't have to cut the cables. Just undo the "stealthamjig" using the right torx tool, pull out the nut and you're golden.
The plastic tubes that are in the bars when you purchased the bars are used to pull the brake cables through. Can also pull the steel cable from cable routing kit because it fits within plastic tube. Saw the plastic tube in the bars but then it was gone when it was time to route the cables.
The head mechanic at Ritte warned me that wouldn’t actually help with the hydraulic hoses. Great for cables tho. Just didn’t include it in the video cause it was already a bit long 😜
@@MitchBoyer Have a cable route kit that included steel cable and barb fitting to press into hydraulic cable. Just run steel cable through plastic tube then pull plastic tube attach barb fitting to steel cable and press into hydraulic cable. Then pull steel cable which pulls hydraulic cable through bars. Every carbon bar and frame I have purchased uses the plastic tubes which makes the job of pulling cables a 2 minute job.
Thank you I enjoyed that video
Great video mate! Despite not being a BMC, I still enjoyed it.
life pro tip: use a small allen key vs one of those mini screw drivers, broke about 4 of those mini screw drivers last bars I replaced. Keep the videos coming!
You are living the life I want to live in my next life. I love what you get to do and I love your videos. Truly a joy to watch.
Not something I fancy doing anytime soon! Whats the rear light you’re running Mitch??
i did that myself as an amateur. Took a good 3 days
Ooof yeah it’s a tough job, especially as a new mechanic
😂😂😂
When I moved from 42cm bars to 38cm, my knees hit the bar ends on steep climbs. Fortunately I was able to flare them with a car jack( they’re $15 alloy bars). Good thing to know before you buy carbon bars.
I'm too scared to do it myself. Great job.
As a mechanic I like integrated hoses. BUT that depends on the brand, some brands do a good job and some are a pain (factor/black inc come to mind)
I am so happy with my heavy selfmodified fixiebike. I don't have any of your problems, because I simply don't care. Believe it or not, I still have fun riding it.
great video. do you have a link for the part that you threaded onto the end of the hose?
I would if I could, but it’s not available for resale for consumers. I’m hoping SRAM start selling it one day 🤞
Lucky that you had electronic shifting :D With additional cables that would have been a lot worse to set up
The other thing you can do with those tube-end fittings is tie a bit of string or monofilament to them *before* you take the tube out of whatever it's threaded through. Obviously, the string needs to be longer than the full length of the integrated tube route, so that it extends beyond the inlet & outlet. But once you've done that, the next time that particular piece (handlebar, downtube, fork tube, whatever) needs to be threaded with a cable or hydraulic line, you already have a "pilot string" to pull a heavier pilot tube or string for the final install. The magnetic tools are nice, but sometimes a pilot string works better...and if you're selling a take-off, your customer will appreciate you as well.
I paid a bike mechanic on both of my integrated cable bikes. Neither seemed to complain. Both are something I really don’t expect to touch and I assume even a headset service can be done without having to rerun anything.
That you were able to do it is a good sign - def not easy, but doable.
I heard wireless brakes with reservoirs at the calipers are coming. That would be amazing / a little scary.
When figuring out how much you cut off the steerer by measuring the bit you cut off, you have to add the width of the blade. You were a lot closer to 4mm than you think.
I just yank the tube out with a pointed plier and trim off the crushed section. Usually takes me less than an hour to install as an amateur do it yourself bike maintenance. If you find sram easy, bleeding and centering on a shimano is even easier. But my OCD will take me 6hours of adjusting the levers and bartapes to be absolutely symmetrical (to the extend of measuring the overlap gap of each loops of the wrap to be exact lol)
What is the name or part number of that "little piece" you installed (around the 5:36 mark)? Is that something that a bike shop would have? I'm guessing since you went to Ritte directly, they had that part on hand?
Yeah unfortunately I don’t think it’s available for consumers or even bike shops. I got it from the head mechanic at Ritte and he mentioned that they only give them to bike manufacturers. It was so helpful I really wish they sold it!
Was ordering integrated handlebar in January. Cancelled as found out I can't do some simple adjustments easy with stem and separate bar. And most I got were carbon... went with aluminium and titanium. 2 road bars. I get gifted a bike with an integrated cockpit , I always change for simple bars..😂
I can respect that! Ultimately it comes down to what’s important to you. Looks, functionality, aero, etc. I will say, if I can survive swapping integrated handlebars, anyone can! 😂
100% agree that SRAM has a much better home mechanic dataset than Shimano. I have both SRAM and Shimano setups, and it's always a PITA to find the appropriate Shimano instructions. Freetoride RUclips, great help.
I've dealt with both just fine, but SRAM's manuals are indeed pretty detailed, the colour-coding definitely helped.
Haha it gets better. I used to build a full bike (groupset + internal hoses + bleeding) from around 1pm to 10pm. Now it takes me ~3 hours.
(not including a tubeless setup if it gives me problems. then add a full day on top lol)
As a mechanic I love integrated cables and everything that is hard to service at home...more work for me = more money for me🤷
Damn wireless groupset. That looked so easy. Imagine doing that with an older campy or Di2.
I’m very glad there were no more cables to squeeze through the handlebars
Just the fact alone that instead of mineral oil, SRAM uses DOT fluid makes me avoid the groupset entirely. (not that i could ever afford it in the first place). Appreciate the fact that they have thorough maintenance vids though.
When you lost the mark, why didn't you just put the new bar on and mark it (with a scribe) then take it off again?
That would’ve been nice to do, but the hoses would be in the way (they need to be routed through the bars in order to be flush with the spacers beneath) :/
the most thing i need with integrated cables is: hope
Can I ask the brand of your tail light? It's very nice and minimal
It’s the Knog Plus inside a custom mount by Carbon Works
You don't have to cut off old barbs and olives in order to fit them through the cockpit. You have to cur them off and replace them because they're a compression fittings and they are not reusable.
Why dont they make the holes for brake hoses a little larger so the compression fitting does go through?
Right!? I would guess it has to do with maintaining the structural integrity/stiffness of the bars. This one was pretty decent, but some of the bars I’ve seen barely have room for the cables to squeeze through 😳
@@MitchBoyer WRONG! The olive is a compression fitting that deforms when tightened down and is not reusable.
@@MitchBoyer The most complex one I've installed is the Farsports F1 one-piece cockpit and is my most disliked too due to its inconsistent manufacturing quality. I've had to install this model on three different bikes. The cockpit is so non-compliant even my two-piece aluminium cockpit doesn't feel that bone-jarring and my cockpit is on a 6061 triple-butted aluminium frame rolling on 25 mm clinchers wrapped around a pair of aluminium 2008 Mavic Aksiums.
I've had the exact opposite experience. I bled my Shimano brakes for years, got my first SRAM groupset and after 5 tries I gave up and sent it to a mechanic.
Pro tip: use a small strap or strip of velcro between your frame triangle and the arm of your fork to hold your fork up into the headset when taking the stem off 🫡
Good tip, thank you!
When I did that, I remember I used a tall stool to prop the fork with a piece of cloth between the dropouts and the stool.
This was entertaining even without the puppy b-roll but i still miss it 🐶🐶😝😘
Next video there will be extra puppy b-roll I promise 🫡
Mitch going for the longer stem just because of the looks is all of us😂😂
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@@MitchBoyer Why bother with the bike fit?
@@andarenbici there’s a lot more to the bike fit than stem length! Carla helped me find a range of positions that work well for me depending on the context of the ride. Ranging from more aero to relaxed to endurance for gravel rides. The longer stem is more aggressive but still within my bike fit range.
The fact that it took an inexperienced handyman 7.5 hours to change an integrated cockpit where a regular cockpit would have been half an hour.
This is what’s wrong with the industry. To charge even half the time it took you at standard workshop rates is ridiculous for changing a handlebar
It gets worse - a bike with mechanical shifting and these screwball setups require (to use Campagnolo's term) "Maximum Smoothness" cables to shift worth a damn! $100 for ONE of these makes one start to think about electronic shifting next time - exactly what (just like with disc brakes) the planned-obsolescence marketing-mavens designed!
My stem/bar (not one piece) change is gonna put the hoses/cables UNDER the stem and bar tape instead of inside, so I only have to f--k around with this once! I HATE this s--t!
The stem on my bike’s 80mm. I imagine we’ll never ride together 😂
Whats the name of the back light? Looks clean.
Knog Rear Plus light with a mount from CarbonWorks 🫡
@@MitchBoyer thank you kind sir.
what and where to get this rear light mount
It's a 3D Printed mount from CarbonWorks. The light is the Knog Rear Plus light
I dont hate them. I use a park tool cable router and magnet. Never had an issue. 😂 You made that look so complicated.
You’re a better mechanic than me!
@@MitchBoyer I got over 20 years in the shops my friend! Muscle memory! Doesn't mean I know everything. True story. When I was going to buy my current bike, I took your BMC video into consideration. I went with a Roadmachine 01 Five and built it to a three. You were right man. Great bike. Thanks for the advice! Maybe some day we will cross paths and do a challenge together 😁
This is why most of the bike mechanics don’t like to work with internal cables. Cuz it pain in the ass when come to headsets bearings change and more etc.
Love sram's two syringe method compared to shimano. So much cleaner and faster.
I will never own a bike with fully integrated stem/bars and internal cable runs. Just no. You don't have to deal with all that stuff; you can stick with the classic external style, which looks -- classic -- and costs an almost imperceptible amount of watts in aerodynamic drag. BTW, you can easily adjust the Park stand to work with the front wheel on the floor.
Just use the park tool thingy.
Overriding the bike fitters advice, for looks? Not sure that’s a good idea.. not sure a 120 stem looks better than a 110, or if anyone else could tell the difference? The 110 would have been lighter too
Try doing it with Di2 cables in routed as well 🤦♂️ 🤬🤯🤬🤯
Nice video. But better don't even try to calculate how much you would have to ride your bike for your time savings on the road to make up for the extra time setting it up... ;-)
No thank you to intergrated handlebars, for myself it's not worth the effort and headaches, I hear other mechanics cursing all the time when working with intergrated handlebars, so to say I will have not plans to joining that party any time soon.
Lesson #1: never start a big bike change the evening before something important 😂
or… always start the night before and stress yourself out… oh wait nevermind 😂
This is a current theme. It makes for great suspense. I like
Wow... name of the tail light please? 😊
Knog Plus Rear light with a 3d printed mount by CarbonWorks
@@MitchBoyer thank you 😊
Late again....That was funny haha
18s into the video, and you broke a promise. 🤣
oops 😅
yup, i prefer to run shimano for compatibility but installation is not a contest. sram does it so much better than shimano. and shimano already improved compared to previous gen that was probably designed by a macaque
when did Sebastian Vettel start a RUclips Channel?
I'm worried about what's coming 😨
If the weight of bars is in grams then those are so heavy 😂
It is in grams, with a single decimal point.
Me when i built my AlieExp bike😭😭😭. I’m hoping my integrated routing cable tool will help me next time(doub it) 😆🤣😅✌️✌️✌️
My aliexp cable routing tool worked really well to pass gear and brake cable (inner) through an integrated bar. Then sliding the outer cables over it.
Carla is right! LOL
Justice for Carla 🪧
2:58 Or just lower the mech stand so the bike is standing on the floor.
Stick to bar and stem cheaper
Try again with old school mechanical shifter and you know why mechanics hate them to the core.
Bro, you literally threaded two cables... Mechanical groupsets have 4! If you tried doing that video you wouldn't have made it to that group ride....NEXT WEEK 😂
You don't have to cut off the thingamajig, you can unscrew them...
I might be wrong, but I think once it's been used it becomes compressed on the hose and no longer unscrews. Or maybe my arms have atrophied so much from cycling I'm just very weak 😂
Are you sure you were wearing enough safety equipment for cutting that steerer ?
My hazmat suit hasn’t arrived in the mail yet, so I had to make do with what I had
@@MitchBoyerIt cheaper to teach your wife or kids to do it.
Is it just me or is he looking more and more like sebastian vettel
I am here just to say that thanks to the last video promoting a huge give away my inbox is daily full of spam: Thank you 😂
If bike mechanics don’t like dealing with integrated cables, they probably aren’t charging enough for that type of service. As a customer, I’m happy to pay what a service is worth but I really don’t want to hear any complaints. If you don’t like doing the work, keep it to yourself.
yeah that sucks. i am happy i like the look of cables and i even like the feel on mechanical brakes.
my stuff is not integrated. maybe my day will come - i just got my first bike about a year and ahalf ago and i have no desire to upgrade yet. your experience is my nightmare - on far too many occasions have i tried to DIY only to FEU (let the reader understand). This is why i don't feel bad paying ppl money to do things for me - ever.
Airplanes have cockpits, bicycles do not.
Look up the definition of cockpit.
Dont cut the hose. JustDremel the red thingy off carefully, 👍🏽
I dont care at all. Ill take it to shop and just get it done 😂
90 grams for few hundrets dollars? I can took a sh!t and I will be lighter than this... (JK) :D Good work!
Next video he will replace his skeleton with carbon. Saving 1 kg.
Sooo how much $$ was spent in addition to hours? 90 grams for how much money? I get that's it for content on YT and all, but I cannot imagine all that making any significant difference whatsoever unless you are racing.
lol nothing about this hobby makes financial sense. It’s just for fun 🫡
I can tell you going from 42cm to 38 allowed me to ride without my hands going numb for the first time. I didn’t think it would work, but I tried it only because I had a cheep pair of bars the right size. I used aero bars for years before saw a bike fit video that suggested it.
This is the reason no young kids are entering the sport. Impossible to do bike maintenance on this stuff as a 15/16 year old
early!
If you are doing this day- in day-out it’s quite a simple procedure and you know all the tricks so after three or four swaps, it will take you maybe two hours.
I actually wonder myself why you are doing such a complicated installation for just cutting the tube. Just grab vacuum cleaner, spray some Alcohol and you’re good to go.
One word as advised by the Biden Administration “Don’t” 😂
Great, I get to see the back of your head even less.
😂 at ponies we’re all trying to keep up with someone else
2:37 🤓 actually it's the normal contact force between the wheel and ground, not gravity
Well gravity pulls everything down.
@@ketle369 🤓 In this instance Mitch was refering to the force pushing up, therefore holding the fork in. The weight caused by gravity would be the interaction pair between the wheel and the earth.
Thank god I ride 10 year old road bikes which are lighter, faster and easier to work on.
Well, you got 1 out of 3 correct 😂
Nevermind the older bikes gearing sucks bad. They don't climb as good either.
Older bikes are easier to work on for sure.
No longer lighter and definitely not faster.
Def not as nice tho
I delbrately chose all 3 of my bikes with semi integrated cabling only for exactly this reason. I want to do my own mech work and not have it take hours, and cost a fortune with proprietary parts.