Using Toontrack Superior Drummer 3.0 with an Electronic Kit
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
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Award-winning engineer George Massenburg recorded the sounds in Superior Drummer 3 at Galaxy Studios in Belgium. He utilized Galaxy Hall (the studio's main multi-purpose room), which is renowned for its near-perfect acoustics. Over 230GB of raw, unprocessed sounds were captured with eleven surround microphones, for playback in stereo and up to 11.1 surround. Massenburg used nothing but world-class gear, including mics from Neumann, Sennheiser, Ehrlund, Beyerdynamic, AEA, Sanken, and Schoeps.
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Specs & History
1:45 - Sound Library Demo
3:40 - Ayotte Kit
5:01 - Gretsch Old School
5:34 - Ludwig Classic
6:16 - Ludwig Concert
7:20 - Premier Kit
7:55 - Yamaha Beach Custom
8:36 - Creating A Custom Kit
15:20 - Funk Delicious Kit
15:53 - Atta Boy Vs. Cliff Kit
17:00 - Rock Kit #1
17:44 - The Mixer Page
23:37 - Thanks For Watching 
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if only e-drum manufacturers could get this same quality of sound into their modules
@ they probaly could if they put toontrack superior drummer 3 text on the module but then the modules would have to cost more and toontrack would have to get some money from the sales
@ They could - they'd just have to either license an existing VST, ala "Mimic Pro", or just record their own drum samples with the same quality.
They could, but it doesn't really matter either way. If people want the better sounds just go with a program like this and use your laptop as a module. Modules are always going to be limited anyway unless they practically make them like a mini computer but that's why it's better to just hook up a laptop.
Superior Drummer cost already 300$ without module. So of you put it in module, it would be very expensive
@@tombodineau9509 no i dont mean put superior dummer itself in the moduels, i mean just be abe to have the same quality of sound as superior drummer 3 on a drum moduel
Default kits:
0:09 - Pearl Masterworks (24")
3:04 - Pearl Masterworks (22")
3:54 - Ayotte
5:18 - Gretsch Round Badge
5:48 - Ludwig (1970s)
6:37 - Ludwig (concert tom kit)
7:29 - Premier
8:03 - Yamaha Beech Custom
Preset kits:
15:27 - Funkadelicious
16:14 - Kanibal
17:10 - Bob Rock Rock Kit #1
Kevin Osborn what Wurly did you use on this track?
I'm just a viewer.
Nick is really an awesome drummer, and a great presenter. Love listening to the guy
Great software and great demo. I liked a lot the fact that you loaded and played the default kits so that we could hear them work in a real musical context. Thanks a lot for this review. Hoping to have SD3 soon!
That Bob Rock at 17:03 sounded impressive, something I never heard before on any other software.
Some seriously impressive sampling from the Toontrack folks.
Got my Superior 3.0 upgrade via Sweetwater (been using Superior since 2008). You are a hell of a presenter, man. Killer vid!!!
And an excellent drummer!
This is a deep world I've just entered, thanks Nick for the pro tips
wow, the toms have the sound of the snare rattling as well.
Great video ! Thank you 🙏 Sweetwater, you really have become an excellent power house of a musical instrument company ! 8:32 - changing out sounds. 10:40 - Mapping sounds
First time in so many years of electronic drums and its programming, that I hear the snare respond almost perfectly, the attack and style of the drummer, with the funk example I heard perfectly the ghost notes and the positioning of the drumstick in different places of the snare drum head.
Nice-It's about time someone made great- neat sounding preset kits.
Terrific tutorial. So complete and informative. Great drumming as well.
The ayotte snare sounds amazing.
These guys are fast, the software isn't even out yet.
65 Drums Well, Sweetwater had, like several music media brands, exclusive access to the software as they were invited by Toontrack to Belgium already in March where they were introduced to the software. Anyway, they did a great job like always. Nick is a fantastic drummer and presenter.
I guess this is a no-brainer for me, Huub. ;) Of course I will as I use Superior Drummer 2 and EZDrummer2 almost exclusively for the last years.
you gotta buy..
65 Drums you're correct
65 Drums Jason could you please tell m the best laptop is too run this program with my new and awesome Roland td17, thanks in advance.
Looks and sounds fantastic. Can't wait. I wish I had the need for 11.1. Maybe one day.
Can't wait to get my hands on SD3!! Love that backing track Nick is playing to, 23:35 reminds me very much of Carry On My Wayward Son.
Nick, you're the best... Thank you
Impressive demo! And funny too. I'm listening on computer speakers, but can tell by the look on the drummer's face that it sounds awesome.
Thanks Nick, lotta fun for sure
Great demo Vic
Must. Have. This.
We have the best chocolate, and recently the best recording studio. Belgium, small but proud country. Great video!
@5:53 Ludwig. All the Cream songs. Sunshine, crossroads, white room. I want THAT!!
I love how he still waits to the cymbal decay to start to talk again despite of using a edrum
Wow! That is seriously impressive
Holy crap I need to get SD3...those sounds are incredible!
SO stoked the 'tuning' knob has changed. Trying to get the tuning right on SD2 was always impossible as it was so sensitive. Can't wait to give this a spin.
22:30
Love your Demos on Sweetwater and all the Spock's Beard Material.
those sound amazing
I was looking for a sample library to overlay my church's digital drums with, I think I found it.
I'll definitely be upgrading from Ezdrummer. Great demo!
Very impressive
Thanks!
So excited for this! It's driving me nuts. Toontrack is the real deal for sure. I am wondering if this will cause them to phase out the EZ Drummer line though. Not sure how they could make a new version that could be easier than this. Time will tell I guess.
Phasing is main issue with the superior drummer products.
Every mix the drum have weired phasing issues in a mix
@@colinparks619 you can change phase in the program or in the daw.
Can you tell me how to go from using the tone in my Roland module to Superior. When you showed the video, yours automatically switches tones, but for some reason I can’t get mine to change. What am I missing?
thank god for midi drum software, it makes buying an electronic kit worth it
NICK IS SUCH A PRO :-)
Nick - any idea if the crashes can be mapped so you're able to trigger an edge crash or a top ping sound with 2-zone cymbal pads? I know at least one of the older SDX had crashes that you could map like that (I think it was the Music City SDX). Thanks for the great demo video... can't wait to get my hands on this!
The video I’ve been looking for!!! I got get good drums!!! Cheaper and sounds way way better!!!
Hey I noticed that hi hat pedal activity shows up on the GUI. Is this new to SD 3.0? Will the VH-11 hat have similar results?
Great Vid! …just wish there was some info out there about SETTING UP e-drums in SD3. Many of us have non-default sets, and it's quite annoying to get them adjusted properly. Not a lot of help in that area.
MIDI premapped! Sold!
That Ludwig kit is out of this world!!! I can hear Ginger Baker or Carmine Appice slammin those old Big Ludwig kits. ! It’s worth the $300 crossgrade just for that kit only...to me....I’ll be playing Cream songs all day long on that kit
Wow That Bob Rock.. rocks lol
Hi Nick. Couple of questions. I noticed when you click on a drum it just highlights it for editing/replacing and does not play the sample. Can you still hear the sample if you click on the head of the drum or do you have to hit the pad on the e drum kit? Also, can you preview sounds before you change them when you are selecting from the drop down menu like you can in SD2? It looked like you had to select it and then hit the pad to hear it in this demo. I hope that's not the case on both of these questions cause that would be strange. Thanks!
Galaxy Studios is in my backyard 😎
The drum sounds are fantastic. Cymbals samples are near-perfect. I've owned multiple e-drum kits and Toontrack 2.0, and my only issue is the FEEL of e-cymbals. I would love to see the manufacturers work on getting their cymbals to have a more realistic response and feel. Other than that, most modern e-kits with mesh heads are just as good as playing on an acoustic kit.
Have you looked into Field electric cymbals? If you want cymbals that feel real and trigger great, these are what you want. They are made of real metal.
John Ryan Had the same issue.. Roland is and always has been the #1 company for electronic drums. And their own cymbals felt heavy and unnatural. Now Roland is releasing a new set of thin e cymbals, coming out next month. Super pumped for that
This is a nice walk through of SD3. I wouldn’t say this is a video about using SD3 with an electronic drum kit, as the title suggests. There’s very minimal demonstration of preset mapping connection.
I was expecting and hoping to see a video focused on how an electronic drum kit integrates into SD3. There are so many different subtle articulations in SD3, and I’m trying to determine what features I need in an electronic kit to be able to exploit them all for the most intuitive playing experience and realistic midi performance capture. If anyone knows where to find this info, I’d appreciate some direction! Thanks!
This is the way.
How many different cymbal articulations are there in Superior Drummer 3? Are there bell, bow, and edge for all cymbals including crashes, or just bow and edge or just edge? I have a hard time finding this info or a list of info for the cymbals like they have for the drums.
Hi Nick... good info on this video.. Can we hear some Snare and Rim work (Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa)?
Thanks!
Are your electronic Drums single zone and if so does the software compensate to add more zones for a more human feel ?
How do you avoid lag between the drumkit and PC?
@@dzmusicstudios Thx for your answer.
Hi what can you tell me about the lattency playing live? it seems there is no lattency when you play with the td 50. i have a td30, do you think i will have the same lattency with a macbook pro?? thanks
Really good tutorial, I am just trying to figure out why he never played the RIDE,.
I can't distinguish this from real drums anymore. If you make me listen to those songs he's playing here I'd never guess it's samples. Toontrack have really surpassed themselves. There's no reason to play electronic drums with anything else than this software. In fact Roland should release their drum modules with superior, there's no reason to use their crappy machine gun sounding technology anymore.
THIS. Roland has too much pride to just make a version with SD3 onboard. It sounds so good though, that if they did, no one would ever buy anything else.
@@iloveNgany It's not pride. If anything what Roland is doing is really great R&D that might outdo any samplers in the distant future.
Due to the sound being syntesized, you can create an actual different sound per hit per distants. You can't mimic that with sampling.
It sounds terrible but it still plays more fantastic and more realistic.
That said, with the TD-50 you can still get decent sounds out of it. It's actually being used by some pretty big musical/broadway productions in my country.
@@annekedebruyn7797 it sounds terrible but plays more fantastic sorry you lost me at that part sister 😂
@@iloveNgany How so?
Samples often sound odd due to a sample being too loud or too soft for that velocity.
As the Roland sounds are procedural, it sounds more to what you expect from a certain hit.
If you are just drumming for the sake of drumming, high end modules are way better at giving that realistic feel than even the utmost high end samplers.
Obviously for recording you don't want the module. I am strictly talking to playing.
@@annekedebruyn7797 yeah sorry I'm not catching what you're throwing. I've played the high end roland modules and they always sound 10 times better through superior drummer. My ears dont lie.
Sept 12th it'll be out
Hey Nick ! Can I combine the best of two worlds from the TD-50 and SD3? I wanna play SD3 via midi from my MacBook. Do I have the full features of the roland multizone snare and ride ? Thank you
Thanks for the question, Ralf. The TD50 with the USB pads does work in tandem. So anything you are doing with SD3 is of course going to be MIDI, which will be translated via the pads and brain. Positional information is sent via MIDI, as well as high resolution velocity information. If you check the MIDI implementation chart it does detail that information:
www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/td-50/owners_manuals/8075ee4f-867d-4f8e-bf76-20778dbbe2a5/
Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Derek Senestraro, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1243, derek_senestraro@sweetwater.com
Folks, the whole deal here for a drummer is latency. I won't discuss it deeply, but I'll say what I do to execute home recording, but after the basic note. The basic note (pun not intended) is that if you gig or jam at home and want the very best normal situation, you just send the midi to your PC and let SD3 respond as a standalone -- NOT as a plugin in your DAW. Send that resulting analog sound to a mixer and use that as your monitor. Then, if you want to record it, open your DAW and do the same thing (that is, monitoring via direct analog outputs from the module to your mixer/PA) while also recording the MIDI in your DAW. Record the MIDI with no effects on any tracks/busses. Then load SD3 into your DAW and record from the MIDI track you just made into an audio track -- typically called "freezing" the track. You'll be sending the MIDI to the SD3 soft-synth. THEN, realize that depending on your audio card and CPU you will have latency of from 5-20 ms no matter what, and shift the audio track timing accordingly.
The whole problem with PC digital audio is transform latency. A/D and D/A just take time, and YOU have to decide where it bothers you and what you can tolerate and/or shift after jamming.
And, to just give some perspective, if you record the output of your module and the output of SD3 audio at the same time, expand the audio and see who is lagging!
All those angry faces when they plug their 5 years old asus with a cheap usb midi cable and they hit the snare, go grab a coffee and come back to hear it
So can somebody explain to me how you actually get these sounds from the computer to the drums?
Midi from the box on the E-drum kit (if its capable) via Usb B to Usb A cable to your computer
i have Roland TD9, but the hi hat does not respond correctly when i use inside Reason 9.5, a work around is to set midi control pedal cc to mod 1 and hh compatibility TD9/TD20
Question; You mentioned a couple times about the different drum brain/model itself being an option to pick, but all I saw on the drop down menu was different Edrum 'brands' - not the brains/models themselves
11:20 ish
TheLambIsGood There are little differences like with a roland td20(?) and above you have the different areas on snare and ride, which can be picked up by SD3.0 but other than that I know of no reason to buy a better drum module.
I bought a Roland kit for the hardware, 3 years ago. All due to the fact that the "pandemic" had set in and my acoustic kit wasn't going to get played much, w/o my wife killing me, lol. I say that I bought it for the hardware, as I knew the factory sounds were lackluster at best before I made the purchase. But Roland makes the most durable electronic pads in the industry, hands down. It is frustrating to pay over 3K for a TD27KV, plus expansion pads and have such unnatural factory sounds. I have played through GGD or stock sounds, that entire time. The main problem with GGD, is that the Hi-Hat CC learn function, is extremely touchy and basically a massive headache, to get any decent sound out of the Hi-Hat. Finally taking the plunge on this software, as I've seen so many other reviews, where the Hi Hat Functionality is so much easier to set up with SD3. Being able to adjust the HH articulations manually, through the entire travel range, is a massive deal. Can't wait to dive in!!
The freaking CYMBALS sound so good. It is disgusting how much money I will now have to spend. I MUST HAVE THIS
This is what I needed I’m starting from scratch first I have to pick a kit, then purchase superior drummer then a laptop lol but I love drums so it’s an investment I’m willing to make. Are there songs to play to in the program?
Could you (for instance) assign a splash to a rack tom using SD3 and a Roland kit? Td-25kv to be specific...
I've noticed on a few message boards people complaining that can only use tom samples for tom pads, cymbals for cymbals ect when using the Td-25kv module. Can you work around this in SD3?
Thanks for the question, SIR. On the built-in sounds you are limited to the category of that pad… kick sounds to the kick pad, etc. But in Superior Drummer you can select any sound you want via the MIDI note that you are triggering. So yes, to answer your question directly, you can do what you are suggesting. Thanks, and let me know if I can help with anything else.
Derek Senestraro, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1243, derek_senestraro@sweetwater.com
Hi, I bought crimson edrum and want to trigger superior drummer which version should I buy and how much
What happened to an upgrade price from SD 2.0? Why would an upgrade price be time limited? I still purchased 2.0.
Is there an update on the TD-17 now ?
How do I hook up laptop to dtx 700 module
Does anyone know what stand Nick used to put his laptop on?
Will there be a smaller/lower bit-rate version for those of us with small hard drives? Cheers!
What about cymbals what brands, sizes, models, variations and stuff do they have the Ability to do stacks, can you download stuff, etc...
I wish everyone was like Nick
i wonder if my kit, the Roland TD9 is mapped out on SD3 ?
Sounds perfect now I just need a laptop.
Nice... can i ask something... I'm intending to use SD3 to trigger from
my edrums and play live with it. So, is it necessary to install the full
package? I suppose it is when you are intending to record and mix at
the most professional level, but for now I just want a really nice
sounding edrum kit to play live. I've already got EZdrummer 2 and I like
it, but i've read that the whole playability is a lot better with SD3.
thx very much in advance
The basic install, around 43 gb is fine
What kind of sound card interface is been used in this video. I have tried Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 second gen, but are srugglin with the latency
Same.
@@biohead66 decrease the buffer size
Install and choose ASIO for sound, and lower the buffer/latency as far as possible. Solid state drives (system and USB) are a huge help, too.
Hi, wondering what audio interface do you use to have no noticeable latency play realtime?
I have EZdrummer 2 and I am disappointed that I have a quarter second delay using EVO4 audio interface. I am not confident in spending the money to upgrade to SD3 until I know I can play without noticeable latency.
I use a rme raydat in a desktop lowest rtl available latency is in noticed monitoring sd3 through my daw! Also the older hdsp 9652 also does a great job but retired it when I upgraded my pc but you can still build a 9th intel i7 searching for a board with legacy pci slots! That’s what I used before I went to a12th gen intel i9 unfortunately no legacy pci on any modern motherboards Cince 2018
I have a Roland TD-1K. When playing with Reason's Kong Drums, I can't really play anything faster than 1/8th notes because the midi doesn't trigger. Now is that the kit's problem? Just wondering because playing Superior Drums with the TD-1K would be awesome.
Well, I answered my own question. Bought SD3 yesterday and there is zero latency.
did Bob Rock give up his St. Anger drum kit sound?
Haha, the trash can snare! Awful
Nick Rules!!!!
PLEASE HELP… I cannot figure out how to get my TD-17 to properly function, most notably with the cymbal choke capabilities… So far, everything Ive tried has only allowed me to get the choked cymbal “sample” to be on one of the cymbal zones…. So whether I hit it with a stick, or pretend to choke it, the result is the same.Even if I did keep it that way(I never would), its still not even that usable because it usually triggers the sample again before I can remove my hand from the cymbal.
whats a great kit to use for triggering? the atv looks nice, but i'm a hobbyist and not sure i should spend that sort of money.... thanks
Great video. Did anything change as far as using generic mode inside of the Roland TD50? When using MacBook Pro TD50 goes offline when in generic mode. Looking at my MacBook sound output it doesn’t show up at all and neither inside my protools. But it seems to work in Vendor.
what the hell did they do to the Kick sound on this ?
Nick is a beast of a drummer. Could sell ice to the Eskimo
Anyone know if the maps Toontrack provide for Roland TD-10 will make use of positional sensing on the snare?
While at it, do they also provide drum brain maps for the E-Z drummer line?
Thanks for the interest, Chris. Not sure on the maps with positional snare sensing, but if the brain supports it (which, pretty sure the TD-10 does), that should work. And yes, there are E-Drum mappings in EZ Drummer, as well. Of course, it is very simple to remap as needed. Let me know if you have other questions.
Derek Senestraro, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1243, derek_senestraro@sweetwater.com
Is the "Humanize" feature carried over from SD2? It sounds a little machine-gunny to me on certain kits and especially on the toms
Hi Nick. Excellent demo and playing, thanks so much for the detail. Would you explain how with the straight forward hookup fromTD 50 to SD3 how you achieve such good volume levels from the Kits/Samples that you were triggering. I've SD2 at present and triggering from TD30 or TD50 results in very low volume levels unless I increase pad sensitivity to high levels (not desirable as playing dynamics are ruined). Any suggestions or fixes would be welcome. Best regards, Bob Jenkins
Did you ever figure this out? I just submitted a case with both roland and SD for same issue. Seems like a widespread issue. This demo is one of the reasons I bought my TD kit and upgraded to SD3 so its frustrating when it's not even usable due to low velocity. Seems the roland module and SD velocities are matching but just very low. You can hit a drum as hard as you can and it still only registers 70 or so for velocity which will translate to real time low volume or midi performance low velocity after your finished recording in a DAW. I've tried other DAWs and have same issue so I am guessing its something in the module. Adjusting pad sensitivity doesnt seem to be the answer since the kits in the module sound fine and loud
@@GregSummersMusic You need to increase the USB Audio input gain, explained here: ruclips.net/video/89LSAx5QBeg/видео.html
Hello guys. I am also having issues with my TD27 module and SD3. I am connecting my MacBook Pro with an USB-B to USB-A cable, and the connection is established but the sounds when hitting the pads are low and totally different compared when mouse-clicking the virtual drums. Could you solve this issue? This makes SD3 unusable. Thanks in advance!
What would you recommend for the scenerio of a TD-30 Kit and a good processing Laptop, but low storage? Id like to play w/ the superior drummer 3 but I am afraid of latency and loading problems when I use it from an external hard drive
Hello, Fynn. Plenty of folks do exactly this! I recommend at minimum 8gb of ram and an Intel i5 or greater. Obviously, more on both fronts will speed up load time.
Thanks for the interest!
Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
I've found that solid state drives, for system and USB (along with ASIO sound), virtually eliminates latency.
Hey is there anywhere I can find a how to on connecting my Roland td 17 to trigger these sounds. I just got sd3 and tried to link it with no luck, I'm tenologicaly impaired so any help would be great!
Thanks for the message, Chad. Probably something best to talk through over the phone. You can email or call me and I'd be happy to point you in the right direction. Appreciate the interest.
Derek Senestraro, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1243, derek_senestraro@sweetwater.com
This all looks great - for portability, what amps or amps would be recommended say for rehearsal or small gig? Gigs with no large PA?
my question is " Why is nobody demoing with snare cross sticks. everybody is playing from the center or the rim shot. could we please have something that shows how to trigger crosstick from these electric drums?
My problem is latency and triggering. Even with the Roland Um-One I can't get decent latency in Ableton. I can only use Asio4all and choose between latency and decent timing. The driver for the roland Um-one won't show up in Ableton as midi in only Asio. I have the Roland td-9. It registers off time, hit and miss and with latency. It's not playable. Even with 128 sample rate. I will try the special sd3 mapping if that makes a difference.
What’s wrong with the preloaded Roland kits?
Hi Guys. Not a new drummer but newish to electronics. I have a slightly tired but fully functional Roland TD-12 but the display has died. Am I right to think that this module can just be used as a slave trigger for SD3? Is there any latency going through a laptop or can I use a 5 year old Toshiba i5 Laptop? I was thinking of buying a new Roland module but this route sounds like a better solution, am I right? Thank you.
Does it djent?
That's really interesting. Now, IF ONLY someone had thought it was important to make a video explaining how to make an electronic drum set actually send a signal to Superior Drummer so the drum set could play those cool sounds. Why has nobody ever thought we might want to know why the drum set isn't talking to the software when we connect them with a USB cable?
There's other video's out there if you're not tech savy.
I agree. I watched this video because the title suggest thats what hes be doing. Quite disappointed
That's the same reason I haven't bought this yet I've heard some horror stories about latency and getting the software to work with the drum module. I have a Roland TD12 and a Toshiba laptop. If I connect them via MIDi to USB, will I have any problems? Or is it that simple?
@@ciadella1971 Did you get an answer, you have the same setup as me. Thank you.
@Carl Ciadella Las Vegas Drummer exactly my reason for not buying sp3 for my efnote5x
How do you connect the electronic drum to the computer? do you used some audio interface?
It looks like you connect via midi output on the drum module to USB input on the computer.