Vingegaard's BRILLIANCE VS Pogačar & Evenepoel

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Комментарии • 958

  • @LeeLee-fi7mx
    @LeeLee-fi7mx Месяц назад +80

    It's a team sport, Remco just forgot that Jonas is not his teammate.

  • @angelamacchi977
    @angelamacchi977 Месяц назад +56

    This stage was so impressive!! So much nervous! Bravo Jonas and Roglic!

    • @FedericoG-p3w
      @FedericoG-p3w Месяц назад

      Amazing stage if they were the only fab4 racing 😅😅😅

    • @miscellaneous1979
      @miscellaneous1979 Месяц назад +6

      If the stage was about Jonas and Roglic it was been so boring, the attacks make the race great, but those tow only attack if they REALLY have to, so BRAVO Tadej and Remco!! Hope that one of this two win the Tour!!

  • @ErickGonzalesF
    @ErickGonzalesF Месяц назад +145

    Roglic survived the first week without crashes. Rog was playing super safe to survive the first week. now really looking forward to see more from him

    • @indonesiaamerica7050
      @indonesiaamerica7050 Месяц назад +9

      Roglic is one of the most interesting riders to follow. He seems to have the potential to win any race that he enters. And yet...no Tour in the bag up to this point.

    • @ErickGonzalesF
      @ErickGonzalesF Месяц назад +7

      @@indonesiaamerica7050 I do really hope he performs on the mountains he has been smart this week

    • @jademermaidmusic
      @jademermaidmusic Месяц назад +14

      Roglic is very lucky not to be 4 minutes behind already

    • @Guzguz28
      @Guzguz28 Месяц назад +10

      I’m team Rogla all the way… let’s wait for week3 when everyone needs the energy to get over the queens…😂❤

    • @grimgorlefort
      @grimgorlefort Месяц назад +2

      Well this was the easy week and he seems to have alrdy some problems. I think he will be dropped hard this wenesday, and never come back to top 10

  • @donquique1
    @donquique1 Месяц назад +41

    Matteo was fing brilliant today. Visma is so much better coached than the rest and that counts for a lot.

    • @suisinghoraceho2403
      @suisinghoraceho2403 Месяц назад

      Visma lease a bike had plenty of knucklehead moves this season and this Tour, but they raced well on this stage.

  • @ahwinds9256
    @ahwinds9256 Месяц назад +81

    As we’re moving deeper into the tour, Jonas Vingegaard and his team are slowly but surely playing the cards better and better.
    This is getting more intriguing by the stages.

    • @recrevs963
      @recrevs963 Месяц назад +1

      Yeah I wonder which one of the mountain stages coming up they have circled for all out attack?

    • @ahwinds9256
      @ahwinds9256 Месяц назад

      @@recrevs963 we’ll have to wait patiently to see. 😁

    • @fangru7294
      @fangru7294 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@recrevs963 I bet it will be stage 15 or 19/20. They do not have that much shots because team is not that strong this year...

    • @Knofris
      @Knofris Месяц назад +1

      They played their cards well yesterday because they had the riders for it, but it won’t be the same in the mountains, as it already showed before.

  • @BinaryClay
    @BinaryClay Месяц назад +5

    Thank you for the first intelligent analysis I have heard regarding stage 9. Finally a person with some insight! So tired of the media trying to make this into a war between the top 3-4.

  • @pattynjan1
    @pattynjan1 Месяц назад +175

    My heart broke for jasper stuyven ..

    • @ChrisHornerCycling
      @ChrisHornerCycling  Месяц назад +25

      Split right down the middle. That was rough. 💔🦋🥲

    • @janweyant8902
      @janweyant8902 Месяц назад +2

      That's bike racing! But if you don't try you can't win!

    • @MekonenBeraki-ln1id
      @MekonenBeraki-ln1id Месяц назад +1

      I was screaming Jasper!!! Jasper as if can hear my on thr TV screen....it was a bad luck. Hopefully he will get at least one win before the tour is over

    • @GC3-4370
      @GC3-4370 Месяц назад +1

      So close

    • @holmbjerg
      @holmbjerg Месяц назад +1

      Yes, was rooting for him especially because Lidl-Trek had just lost Mads Pedersen to a crash. They deserved some success.

  • @sjwills8450
    @sjwills8450 Месяц назад +28

    Remco would be the first to complain if he had to ride a colleagues bike for most of the race, and the others worked together -against him. H's such a child

    • @pgy8863
      @pgy8863 Месяц назад +1

      This is Remco's first TdF, where the pressure is so incredibly high. Remember his whole cycling-crazed country and its media are on him all the time. He's very young. He's learning.

  • @koosreitsma1171
    @koosreitsma1171 Месяц назад +12

    Again a great analyse. Thank you Chris. Indeed priority number one: don't lose time. Great riding by Pogacar en Evenepoel, but 100% clever riding by Vingegaard en Visma-Lease a Bike. It's very easy to judge Vingegaard, but it is not easy to ride a tough stage on bicycle that is not yours. Excellent team work by Visma-LAB

  • @spacemouse4716
    @spacemouse4716 Месяц назад +105

    I just hope to God that Remco continues to be the red-headed stepchild of the peloton who won’t take ‘no’ for an answer and refuses to go away.

    • @roebbiej
      @roebbiej Месяц назад +11

      Let's see if that attitude gets him through the mountains

    • @Guzguz28
      @Guzguz28 Месяц назад

      @@roebbiej😂😅

    • @de4ds1ghtcsgo94
      @de4ds1ghtcsgo94 Месяц назад +3

      Mid to medium yes. High altitude is his weakness😂​@@roebbiej

    • @ivanj86
      @ivanj86 Месяц назад +3

      I like these always-attacking riders, Pogi and Remco (and I like the more conservative/sniping riders, like Jonas or Primoz). Don''t think the first two spent *too* much energy in this stage / the first week, but really have no idea how the race will shape up and the riders will be in the last 1.5 weeks. It's gonna be interesting to see for sure, could be the best Tour since years or even decades.

    • @MrBradfordchild
      @MrBradfordchild Месяц назад +3

      @@roebbiejattitude doesn’t gain altitude??

  • @wildly_heather
    @wildly_heather Месяц назад +175

    I cheered pretty loudly when Remco accelerated, and Tadej looked at Jonas to see if he was going to close the break, and Jonas won the game of chicken. I said, "Yes, make Tadej work!" 🤣 But, as you said, I don't know why Pogi or Remco were surprised that Jonas wasn't working on a stage where it was pointless to work.
    And to be clear, I like both riders, I just get annoyed at the unfounded hate JV gets.

    • @callesgdk
      @callesgdk Месяц назад +13

      They were not surprised at all, they're just playing the media mind game. And that's fine, it's all part of the sport.

    • @brkm9774
      @brkm9774 Месяц назад +3

      Lol. You sound like "I hope remco will do lead out for JV in the mountain"

    • @MrJimyabut
      @MrJimyabut Месяц назад +9

      At some point JV is in panic mode looking back for teammates to help him catch-up with Pogi 😂😅

    • @de4ds1ghtcsgo94
      @de4ds1ghtcsgo94 Месяц назад +1

      I would have let remco ride 8f i were pog

    • @teague2582
      @teague2582 Месяц назад +4

      It's just human nature: we start critizising as soon as an underdog has been the champion for a while.

  • @Seiskid
    @Seiskid Месяц назад +37

    I like Tadej and Remco. But huge respect to Jonas today. He had had everything to lose and nothing to gain and rode with experience and wisdom.

    • @riek5524
      @riek5524 Месяц назад +1

      Nothing to gain? Pogacar has 2 teammates sitting a minute behind him, Roglic 20s behind him. Could have made that +2 minutes. Now he needs to watch all three UAE riders, instead of some flexibility. If Ayuso, Almeida attacks, Ving will need to ride/close it (since he has no teammates at that point). I understand he doesn't like to 'gamble' a bit and not riding is also ok in his position, but it is not like he had nothing to gain here. (Now that is ofcourse theoretical, because we all know Ayuso/Almeida will probably not be used that way :))

    • @Nyelands
      @Nyelands Месяц назад

      He rode like any other with half a brain would have.

    • @holmbjerg
      @holmbjerg Месяц назад +2

      ​@@riek5524Well you said it yourself in the last part. Almeida, Ayuso and so on, are not a real threat to Jonas Vingegaard. He is not concerned about them, just like he is not concerned with Roglic.

  • @user-hp5rj2ue9y
    @user-hp5rj2ue9y Месяц назад +23

    Thanks Chris for having the knowledge to see it as it is. Jonas is using his strengths with intelligence. The other two might have bigger balls but are wasting their strengths.

    • @peterneumann7145
      @peterneumann7145 Месяц назад

      Champions do not insult others. Maybe some money has been sorted between remco and pochard but Jonas will show 5hem in the last week I hope. A true champion coming back to defend his title after a bad crash and keeping his mouth shut about his rivals. I have less respect now for poacher and less for neverpool.

  • @Kleezy12
    @Kleezy12 Месяц назад +18

    Thanks for the coverage this first week, Chris. Really appreciate your input

  • @josemanuelriveroandreusala9273
    @josemanuelriveroandreusala9273 Месяц назад +17

    Great teamwork by Visma........

    • @camillelively
      @camillelively Месяц назад +2

      It astounds me the number of people who complain about Jonas being nothing without his team. You mean.....in a team sport? You mean....on the team that puts the most money, effort, and energy into training their riders to work as a team? Hm. Strange.

  • @bihlygoat
    @bihlygoat Месяц назад +39

    I’m glad you couldn’t figure out why Tadej and Remco bridged up to the front group either, Chris. Only to drop back again 🙄. I was yelling at Jonas not to take any pulls. I’m glad he knows how to race intelligently 👍🏻. Jonas rode brilliantly today! And his team did great work for him too. Going to be an exciting next 2 weeks!

  • @countyrebels
    @countyrebels Месяц назад +25

    Pogacar created chaos and that had to be hard for everyone on the road which counts for a lot. Was certainly fun to watch.

    • @nakawesiabia6311
      @nakawesiabia6311 Месяц назад

      Exactly

    • @YesNo-zg3tl
      @YesNo-zg3tl Месяц назад +2

      Yes, I think he gets tired of Jonas sitting on his wheel so he just tries to stir up the race hoping to shake Jonas.

    • @ahwinds9256
      @ahwinds9256 Месяц назад

      @@YesNo-zg3tlout of frustration 😊

    • @orlovsskibet
      @orlovsskibet Месяц назад

      @@YesNo-zg3tl he is wearing the yellow shirt for gods sake... what did he expect?

    • @dawnc5797
      @dawnc5797 Месяц назад

      Jonas isn't going to attack on a stage that doesn't suit him. 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @MarkWeishaar-g4r
    @MarkWeishaar-g4r Месяц назад +17

    Anthony Tourgies, has been so close to major classic wins for the last 4 year's. Being a cyclocross rider he was comfortable on the loose stuff and like Brad Wiggins said he picked him to win in the last 5km said, he was the only one who wasn't breathing hard.🎯

  • @nichelasgarcia2676
    @nichelasgarcia2676 Месяц назад +162

    Seems like Chris Horner is the only one who is never a knucklehead. All these other podcasters love the attacks from Pogi and Remco but never seem to realize the bad tactics they employ. Horner always giving it to you straight and also thank you for giving credit to Primoz when it’s due. Most people have written him off at this point just because he can’t match accelerations but he’s saving energy…

    • @TheFeatInk
      @TheFeatInk Месяц назад +30

      Some of us also recognise the value of thrill and excitement in the sport.
      Boring riders are bad for business 💵

    • @out_spocken
      @out_spocken Месяц назад +23

      It was bad tactics..but it was 'brilliant' racing and viewing. There was nothing 'brilliant' about sitting on wheels and doing nothing. Smart but boring as shit. Not at all brilliant. That's my issue

    • @srikrishnamurthy
      @srikrishnamurthy Месяц назад +7

      Yea, the attacks from Pogi and Remco were pointless- no way they would make it all the way and gain appreciable time. Even if they did, they are spending so much energy just in week 1

    • @2wheelsgood918
      @2wheelsgood918 Месяц назад +7

      @srikrishnamurthy Huh? They caught the break in a matter of seconds. If Jonas had been willing to, the three of them could have EASILY made it to the finish.

    • @bethnolfe9510
      @bethnolfe9510 Месяц назад +11

      ​@@out_spocken it was absolutely brilliant to watch. But if Jonas doesn’t race wisely, the entire tour will be boring, unless you’re only interested in the Pogi show. Jonas eventually gets dropped. So does Remco, if not today, in the high mountains and Pogi runs away with it. Even with Jonas Sitting in the wheel it still was a brilliant race.

  • @viralfire
    @viralfire Месяц назад +3

    Jonas rode a smart race and used his team very well. Primoz seems to be playing a wily old game and is being pretty smart. It is wise to ride in power-save mode until stages 19, 20, and 21...which are killer stages where the race will be decided.

  • @LyndonLlido
    @LyndonLlido Месяц назад +6

    Learning a lot with Mr. Homer. I'm just a beginner in weekend cycling. :) Thank you.

    • @hagosmesgoun7195
      @hagosmesgoun7195 Месяц назад

      Same here

    • @GonzoJohnny
      @GonzoJohnny Месяц назад

      Stick with him and you will learn fast, he is very experienced and gives pretty good analysis. Also, go back in time and watch some older vids like Vuelta's stage 6 last year where tactics was the deciding factor in a GT.

  • @eljeferaider
    @eljeferaider Месяц назад +53

    Matteo j and tratnik really might have salvaged the 1st week for Jonas today. Jonas always has the best possible teammates.

    • @acem82
      @acem82 Месяц назад

      After 2nd in the Dauphine, 1st in Paris Nice, 1st in Dwars door Vlaanderen, and then running down Pogacar for Jonas on this stage ...whatever they're paying him, it's not enough!

    • @Nodiddy123
      @Nodiddy123 Месяц назад +1

      @@acem82most important are the mountain stages where uae will dominate jumbo too weak this year.

    • @vavooooooooooom
      @vavooooooooooom Месяц назад

      Well no. With all the injuries/covid at VLaB he doesn’t. It will be much harder the next 2 weeks.

    • @havspace
      @havspace Месяц назад

      With a big assist from Tadej and Remco who could have continued to attack (or at least follow the stage leaders) rather than just let Jonas drop back to his teammates at ~71km to go.

  • @dev1ce888
    @dev1ce888 Месяц назад +26

    Rogla true winner of todays stage

    • @tsunemi4869
      @tsunemi4869 Месяц назад +2

      And Jonas. It's all to his benefit that they tire themselves out with no reason. They are indeed some big knuckleheads :)

    • @KiboTennis
      @KiboTennis Месяц назад +2

      @@tsunemi4869but Jonas had to spend energy, keeping up with Pog, only to end up in the same group as Roglic. Looks like nobody thinks, Roglic is a threat.

    • @camillelively
      @camillelively Месяц назад +1

      100%

  • @martinyeager7948
    @martinyeager7948 Месяц назад

    I watch six hours of Peacock/NBC coverage and enjoy it. I know it is hard for them to fill the time with comments. Conversely you and your time must spend an incredible amount of time to boil the stages and tactics down so very well into a twenty minute video with graphics that keep me on the edge of my seat for something I have already seen but didn't pick up the detail. Thank you.

  • @y2kc0wb0y
    @y2kc0wb0y Месяц назад +12

    Was in the lobby for this review since the stage ended

  • @bossg2817
    @bossg2817 Месяц назад +8

    if not for Tratnik, WVA and Laporte, Jonas could've lost a lot of time. And because of that Pogacar and Remco were not able to dislodge Jonas. One of the best stages in recent TDF history! As usual great breakdown Chris!

  • @RobMcCreery
    @RobMcCreery Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for your great insights, your clear explanations... and for bringing back the word "knucklehead"! Classic work. Glad I found your channel!

  • @scottblunt7067
    @scottblunt7067 Месяц назад +1

    The Graphics Team on this channel always put in the work and it helps so much. Thanks!

  • @talbech
    @talbech Месяц назад +7

    Finally someone who understand cycling and knows the tactics involved. Vingegaard did exactly what he should have done. Very intelligent riding even though all the Remco and Pogi fanboys think otherwise. Visma have 2-3 stages in their mind where the Tour will be decided in their favour and this one was not one of them. Call it boring/conservative riding all you want, but its winning races.

    • @m.a.c1379
      @m.a.c1379 Месяц назад +1

      A rider who was racing only for a shot at the podium would have worked in that group, but if the aim was to win? No way you waste the chances in such unfavorable terrain

    • @mrsewe417
      @mrsewe417 Месяц назад

      @@m.a.c1379 That's right. Vingegaard is not here to get on the podium - he is here to win.

    • @marcushaysom4059
      @marcushaysom4059 Месяц назад

      It’s not entirely about winning races, it’s also about satisfying audiences with exciting racing. Much of the money that comes into the bike industry comes from people who want to be entertained… these people have no specific interest in the technical nuances that interest ex pros. This sport has moved on from the stodgy days of everyone lined out behind the strongest team, it has become far more entertaining for it.

    • @marcushaysom4059
      @marcushaysom4059 Месяц назад

      It’s not entirely about winning races, it’s also about satisfying audiences with exciting racing. Much of the money that comes into the bike industry comes from people who want to be entertained… these people have no specific interest in the technical nuances that interest ex pros. This sport has moved on from the stodgy days of everyone lined out behind the strongest team, it has become far more entertaining for it.

    • @fredrikbengtsson8458
      @fredrikbengtsson8458 Месяц назад

      @@marcushaysom4059 I kind of agree with you about exiting racing, but in the core market of cycling the audience understands that the excitement won't come from the GC contenders every day. The core audience (europeans) are also on vacation and have time to watch the whole of the broadcast, with knowledgable commentators. They understand that the GC-excitement also lies in what does not happen.

  • @robertgiguere875
    @robertgiguere875 Месяц назад +3

    Another great analysis! Thank you

  • @fedinca
    @fedinca Месяц назад +1

    I think that Jonas and his team made a perfect stage. Tour is a 3 weaks race, but every year almost everyone forgets about it.

  • @joebriggs8422
    @joebriggs8422 Месяц назад +82

    Popcorn worthy awesomeness to have Remco in the Tour…
    Remco: “…sometimes you also need the balls to race, and unfortunately maybe Jonas didn’t have them today.”
    “…I said to my teammates bring me to the first five positions but they didn’t so I wasn’t really happy with that and then I had to close the gap myself…”
    “…the motors were riding really close in front of Tadej and it was headwind so they really pull them away so sometimes maybe the race organization has to look at it…”
    but...he didn't mean any of the above in a bad way 😉

    • @rlm4471
      @rlm4471 Месяц назад +24

      @@joebriggs8422 Remco talking like this isn't his first TdF, and like he isn't about to be obliterated from the GC in weeks 2 and 3.

    • @codyg269
      @codyg269 Месяц назад +1

      @@rlm4471he will be podium…. He clearly has shown better form than everyone minus the 2 gc boys and maybe roglic depending on the day

    • @rlm4471
      @rlm4471 Месяц назад +3

      ​​@codyg269 Yeah, that is my point. He's talking like a real GC contender, not like somebody who might have a shot at the podium.

    • @mjcohnmd
      @mjcohnmd Месяц назад

      What...??? Remco: "You're a pussy because you didn't use your bullets to help me and Pog move away out the front so then we can drop you...!!"

    • @meibing4912
      @meibing4912 Месяц назад +9

      Also Remco’s manager to Remco on the radio: “Remember Vingegaard is still on Tratnik’s bike, Vingegaard still on Tratnik’s bike” (=attack because Vingegaard is at a disadvange…) - don’t think I’d come out complaining myself… 😅

  • @meibing4912
    @meibing4912 Месяц назад +69

    Remco’s manager on radio to Remco: “Remember Vingegaard is still on Tratnik’s bike, Vingegaard still on Tratnik’s bike” (=attack because Vingegaard is at a disadvange…) - don’t think I’d come out complaining about Vingegaard’s reluctance to pull myself.

    • @living4speed680
      @living4speed680 Месяц назад +12

      Also UAE pushing while Vingegaard changing bike.
      Karma will bite em back in week 3

    • @user-np1zg3bj3b
      @user-np1zg3bj3b Месяц назад +4

      ​They were pulling before Jonas flatted

    • @stefanocavallin6221
      @stefanocavallin6221 Месяц назад +1

      Vingegard has all the time to change back on his bike. What should the other do? Not attacking all stage because Jonas takes that decision.

    • @meibing4912
      @meibing4912 Месяц назад +6

      @@stefanocavallin6221 not at all - Remco should just stop winning - no complaints coming from Vingegaard. And no Vingegaard had no way of changing to his own bike without getting dropped.

    • @meibing4912
      @meibing4912 Месяц назад +4

      @@user-np1zg3bj3b yes, but they pulled harder afterwards 😅

  • @keyboard_g
    @keyboard_g Месяц назад +8

    Jorgensen had great legs. He didn’t gas himself yesterday trying to prove something in the time trial. Smart team tactics keeping Tadej from blowing the race apart so far.

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f Месяц назад +20

    Heartbreaker for Stuyven. Damn good effort though.

  • @FazeredTube
    @FazeredTube Месяц назад +5

    Three cheers to the knuckleheads! Pogacar and Evenepoel are cycling sunshine while Vingegaard wants to take us back to the dark days of Sky.

  • @bigwave_dave8468
    @bigwave_dave8468 Месяц назад +7

    I think Pogi was testing Jonas and Remco. Those were both some pretty baller accelerations as if to say "try to keep up" to Jonas nd "good luck with that" to Remco. The goal is to win, not placate the fans and Jonas played it perfectly by being smart. Bravo. Zero sum gain.

  • @gregtitus2467
    @gregtitus2467 Месяц назад

    I liked "I'm not up here to give foot massages...' thanks, Chris, for keeping a good sense of objectivity and staying true to your perspective, not letting it be warped by personal relationships, sponsor relationships, etc. Telling it like you see it helps all of us figure it out. Excellent analysis. Keep on!

  • @jenspetersimonsen4235
    @jenspetersimonsen4235 Месяц назад

    Totally agree, Chris - and I really like your thorough stage analysis 🙂

  • @joebriggs8422
    @joebriggs8422 Месяц назад +49

    The Stage: Sharp turns on gravel sections, narrow roads with deep ditches, sections with new loose gravel and ruts, flats, bike swaps.
    Race Organizers: “We’re here to help. We’re going to position numerous motorcycles in front to kick up choking dust and low visibility.”

  • @jonathansnow1886
    @jonathansnow1886 Месяц назад +14

    Been sitting here clicking "refresh". This will be good.

  • @chucklesmcgillicuddy5925
    @chucklesmcgillicuddy5925 Месяц назад

    “I’m not here to give foot massages!” Another classic CH one-liner. 😂

  • @maddexq9107
    @maddexq9107 Месяц назад

    Thanks for the commentary, Chris! Always providing great insights from a former pro who should know what he’s talking about.

  • @ahwinds9256
    @ahwinds9256 Месяц назад +5

    Have been waiting for this all day long.
    😊

  • @swisstopia
    @swisstopia Месяц назад +43

    Jonas was very smart, by only doing enough to stay with the other GC leaders. A solo attack would have been futile. 🦋👊🇨🇭

    • @Rambleon444
      @Rambleon444 Месяц назад

      With Pog's 45 sec lead won't it be smart for him to draft and cruise behind Jonas?

    • @niklaspetersen4936
      @niklaspetersen4936 Месяц назад +1

      @@Rambleon444 yes unless he is scared of losing alot of time in week 3 then he would need to gain some more time before that by leaving jonas in the dust

    • @Pawsk
      @Pawsk Месяц назад +1

      @@Rambleon444 The thing is, that Vingegaard have been better late in the tour before.
      So either Pogi has to say, 1:30 is enough im comfortable that even if Vingegaard improves im still better.
      Or he has to say, i need more time now so i have a buffer. The actual answer is somewhere between the two.

    • @miscellaneous1979
      @miscellaneous1979 Месяц назад +3

      Pogi and Remco are making this tour exciting but haters will blame them of bad tactics blah blah, great stage thanks for those two, not for the "smart" and boring Jonas!!

    • @oleandersen5634
      @oleandersen5634 Месяц назад +3

      @@miscellaneous1979funny you are talking about haters when you obviously are a hater yourself

  • @fruityurch
    @fruityurch Месяц назад +2

    Roglic is saving all possible strenghts for end of wk2 and wk3. He is 2 or 3 steps below Tadej or Jonas however woth his tactics they may burn so many matches and he may save so many that he has a chance. I really hope so 😊

  • @lbride3738
    @lbride3738 Месяц назад +1

    Like this channel. Buycycle comes and goes almost does not interrupt the continuation of narrative. Well done man!

    • @janefreeman995
      @janefreeman995 Месяц назад

      Yeah I stopped watching wedu... it's mostly plugs for products.

  • @johnpiccioli650
    @johnpiccioli650 Месяц назад +27

    Chris, I am laughing my head off on the chesterfield. You called it spot on. Yonas and Primoz were the smartest racers today. I saw nothing but wasted energy and frustration from Tadej and Remco. Good thing they have a rest day for their soigneurs to rejuvenate their tired legs. They will need it for the later stages because I am seeing Jonas and Primoz getting stronger. Big cheer to my country man Derek Gee for getting on the podium and moving up 5 spots on the GC.

    • @2wheelsgood918
      @2wheelsgood918 Месяц назад +1

      Huh? Roglic probably wasted more energy chasing from way behind than Pog did off the front.

    • @paulgo1058
      @paulgo1058 Месяц назад +1

      Roglic isn't smart ... He was crying for better legs 😅

    • @l.d.t.6327
      @l.d.t.6327 Месяц назад +3

      You know who is laughing? The riders that provide entertainment as they get the big fat contracts. Talking about pog and Evenepoel. Guys who suffer and sit in the wheels don’t get paid as much. You can ride “smart” but most call it boring and not worth watching. Racing is like life: you can “win” in many ways, it’s in the eye of the beholder. Lauding boringness says a lot about yourself!

    • @Rokkedahl
      @Rokkedahl Месяц назад

      @@l.d.t.6327 jesus dude 😅

    • @l.d.t.6327
      @l.d.t.6327 Месяц назад +3

      @@Rokkedahl Those who smirk at Pog and Remco and call Vingegaard smart, are not fans of bike racing, simple as that. Vingegaard rode a very smart race, but it's simply not what anyone with passion for the sport wants to see on TV. Applauding boring racing says a lot about what you think this sport should be.

  • @musclelessfitness2045
    @musclelessfitness2045 Месяц назад +4

    I love it when you call out as many knuckleheads as possible.
    Looks like team Visma is a better team than UAE. Jonas might be able to comeback in the next 2 weeks if the UAE knuckleheadism continues.

    • @GonzoJohnny
      @GonzoJohnny Месяц назад

      Visma has the experience, tactics and discipline to do what is necesary. UAE is obviously the strongest team in the mountains but if strength is not used wisely it is likely to be wasted.

  • @lgwilliams4542
    @lgwilliams4542 Месяц назад

    “I’m not up here to give foot massages” …. Love it 😂

  • @rogerwilson7971
    @rogerwilson7971 Месяц назад

    Love the straight talk, clarity, insights, and humor Chris, sounds like you're having fun.

  • @user-rl4fp4xq6v
    @user-rl4fp4xq6v Месяц назад +4

    Well, there's racing to win and then there's racing not to lose. I agree with Remco, when he said Jonas lacked the balls to race.
    To you, I'm sure, that sounds amateurish, but to those that follow cycling, we adore that mentality because of the epic rides that we witness as a result. Pantani and Contador are both revered because of their attacking style--and they won, too.
    Worrying about what can happen leads to dull, boring racing. I'm not disputing that tactically it might make more sense, but the podium could have been decided today. Roglic could have been put to bed, and Jonas should be equally concerned that Roglic comes to form in the third week the same as we are supposed to fear Jonas hits his.
    Im rooting for Tadej and Remco to tag team Visma and Jonas in the same manner Jumbo tag teamed Tadej. They benefitted from having the superior team, and now that they don't, Jonas will have to earn it on his own anyway. When the mountains come, it will be UAE dictating the terms, not VLab, and all of that defensive riding will be for nothing. Here's hoping that Jonas doesn't even make podium🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @matthillard9363
      @matthillard9363 Месяц назад

      You forget that jumbo visma in the past two years have made the tdf so exciting to watch. 2022 stage 12...go watch it

    • @user-rl4fp4xq6v
      @user-rl4fp4xq6v Месяц назад

      @@matthillard9363 I did watch it. This year is more interesting because there are more GC contenders than in past years. Jonas will not be able to hide behind his "train". They will not have the superior team in the mountains, which means he will have to respond to attacks on his own. There will be a showdown, so we will see who the best rider in this year's tour actually is. It won't be the best team.

    • @matthillard9363
      @matthillard9363 Месяц назад

      @user-rl4fp4xq6v there are only two contenders. Just cause they say that on the TV doesn't mean it's legit but it sells the show. It's jonas's race to lose but he's too crafty and too strong in the big mountains. Tadej sadly has cracked the past two years at critical moments because he fried his team then fried himself. Should really have rode defensively on stage 11. He could have taken all bonus points and either remco or his team could have outsprinted jonas and he would have opened up more time. Nonetheless it makes for entertaining riding but sadly offers another 2nd place

    • @user-rl4fp4xq6v
      @user-rl4fp4xq6v Месяц назад

      @@matthillard9363 as I've said to other subject matter debaters...y'all rarely look at the entire context before assuming you know the solution.
      First year Tadej won the tour, he did t even have a team. he rode Roglic and Jumbo Visma all the way. Second year, Primoz crashed himself out, so he didn't need his team then either. Third year, and this is where the validity sets in when discussing lack of tactical awareness on Tadej's part, he wanted to prove he was stronger than both Primoz and Jonas, and ended up blowing himself up. It was stupid, and he lost. Last year, the UAE team they brought wasn't anywhere close to the level of this year's team. Has anyone heard from Marc Hirschi lately? He got his money and then decided to become a bum, until COVID forced him to retire from the race. So JV was able to keep putting him to the sword, in addition to him misusing the team he did have, and he lost again--i got it, no worries.
      This year he has the best team, although he is still riding like an idiot in certain situations, and if they learn from the mistakes they've made to date, they can put VLAB in the hurt locker--because the team isn't that strong, and I would send Yates or Almeida up the damn road every single day until VLAB were burnt. And then it's mano y mano, and Jonas isn't winning that battle. Not with the deficit he already has. UAE has to be prepared to have Tadej lose the tour in order for him to win it. Jonas' only advantage is he weighs 125lbs. When they go up, they have to come down, and if other riders would make Jonas work--see Remco and Primoz pulling for him when Tadej attacks, then this race would already be over. And you know it.

    • @user-rl4fp4xq6v
      @user-rl4fp4xq6v Месяц назад

      @@matthillard9363 still believing that nonsense😂😂😂
      Only thing cracking is your ridiculous spin and Jonas!
      Repeat after me..."without a superior team, Jonas can't beat Tadej Pogacar". BUT Tadej CAN beat Jonas without one.
      It's ok to admit Vingegaard is a one trick pony, he's still one of the top 3 GC contenders in the world. But there is only one super talent, and that is Tadej.
      See you crying next year💯✌🏼

  • @J-cz7yv
    @J-cz7yv Месяц назад +22

    To everyone saying this shouldn’t be in a grand tour. God forbid we saw racers race!
    There was one puncture from the main peloton as far as I can tell. Non stop action. Peak ciclismo.

    • @wildly_heather
      @wildly_heather Месяц назад +2

      I honestly think the race organizers got incredibly lucky that this went as well as it did. I think it's an anomaly versus usually when gravel racing, punctures happen a lot more.

    • @WyomingLen
      @WyomingLen Месяц назад +8

      Gravel is fine, in keeping with old TdF roots and current cycling trends. Having motos riding in front of racers, kicking up fine dust for them to inhale deep into their amazingly strong lungs, all for our entertainment, is sick. Film the gravel sections from the helicopters.

  • @Lassevj
    @Lassevj Месяц назад

    You are the best, Chris. Spitting truth

  • @Cristiano_albuq
    @Cristiano_albuq Месяц назад +2

    Bora doesn't seem to be a ready team to support Roglic or am i not seeing this right?

  • @TymanBert
    @TymanBert Месяц назад +6

    You forgot Biniam was the first in the second group and got some points for the green jersey. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

    • @2wheelsgood918
      @2wheelsgood918 Месяц назад +1

      Yes, Bini was as impressive as anyone today. I can’t imagine why Horner ignored that.

    • @TymanBert
      @TymanBert Месяц назад

      @@2wheelsgood918 that’s what I was thinking too!
      Bini surprised a lot of people yesterday

  • @gerdkerman9849
    @gerdkerman9849 Месяц назад +6

    Never been this early for a butterfly effect

  • @wwelsh100
    @wwelsh100 Месяц назад +1

    That stage was epic. So fun to watch. Feels like April.

  • @climacus7118
    @climacus7118 Месяц назад +1

    Brilliant coverage! What a razorsharp mind this guy has for breaking down stages.

  • @bobbresnahan8397
    @bobbresnahan8397 Месяц назад +10

    I really liked the way Jonas raced. Primoz too. I want to look back on this from the finish line.

  • @brkm9774
    @brkm9774 Месяц назад +27

    Just watch remco interview, i hope roglic end up above him in GC. Mad respect to Jonas and Visma team.

  • @ambadale
    @ambadale Месяц назад

    Chris, I’m LMFAO at your closing comment, that you’re not up there to give foot massages to the knuckleheads. Thanks for the humorous and insightful recap.

  • @gulfgal98
    @gulfgal98 Месяц назад

    Thank you, Chris for this great analysis!!! I am realizing how many people simply do not understand tactics of stage racing, particularly in a grand tour. Chris, you did a great job of explaining WHY what Jonas did was so smart. Racing is about saving energy so that when you need it, you have the reserves to use. Evenepoel has always relied on his brute physicality and it will come back to bite him. Tadej races with his emotions and tends to go too often and too hard. He has had a brilliant spring, but I wonder if his antics will catch up with him eventually.
    Patience, timing , and tactics are key. This is something that Jonas has demonstrated so well over the years. Some say he is boring, but he knows how to race. We will eventually know if he is totally recovered from his injuries and 100% fit. I personally do not think he is, but he is definitely racing intelligently.

  • @maxvain
    @maxvain Месяц назад +5

    I think MVDP has his focus set on Olympics. He is going to measure his output, and make sure he doesn't peak too early before Paris.

  • @alanburton6368
    @alanburton6368 Месяц назад +1

    Turgis took both 1st in sprint points 20 + 50. So, lots of love for the winner in the stage. On the board for the Green jersey.

  • @Zephyr653
    @Zephyr653 Месяц назад +2

    Kudos to Jorg, dutiful teammate with all kinds of power and fitness. Jorg will be Jonas’ biggest asset to reach the podium. I don’t believe Jonas can drop Pog on the steeps like in previous years given his lack of racing/training, but he will keep the TdF very interesting.

  • @santiago0072002pr
    @santiago0072002pr Месяц назад +9

    I like how JV is racing. He is conserving energy while getting stronger, 2 more weeks of racing will tell how much fatigue is accumulated with everyone in the tour. Time is his best friend.

    • @mracer8
      @mracer8 Месяц назад +5

      So everyone get fatigue as race accumulated and only JV get stronger. That’s interesting

    • @indonesiaamerica7050
      @indonesiaamerica7050 Месяц назад +2

      @@mracer8 What he means is that JV is a typical wheel sucker. LOL.

  • @Campyboy
    @Campyboy Месяц назад +9

    Watching The Move on RUclips with those knuckleheads. 😅 Then I saw your feed pop up showing your latest insights into today's stage. So, I quickly changed the channel. Thanks, Mr. Horner. After this show, I'll watch JB2 and get Mr Johans' insights.

    • @nichelasgarcia2676
      @nichelasgarcia2676 Месяц назад +1

      They’re the only ones with common sense. Everyone else just speaks from emotion and excitement. Never really analyzing the race or tactics throughly.

    • @jareddanaraj9017
      @jareddanaraj9017 Месяц назад +4

      The Move is basically non stop product placement…this is where the real analysis is

    • @ShibaInu154
      @ShibaInu154 Месяц назад +3

      @@jareddanaraj9017 Just fast forward 4:30 seconds every time there is an ad. You still get a good 15-20 of race coverage, minus the formula show stuff (Q& A, trivia) at the end. Horner is a better analyst, but I'll take Butterfly Effect and The Move (in that order) over anything available on the web.

    • @jareddanaraj9017
      @jareddanaraj9017 Месяц назад

      @@ShibaInu154 thanks…yeah these days I do that…but still damn annoying man…I get the need to make some revenue…but not to that extent that it sours the viewer experience. The Move with Johan is much better.

    • @ChrisHornerCycling
      @ChrisHornerCycling  Месяц назад

      Hope you enjoyed it 👊🦋

  • @roland4610
    @roland4610 Месяц назад +1

    If it was anything other than a grand tour i would be disappointed in Visma LaB but you said it, this was the sensible thing to do

  • @ikegrall8466
    @ikegrall8466 Месяц назад +80

    It’s obvious why Remco is frustrated, he’s the only one of those three with a chance of missing the GC podium, and he’s about to get dropped in the mountains. I imagine Tadej is nervous, considering Jonas is at his best in the mountains, and he couldn’t drop Jonas that much on a stage built for Tadej. I’d be sweating too knowing that the skinny Danish mountain demon is coming for me.

    • @wildly_heather
      @wildly_heather Месяц назад +9

      I don't know, I don't think Primoz is looking that great, but maybe he's spending all his energy staying upright 🤣

    • @brunoxd151
      @brunoxd151 Месяц назад +24

      @@ikegrall8466 I think Jonas got into tadej’s head. I don’t remember the last time I saw pogacar firing shots at another rider in an interview lol.

    • @J-cz7yv
      @J-cz7yv Месяц назад +11

      Couldn’t drop him? He dropped him a few times but this is a flat stage. Everyone is saying wait for the mountains but uae has already shown they by far have the strongest mountain squad.
      Jonas may be coming for Tadej in the mountains but we’ll see if his team can help at all.

    • @ikegrall8466
      @ikegrall8466 Месяц назад +7

      @@J-cz7yv wrong. Pogi needs his climbing team to pull him to Jonas in the mountains. Jonas doesn’t doesn’t need his team in the mountains, he needs them in stages like today. Check the almost 7 minutes Pogi lost by last year. Only a minute and 20 was TT. The rest was mountains.

    • @J-cz7yv
      @J-cz7yv Месяц назад +7

      @@ikegrall8466 lol UAE can just sit back and ride a slow pace. Someone will have to try and make it hard. You get that right? In the past Visma has always ridden hard as hell those days and put Pog/the Race under pressure.

  • @dans1234tube5678
    @dans1234tube5678 Месяц назад +3

    i'm not up here to give foot massages---love it!

  • @user-lm6lz6od5l
    @user-lm6lz6od5l Месяц назад

    By far the best TDF commentary on the internet!

  • @ozzie2545
    @ozzie2545 Месяц назад

    Thanks Chris, another spot on evaluation of today's race.

  • @epincion
    @epincion Месяц назад +3

    In his post race interview Tiesj Benoot said that because there is a high risk of getting a puncture on gravel and team cars are not allowed behind the peloton on gravel VLB decided that Jan Tratnick would ride the whole race behind Jonas since they ride a bike with the same size and set up. This worked perfectly when both Jonas and Tiesj who were riding together got a puncture at exactly the same spot and Jan Tratnick was close behind.
    Smart planning.
    As to Remco’s whining post race about the tactics of Jonas, this was frankly juvenile since as Chris says Jonas is not worried about Primoz but about Tadej.
    I don’t think that gravel should be a part of the TDF primarily because you cannot have team cars behind so if a favorite gets a puncture and has no replacement bike available immediately as Jonas did then his whole GC race is over.
    To those who say there should be a gravel sector I ask you then why not introduce a proper downhill MBT sector?

    • @janefreeman995
      @janefreeman995 Месяц назад +1

      Agreed... a mbt section with road bikes, no cars... the gravel thing seems gimmicky to me and it's more about if bikes don't have a mechanical rather than skill. I didn't get what was so exciting about it. If any of the favorites had lost significant time to a puncture, the fairness of a gravel stage would be the hot topic.

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 Месяц назад +11

    Vingegaard is riding smart. You must realize ONE bad crash and Vingegaard could be out . . . . FOREVER. We must BE happy that he is HERE.

  • @cyclingbrad4201
    @cyclingbrad4201 Месяц назад

    Love your analysis and commentary Chris! “I’m not here to give foot massages…”😂😂😂

  • @Cream_89
    @Cream_89 Месяц назад +2

    At the end of the day it's also about riding 'Smart' and it's a 3 week race. You don't need to pull on every single stage, specially not on a course that suits your opponents better than you. Jonas played it smart yesterday, boring or not but that's how you win Tour de France. And with the attacks both Remco and Pogi made, im pretty sure they used more energy than Jonas. All energy they could've saved for the 3rd week.

  • @user-wd8mn8sf1j
    @user-wd8mn8sf1j Месяц назад +5

    Jonas was Karate Kid, Ali doing the rope-a-dope, and Rocky all in one, taking the punches and being the hunter, not the hunted. He has to play it that way because he's the underdog due to his injury, and his team is brilliant in adapting to the reality of this year's situation.

  • @robertosanchez-nk9vj
    @robertosanchez-nk9vj Месяц назад +5

    So Chris, what you saying is that pogacar should sit and wait to see if visma lease bike takes the race to him or not to try anything at all and wait until vingegaar decides to race one day in the tour that's the only way he can race the only different is he does not have a team for the high mountains like years before he will be isolated this year what do you think

    • @fairnooks7047
      @fairnooks7047 Месяц назад +1

      No, he said from the words from TP own brain before the race, that this is a stage not to lose the tour on, but of course since he is so good and full of energy, he can't help breaking his own rule to perhaps try to win. JV was in hospital intensive care just over two months ago and was never raised on gravel as far as I know.

    • @fangru7294
      @fangru7294 Месяц назад

      ​@@fairnooks7047three months bro not two.

    • @milikoshki
      @milikoshki Месяц назад

      @@fangru7294 ah, that makes all the difference 🤣

  • @noternunstoned
    @noternunstoned Месяц назад

    Thanks so much for your channel Chris, you're the man!

  • @joelchoquette5674
    @joelchoquette5674 Месяц назад +1

    Loving it, I'm not here to give foot massages! You're the king Chris!

    • @AkatarawaJapan
      @AkatarawaJapan Месяц назад

      I just checked the contract and it clearly says that Chris is here to give foot massages.

  • @JoeBoyle-pe5mw
    @JoeBoyle-pe5mw Месяц назад +51

    Remco still keeps thinking of GTs as a series of individual races.
    Big picture Remco.

    • @indonesiaamerica7050
      @indonesiaamerica7050 Месяц назад

      It's not smack talk from an athlete. Remco just isn't as smart as you are.

    • @l.d.t.6327
      @l.d.t.6327 Месяц назад +5

      Remco isn’t made for racing in a boring way. I’d rather have pog and Remco any day and willing to pay for it than watching Vingegaard getting shepherded.

    • @user-fd1qq9mv6u
      @user-fd1qq9mv6u Месяц назад +1

      Remco is frank, just like many dutch, germans or europeans as well...

    • @danglybit1
      @danglybit1 Месяц назад

      god forbid Remco gets onto the podium...the way he is racing I doubt it!

    • @Dee-Ell
      @Dee-Ell Месяц назад

      @@l.d.t.6327 To each their own. Some people love action movies, some prefer smartly-written ones.

  • @danshort10
    @danshort10 Месяц назад +10

    Really wish we had the Jonas and Jan bike switch on camera…sounds like it was well planned and probably a lot calmer than that change a few years ago 😂

    • @NothingtoSay9817
      @NothingtoSay9817 Месяц назад +2

      They practiced it in training earlier in the year and Jonas even rode Jan's bike in training.

    • @danshort10
      @danshort10 Месяц назад

      @@NothingtoSay9817smart team

    • @wildly_heather
      @wildly_heather Месяц назад +1

      Matteo said in his interview that they knew Jan had to ride next to Jonas because of that switch. It was all planned that way in case something happened.

    • @danshort10
      @danshort10 Месяц назад +5

      @@wildly_heatherthat’s why Visma has been so good in the grand tours. Tend to race tactically sound and have a smart team around them

    • @ChrisHornerCycling
      @ChrisHornerCycling  Месяц назад +4

      I bet it was. Jan looked calm as bomb. Probably thinking. My job is done for today so I will just pedal in easy. Good luck guys. 🤪😂🦋👊

  • @jackrsanders
    @jackrsanders Месяц назад +2

    Great work Chris

  • @thegreatexaggerator9077
    @thegreatexaggerator9077 Месяц назад +1

    Perfect breakdown Chris!

  • @coopersy
    @coopersy Месяц назад +7

    Tadej did a great job of being in the front of the group during the dangerous sections.

  • @mracer8
    @mracer8 Месяц назад +10

    Chris. I call you BS. JV waste as much energy as Remco or Pogi or very similar. Sure it take energy to attack. Don’t you think it take just about as much energy to hold on dear life? The only way for JV to save energy is to roll in second group at 5 min back.

    • @J-cz7yv
      @J-cz7yv Месяц назад +2

      Good point

    • @meibing4912
      @meibing4912 Месяц назад +1

      You should try racing one day and you would know that position and not watts counts for a lot. The difference is staggering.

    • @user-ij3by7bq7g
      @user-ij3by7bq7g Месяц назад

      hello again,fanboy

  • @akwall47
    @akwall47 Месяц назад +2

    This is my fav shirt! great content thanks Chris!

  • @barkingspider2007
    @barkingspider2007 Месяц назад

    Great Video! Better than watching live.. Thank You. 😎👍

  • @bernardpag
    @bernardpag Месяц назад +3

    I think people are missing some of the point though.
    It’s smart that Jonas didn’t pull if you’re only looking at the scope of the top 3, but I think the point of that Tadej and Remco working together and expecting him to work was to secure the top 3 of the podium in TDF. Had they worked together, the 3 of them would have likely secured the podium and vanquishing all the other GC challengers by creating a giant gap . Between the 3 of them and someone like roglich and Ayuso on 4th and 5th.
    Alas I’m hoping for a crazy next 2 weeks in the mountain stages !

    • @Mike-zx1kx
      @Mike-zx1kx Месяц назад +3

      One point are that if those three had taken the lead Pogocar would have had enough explosive power left to make the last one and gained time on Jonas THUS that would have been the wrong thing to do.

    • @Soli11
      @Soli11 Месяц назад +1

      If Jonas has been stupid enough to take the bait, Pogacar would have attacked as soon as he was isolated. Jonas is not concerned about anyone else besides Pogacar.

  • @SuperNoname17
    @SuperNoname17 Месяц назад +5

    Vingegaard 's goal was achieved, he wanted to arrive on the first rest day without losing to many time ,now if is shape continues to improve, on the big climbs is the terrain where he can play his card ,but when he doesn't have competition since his crash on April the 4th (stayed 14 days in the ICU )he isn't sure how good will be is performance by end of the 2nd week and 3rd week, because he knows those are the stages that could decide the tour and the podium, with a bonus on the last stage, a ITT with more than 33km which includes a mountain category 2 in the race !! He is forced to race day after day and take a look at shape, and start from there!!

    • @hectorr.rodriguez3446
      @hectorr.rodriguez3446 Месяц назад

      Too much time instead of to many time.12 days in the hospital not 14 and not all of them in the ICU .

    • @mrsewe417
      @mrsewe417 Месяц назад

      @@hectorr.rodriguez3446 Lets have a round of applause for our english teacher.

  • @willavinou1507
    @willavinou1507 Месяц назад +1

    No foot massages from Chris???😂
    I laughed so hard i fell off the Chesterfield!🤣

  • @eljeferaider
    @eljeferaider Месяц назад

    What an incredible drama of a stage. Felt bad for the riders dealing with the gravel and dust but so exciting.

  • @erocnw1341
    @erocnw1341 Месяц назад +41

    I appreciate the aggression from Pogacar and Evenepoel and I'm rooting for them.

    • @J-cz7yv
      @J-cz7yv Месяц назад +9

      Absolutely

    • @nakawesiabia6311
      @nakawesiabia6311 Месяц назад +14

      They are making this tour exciting but haters will blame them of bad tactics blah blah

    • @drinkwatertopreventkidneys841
      @drinkwatertopreventkidneys841 Месяц назад

      ​@@nakawesiabia6311Just because it's entertaining doesn't mean it isn't bad tactics

    • @fabiovalentinuzzi5589
      @fabiovalentinuzzi5589 Месяц назад +4

      For me it's just a dream to see top riders riding like this after the horrible years of the Armstrong era. I hope they never change and I hope they win as much as possible in their career

    • @basssorc
      @basssorc Месяц назад +8

      ​@nakawesiabia6311 they are not trying to make the race exciting, they're just trying to win, exactly like Jonas, so they try to gain time on him where it suits them better.
      If you try to remember the last two years, it was Visma animating the race in the mountains (Galibier, Hautcam 2022, Tourmalet 2023 e.g.) when it suited them. And in that instance Jonas never asked for a pull by his rival

  • @koopalibrary
    @koopalibrary Месяц назад +3

    I understand your defensive racing but do not always agree with it . Sometimes you gotta risk it. If pog-remco-jonas had raced together. Roglic would not have raced wisely. He would have lost a lot of time.

  • @guitawrizt
    @guitawrizt Месяц назад

    Thanks for expanding on the dynamics beyond the God-in-Yellow.

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 Месяц назад +2

    GRAVEL? A little slice of Strade Bianche inside the Tour de France! Why not? I like!

  • @allisonking785
    @allisonking785 Месяц назад +3

    It was so easy for the three big guns to catch up with the break away, why it was hard for Bini and MVDP to catch the breakaway group?

  • @jlennon4929
    @jlennon4929 Месяц назад +13

    If you like boring racing, watch Jonas and Visma. If you like exciting racing from the greatest all-round bike racers in the world, watch Tadej and Remco. Jonas will never win a classic or monument, probably won't even try. If he's okay with that, then fine. But this is why we watch now. It's not like the old days. Stop racing scared, start racing with verve. I've never been more excited watching two bike racers like Tadej and Remco. All comments about "smart" racing and "conservative tactics" are for the old days. They said the same thing in dismay of Tadej winning half the stages at the Giro. Get on board guys! This is better!

    • @andlb9037
      @andlb9037 Месяц назад +2

      Totally agree 👍

  • @palexander5090
    @palexander5090 Месяц назад

    Ah yeah. Sporting the Redlands Bicycle Classic jerseys, solid. I don't know if anyone noticed, but the 'lidl-trek' guy on vid right before Vlasov's crash, was signaling the moto to go around him so he could do a "nature break" w/out the camera catching it. BUT, Vlasov's wreck IMMEDIATELY changed his request, as he must have realized he would be peeing right onto Vlasov. Urinating on another rider - I'm pretty sure there is a UCI infraction somewhere in there!