Would I be alive in a country where being gay is illegal? - Tom Daley
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Tom Daley is an Olympic Gold Medallist, sports personality, campaigner and knitter. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News...)
We recently saw him at the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games as a flag bearer, bearing the Progress Pride flag with LGBTQ+ athletes across the commonwealth.
Krishnan talks to Tom about why he is fighting for LGBTQ+ inclusion in sports, his views on trans athlete participation and what it’s been like for him being a gay parent in the UK.
Warning: contains distressing themes
Producer: Rachel Evans
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I’m actually surprised to see how much Tom Daley has matured and evolved watching this interview. Him and Dustin Lance Black are another gay couple who I aspire to be. Tom is a lot more intelligent than I originally gave him credit for. And for that I apologize and thank him for his grace and courage and his LGBTQ+ activism and representation. Thank you Tom. Keep doing what you’re doing
Remember the negative comments which may be SEVERAL here. But the most negative people online are usually the loudest. That doesn't mean they are the majority. The majority of people are kind and understanding.
Proof?
None.
So people that disagree with the rainbow movement aren’t kind and understanding? That’s not very understanding of you.
I really appluad both Tom and Krishnan on this. I'm not always a fan of Krishnan on C4 but he conducted this very well indeed and I'll check out more podcasts from him.
there are so many layers to this interview. I thought he was great before and he has risen in my esteem.
Mug.
Tom Daley is great, I hope he continues to be political and push for sport to be more open, and the countries in which major sporting events are taking place
Really? You want him to be more political?
Lol
Keep politics out of sport.
@@wolfiestreet6899 dumb take
@@wolfiestreet6899 treating all people as equals is a essential. Keep crying about it on RUclips though 😂
Thank you Krishnan and Tom a wonderful interview will post the image via Instagram for people to listen and learn(You Tube) about a well thought and balanced interview.
How enjoyable was this interview. Thanks Krishnan.
Totally appreciate the discussion and intelligence behind the construction of the debate as a straight guy. Many thanks for opening the conversation and bringing Tom to the programme. 👍💙🤍❤️🇬🇧🍷🇫🇷 Respect from a fellow Plymouthian.
Good on you Tom, keep doing your work.
It's sad to say that most of the comments here now are negative, which goes to show that many here are bigots and more than likely Right Wing.
@Donnell Okafor No-one is forcing you to do anything. All you're being asked to do is treat other people with the respect you'd like to receive from others.
Disagreeing with his take that biological Males should be allowed to compete against biological women is not “right wing” or “bigoted”. Are we not allowed to critique his views or ideas without being branded?
@@mattb6704 The people who complain loudest about being 'branded' are usually the people who are happiest to brand others, in my experience.
He really is great for the gay community. Such a pleasure to listen to. This message comes from a straight man.
Gay community 🙄
Are you bi-curious?
@@belkentens No. I just think he comes accross really well.
Really great interview. I follow Tom's journey for nearly ten years now, and I'm very pleased to see how much he has grown up and has become just a nice and brilliant guy over the years. Keep going Tom, keep learning and sharing. You're helping moving the needle like Lance says. Let's move the pendulum in the right direction.
Yes, let's move that pendulum back in the right direction of sanity.... and away from laughable nonsense like letting biological men who decided last week that they're actually women compete on women's sports teams.
@@Muonium1 you're missing the real point. Some people are born in the wrong body, it's not something they decide a week before competition and just to win easily. And if you had listened to the interview he's saying that we have to find a way for those people to compete. Just like they're doing it for their Jamaican mate or other guest divers when they come at their national competitions. They're guest, they can get medals but a national get one too. We need to learn to live together peacefully, stop that stupid hate that's going to kill us all in the end.
@@marionv153 have you tried crying harder about it? lol. And I think I've got 'the real point' just fine, there are plenty of individuals just doing this LITERALLY THE WEEK BEFORE and women are not only losing sports competitions, but being raped in prisons by these individuals because of it. But of course, you're a very religious person and so your dogmatic worldview must be preserved at all costs, no matter what's actually happening in reality.
@@Muonium1 I'm an atheist. I think you got me as wrong as you're getting your "real point" rest in peace in your certitudes.
He's a prk.
Thank you Tom Daley for your effort
Brilliant conversation. So proud of you Tom Daley for using your voice for positive change! ❤️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️💪🏻
'Positive'....
If you think that the progress made in the UK doesn't mean there is no Homophobia, yer living in cloud cuckoo land. There are PLENTY of people, groups and 'organisations' that think it, feel it but do not express it, because they do not want to feel the full weight of the law being applied to them. Also, it's an irony that if the law (marriage, employment, healthcare, etc) were applied completely objectivily, homosexuality (as a sociatal differentiator) would be invisible, nothing special. But we don't live in an objective world, and the baggage of culture, history, religion and politics means we can't be anything other than vigilant, and must challenge at every turn discrimination, hypochrisy, bigotry and shine a light into those dark corners where it resides.
A gay has no less rights than anyone else. You want superiority. Hetrophobe
Up the raa
If the lgbtq community thinks that no one should host a sporting event because they have anti lgbtq laws you might as well put an end to all international sporting events. The reason being that any group who disagree with another nations policies would demand the same thing. I'm not disagreeing with Tom's views about nations views on anti lgbtq laws but this is not a " South africa" anti apartheid moment given that was one nation and much easier to pressurise because of it. The problem here is that large numbers of nations have anti gay laws therefore the same pressure cannot be applied
You may be right. Maybe it would be better to continue doing sporting events in places like Qatar etc if it is the only time those places will get exposure to people who are openly lgbt
He doesn’t think that / say that anti lgbtq nations should be banned from hosting sports events
Yet you go to these places and compete in competitions, shows where your morals lay
At the bank
Great conversation-generating interview with some practical responses and demands.
Was his suggestion that they have two gold medals to accommodate for trans people, a practical response to you? Did we watch the same interview?
Wow. I did not expect Tom to be so articulate and compassionate. I loved the interview.
Why didn't you?
Why doesn’t he just boycott going to countries that have anti-lgbt laws?
Maybe because he’s more interested in the prize money…
Tom Daily is not gonna change the laws of anti-lgbt countries. Also, it’s very entitled of him to think he can do the job of lgbt communities in those countries. Maybe empower those communities instead of this positive PR stunt?
Honestly, this is just virtue signalling on Tom’s part and it will not help a single gay person in the countries he believes he’s the saviour of.
It takes decades to become civilised and tolerant as a society. So many individuals have prejudices and it takes constant education and dialogue to beat the use of division and hatred. Well done, Tom. Would I (as a 'normal' male) have the bottle to do what you do? The answer increases my respect for you.
The beginning of tolerance is the ending of civilisation.
No tolerance to anything that is subversive.
@@wolfiestreet6899 so rule by force is civilisation? Intolerance amounting to false accusations is civilised? Who decides? You, a dictator or the government? We disagree.
A lot of good points made here but I don't think we can blame the UK for everything. Qatar, Iran and Saudi Arabia are the most disgustingly homophobic countries, and the UK has no history there. The UK has had a negative influence in many ways on other countries, but that was a long time ago. These countries have the freedom to move away from homophobia (like the UK has done) and the UK can't be blamed if they choose not to.
What is most disgusting being homophobic or get penetraded in the behind
'Disgustingly'....
Yucky yuck yuck.
UK influence was a major net positive.
Get over yourself.
I'm not sure we can say that for 100% - there were positives and negatives. Where we can probably agree is how pathetic it is to blame the UK for wrongs done by other countries today, when the UK left those countries alone 70 to 100 years ago.
I doubt it. Although you might be targeted for being insufferably irritating, not necessarily because you're a Bertie.
What does Bertie means? A local actor took his life cos he had a hard life, an ex took advantage of him, anyway his name is Diego Bertie, well known for soap operas in Latam, maybe a coincidence.
Tom Daley is fantastic, and what's more, he's a sportsman who doesn't hesitate to denounce injustice and barbarity.
"why don't we just make two gold medals [if there's a trans person competing]?"
he definitely isn't the brightest bulb in the box is he.
He’s completely incorrect on trans inclusion in sports (biological males competing against natural born females). Loses credibility with that ridiculous argument, he’s trying to defend what most common sense people know, is indefensible.
Tom needs a new career so going down this path. This is the reason why we need to keep politics and sexuality out of sport.
Is he a top or bottom??
@@rahuldahoob4513 bottom im guessing
Shelf life for Olympians is actually not that long for many, or as lucrative as some people actually think. He’s doing the activism stuff now but is clearly unqualified as he suggests that there could be two gold medals. What a stupid suggestion.
@@rahuldahoob4513 Bottom if my memory is right - is that good news?
Tom daley is my type😍
I’m sorry but this is ridiculous.
Jamaica ? Can’t think of any other places ? Or is it only places he wants to go on holiday ?
😅
They always want to drag black people in to their mess I guess we're easy targets for them, while there are many non black countries who aren't pro lgbtq who won't get a mention. If jamaicans or any other islanders allow people like him to have their way, you'll have pride carnivals with men walking other men dressed as dogs on leashes for your babies to see before you know it. You'd also be expected to accept it. I mean we only have to look to America to get a visual of our potential future, if we don't stick up for ourselves and our beliefs.
Pretty much
I like 👍 you Tom Daley 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊
He and his very wealthy partner think it's ok for them to buy Ova and rent a woman's womb to have a baby. I doubt that Tom can even define what a woman is!
I want to be part of Tom's global entity.. Very inspiring interview..
Why don't you go and live in Qatar Tom, and give us one of your dives off a 20 storey building?
@@davidedwards1336 Why, you don't like good people?
@@michaelfiedler1419 good people? Daley hates this.country
@@davidedwards1336 In what way do think he hates Britain, not only has he helped build Britain's reputation and is a top athlete for his country he also works internationally to build a higher level of understanding, acceptance and of inclusion.
The answer is no. The question immediately remind me of Alan Turing.
Tom, instead of just blaming colonialism from the UK, let's look at how those values came about. They are values from Judaism, Christianity and Islam...exported religions from the middle east to Europe and to Britain by the Romans who colonised Britain for 400 years as well as much of the rest of europe. Another route was also the Ottoman and arab incursion across Africa and europe into the Iberian peninsula. From there, further colonisation in later periods spread these ideas through christianity and Islam further west and east and through other empires too...like the Persian and Mughal empires down into the Indian subcontinent and into China. The Mughal empire and Sharia predate Christian colonisation in the Indian sub continent and far east to China.
I think Tom's analysis and understanding is superficial and naive. I'm sympathetic to his cause to stop the persecution of people who are gay and accord people the same human rights internationally, but unless he understands what underpins those values and for how long and whence they come, then he will not be able to make any headway.
As far as any country that was a colony is concerned, if the UK can change its position then so can they based on their own social values on an independent and autonomous state.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc want everybody to be straight, get married, have kids and live 100% religious life with no vices that goes again religious values.
Atheism is a non prophet organisation
@Brother asked a very good question - I am not sure what the point of your comment is.
No to vaccine passports, mandates or lockdowns
Why not just leave genitals out of games (who knows whats down there). Drop gender categories and compete in some type of equal categories?
Is he a top or bottom??
So women would never win anything right ? What a stupid idea
@@rahuldahoob4513 Ive already told you bottom i think - im guessing your a top - im getting that vibe
Lucky that Tom Daley was born here then.
Got kid, no present mother.
Ok, no pro choice for him/her.
Ok, therapy sessions in ten plus years? Think!!!
Awesome to give a sense of hope.
I have a huge amount of respect for Tom Daley. May I highlight that there will always be a temptation to adopt reductionist reasoning when considering issues through a Commonwealth lens - any good or bad attributes of the Commonwealth therefore could be fairly or unfairly attributed to Britain. Expand to a global lens now and throughout history and you may come to a different conclusion than the anti British sentiment articulated in the documentary. To conflate the issues of LGBTQ rights and colonialism risks detracting from the ‘just cause’ he seeks to support. I wish Tom Daley all the best in his endeavours but would urge him not to denigrate his nation - a nation that, by admission in the documentary, acts as a refuge and a beacon of hope for the community that he represents. That is something we should all surely be grateful for, and proud to be a part of.
What a word salad of BS
Robby enjoys to sit on his dump truck.
I was in high school about 5 years ago and we were taught a lot about the slave trade and how after the up abolished slavery, the stigma still carried on. And im pretty sure that the current history curriculum still has this. You must keep in mind that schools are already under a lot of pressure to teach a very wide curriculum, so teaching more about one thing will diminish others.
@Brother asked a very good question Spot on.
Which slave trade? There have been hundreds throughout history.
Good that you’ve made changes, don’t give up. Barb now be there for the strikers.
Thank you Tom for your activism but sports has become only a question of money for those who organize games in foreign countries. They don't care at all if the country doen't respect not only the LGBT rights but the general human rights. Shame on them and shame on the athletes who, by going to these games, don't give a little bit of compassion but only care about money and fame.
I like Tom. He's Jet.
What a wonderful man
People who have all the freedom in the environment that shaped them on this behavior, why intervene in other reluctant environments and address the breaking of their beliefs, habits and values?
LGB is distinctly different from TQ+. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two very different topics.
L, G, and B are very different things but as a G I'll hold the ladder for the just like I will for those who are T, Q, I and A. Kicking it out from underneath them would be pretty crappy after all, and not showing those groups solidarity would be doing just that. Divided we fall.
Agree. Fairness in sports but wants trans identified males to be able to thrash biological women. He’s not consistent, but got his activist hat on and is getting the attention he’s always courting.
@@goitcore
The TQ+ is homophobic and you know. They were not born in the wrong body. They are gay. Their inability to deal with it should not create a burden on society.
@@mattb6704
Title IX is about WOMEN. That means an XX chromosome in the 23rd pair. If you got an XY, you should be competing against Men. Period.
Gay athletes should absolutely be protected if they attend the Commonwealth games in a country where homosexuality is illegal, but that said, there is something very arrogant about telling other countries how to be "moral". A lot of countries ban homosexuality because it goes against their culture/religion, and their population doesn't want it. I don't agree with them, but I don't believe in this approach of trying to stop developing countries from hosting the Commonwealth games because they don't conform to our standards of morality.
Religion and culture matter less than the safety of marginalized groups. Not saying they should host pride parades but all countries should have laws protecting them.
Neither does Tom / he changed his mind on that
So you agree with Tom.
We imported Christianity to these countries.
Wow I like Tom Robert Daley ❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊💯💯💯🥰🥰🥰🥰🤟🤟😘😘🌹
Nice guy, all the best to him.
Jeez, this is all about Tom, trying to forge a career as a presenter, when his diving is over, (if it is,nt already), he fails to realise that most people would support him whether he is gay or straight, he just needs to STOP talking about his sexuality, its getting really boring now, & nobody cares, NO REALLY NOBODY CARES.
the people murdering people for being gay clearly care
Would I be alive today if lived in the 1950s America South? I am a black woman. Posing questions like this is irrelevant to the society that you currently reside, but that does not that diminish the amount of racism I have experienced throughout my life.
It’s not all about you, love
@@belkentens nor you
You haven't experienced any. It's all in your head.
Yes, you would still be alive, most likely.
Do I get citizenship there. Then yes
I've a very interesting family. We love to go diving and swimming and absolutely enjoy disco from the 1970's. Go call the doctor.
im sick of these bunch of sticks,
I think that it should be illegal in every country especially adoption from those people.. but I don't think anyone should have their life taken for it
that's crazy, all sexual attraction should be legal everywhere in the world
You're using a computer that was invented by someone who was gay. How does that make you feel about this thing you're typing on?
@@MostlyLoveOfMusic No, it is perversion of nature.
Why would you think criminalising a person for something that they themselves have absolutely no control over and are not personally responsible for is the right thing to do? And also, why would you deliberately reduce the opportunity for a child to be loved and cared for by two loving parents?
I think it should be illegal for people to have shitty opinions like yours 😇
He's nuts.
he likes them more
@@winterrising8738 not as much as your mother does.
@@winterrising8738 lol.
Frankly, I could care less about this 'issue'. People are allowed freedom of conscience. Some people don't believe homosexuality is natural or normal. Tough. If you can't exist without validation and acceptance from everyone, something is wrong with YOU not them.
''Some people don't believe homosexuality is natural''
Yes, and those people are called religious morons. And please don't act as if homophobia, transphobia, biphobia, etc are not real issues that need to be addressed: they do.
@@MontyCantsin5 Actually, you're incorrect. There are many who are not particularly religious who feel that way. I know you need to blame Christianity to victimise yourself, but it's really just about conscience and basic biology at the end of the day. You need binary nature to procreate. Period.
@@MontyCantsin5 It is not natural, proven lots of times
@@Lilly-hh9es: Total garbage. You can't point to any kind of scientific evidence to back up your false assertion.
Monkeypox is subject matter are linked.
Yes he would still be alive. And he’d be married to woman.
This is the guy who came out saying he ‘wasn’t gay’ but happened to be in a relationship with a man.
And? He was 19 and had been forced into being the poster boy for the 2012 Olympics / had his management telling him his fan base would all go away and he would lose sponsors if he came out
Gay colonialism is the kinder, friendlier colonialism.
Is it the biggest problem on this planet now? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Does it need to be to still be worthwhile discussing in the media? Surely we can understand and address multiple issues of varying importance at once?
And yes, for gay people living in a country where being gay is illegal, even punishable by death, where they could be arrested or killed simply for existing - it IS the biggest problem for them.
That depends if you're the one being thrown off the roof of a building or not ya muppet.
What a bizarre response to the ideas presented in the video.
As a lesbian, I can tell you that it's hard enough to survive in a country where it is legal. (I'm also a great knitter!)
Do you start every sentence with 'as a lesbian'? I'm not being rude but life is as hard as you make/ let other people make it. It's hard being a human being, being gay doesn't change it or worsen it; but your whole comment is self centred to the core. You should define yourself as a person before your sexual orientation
@@sean-jw6lr Well the "as a..." thing is a sign you're talking to a proud member of the woke crowd
@@marioluigi9599 🤣🤣
@@sean-jw6lr she's allowed to have an opinion isn't she? It's a video about gay rights so there's nothing out of place in her declaring her sexuality.. also you just invalidated your whole comment when you laughed at the person who insulted her by calling her "woke"....
You should think of how you would feel if you were in her shoes... and if it would be "self-centered to the core" to identify as part of a group when you have to deal with this type of comments everyday..
@Wee Jock your argument is a "whataboutism" just because there's other injustices in the world it doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to address this as part of the community...
Also I could ask the same question back to you? "What rights don't heterosexuals have that gays do?"
People always say "sick of politics" when it's about issues that don't touch their safe lives...
If I was a cow on another planet would I be eaten?
Talk about an attention seeker asking ridiculous questions
Ah a strawman followed by and ad hominem. Your rhetoric needs an upgrade bebz. Tell that to people who suffer from the very real threat of death for not doing anything wrong and just being who they are. It's a very real problem.
@@goitcore
Like the cow?
😄🤣
@@goitcore 😂😂😂 if I were gay would I feel the same way? If I were a car would I like to be clean.
If, only people who don’t love in reality worry about if
We've tons of equipment.
Yes Cuz i’m not Gay
Good point!
Remember in Saudi Arabia, no one is gay. Just like clepto mania and piro Mania doesn't exist .. just think about it.
Oh dear 🙃
I'm Gay and I'm Offended! 😡😤😠
😤 #Offended 😤
Why?
Go and see Tom instead of putting down uk
He did go and see
Tom's recent BBC documentary was an embarrassment and quite frankly historically inaccurate.
Stick to diving Tom?
Ew.
Yes, homophobia is disgusting.
If u r afarid on Ur life run away
When I am in the UK I respect the laws and tolerance of the British culture and society. So when you are in Qatar or Russia or Saudi Arabia, you will respect their traditions and beliefs.
So if these countries have a right to arrest and/or sentence to death lgbt people - don't overreact when some 'sacred book' get burned in western countries - we have a right to protest in any shape or form and you don't have a say about it 😉
Are they in the commonwealth?
@@fuckbankers none of those countries are in the commonwealth
@@user-ir2er8fn5f exactly
@@fuckbankers what’s ur point
why cant you just keep your habits behind closed doors and stop making it like you are a victim
Makes me feel sick 🤢
Confusion in the mind ,heart and soul. I pray for God's blessing on your soul and a renewed spirit
No you'd probably be straight love 😄👍
That’s.. not how that works.. Jesus
Awesome boy
Just like that Jamaican Professor told him in the documentary. Leave it to the Country to sort itself out.