The CITY of ORCS - Orsinium EXPLAINED! - Elder Scrolls Lore
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In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we explain the city of orcs, Orsinium.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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Lore nerd is what my friend and I call our kind. I mean I’m also a history buff, but that isn’t quite the same thing to most people. One is for fiction, the other for non fiction.
Gurwok gro-Igwag: "Orcs are better than man and mer."
Erernur Thalavel: "Actually, orsi-MER... you are an elf. Dumb s'wit."
[sound of skull broke by big boulder]
Gurwok gro-Igwag: "Orcs are better than man and mer."
Thus he proved his point. With demonstration.
Orcs: build a city they can be proud of
Redguards and Bretons: *It’s free real estate*
Uhh pretty sure you have that back wards
I like how you explain the lore in such an easy way.
Funny how the Orcs were mere „Beasts“ you had to kill in Daggerfall and due to the Dragonbrake became recognized as „people“
There not people though. They're monsters
@@locochang6533theyre not monsters by Morrowind, theyre just cursed Mir(elves). Before that they were just little monsters but i think those "orcs" from the early games were retconned and were actually what we'd consider Goblins by Oblivion, Orisimer are quite mortal and act pretty human, i guess they are pretty ugly if thats what u meant by monster
@@locochang6533not in the later games
Never in any game have I seen a race smash their face against the same wall so many times.
You talking about the orcs or the bretons/redguards?
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes both
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes Yes
I got a good feeling about this time!
I always respected the Imperials for coming to aid of the Orcs especially since the Imperials stood up against two of thier allies; the Bretons and Redguards. They could've just watched Orsinium burn..
So much so that Tiber septim the 7th had so much respect for the Orcs that he was about to give a chunk of land between High Rock Skyrim and hammerfell to become the province orsinium. However because of the Mystic Dawn and Tiber septim's vision of his death, he was never able to make orsinium into an actual Providence. And in all likelihood the Hiles destroy the documentation because in their mind, the Orcs don't deserve a land of Their Own
LuckoDaStars it would be weird but interesting if the Orcs built their own province in like Atmora or something.
@@lukewhitsell942 thats sacrilege
LuckoDaStars no you ♾
Yeah that's cool, but does Orsinium have a cloud district?
What are you saying? Of course it doesn't.
LUKA not like you’d get up there much anyway.
I don't know man. I don't get there very often.
A Storm Cloud district maybe.
It has a sweetroll district
Can the other races apart from The Imperials not see how useful Orcs can be brilliant warriors and blacksmiths both skills highly coveted in the Nations of Men.
Human history shows that the rule of thumb is to subjugate peoples who have things or skills they like. Via force, relatively one sided trades, social engineering, etc. How isolationist a group of people are will determine how they approach gleaning the benefits of open interaction with another group of people. If they will at all.
Liam McMeeking the problem with orcs is they are ALL selfish. They want all the fame, money, and luxuries to themselves. Orcs can not be trusted as time and time again they betray their own kind for their own gain. This is most likely the reason the other races want nothing to do with orcs.
@@bailsaz Elves and Men have undoubtedly shown their trustworthiness and humility far exceeds that of the Orcs...
@@bailsaz i'd trust an orc before i trusted an altmer for damn sure. orcs may resemble bandits at times, but altmer are genocidal maniacs.
@@bailsaz you're talking about orcs from other lore such as LOTR, but ES orcs just want to be left alone
If you make an orc in skyrim hadvar tells you he'll make sure your remains are sent make to orsinium. Does this mean that there is an orsinium during the 4th era?
Or... Is the Saarthal of the Orcs
I assume it'd have to mean that, it's a nice thought that they have their own city.
There is an “Orsinium” during the events of Skyrim. But I’m not sure where it is or how big.
According to a loading screen from Skyrim: "Orcs, also known as Orsimer, are natives of Orsinium, a small mountain kingdom between Hammerfell and Skyrim. It has been sacked and rebuilt many times."
I've heard some place the new Orsinium in Craglorn, which A) roughly matches this description and B) already has a large Orc population.
Yes, they rebuilt it in Hammerfell quite early on in the 4th era.
Honestly the ONLY DLC I've ever been happy to purchase with ESO, and the only thing that makes me jump into the game still is Orsinium. I hope if ES6 takes place in High Rock, we get an Orsinium DLC
Edit: Not sure if this is showing multiple times for others, but I hit reply and youtube posted my comment like a dozen times?
I hope there's an Orsinium dlc if it takes place in High Rock. I went to high rock in ESO because I thought it looked cool, but I took a wayshrine that led me to Orsinium (I wasn't sure where the one to the Breton part of highrock was), and I kinda fell in love with the architecture of the place. It's like an east asian sort of architecure
Great video! The story of the duel between Gortwog and Lord Bowyn has always been one of my favorite bits of lore that I've come across.
This content is great for my insomnia...I've been going to sleep listening to your videos for a few weeks now and it's partly responsible for actually getting my sleep schedule from being insane 30+ hours awake/16+ hours asleep to a normal human sleep schedule. This is the first time I've had a normal human sleep schedule in like over a year, maybe two years. It's improved my quality of life by a lot. I realize that's probably not the ideal viewership but hey, at least it's good for your retention time.
Little late, but that's nice!
Well of course the city kept being razed, it had no cloud district
I love the orcs so much. Why can’t we just have our own home like everyone else?
First come, first served.
I feel like it has to be because of Malacath. Not intentionally, if Malacath betrayed his own people, he'd be what he most despises; a traitor or betrayer. But I feel like if the Orsinium ever stood for a prolonged length of time and let the orcs become a full fledged society, they would stop being the pariah folk.
Enduring discomfort, hardship and struggle is the way of the pariah folk. Always has been. Its their curse, but also what makes them staunch and strong.
Is also why stronghold orcs consider city orcs weak and soft.
Orcs: *Builds Orsinium*
Bretons and Redguards: *Destroys Orsinium*
Orcs: *Joins The Daggerfall Covenant anyway*
Thats why I hate eso. I will never play it.
There is some good stuff in there
Imagine if a defeated Germany after WW2 with a capital city levelled to the ground and divided among four occupying armies had declared a political treaty that would have led to them slowly recovering and redefining their country alongside former enemies even though it was split along political lines. I know, that would have been preposterous. Damn that ESO. Orsinium is a pretty decent dlc and worth playing imo and I've been a fan since Daggerfall.
Like it would always be that black and white.
Even in our history most hated factions sided at some point, if it benefits from it.
Orsinium was destroyed long ago at the time of eso and the clans were mostly spreaded in Skyrim, especially falkreath.
A whole new generation of orcs built the second orsinium, including Kurog, who was very ambitious in uniting the orcish clans and establishing an own kingdom. He knew he couldn't reach, that without help. When Emeric needed help to defeat a rebellion started by Ranser, Kurog offered help and he was allowed to built an orcish kingdom with a big part of High Rocks territory.
Orsinium is still at its building phase in eso and it's not like they are best friends, but both benefitted from it, they achieved peace, a large kingdom, unification and identification, trade deals with bretons. Of course Emeric played a big part in it too, he wasn't a racist and he knew he would need allies, I mean he even married a Redguards princess to get the forebears on his side. Crowns don't accept the covenant anyway. If you want it detailed, then just play eso.
@@eatsthedarkness8059 I was joking. I know it's more complex than that
I gotta say Fudge, the way you break down the lore is just so damn appealing. I literally get *moist* when I get the upload notification from you boys
Thanks Fudge, you fellas are out here doing God’s work
....what?
FudgeMuppet Videos are so relaxing and interesting. I watch them during my gaming breaks and instantly go on Skyrim to play for hours.
Orcs: *Build a city*
Redguards and Bretons: *Destroy said city*
Orcs: *Rebuild their city*
Redguards and Bretons: *"Hah hah, we'll fuckin' do it again!"*
Do the lore of halfbreeds please! Its rarely talked about but there are at least 4 known books in skyrim about halfbreeds of all races in some form or fashion.
Weird I know but I think it would be neat(plus my 8 year old daughter LOVES your vids and actually suggested this lol.)
Thanks for ALL your hard and amazing work muppet.
If Orcs were once high elves that were transformed in appearance, should they still have the same magic prowess?
Or was their whole being reformed?
I also wonder about their lifespan? Have they lost the altmers longevity too?
@@sindrimyr5351 do we know how old the old orcs in the games are?
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 not really, but we sometimes find old orcs that ask us to kill them so they can die a hnorable death,but how old they re exactly is not clear
@@sindrimyr5351 well since they ARE elves maybe they are like... A thousand
I just wanted to provide an answer here. now disclaimer I could be wrong as its been awhile since I've learned this but at one point in history the humans had a curse put on them and a way of getting rid of it was by partially putting it on the orcs or something which shortened their lifespans to about the same length as humans.
I apologise for the vague answer it's just my memory on the subject is also vague if anyone else reads this and I'm wrong do please correct me although I really do think I heard this somewhere before in another video.
Fudge Muppet's vids are like holy sermon on tamriellic lore. Keep going, holy fathers
Up and ready for fudge. Orcs are okay...But our emperor REMAN is still calling for you to teach the masses of his grace and might.
Ayleid 4 lyf! Down with the Empire! Elves rule, men drool!
Daniel Clark-hughes (bites your neck veins out) REEEEEEEEEEEMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!
@@danielclark-hughes692 down with all the races except the mighty Dunmer jk I like all the races and their law though I am biased towards the dark elves
Orcs are more interesting than I was led to believe. What fascinates me is how Gortwog gro-Nagorm would gain success in establishing Orsinium after using more diplomatic and political means, in what I see as a development in Orcs, adapting themselves to fit into a more civilized world, and forego the wild pariah traditions, which had only made them resented by the other races, given their brutal and beastlike communities. The theory that Malacath may instead be a path to darkness and continued resentment, and the worship of Trinimac, their original leader, untwisted by Daedra, be a symbol of a new era of Orcs. This non-Daedric alternative to worship, combined with an increased effort to build a strong relationship with The Empire, would truly help the Orcs gain a permanent footing in Tamriel as an accepted folk. The conversion won't be easy, as many Orcs fear the consequences of breaking their pact with Malacath, but I believe threats of punishment shouldn't scare Orcs into building a better future for themselves. They are not so intimidated. The conservative Orcs will, however, continue to hold strongly to their traditions, creating a divide between the race.
It would be ironically fitting for the Orsimer to abandon Malacath. Malacath being the prince of the shunned and ostracized, and having the Orcs abandon him in favor of Trinimac, his “better half” if you will, is very fitting for the very embodiment of the hated.
I mean Trinimac is still worshipped by other Elves, Malacath is just a pile of Sh*t (literally) that keeps the Orcs down.
Love your vids fugemuphet but orsinium is in eso and you could have shown images of the city, I'm not asking for a bunch of eso footage but just 1 pic of the whole city
Or a shot of an echatere when he brings up the shaggy bug beasts.
Man why take the fight to Mor Khazgur in your vid? Borgakh the Steel Heart is my favorite follower for Orc builds. Makes me sad to see her is trouble. Either way I'm sure she gave a good fight. Keep up the good work guys, your channel is legendary!
I would really like a mod by the community or a DLC in future TES games around the Orsimer culture, it is really underrated and full of interesting things, it could be a cool way to introduce a settlement system and have the choice to help them, to attacl them or to just ignor them. And have a really non-invasive follower orc called Breshton Gro-Gharbei who wants you to help his fellow orcs.
Can’t wait to explore places like Orsinium in elder scrolls 6 (people like to argue with me that it’s not going to take place in all of Tamriel but Todd Howard has always talked about the fact his dream elder scrolls game is going to be all of Tamriel and seeing as he confirmed it’s his last and Starfield is basically a tech demo for the new engine that builds entire planets, I’m pretty sure they’ve made the technology for just that purpose)
Please use ESO footage when talking about stuff outside of Skyrim or Bruma. Myself and many others would like some more variety in the background.
@@yannkam2127 fair point.
I want a single-player game too, but eso has some great stuff, especially this orsinium DLC is pretty nice and their job of portraying the orcs not only as brutal savages. Pretty sad, what they did with Mor Khazgur in Skyrim, because it was an ancient orc stronghold and nearly as glorious as the first orsinium, but in Skyrim there just a wooden fence with two houses lol
@Michael Otten GO FUCK YOURSELF SHITTER
@@dadshirt6681 dude calm down, he's only a troll. Ngl, ESO used to suck. Big time. But it doesn't anymore.
@@justelliot4870 sorry didn't mean to raise my voice
I think it's rather odd that you're talking about orsinium and not showing any screenshot/gameplay of the actual city from eso.
Lmao ikr
Again They decided to use Skyrim Footage over ESO footage.
Dedication
It’s more of do to lack of cinematic view that they don’t. I understand that but in this case they really should have just shown the actual city. “But people get in the way and you will only see our cherictor”. Your not covering a battle so who cares and if you are just stand still in first person. Not the best shot but eso is gorgeous so it’s worth the trade off. Plus why were you showing crappy orc villages orsiniom looks more like markarth then anything. It’s a city of towering stone not wood, and it’s huge
Although I like FudgeMuppet,
I prefer the lore videos from Lady Scrolls because she often uses awesome art, sometimes from eso too.
Probably didn't want to use ESO footage because you can't get scenic screenshots without the developer console or a few dozen gig of retextures and mesh updates. Same reason he didn't use footage from Daggerfall Unity, despite actually containing the locations, events, and people described in the founding of Third Orsinium.
@@Sinuev1 ya I know. tried to get some good shots of orsinume after the comment to see if it was possible. it was but it was only ok. still a shot of the town would be worth it even if the quality isn't the best
@@Sinuev1 Just look at the latest Molag Bal / coldharbour video... most scenes are just generic third person fighting with transparent UI. You're gonna pretend you can't do that in ESO? Honestly, there are many, many occasions they could've used eso footage to show the things they talk about. It's plain laziness of them that they probably never even looked at eso to use.
That opening shot is 💯🥰💯! Awesome video as always, thanks!!
I know Fudge Muppet doesn't like ESO but I would much prefer you show us Orsinium as it is ingame instead of something from Skyrim for the hundredth time where you see nothing of Orsinium.
agree
yeah waste like 140 zlotys for a city ESO is shit tbh its another mmo
@@viveka2994 because that means it's shit. Its another MMO. And Skyrim is just another RPG which makes IT shit
as someone who grew up being constantly ostracised bc I never "belonged" anywhere (even within communities I identified as being a part of), the struggle of the orsimer always spoke to me on a deep level.
and while my main love will always be the dunmer, there will always be a special place within me for the sons and daughters of orsinium, right next to my heart 💚
Thank you for all these lore videos! They keep me entertained during my overnight shift lol
Malacath watch our deeds
DELICIOUS, NOW WHERE IS DESSERT FUDGEMUPPET?
Retaking and defending orsinium would be a cool questline. Even a main quest if the daedra were involved.
Who sacks an Orc city? I mean they're freaking Orcs!
Medieval Magic Knights and Desert Black people would
@@rougeelite1446 Cruved Sword Desert Black People*
@@rougeelite1446
Black people who are basically desert samurai and Medieval magic knights with elven blood 😂
Orcs are my favorite race. They are the only Tamrielic culture that fights for their freedom and live by a tue code of honor. Argonians have been subjugated too but at least they had their kingdom. The only thing the orsimer wanted was a place to thrive. Not conquer or take revenge, just live in peace, amd I love them for that
There is a new Orsinium. And the various strongholds are really smaller village's and fortified times.
But yes Orcs are attacked more often than not. But at least the Nords leave us alone.
*Notices new Fudge Muppet video* OwO What's this?
A build based on this would be pretty cool a Orc Destined To Reunite The orc race would be cool
As much as I love fudgemuppet you should use ESO for some images
I don't agree. Fudgemuppet should stick to doing what they're doing.
Agree, at least show the city's architecture from eso.
Now I'm inspired to make an orc beserker. Thanks fudgemuppet, (I'm also using wintersun, so I'll make sure he is a devout follower of malacath
Loving the daily uploads keep it up!
"The city of Orcs! The city of OOORCS!
20.000 redguards, are you fucking sure?!"
Thank you guys! I've been wanting this forever I love you
I haven't clicked so fast in my life, also 6 views and 8 likes..
Edit: It seems the Gods has shined their light on me, Thank you!
Didn't realize House Baratheon were originally Redguards
Great video.
Question why don't ogrers , goblins and orcs join together as outcast brothers.
Two who would win out of the three outcast
Why does Malacath dislike giants .
Four does Malacath dislike being called or worshiped as Trinimac.
1. They have
2. Orcs they are the smartest and generally better equipped
3. Because Giants are closer to Men then Mer even if they have pointed ears they are close to Nords in the family tree
4. Yes he dose
Can we see a lore video on Arch Mage Shalidor
So what if i just sacrificed my trusted companion at the Sacellum of Boethiah..
It's just a game right?..
*downs bottle of Nyquil*
That's what got me into skooma
Just take Faendal, guy can't even get laid without the help of a damn Dragonborn.
What's up guys, your name is fudgemuppet and welcome back to Scott.
Yes! Give me more lore! (taps inner part of arm)
Excellent video! If the next TES game does take place in High Rock and Hammerfell, I hope we get to see Orsinium too, maybe in DLC if not the base game.
Dunno if the comparisons been made but orcish culture makes me think of Romani gypsy travelers defo my favourite race in Tamriel.
Please do one on the Western Reach and the elvish Reachmen who live their and their attempt at an independent reach during the great war
make a video covering the Doomstones of Cyrodil!!! there aren't any videos about them on all of youtube.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Orcs recruit aide from the Tsaeci due to how many times the people (minus the Empire) have screwed them over. It makes sense too since the Tsaeci recognize the leadership of the dragonborn, and if they associate the Empire as a result of the dragonblood, it’ll be an easy ally to trust not to kill the Empire. :)
The orisimer are my favorite race in tamriel.
I don't know how you can have a Barathian fighting orcs without his war hammer or his stag horn helmet.
Day six of asking fudgemuppet to bring back face building guides.
Orsimer are my favourite kind of Orcs. Elder Scrolls took everything we recognise as Orcish (savage warrior race who worship a warrior deity) and injected nuance, tragedy, sympathy, inspirational levels of strength and resilience.
I would love to play an Elder Scrolls game about building the 5th Orsinium. You are an Orc Warlord trying to build the new Nation State. You must gather resources, be diplomatic with other races whilst doing them favours, take care of your people and build an Orcish civilisation from the ground up. You also get a choice whether to join the Imperial Empire or the Aldmeri Dominion or become an Independent state. The choices you make will determine the kind of Orsinium you build and whether or not it's sustainable.
Nuanced orcs are dumb. How can I have sympathy for followers of Malacath? Malacath is pure evil and his followers are too. Orcs should have just stayed monsters to be killed like in Daggerfall.
Are you going to feel sympathy for mudcrabs now too?
@@TheZombieCurryKid Malacath pure evil? Where do you get your lore? He's no Mara, but he's not even close to being a Molag Bal either.
@@YourWaywardDestiny "Sometimes called Malak, Orkey,[2] or Mauloch,[3] Malacath is considered one of the most evil Daedric Princes"
"he seems to enjoy watching mortals fight one another"
He also is friends with Mehrunes Dagon and the other evil Daedra guys.
Straight from a wiki. Also, orcs are evil, they set up raiding camps in other lands, that's what those orc stronghold are. They're like bandit bases because that's what their race is. In Daggerfall all orcs just attack your character on sight because they are evil monsters like goblins and zombies.
@@TheZombieCurryKid
Hmmm...perhaps that's why Kurog wanted to worship Trinimac instead.
i would almost wish that there were an Orsinium questline in every game. if in every game you could find it. a orc village that grows as you do and or as you progress in the two questlines. you either help them build it or you conspire with someone or other to destroy it. then come the next game you learn it was destroyed some number of time ago that is vague enough that it could have both been during the previous game or a respectable amount of time later, so now they are here in this game trying again.
Can you make a video about why the Daggerfall covenant makes no sense?
You should do a stream
That moment when u hide the gourmets body in the lake so u can get the bonus reward lol
Lmfao dude in the thumbnail is ZOOTED
Especially good vid today loved it
What’s with the Baratheon shield? And by that I mean what’s the name of the mod, that shield is awesome
I know daedra and aedra are god-like entities, not affected by time running in the lineal mortal way, but, is it possible to Trinimac exists at the same time of Malacath ?
pls use eso to show us how big the orc city is i hate seeing trashing orc tribe camps
I can safely say I know more about the orcs of Skyrim then I do my own country’s history
Orsinium will rise again! Hand over all of Highrock and no one gets hurt!
I like all your videos but i prefer all your videos that relate more closely to skyrim
The Orsimer? Nay, the AWESOMER.
I have to hand it to them… they don’t know and to give up. I like it. One things for damn sure they would make a powerful ally. If only people would take the hint that these guys don’t give up. Maybe one day
I hope that Orsinium will be big thing in TES VI. Orcs deserve there own kingdom. And it would be rly cool to help them create and save last Orsinium that will last forever with new kingdom of Orsinium. Even if TES VI is in high rock it could still be as big DLC. cmon that needs to happen. I like orcs. They are my 2 favorite after dark elves. Good video.
Orsinium is in Hammerfell at the border to skyrim in the 4th era.
Since TES 6 will be most likely playing in Hammerfell, it could definitely be, that we are going to see the stronghold of orsinium in northern Hammerfell.
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The main character has the best name
It's too hard for me I sold it and got 30$ back after spending 60$ on it I might buy it back one day I never could master the combat I was always easily dying in combat
The orcs are my favorite race 💚😁
Imagine being a literal poop elf.
jouna lehtiö sounds crappy.
Dungmer
Even Malacath says that story is bullshit and not exactly what happened , no pun intended
Can u do a trolls explained?
they would not be interesting they will all just be on Twitter and RUclips shit posting
Nothin scarier then a bloody raged orc with an axe
I hope that if elder scrolls six is in high rock and or hammer fell there is an option to join the orcs and help rebuild orisnium and revolt
When I first played Skyim, it changed me. The sheer depth of the quests to do, the lore, and the environment were and still are, stunning. I still play it every single day since that fateful day back in 2012. Thank you so much for creating content like this for us.
I do mostly enjoy Fudgemuppet TES lore, but the 4th era blindspot zone... anything between 4E01 & 4E0201 does sometimes annoy, when at least some detail is available, if not a lot.
Instead of only mentioning the sacking of Nova Orsinium early in the 4th era in one just sentence, there's at least three of four sentences of available detail to properly place it in context.
It would have been worthy to note that it occurred near to the end of the seven years of the Stormcrown Interregnum. Well after the assassination of Potentate Ocato and before the rise of Titus Mede I, when the fragmented Empire had little influence over other provinces. As I recall, a Daggerfall and Sentinel led force mounted a prolonged assault of Nova Orsinium. Two Legions still in the area assisted in the spiriting away of Orcish refugees, mostly children. I don't believe there's any clear detail of whether Wayrest actively took part in the sacking, though it was within the broader claim of Wayrest controlled land. Whether Wayrest participated or just stood aside, remains unspoken. There's enough detail to at least state that the sacking of Nova Orsinium only took place because there was no Empire of substance to stop it and that Daggerfall and Sentinel were eager to finally eliminate Gortwog's Orsinium, while they had the best chance to get rid of it for good. In any case, when available, context is everything. There was plenty of that earlier in the video, but not for the blindspot zone.
My two cents for today.
Still watching and mostly enjoying for my near daily dose of TES lore.
SGI
The Empire wouldn't have gotten involved in the ordeal anyway. So long as the Empire itself isn't threatened, the Empire doesn't care.
That's probably a fair point also. However, my point was that the sacking of Nova Orsinium took place specifically during the Stormcrown Interregnum, when there was open opportunity for the remaining outlying provinces to run amok without any consequence of challenge from Cyrodiil. I thought that seemed contextually relevant to mention, if only briefly.
@@gregmiller3290 Well, it was a time of chaos, and from what I recall, both High Rock and Hammerfell had either already left the Empire at that point, or were in the process of doing so. Orsinium was kind of a semi-Imperial region, so it would explain why the Empire would care, as they'd be directly threatening Imperial land.
@@dutchpatriot17 Not to argue at all... but, perhaps discuss.
As I understand it, those two provinces had not yet tried to secede from the stumbling Empire during those years [4E11-4E17]. It was more the case that the authority of the Empire under Thules 'the Gibbering' became tenuous at best. During Ocato's brief run at trying to maintain the Septim legacy, Argonia had rebelled and seceded. Morrowind suffered the Red Mountain incident. Then the Argonians rampaged across those territories and up the eastern coast, presumably on hist sap, before eventually retreating back to the south, once they were seemingly finished with that. The assassination of the Mane in Elseweyr led to the progressive break up of that province into lesser kingdoms, effectively breaking off from the Empire in bits and pieces, though an alliance of sorts with Rimmen apparently remained. Even the Summerset Isles had yet to officially secede or try to annex Valenwood until a few short years afterward. During the Stormcrown Interregnum, Bravil and Leyawiin had also rebelled against the White-Gold Tower. So, yeah... a time of chaos. The idea of an Empire ruled from the White-Gold Tower and administered by the Elder Council seemed more notional claim than a fact with substance.
The perfect time for ignoring anything Uriel Septim VII might have agreed to in the past, like permitting Nova Orsinium to remain within the Wayrest controlled region of High Rock. I'd think that it would have been unlikely for Daggerfall and Sentinel to have gone all out on those particular Orcs under Uriel's rule. Perhaps, still somewhat unlikely during Ocato's brief run. However, during the Interregnum, I expect that it looked like a good time to indulge old hostilities with some abandon.
Once Titus Mede I had taken the IC, he needed to fight to restore order in Cyrodiil first, then turn to asserting, coercing or negotiating Imperial authority over further dissent. Some remaining provinces were more easily persuaded than others. I believe that Skyrim and High Rock accepted Mede fairly easily. Hammerfell decided to put up a fight, but after some limited warfare, fell into line again. Argonia was already lost, along with the fragmented Elsweyr. Morrowind was a broken vassal, perhaps left on a long leash, rather than released. Then the Altmer finally broke away officially and then effectively took Valenwood with them.
Given that the sacking of Nova Orsinium took place before he was even on the scene, it remains unknown how Titus Mede I might have responded. It seemed that he was trying rebuild the legacy of the Septim Empire with what remained, but the Thalmor regime stabbed a dagger into that as soon as he got to work on it. If nothing else, it seems that the new Emperor was fine with taking lots of Orcs into Legion ranks, but not doing much of anything else to either help or hinder the diaspora of Orcs.
Anyhow, just my thoughts and observations, extrapolated from existing detail. And of course, details of that period remain somewhat scant, but not totally non-existent.
Orsinium will rise again!
Is being a daedric artifact worth it?
ohhh.....so thats how gaiden shinji died.....im replaying oblivion and wanted to know what killed the best warrior that ever lived. ty ty
ORCS. TOGETHER. STRONG
Chief strong, you stronger. You want to be chief?
i think we sound more like reiklings at this point
@@Nova-jw6ju you right. Tribe-kin bad speak. Effect me slight
Thomas takes a toll for the dark youre cool
Honestly don’t know why high rock or hammer fell didn’t want to keep the orcs as permanent allies
I hope we get to visit orsinium in ES6
The current orsinium is in hammerfell and es6 is supposed to be in hammerfell so that's quite likely
6:55 King Joile ( yo-ee-le ) not Joylah :D
Why don't you use ESO footage?
Orsimer have two things left of their elder blood . Their ears and affinity for magic compared to humans or beastial races.
Make Oblivion builds already. DO IT
Can't ait to visit Old Old Old Old Orsinium in TES 7. XD
TES 7? Please be realistic. We won't live another century to see TES 7.
FugdeMuppet: comment down below and let us know what lore you wanna see.
Me: every single thing possible.
Eso footage for the love of fucking god
Why is Fudgemuppet using Skyrim footage over ESO to explain things from ESO itself? Makes no sense at this point.
People running around on their ridiculous mounts and doing random shit.
@@thegreycrusader Is not complicated to record empty sections of the world. Not *every* region of ESO is populated by players, the map is quite big. Camelworks does it without any problem.
@@OhSo_Bear fair point, but what about freeze frames with action? You can't do that on ESO, also it would've only been a couple things anyways and I guess they didn't feel like booting up ESO just to get a few shots.
@@thegreycrusader Well it's not a law to make videos with frozen action. But I find far more congruent to use actual footage of things you're speaking about instead of using Skyrim engine over and over. This became quite notorious with the Ayrenn video. It was kinda annoying to see that fanmade model instead of the one in ESO, where she is from.
@@OhSo_Bear I guess it's just what they prefer. I suppose it's just faster in all honesty.