Thanks for this guide Andrew. I used it as a very close template for my conversion but have also added a C20 motor. It's now my best RC plane by far, with the ability for long slow glides at one trim setting, and fast flight at another. A few things that did take me a while to get right before it was controllable (explanations for the benefit of your other viewers): - The pitcherons need a lot more travel for elevator input than for aileron, I'd suggest 3:1 or more ratio between them, otherwise it's too sensitive to roll. - The aileron control needs 50% or more differential (the trailing edge of the wing moves up more than the opposite wing moves down). This is equivalent to mixing in up elevator. - To be able to achieve a loop, I had to have the leading edge of the wings able to pitch up a very large amount, so with the servos centred my wings start pitched up and I also have differential on the elevator to stop them pitching down by as much. It might have been possible to instead fit the tail in the opposite orientation, but mine's glued in now and I don't want to risk damaging it to try.
It's such a versatile little glider. Good info about the extra elevator required in pitchers mode. Mine is now conventional acro sloper configuration now with ailerons, elevator and rudder. Not tested like this yet
I love how universal Lidl is now, that I can say "Ah, I see you've been to the middle aisle before!" and it's approving nods all around! From the UK. And great vid!
Nice one Andrew. You did a proper job than I did last year. The wings are wiggly from the beginning. It flies though but never stable. Still have a new one in the box from last year. So I will give it a try.
Brilliant! I had tried to get one shipped from Germany but as it turns out they couldn’t. We have a similar glider in the USA but bigger. I and my father in law have put some small edf’s in them, lots of fun. We are getting some Lidl stores here now and will have to look for one of these here. Nice work, love SpeedsterDen’s stuff and had seen his last year as well.
Really nice mod. These sell out so fast now that I have missed out on them both times they went on sale here but a friend converted one to a twin engine diff thrust model. There are so many things that you can do with these
In some countries Lidl have an online purchase option so it might be possible to obtain them that way. There are also a number of Facebook groups which might have members willing to sell a surplus one
Thanks Robert. I have never tried piton setup before, seems to work well
5 лет назад
Robert yesterday I bought glider for remote conversion in LIDL Bežigrad. They were on sale last week... Do you know of any good places for soap soaring, I am based in Trebnje region?
Bought six of those recently. They make for very cool conversion projects together with kids. Next project: Put a little motor on each pitcheroned wing and enable differential thrust. This will propably create one mad flat spinning machine ;-)
Andrew, LIDL stock them for a few days at the beginning of our summer and that's it. The concept of LIDL is that they stock the special items once a year and the items arrive every Thursday and Sunday. Their hot glue sticks are really good.
Nice neat build, i think i need to keep a eye the lidls leaflettes for when they have them on offer again, i normally fly quads so ive got various bits of radio gear and batteries laying around my bench, could be a cheap summer project. Great vid. All the best matey.
You'll have great fun with the glider. Pitcherons enable crazy fast roll rates when everythings maxed out. It'll slope in 5 mph to 35 mph winds (when 110g of ballast is added). My version differs from Soren and your approach in that the carbon rod is embedded in the wing by boring a hole through the centre section and then into both wing halves. The panels are retained with R clips so easy to break down for transport. The centre section and horizontal stab are not even glued in so it'll pack away in the box it came in
very similar but smaller (19" wing span) I modified with 2.4ghz 3 channel helicopter guts. 7 x 20 mm motors in short lengths of carbon fiber arrow tubing provide thrust and differential steering, a 6 x 12 mm motor on the boom near the tail providing up/down "elevator". it flies a LOT like a normal 3ch plane, more so than most might think. it cost under 25 bucks
Great mod. Love it! Always wondered how to make pivoting wings. This a nice simple design mod. 🙏♥ BTW: "(pivoting wings)" should be part of video title.
Hey mate. That's a pretty nice glider looks like the one Im dropping from my cup just a size bigger.. you was talking about a Danish guy I was wondering who he is as a fellow Dane ;-) thanks for the view and you do have some very subscribers sending you good stuff.. I dont comments your as much but I do love to see what your up to... thanks for sharing you skills and showing off your upgrades.. its supreme mate cheers Lase from Denmark ;-)
heady2008 as a single dad there not much time to run around with I really enjoy the online community and the knowledge the rc lovers give here there.. Andrew is for sure one on the top list of my ;-) cheers mates
My Lord they are cheep.. I went to my local lidl and they haved 6 and only 4 now I pick up two ;-) 80 kr Danish and I think around 10 us or less pretty damn good price.. again very much thanks for showing it.. have great a day and some good winds ;-) Lase
Picked up one last week and I am planning to do the same pitcheron mods. Could you please publish a parts list and dimensions/positions of the cuts, etc. to help us amateurs :) ?
I could not find one in the USA so I went on ebay and ordered a few different ones and made me one like that and then powered it with a king kong 1103 brushless.
Andrew Newton please Check out my youtoube Channel i also have a Video from the lidl glider. Sloping in the beautiful Country switzerland.. Best wishes Robin
Wow #1 - such a cheap base for a scratch project. Gotta get me me at least 2 of those! Wow #2 - never seen pitcherons (wingerons?) before either. Can't wait to see how well it flies/slopes...tho, from the teaser at the end, the answer to that is it flies beautifully! Are you planning to do anything with the other airframe?
Hi Andrew that plane looks very similar to a foamie you scratch built about 2 yrs ago that you called *La Fish* I'm in the UK and there's a LIDL near me, I wonder if they still stock this little gem ?.
saxxonian : Hi again Mate, Yesterday I told a friend about this great little plane. Guess what, today, I called by to deliver some lipo's I ordered online for him, And there was this little beauty sat on his coffee table. I've bought this at LIDL yesterday just for you. Wow what nice surprise eh !. Mine has a light green fuz with black wings. I'm gonna do an elevator / rudder mod' with a pull pull closed loop system with both servos up front. *Thanks again and to you Andrew, you unwittingly made this happen* .
Good flight looks very stable One question, I'm doing the same modification on the wings and I've already done the servo programming on the station as elevons. The question is in which direction do the wings have to move when I want to climb? And in which direction should the wing on the left be moved when I want to turn to the left? Where is the center of gravity? Thanks for your answer if you can help me
@@AndrewNewton thank you Andrew. I recently got a slightly smaller one of these 30 inch wingspan and 34 inch fuse on Amazon. Have you seen one this size? Seems identical just smaller? Also the cg on it is about 75% back from the leading edge which I'm amazed it seems to glide well with this so, so I was thinking of keeping it there for my conversion? I want to go 2 channel so either bank and yank tailless or pitcheron can't decide 😜 loved the way the pitcheron conversion is so clean and efficient also the way you did the wings as a whole rather than splitting them first is brilliant.
Thanks Andrew, just bought two of them, here in the UK, and will convert them into "pitcherons". Thinking of making them fit back in the original box, easier to carry around. What receiver do you use on yours? Keep it up, always looking forward to seeing your posts.
Gday Andrew . The aussie discount chain called the reject shop were selling an almost identical glider that was branded the albatross for about $20. I grabbed 1 and motorised it. and made it a 4 ch. Made the mistake of not reinforcing the wings with extra carbon and just used the thin piece supplied with it. It looked pretty funny as it flapped around the oval nearly folding the wings with every turn. Will you keep yours a sloper or will you motorise it ?
Great Video !!! I build one Lidl last year with 2s, emax CF2805/2450kv, 20a ESC and it flies like a dream. Now i´m building one the way you did, with 3s 1550mah, 2205/2300kv, 30a ESC. Do you think the Wing tube with 6mm is strong enough for it ? Greetings from germany!!
The one thing Im having trouble with on a similar project is; where to find 6mm carbon tube with a 4mm internal diameter.... I came back here again to see if there was a link, would you have any suggestions as to where I might find some please Mr Newton? Thanks in advance for any help possible :)
Do you have a qx7 radio setup guide for Wingerons? I'm having a tough time getting my receiver to make the correct commands. I can get the receiver bound, but can't get it to control the servos. Can I change the channel settings without having to rebind the receiver? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for this guide Andrew. I used it as a very close template for my conversion but have also added a C20 motor. It's now my best RC plane by far, with the ability for long slow glides at one trim setting, and fast flight at another.
A few things that did take me a while to get right before it was controllable (explanations for the benefit of your other viewers):
- The pitcherons need a lot more travel for elevator input than for aileron, I'd suggest 3:1 or more ratio between them, otherwise it's too sensitive to roll.
- The aileron control needs 50% or more differential (the trailing edge of the wing moves up more than the opposite wing moves down). This is equivalent to mixing in up elevator.
- To be able to achieve a loop, I had to have the leading edge of the wings able to pitch up a very large amount, so with the servos centred my wings start pitched up and I also have differential on the elevator to stop them pitching down by as much. It might have been possible to instead fit the tail in the opposite orientation, but mine's glued in now and I don't want to risk damaging it to try.
It's such a versatile little glider. Good info about the extra elevator required in pitchers mode. Mine is now conventional acro sloper configuration now with ailerons, elevator and rudder. Not tested like this yet
I love how universal Lidl is now, that I can say "Ah, I see you've been to the middle aisle before!" and it's approving nods all around!
From the UK. And great vid!
So true!
Nice one Andrew. You did a proper job than I did last year. The wings are wiggly from the beginning. It flies though but never stable. Still have a new one in the box from last year. So I will give it a try.
I love how I keep stumbling across these little gems you've posted in the past. Automatic thumbs up Andrew!
Thanks BG
Oh yum Andrew. The pitcheron / wingeron conversion seems the ideal slope mod. Hope you have a blast.
That's the plan Joanne
Andrew, as always I enjoy the mods you put together. Thanks David for sharing!
Love the custom workings.
Look forward to the flight footage.
Yes this is all down to David's generosity
Very nice MOD and build! First time I've seen Pitcherons.....strange ;-) I can't wait for additional flights. Thanks and Happy Gliding!
First for me too
Great video, editing was fantastic! Well done. Very neat mod, have fun soaring.
Loved it. Learned a new concept of "pitcheron". Glad to see a build video Andrew. Its been a while..
Brilliant! I had tried to get one shipped from Germany but as it turns out they couldn’t. We have a similar glider in the USA but bigger. I and my father in law have put some small edf’s in them, lots of fun. We are getting some Lidl stores here now and will have to look for one of these here. Nice work, love SpeedsterDen’s stuff and had seen his last year as well.
We must try and find an alternative, they must be out there.
What glider is similar to this available in the US?
Really nice mod. These sell out so fast now that I have missed out on them both times they went on sale here but a friend converted one to a twin engine diff thrust model. There are so many things that you can do with these
In some countries Lidl have an online purchase option so it might be possible to obtain them that way. There are also a number of Facebook groups which might have members willing to sell a surplus one
It's a good size and shape which lends itself to modding
Great work my friend. Cant wait to see more. Big salute to you from Slovenia and see you soon. Cheers, Pilot Robert
Thanks Robert. I have never tried piton setup before, seems to work well
Robert yesterday I bought glider for remote conversion in LIDL Bežigrad. They were on sale last week... Do you know of any good places for soap soaring, I am based in Trebnje region?
Bought six of those recently. They make for very cool conversion projects together with kids.
Next project: Put a little motor on each pitcheroned wing and enable differential thrust. This will propably create one mad flat spinning machine ;-)
Oh that would be crazy, do it man
You made the whole wing a control surface? WOW! I will have to add that to my my experiments. Thanks...
Called pitcherons. Fun to play with
Andrew, LIDL stock them for a few days at the beginning of our summer and that's it. The concept of LIDL is that they stock the special items once a year and the items arrive every Thursday and Sunday. Their hot glue sticks are really good.
There have been rumours of LIDL in Australia but not reality yet
Nice neat build, i think i need to keep a eye the lidls leaflettes for when they have them on offer again, i normally fly quads so ive got various bits of radio gear and batteries laying around my bench, could be a cheap summer project. Great vid. All the best matey.
Elusive little fellas, have to grab them when you can
Nice one Andrew, and you converted so quickly. The master strikes again.
Easy when all the design work has been done
Hi Andrew, I haven't seen your Lidl conversion yet. Very nice conversion. Grüße Martin
Thanks Martin. I copied SpeedsterDens build.
In typical fashion,your builds are Awesome!!
You'll have great fun with the glider. Pitcherons enable crazy fast roll rates when everythings maxed out. It'll slope in 5 mph to 35 mph winds (when 110g of ballast is added). My version differs from Soren and your approach in that the carbon rod is embedded in the wing by boring a hole through the centre section and then into both wing halves. The panels are retained with R clips so easy to break down for transport. The centre section and horizontal stab are not even glued in so it'll pack away in the box it came in
Excellent, I'm already increasing the throws.
very similar but smaller (19" wing span) I modified with 2.4ghz 3 channel helicopter guts.
7 x 20 mm motors in short lengths of carbon fiber arrow tubing provide thrust and differential steering, a 6 x 12 mm motor on the boom near the tail providing up/down "elevator".
it flies a LOT like a normal 3ch plane, more so than most might think. it cost under 25 bucks
Great mod. Love it!
Always wondered how to make pivoting wings. This a nice simple design mod. 🙏♥
BTW: "(pivoting wings)" should be part of video title.
Yes, title changed now, thanks
Super build video, you make it all look so easy.
Cheers
I bought 4 a few days ago when Lidl had them on offer again. Can’t wait to convert them. Thinking of doing a canard version too.
Ooh canard will be interesting
Nice idea, state of art...
I love this hobby. Wonderful video Andrew!
Thanks bauhaus, great name
We have a LIDL in my town, but we don't have these cool gliders in here. Cool mod!
They are only stoked once a year, this years came in Thurs 23rd May
Hey mate. That's a pretty nice glider looks like the one Im dropping from my cup just a size bigger.. you was talking about a Danish guy I was wondering who he is as a fellow Dane ;-) thanks for the view and you do have some very subscribers sending you good stuff.. I dont comments your as much but I do love to see what your up to... thanks for sharing you skills and showing off your upgrades.. its supreme mate cheers Lase from Denmark ;-)
Soren or SpeedsterDen is the Danish glider guider ruclips.net/user/SpeedsterDENsearch?query=lidl www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=312987
heady2008 hey mate.. thanks for the reply. I didn't know about that kind of groups on hobbyking.. ;-) cheers Lase
It's well worth joining RC Groups as there's a wealth of knowledge on all things RC
heady2008 as a single dad there not much time to run around with I really enjoy the online community and the knowledge the rc lovers give here there.. Andrew is for sure one on the top list of my ;-) cheers mates
Thanks Lase, glad I can entertain you
That was awesome. Can’t wait for the next flight footage.
Great video dude many thanks
"Ya It Verks"🛩👍...Nice one Andrew👍👌✌
Ja, es ist gut
I built one myself the Speedsterden methode and it flies great.
Wow!!! Way cool!!!!
Looks very good so far.
It flies better than my camera can record
Beautiful job! Watched it 3 times!
Well done. Cant wait to see it on the slope 😉
A nice NE breeze is what I want
anyone in new zealand got one of these new in the box, love to get hold of one, cheers rick
Давно мечтал сделать такой же для сына. Очень круто👍💪 Спасибо за видео
Oh yes, a great project for you and your son
I like the idea of having the full wing as aileron!
BlackPixxelDE . It’s an elevon: both elevator and aileron.
And elevator.
My Lord they are cheep.. I went to my local lidl and they haved 6 and only 4 now I pick up two ;-) 80 kr Danish and I think around 10 us or less pretty damn good price.. again very much thanks for showing it.. have great a day and some good winds ;-) Lase
Well done Lase
I like it, wish we had those here.
Please tell me that wasn't your backyard...Outstanding
Ha! That would be nice. 15min walk through a park to get here from my old house.
Very cool Andrew.
A pleasure to watch
And no motors!
your a wizard!
very cool, i missed them when they came to the uk, so may be next time
Very nicely done
These gliders are now available at kmart in AU and NZ
Great news thanks. I just got one from Banggood for twice that price.
Love this GREAT JOB ANDREW!
Great video and has given me so many ideas
Excellent, start inventing!
LIDL supermarket UK ... then it was a german lidl product I guess ... which I missed - nice upgrade
Clever idea from a genius.
Brilliant Andrew
Man you get all the cool toys
Crazy people send me stuff!! Thanks mate
Hi Andrew. These gliders are on sale again this week in Lidl.
Snap them up
nice mods you make it look easy
Nice mod. Congrats
Nice work!!
Awsom great job mate
Hi Andrew,
That was some simple mods. Hope it slopes fine.
These models need more dihedral if you are going to fly them free flight. Apart from this major fault they are well designed.
Picked up one last week and I am planning to do the same pitcheron mods. Could you please publish a parts list and dimensions/positions of the cuts, etc. to help us amateurs :) ?
Speedster Den has published all that on RCGroups and his channel.
I could not find one in the USA so I went on ebay and ordered a few different ones and made me one like that and then powered it with a king kong 1103 brushless.
Hi Andrew
Nice Video i have wach it several times
And yesterday i got one and converted it to rc.
-Robin
Excellent, it's a fun project
Andrew Newton please Check out my youtoube Channel i also have a Video from the lidl glider. Sloping in the beautiful Country switzerland..
Best wishes
Robin
Very good!
Wow #1 - such a cheap base for a scratch project. Gotta get me me at least 2 of those!
Wow #2 - never seen pitcherons (wingerons?) before either. Can't wait to see how well it flies/slopes...tho, from the teaser at the end, the answer to that is it flies beautifully!
Are you planning to do anything with the other airframe?
Yes, I'll make another wing and see what evolves
The best tutorial for pitcheron! Thx! Does this "steering" method have any pros. or cons. vs. aileron and elevator setup? Best regards from Hungary!
Greetings to Hungary. It gives much snappier rolls and slow lazy loops.
so pitcherons vs ailerons on these epp gliders? which one you like better?
Pitcherons are unique but aileron elevator would fly better
Hi Andrew that plane looks very similar to a foamie you scratch built about 2 yrs ago that you called *La Fish* I'm in the UK and there's a LIDL near me, I wonder if they still stock this little gem ?.
loonypics yes, right now! Just bought two of them
saxxonian : Many thanks for replying I live near Reading Berkshire. Can I a further 2 Qtn's What is the exact name of the plane and how much are they.
loonypics they are called the
Playtive XL glider plane and sell for £8
If you look over my right shoulder you will see 2 Le Fish in the rack.
saxxonian : Hi again Mate, Yesterday I told a friend about this great little plane. Guess what, today, I called by to deliver some lipo's I ordered online for him, And there was this little beauty sat on his coffee table. I've bought this at LIDL yesterday just for you. Wow what nice surprise eh !. Mine has a light green fuz with black wings. I'm gonna do an elevator / rudder mod' with a pull pull closed loop system with both servos up front. *Thanks again and to you Andrew, you unwittingly made this happen* .
That's awesome!
Simple fun
Very popular in the rtno group again
This was a nice build. :-)
Good flight looks very stable
One question, I'm doing the same modification on the wings and I've already done the servo programming on the station as elevons.
The question is in which direction do the wings have to move when I want to climb?
And in which direction should the wing on the left be moved when I want to turn to the left?
Where is the center of gravity?
Thanks for your answer if you can help me
It is a bit confusing. Left leading edge down to roll left, both leading edges up to pitch up. It rolls much faster than it loops.
Well to avoid mistakes I will formulate my question in another way.
Which position must have the leading edge of the wings to go up
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@@AndrewNewton Thank you very much. I am gona try this weekend
@@AndrewNewton thank you Andrew. I recently got a slightly smaller one of these 30 inch wingspan and 34 inch fuse on Amazon. Have you seen one this size? Seems identical just smaller? Also the cg on it is about 75% back from the leading edge which I'm amazed it seems to glide well with this so, so I was thinking of keeping it there for my conversion? I want to go 2 channel so either bank and yank tailless or pitcheron can't decide 😜 loved the way the pitcheron conversion is so clean and efficient also the way you did the wings as a whole rather than splitting them first is brilliant.
Andrew! It's like rc runs in your veins- did u build a 100 models as a kid?
Haha, not RC but I was always making kites and billy carts as a kid
Well done, Andrew, but ... , you promised a vid. flying the "Lidl" ... :-)
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These are now back in UK Lidl stores
Thanks for the alert Gary
Thanks Andrew, just bought two of them, here in the UK, and will convert them into "pitcherons". Thinking of making them fit back in the original box, easier to carry around.
What receiver do you use on yours?
Keep it up, always looking forward to seeing your posts.
Receiver is FrSKY D4R
Andrew Newton thank you, will need to get one.
Gday Andrew . The aussie discount chain called the reject shop were selling an almost identical glider that was branded the albatross for about $20. I grabbed 1 and motorised it. and made it a 4 ch.
Made the mistake of not reinforcing the wings with extra carbon and just used the thin piece supplied with it.
It looked pretty funny as it flapped around the oval nearly folding the wings with every turn.
Will you keep yours a sloper or will you motorise it ?
Just a sloper initially, need to investigate these pitcherons, maybe a motor on the second fuselage
back in stock at lidl in uk!
Sweet, thanks for the alert.
Great Video !!! I build one Lidl last year with 2s, emax CF2805/2450kv, 20a ESC and it flies like a dream. Now i´m building one the way you did, with 3s 1550mah, 2205/2300kv, 30a ESC. Do you think the Wing tube with 6mm is strong enough for it ? Greetings from germany!!
Sweet! Yes, 6mm is overkill
@@AndrewNewton ,allright thanks for your quick answer !
Hello Andrew, how wide is the central part of the wing in cm ? Thx
Ben.
16cm root chord
Super idée Andrew, comme d'habitude ! Quelle est la musique qui accompagne la vidéo. Merci beaucoup !
Merci. Aurora Currents by Asher Fulero, RUclips Audio Library
Merci Andrew Vous êtes le meilleur !
good idea
What kind of g forces were you expecting for gods sake
Referring to what?
@@AndrewNewton Just seems a bit over built . Still it looks great.
cool
The one thing Im having trouble with on a similar project is; where to find 6mm carbon tube with a 4mm internal diameter....
I came back here again to see if there was a link, would you have any suggestions as to where I might find some please Mr Newton?
Thanks in advance for any help possible :)
www.carbonfiber.com.au/prod22.htm
the LIdl online store delivers only within Germany....
Curse their restricted shipping policy
Are the CG and Wing Pivot Point measured from the LEADING or TRAILING Edge of the wing .... Thanks
Leading edge
Hi Andrew. Have been hanging out to give this a try. Did your 6mm CF tube fit the 4mm rod or
did you need to sand it down a bit?
Correct, I did have to sand it down a little
Andrew Newton Thanks Andrew
Great video, thanks mate.
Anyone have a link for setting up Pitcherons on a DX6i ?
what are pitcherons
Use elevon setting on power plane, setting is not available on sailplane. There's some tutorials on RUclips
What keeps the wings from coming off just the friction and the control rods?
Never mind every watched it I can see the little rubber band you put on it
Yep, I had to epoxy them on
Thanks for the video, can you tell me
wing amplitude
34"
Good
wonder if this is out under another name anywhere
What happens if the pivot line is flush against a fuselage?
As long as it's not rubbing or obstructed it should be same
Do you have a qx7 radio setup guide for Wingerons? I'm having a tough time getting my receiver to make the correct commands. I can get the receiver bound, but can't get it to control the servos. Can I change the channel settings without having to rebind the receiver? Thanks in advance.
I figured it out. It was the -100 in the setup. Looks like I"m good to go.
Well done. Fun little glider and a great radio
@@AndrewNewton HA...I'm trying my luck with a 3D printing Powered Glider. I don't have a lidl glider to mess around with....yet....
Best part is aleron control mechanism 😀
It's weird but works
En España no lo venden , estuvo una temporada. H no encuentro este avión por ninguna tienda pero gracias por responder.
Hard to find unfortunately
¡Acabo de comprar 2 en Lidl Huércal-Overa (Almería) así que es posible!
Pues mandame uno por correo y te pagaría 😊
Je je je! Tengo planes para los dos, lo siento! ¡Tendrás que moverte más rápido la próxima vez!
I see how the wing doesn't hit the servo ....
Jart Jart Jart Jart...!!!!!
Yes mini-Jart. I thought of you when I looked at the photo.
Would it be possible to make wings detachable?
Very easy, only held on by the o-ring on the end of the spar. Mine is glued on but you could come up with something removable.