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INY Day 2 - Bracket Pool #1 - Winner Ro16: [A]rmada (Fox/Peach) vs Bizzarro Flame (Ganon)
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Bizz lost the set, but he won in our hearts
itsacrocidile that peach is so bullshit
+itsacrocidile he took a game against the fox that won evo 2015. he won our souls. dudes lookin like a warlock. oh shit.
aJRedi And the fox that won TBH5.
itsacrocidile Indeed. i was watching ;)
+ferreroman People who say that peach is op or broken are brain dead.
I love his passion for the game. He is so genuinely happy playing the game. Netting himself such a win and seeing his reaction really gave ME the feels, haha.
as someone said
20$$ > 20XX
billpikax8 What's 20$$?
EEEASY MOOONEEEY
Antony Di Placido EZ$! /tag
billpikax8 twunnymunnymunny
Even though he lost the set, the fact that he forced Armada off character is something to be said.
Armada wasn’t invincible. But he could take a hard punch and still win better than anyone else
@@owoFlygon I don’t think so but if I am I don’t mind it at all
"Armada comes out of the room"
Mango: So what were you doing in that room man?
Armada: Eh you know, same old same old.
Mango: Oh really? Then why do I see some Bizz on your shirt?
Armada: ........................
Mango: Did you get Bizzed on?
Armada: ......yes.
Mango: Its cool dude, happens to the best of us.
Literally preaching to the choir lol
The year is 20$$, everyone plays Dorf.
Armada looking sooooooooooooo salty at 6:40
TheImpossibleMan EASSYYYY MONEYYY
TheImpossibleMan yeah, very disappointing. I mean, bizzarro is always happy for the matches even though he loses and I think Armada should have acted better towards him after bizzarro won. It was a huge win for him after all, and Armada's reaction was pretty disrespectful
Alexmedkex It does look salty but Armada often has that kind of face even when he wins.
TheImpossibleMan I dont think he looks salty at all, I think he looks like 'well that happened, better just pick peach and think on that later"
TheImpossibleMan the year 20XX everyone realize theres counterpicks
armada's expression after bizzes game was just "i will never live this down"
I thought it was more like “alright, now your gonna get it”
More like "I'm not impressed"
When Bizz wins that game you can see the look of "I can do it, Ganon can do it, it's possible" and the emotion is just so much I love this set even though he lost he proved his skill and earned everyone's respect
I've never seen a man with such passion and love for the game. Every time Bizz starts tearing up after a match, it reminds me that there is a profound happiness to playing and it's all that matters, win or lose.
The feels, man.
BIZZ
He lost the set, but came away a winner. In that moment, EEEEEZZZZZ MONNAAYYY was what everyone believed in.
DAAM bizzaro!! For a lawyer this man be breaking the law with that BEATING!
Such a good call by the commentator even 5 years later.
" Bizzaro takes a game! Bizzarro takes a game off Armada! With Ganondorf!"
One of the few times someone out of the top 8 managed to take a game off Armada in bracket. And with fucking Ganon no less. Bizarro should be proud of having this win as his legacy... whilst also reminding us of how nuts Armada is
Showdowngg is the best. Putting VGBootcamp to shame with the quick uploads.
CubicBurrito45 Expand?
this aged bad
Bizzarro is the one true god, holy shit I'm so hapy he took a game off, congratulations man! keep practicing and money match leffen for that EZAAAYYY MONEEEEYYYY $$$
I REALLY WANNA SEE HIM DESTROY LEFFEn
That Second match though making Ganon a name in all of all smash players eyes
SlothMyMango Someone doesn't remember RoM2.
zyaffee Can you explain?
jdfpoeh Kage beat Mango twice, in winners and losers and knocked him out of the tournament, ended up getting third.
+ZioPuccio wasn't he sandbagging at that?
nah he was going puff there!
Bizzarro get so fucking hyped when he wins that match I love it
Bizzaro flame showing everyone why he is the best ganon player in the world , and making ganon look top tier ! #ThePeoplesChamp
***** if i remember correctly (i could be wrong) Kage hasen't taken a game off of armada
***** well played good sir
***** oh god yes that'd be great
***** He's taken 2 sets from Mango. Biz took a set off a drunk Mango and a set off a sandbagging Leffen if those count.
Wesley Crawford Sorry pal, Kage wrecked Bizz.
WE LOVE YOU, BIZZ!
6:40 Armada = When you're listening to your friend talk about something you don't care about
I was just wondering why Ganondorf is in the very middle of the tiers. Before I get into what I mean, allow me to first put out there that I have been playing for years, and I have watched MANY videos of the tournament masters.
My brother and I found out, through years of play, literally EVERY advanced technique in the game, except the wavedash, which we stumbled upon, but wrote off as simply hilarious. I was surprised to find that all the wacky observations we have encountered and adapted are actually defined in the glossary in the sticky topic above! Three of the particularly surprising terms that I could not believe had been widely known and utilized were the Phantom Hit (I just thought I had a glitchy game) and that effect where recovering at the right time from attacks that sent you flying results in an upward boost if you jump out/air dodge/whatever early enough (I cannot remember what it was called in the sticky), and the waveland.
Now, I have been using Ganondorf against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts Ganon at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. Ganondorf has his air forward. We call it 'The Punch.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages.
If he misses, he can just do his A punch if the opponent tries to retaliate, or shield/roll. I am telling you, Ganondorf is a crazy meat mountain who crushes bones with many attacks doing 15+%, survives to insane damages thanks to his weight, and has ridiculous horizontal recovery (Double Jump, Ganondorf Kick Down B, ANOTHER Double Jump, ARE YOU SERIOUS, Up B).
Next, check his roll. It goes like half screen. It makes him rather fast, nearly eliminating his speed problem on the ground, and a great character when it comes to the defensive game. It pretty much eliminates the need for his wavedash, which, with Ganondorf, who needs to do most of his attacking from hops, is pretty much useless already unless you are looking to smash attack. Wavesmashing, however, in my opinion, is also a bad idea, because, in the time and damage it takes you to actually land a smash, you could have just used The Punch and killed you opponent by then.
Even though he has to fight mostly in the air, 3 of his 4 air attacks are pretty fast, and are quite massive. A major advantage he has is that nearly all his attacks move the opponent considerably, and can topple him from 0%, so his opponent gets little to no counterattack opportunity.
The only explanation I can find for why he is low on the tiers is that no one has used him seriously. I think he really keeps up, if not tops, the top tier characters.
I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. Is there online for this somewhere, or is that simply wishful thinking? If not, please do not yell at me and stuff until you at least check out The Punch. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give Ganondorf another shot and tell me what you thnk.
Final Comment: People have a tendency to think that posts from newcomers to a board but veterans of its respective game are saying they are better than everyone else, regardles of what the post actually says. Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'Ganon is better than Fox.' I said, essentially: 'Ganon seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Fox. Check him out and see if you agree.' I will say, however, that I am a full master of Ganondorf.
Please give Ganondorf a second look before responding so you know where I am coming from!
AwesomenessManDude it's true that Ganon has a great forward aerial, and a good jab. There's a reason he's not low tier, after all. His kill power really is insane like you said. But Ganon has really high end lag on all of his moves basically (other than jab and some normals on the ground), and it's real punishable, and while he has good movement on platforms with waveland it really doesn't make up for his super linear approaches. He has no projectile, meaning he can't force an approach very easily, and he can't move safely between platforms or very quickly at all, so he's very liable to being camped out. I know you say the punch goes through projectiles, but this is not true when it comes to lasers or even needles usually, and turnips can be pulled fast enough to make punching them a bad decision at range.
Plus, he is very very easy to combo by good players using decent characters. He's extremely heavy so it's really easy to rack up a ton of percent quickly off a whiff punish since Ganon has so much lag and is easy to punish in neutral.
Plus, sheik can easily chain grab Ganon pretty much to death, and Ganon has an extremely vulnerable and gimpable recovery, which nearly every solid character can exploit for easy kills. His double jump is extremely small and other than his fair, he has very little disjoint on his moves, so he can't really come down easily when he's above someone and not on a platform, and his jump isn't a super effective mixup when coming down.
Ganon is not bad, admittedly, he's a solid mid tier that has some pretty good wins overall (Kage especially has been killing it for the past decade even to this day) and Ganon has a super strong matchup against Icies too, which is a great matchup to have. But his weaknesses are extremely exploitable at a high level. I don't mean to insinuate anything about your skill level, but basing a tier list off of your own personal experience with the game with your friends is not smart. Ganon is known for being much stronger at lower levels of smash, since his huge forward air and crazy kill power is hard to avoid and exploit consistently if you're not a pro, and gimping his recovery is probably not done nearly as much at low level either.
The tier list is based off of the true potential of the character at a high level. Trust me when I say people have tried their hearts out to make Ganon good. Ganon isn't mid tier because no one has explored his true potential. Kage has dedicated most of his life to squeezing out every bit of potential from his character, to great effect, but his limitations are too glaring to overlook.
bizz is such an inspiration
Bizarro Flame NEEDS to practice with Armada, he flubbed a couple times in that set but I like to imagine if he trained to an extent that Armada has, he'd bring Ganondorf up to top-tier
Bizz's wavedashes are so clean. Always nice to watch
Wavelands too
The man beat your Fox with Ganon...you shake his damn hand.
Bizzy Money
+Sam Shiiv I love seeing your pic
My Goodness . . . . . . . .Bizz's 20XX dream is true.
20$$
EZ$$
6:40 Armada 100% RNG on that stitch face
6:42 lol bizz
Lmao
You are in every melee video!
That part of the video is so funny.
11:14 Oh look , a stitch.
This set embodies the soul of Melee to me.
Bizzaro Flame is the man!
Neva gonna gimp you off.
Neva gonna shine you down.
Neva gonna wavedash around and fox you.
INSPIRATIONAL
6:39 Armada's face: "You can't be serious"
Bizzarro Flame some day will be on the top 6, im not joking, that dude has been improving so much that ganondorf main. Maybe if he could use some other character just to counterpick fox/falco, because the disadvantage is huge, btw GG Bizzarro Flame, you're the best, greetings from Mexico (:
Hahaha, I remember Tafo hanging out on the floor throughout the stream.
Armada is not Impressed.
BIZZ DID IT
Anyone else suspect Armada gave him that game in the end based on his really terrible SD on last stock and his expression afterwards. Either way bizz outplayed him until that last edge guard.
Armada's peace is something else, he's just so pristine and accurate with everything he does, his doesn't seem as good to me.
Bizz is a rockstar.
this match really exemplifies how fox isnt a secondary for armada he is a counter to specific players who otherwise he struggles against. If armada really had a strong fox all around he would have never dropped that game
Perfect thumbnail
That tech after the turnip OMG. Bizz=best ganon
Bizzarro is the GOAT
Bizzaro's face at 5:07 wtf lol!
Lmao
Bizzaros face after that up smash 5:00
I love how the entire comments section is gushing only over Bizzarro Flame
6:41 Armada isn't having it. 😂
that last turnip was a stitch face too
Is ganons nair not any good because I never see bizz use it.
In melee its good but not a combo starter unless you only land the last hit which is very hard to do
(why) are these not 60 fps?
armada wasnt salty...thats just his face when he wins. You guys may think he was salty because he loss a game if he 3-0'd him he would of made the same face
Now i demand Amsa vs armada lr did it hapen
Unplug the controller dawg. Quit my nigga.
when a very good player faces another very good player but with better characters.
Peach would'a teched that.
Armada really counter picked ganon. we’d kick him out from smash night for a scum move like that.
6:42-6:43 did Bizzarro shit himself?
The commentary was really bad. We know Ganon is bad. Talk about the actual match.