Gandalf imposing himself in Black Speech was incredible. Everyone was overwhelmed, Elrond holding his head and Legolas (he seems very sensitive to Dark things like Balrogs and Black Speech) he looked like he was fainting.
To be honest, they could have given some context on what he was uttering because when I first watched it, it seemed like he was conjuring a spell to restore order. Granted, when i first saw it, i really liked the scene but when i started reading the book, it was made clear that those words were the Black Speech on the ring and Gandalf only uttered those words to prove a point.
@86sith During the Third Era Orcs are more bred from pools rather than corrupted, before you go "Only Sarumans", no this applies to Saurons Orcs in Morannon/Gorgoroth etc
Kutmu nakhash - "war is coming" Ziduk ya nan - uzu nak zidân - "there is no light, wizard, that can defeat the shadow" Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nudu - "Three rings for the Elven Kings under the sky"" Ombi kuzddurbagu gundum-ishi... - "seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone" Ash zil burzum-ishi - "one light alone in the darkness" Darzbandu ghûrizash - "so shall the kingdom of Angmar" Gû kîbum kelkum-ishi, burzum-ishi. - "there is no life in the cold, in the dark" Akha gûm-ishi, ashi gurum - "here in the void, only death". ash nazg durbatulûk - "one ring to rule them all" ash nazg gimbatul - "one ring to find them" ash nazg thrakatulûk - "one ring to bring them all" agh burzum-ishi krimpatul - "and in the darkness to bind them" (Srag glizdu nakhizish agh bugash obzidân - "all shall come to dust and be forgotten" [cut off from the movie])
Fun fact: JRR Tolkien rarely wrote about The Black Speech cuz he always hated writing about it. Hell, there was one time where a fan sent him a Goblet that had The Black Speech on it, and he found it so distasteful that he never drank from it and he used it as an ashtray. He would hate A LOT of LOTR merchandise today cuz a lot of merchandise has The Black Speech inscription on it.
@@ashleytaylor7621 what you ask doesn’t pertain to what my reply was. Peter jackson made the black speech “sound cool”. A book has no audio. peter jackson also made balrogs look like traditional demons and made sauron look the way he does. Tolkien didn’t.
When Azog attempts to talk to Sauron (cause let's be real, Sauron wasn't really lowering himself to really talking to some orc, he just spouted out his will and off he went again cause fuck underlings and their own dumb wishes) they've shown really nice that Sauron hears what Azog says but answers in such a way that he's simply putting out what is going to happen. For example Azog says "You promised me his head" Sauron just dismisses it as "All will die" which basically means "Well duh you moron, everyone's gonna die and that includes your inbred dwarf, I got no time for this". He responds to what Azog says but without really adressing what Azog has to say. Pretty good depiction of the difference between Sauron who's obviously the big bad and Azog, who thinks himself leagues above his paycheck.
This is exactly what I look for depictions of such powerful superior immortal beings, like gods, spirits and so on. A very impersonal behaviour full of personality. In a lot of fictions, such beings behave way too much like mortals, I just can't take them seriously, but Sauron spilling facts the way a bad bitch spills the tea is pure gold. Too much distance between the gods and and the mortals they interact with feels way too impersonal and thus weak, go buy a personality on Wish. But this moment is perfect, not to close in order to feel the beyond superiority, but not to distant in order to feel the real threat.
The ultimate in "reframing" the conversation. You ask a basic question but the person answers in a way that is a belittling lecture. Acceptable for an immortal but annoying from someone who is struggling to stay one step up in your workplace hierarchy.
@@paulpoumet773 That's a good point, however keep in mind that during the second age, when Sauron was at his most powerful, he interacted with mortals much more directly. Such as when he was taken captive in Numenor. I think Tolkien's view of the angelic was much more spiritual than just a simple removal. Other maiar spirits lived in Middle Earth too. They did have higher power yes but much of that was in wisdom and knowledge. Not just domination which is what Sauron sought for himself in vain
@@hodgrix Indeed, but at that time, Sauron was wearing a trikster mask, playing pretend of course his interactions at that time were way more direct. Same for the Istari, their mission was a secret, extremely few people know their true nature. In this video, Sauron is not hiding his divine nature and therefore speaks the way such being would speak in my opinion.
@@paulpoumet773 I guess I mean that like Melion the Maiar behaved essentially like.a high elf and not like some supernatural superpower. And to a certain extend Eonwe too who was greatest of the Maiar
@@МаксимЯромич Tri ringoj por la elfoj sub la hela ĉiel', Sep por la gnomoj en salonoj el ŝton'. Naŭ por la homoj sub la morto-sigel', Unu por la Nigra Reĝo sur la nigra tron' Kie kuŝas Ombroj en Mordora Land'. Unu Ringo ilin regas, Unu ilin prenas, Unu Ringo en mallumon ilin gvidas kaj katenas Kie kuŝas Ombroj en Mordora Land'.
Eh opinions, To me this sounds like an ancient ethereal being who is speaking a language he himself created.. In the original film it sounded like someones ran their grandpa's voice through a synthesizer. I prefer this faaaar more..
@@mohamedismayl7247 "Guard is at your command, Sauron lord of the earth".... Lord of the earth is probably a terms from the Bible because Satan is described as lord of the earth multiple times.
Best parts: 0:53-1:42,and 2:16-2:40 Three rings for the elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for mortal men doomed to die. One for the dark lord on his dark throne, In the lands of mordor where the shadows lie. One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, And in the darkness bind them. In the lands of mordor where the shadows lie. Black Speech: Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nudu, Ombi kuzddurbagu gundum ishi-bagu, Nugu gurunkilu bard gurutu. Ash Burz-Durbagu burzum-ishi. Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu. Ash nazg durbatulúk, Ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulúk, Agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu.
The voice from LotR is very menacing and creepy. BUT the voice from The Hobbit is scary. You can feel it in your bones even (especially with headphones), the audio guys did an amazing job.
Exactly...why is that...how they managed to fuck up ? Before no matter how evil is he...you feel fear and respect towards this character by other beings.
hahahahahshhahaha kaa That would make sense. The Great Eye has not yet been awakened. And the Hobbit takes place before LOTR. It would make sense that he wasn’t as powerful. He only revealed himself in the Hobbit. He wasn’t powerful.
@@高宇中 The "Great Eye" is just another form he takes, you can see him taking that form in the Hobbit, a slit of a shadow wreathed in flame. Mairon has lost much of his former power. Even when he becomes more powerful near the end of the Third Age, it pales in comparison to when he conquered almost all the lands of Middle Earth in the Second Age, and pales even further compared to Morgoth his master. Like Galadriel says, he is just a "servant of Morgoth."
Sabin Ozera Agreed, But my point still stands. Whether form or not, Sauron has just emerged back into the world. So of course he wouldn’t be as powerful as he is 60 years later in LOTR.
Sauron is the reason why the dwarves, elves and men got along. They were forced to work together to flight one great enemy. Sauron plays a big role and not all of it was evil.
Sauron (Gorthaur, Mairon ...) represents perfectly what it means to be a 'Fallen Angel'. Any remaining grace that he holds is dark and prideful, infernal yet abysmal all the same. His major essence is expelled into the One Ring, and so his remaining spirit is cold and vampiric. A great aesthetic, but truly Dark.
The Fellowship scene of Gandalf using black speech in Rivendell is the most impactful. Masterful direction and sound design. Not only is it sparing as fuck, like its literally just a few lines, but we mainly see the character's reactions to the speech, rather than anything else. No cutaways to the eye of Sauron or anything cheesy like that. We're grounded in what's happening in Rivendell and focussed on the effects of the speech of everyone present. And the layering of the sound is crazy. Gandalf's voice speaking some otherworldly shit, but also Sauron's voice which is more sinister & subdued but definitely has an evil presence. And the laughter at the end. So good. A great example of how not showing something makes it way scarier/imposing than being explicit. Same principle in horror, don't show the shark. Leave it up to the viewers' imagination. And in this scene you're left wondering 'WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT'. Much like probably the rest of the fellowship was thinking.
I think the reason that Sauron's dark speech in the hobbit sounds less menacing than LOTR is because Sauron hasnt really reached the power he has in LOTR. He is still weak. But when he gained enough power, he sounds more powerful and menacing Thats just my theory
@@whatisgoingonherebruh1 For what it's worth, Sauron did permanently lose his fair appearance in the fall of Númenor (as mentioned in the Silmarillion). His voice isn't mentioned though.
Something that the films failed to mention... the black speech is so evil that it taints who is listening to it almost like being in the presence of the ring.. Saurons magic is in everything he does and has created almost like a god his presence is in everything related to do with mordor. We see a little demonstration of this in Galdriel weakening in the battle of the white council and gandalf very weak to fight. And the small demonstration at the meeting of rivendel but that's the only times you really see the full affect of the black speech which is a shame
'From a fan, Tolkien received a goblet with the Ring inscription on it in Black Speech. Because the Black Speech in general is an accursed language, and the Ring inscription in particular is a vile spell, Tolkien never drank out of it, and used it only as an ashtray.'
In the presence of the One Ring, Gandalf was able to impose himself in Black Speech because he was able to challenge Sauron directly as they are both Maia. Gandalf and Sauron are both equal and opposite, Gandalf, being of light, and Sauron(originally called Marion), being of darkness.
In the books when he talks to Gimli in Fangorn, he (as the white wizard at this point) says that unless Gimli somehow stood before the dark lord himself, Gandalf was the most dangerous being he would ever meet. Now he may be playing himself up a bit but I think “wise” and “humble” are attributes of his that we should consider.
@@fantasticmrmonk nah Gandalf was definitely not capping, unless gimli encounters the blue wizard or Radagast I doubt he would encounter a man with that much power. if u think about it that middle earth is the battlefield of Angel and it's a 5 agains't 1
Anyone else actually trying to replicate what he is saying? shit is hard man! I give benedict props for learning these lines because just trying to repeat them is a challenge...
If you watch the special edition, Benedict spent several days with a Tolkien linguist reciting them. In the final cut, he recited the words backwards to add a foreign guttural sound when played forwards. The words themselves aren't too difficult, but the accent was hard to get. Even Benedict can't recite them in the same way it was shown in the film.
I still like the LotR version his voice is deep but enticing deceptive as if you’re speaking to a wise old man until he laughs it off which provides the creepy aesthetic to his character not only that but the voice itself is empowering much more than Cumberbatch’s version while there maybe some high and low tones having Sauron have that deep voice in LotR just fits especially when you compare it to the forms he took it sounds more plausible that he used that voice as the Dark Lord and as an Maiar.
this and all the other subtle whispering in various tense scenes with the ring i picked up are top qualiity. Heard a lot of snippets of the ring speech while watching the various extended editions.
the voice speaking at 1:10 sounds like Kamul, The Easterling speaking. it sounds so different and exotic. like some sort of Ancient Persian voice. the Easterlings in LOTR movies also have a very Ancient Persian inspired armour anyway.
The final prodigy 13 one ring to rule them all One ring to find them One ring to bring them all And in the darkness bind them In the land of mordor where the shadows lie
One ring, the root of church is 'circle', bind them, the root of religion is 'to bind'. One world, one people, one orc made from the people of earth. To serve. The dark 'lord' baal is a translation of lord.
Listen how Sauron's voice is mixed with Gandals's and his temperament keeps changing from calm to menacing while making the ring when Gandalf is uttering it 2:17
1:20 For all this movie does wrong, this is the best example of Black Speech in the Trilogy. It's dark, demonic, completely lacking any empathy or morals, and is oozing with pure evil. People forget that Sauron isn't a character, he's the actual personification of pure evil, and this is him speaking that language at its best.
smartass note: Tolkien made ONLY the poem of the One ring - One ring to rule them all ony ring to bind them etc... - everything else was made by other people for the purposes of the movie, derived from the poem. whole dictionary exists in multiple languages, but it's not Tolkien's. he's still cool though :D
There is also that one line from one of the Orcs who capture Merry and Pippin:"Uglùk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob bùbosh skai." Although that is a more modern, less pure (in the sense that it was influenced by other tongues" form of Black Speech.
@Johnson Adam That is true (though Tolkien was a philologist and the Hobbit wasn't part of the Legendarium originally, while the book he originally wrote and worked on the most is the Silmarillion), however that odes not mean every language he wrote was complete. Sindarin and Quenya are the most complete and Bleck Speech is at the other end of the spectrum with only these two bits ever developped. Which makes sense as he purposefully made it to be the most unpleasant (to his tastes) language possible.
@@fyraltari1889 The Hobbit was some of the very first material he wrote in the trenches fighting the germans in WW1 man. He hadnt written black speech at the time as we know it but you cant say he didnt have it until the Silmarillion lol
Wrong. What Tolkien was writing inside the trenches was the _Book of Lost Tales_ which would eventually turn into _the Silmarillion_ which would only be published posthumously. _The Hobbit_ he didn't start working on until the end of the 20s. I also never said "he didn't have [the Black Speech] until the Silmarillion". He invented the Black Speech for the purpose of _The Lord of the Rings_ and never made it anything close to a fucntionnal language as he only invented one sentence, one verse, and a couple words like Nazgul, Uruk-Hai and ghash.
Sauron might be the most intimidating and frightening villain lurking in the shadows. I don't think the likes of Voldemort or whoever else comes real close to him.
Few people know it, since very few have survived a confrontation with all creatures who use the Black Speech, but that language is spoken with soft accent, and thin voices, and includes horrible words as: "darn it'', ''gosh'' and finally ''gosh darn it''. Those few who have survived the Black Speech are still haunted by such hideous words, having nightmares each and every night of their sad lives.
Everyone saying he sounds more intimidating in LOTR, let’s not forget that during the Hobbit he would still be building himself up again. In LOTR he had pretty much rebuilt himself and was just making finishing touches before his assault on Middle Earth
I think some of the parts in Dol guldur especially when sauron was speaking to galadriel he was speaking either quenya or sindarian, since galadriel is a noldor princess she can speak both.
Idk y everyone hates saurons voice in the hobbit? It sounds very different to lotr but they both sound terrifying, 4 me the deeper the voice isn't automatically scarier, it's how it sounds as a whole so even tho it's higher pitched it sounds more demonic and sinister in the hobbit, I like both tho
I like the way they did it in the hobbit, one second its deep then it goes really high pitched for a second on some words, gives it a theatrical flare.
I don't like Sauron's voice in The hobbit, because the actor has serious issues trying to pronounce it, and I can note that. The one who did Azog voice pronounces it much better. If you created black speech of course you have to be the best when you speak in your language.
@@mrhalfwit972 i can do that, maybe because english isn't my native language, and i use to pronounce consonants harder, but the actor who play the role of orc (Azog?) did it very well too. It's Benedict Cumberbatch who can't.
FYI: Gandalfs black speech during the council of Elrond translates to this: "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them." It's inscribed in the One Ring.
The way he says "you cannot fight the shadow. Even now you fade. One light alone in the darkness" is the coolest in the video "Dunni kan markhan. Omidi-shu. Ashi burzum-ishi"
Interestingly, the name Oakenshield, whose Northmannish / Dalish equivalent is represented by the original Old Norse "Eikinskjaldi" gets a faint flavour of late Proto-(West)Germanic *Aikin[a]skelduz, when spoken in the Black Speech "Ekenskeld-u".
Fictional languages are the subset of constructed languages that were created as part of a fictional setting. Typically, they are the creation of an individual, while natural languages evolve from a particular culture or group of people, and other conlangs may have group involvement. Therefore, the Languages that Tolkien created are fictitious! There is no country, people or people who live speaking these languages naturally every day, as if they were fluent or native people where these languages were born (in their countries).
I like the black speech for both the hobbit and the lord of the rings The hobbit's black speech for sauron sounds snake like which him being a deceiver fits perfectly for him and in lord of the rings he sounds dark and imposing which again fits because he is the greatest threat to middle earth of course without melcor being around that is
that would be honest to precise most of these words are not at all created by Tolkien himself, but invented for the movies. No one seems to know it in the commentaries
Sauron's voice in the Hobbit is better than Lotr's. In the original trilogy he is just a deep voice trying to intimidate, the Black Speech suits him best especially when he recites the ring poem
I tend to agree as far as his voice, but the originals nailed the atmosphere/ambience wayy better. When Sauron said the Age of the Orc has come, I could not take it as seriously. Sauron doesn't care about orcs. Sauron in the original is ethereal, terrifying, and everywhere at once. Merely speaking the black speech brings echoes of his voice. The Hobbit trilogy never replicated that feeling imo.
So, I never really understood why the Elves look like they're under pain or distress when they hear Black Speech. Or when Sauruman talks with Sauron about building an army, he looks wraped up in his robes and looks like he's in regret. Can anyone explain why this is to me? And before any of you ask, I have not read the books at all
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Gandalf imposing himself in Black Speech was incredible. Everyone was overwhelmed, Elrond holding his head and Legolas (he seems very sensitive to Dark things like Balrogs and Black Speech) he looked like he was fainting.
Bara Thrum I would think black speech and whatnot would cause an elf mental pain
Jacob Campbell That’s what is demonstrated in the books, but Legolas really seemed sensitive to it.
To be honest, they could have given some context on what he was uttering because when I first watched it, it seemed like he was conjuring a spell to restore order. Granted, when i first saw it, i really liked the scene but when i started reading the book, it was made clear that those words were the Black Speech on the ring and Gandalf only uttered those words to prove a point.
@86sith During the Third Era Orcs are more bred from pools rather than corrupted, before you go "Only Sarumans", no this applies to Saurons Orcs in Morannon/Gorgoroth etc
@86sith A Lord of the Sith knows much
The black speech sounds so good
Really, for saying it sounds cool
I wonder if anyone could type out 1:20-1:40. To me that's iconic, sorta.
DJ Fitz Ir ez garan
Bur gahn-maszh
Dazb Angmu gul-liz ash
Dag bur-shur, nurb Ainur
Burz-khan im bro
Some people can say the black speech is a underrated conlang Since it’s the language of the most recognizable villain in Fantasy
it sounds dark like the invasion from the south. A language never heard in the land of the nordics... except that nowadays orcs roam free in the west
Kutmu nakhash - "war is coming"
Ziduk ya nan - uzu nak zidân - "there is no light, wizard, that can defeat the shadow"
Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nudu - "Three rings for the Elven Kings under the sky""
Ombi kuzddurbagu gundum-ishi... - "seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone"
Ash zil burzum-ishi - "one light alone in the darkness"
Darzbandu ghûrizash - "so shall the kingdom of Angmar"
Gû kîbum kelkum-ishi, burzum-ishi. - "there is no life in the cold, in the dark"
Akha gûm-ishi, ashi gurum - "here in the void, only death".
ash nazg durbatulûk - "one ring to rule them all"
ash nazg gimbatul - "one ring to find them"
ash nazg thrakatulûk - "one ring to bring them all"
agh burzum-ishi krimpatul - "and in the darkness to bind them"
(Srag glizdu nakhizish agh bugash obzidân - "all shall come to dust and be forgotten" [cut off from the movie])
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Thankyou very much.
Thank you for translate lord Sauron!
So Burzum means Darkness
Curious
I gave you 1 like which there was more than 1 like
Sauron laughing at the end is always creepy no matter how many times I hear it.
Where in the video is it exactly?
Ghostley Centurion 2:35
icedtea104 ah, thank you
I'm not sure, but sounds like an echo, not laughing
is not a laught
Imagine morgoth's voice
Just eternal horror.
@@apotheosis1660 that will made voldemort into a janitor of angband
Let’s not 😰😰😰😰😰😰😱😱😱😱
Eternal Suffering so strong that even God prohibits anything from hearing from it as just the voice alone would be suffice to steal your soul
Barry Gibb voice!
Fun fact: JRR Tolkien rarely wrote about The Black Speech cuz he always hated writing about it. Hell, there was one time where a fan sent him a Goblet that had The Black Speech on it, and he found it so distasteful that he never drank from it and he used it as an ashtray. He would hate A LOT of LOTR merchandise today cuz a lot of merchandise has The Black Speech inscription on it.
It's makes considering that sauron and morgoth kind of represents evil and Satan and we all know how religious Tolkien was
Well he shouldn't have made satan look and sound cool
@@primus3217he didn’t do that, Peter Jackson did
@@raedenjay who wrote the books Tolkien or Jackson? Next question what came first the books or the movies?
@@ashleytaylor7621 what you ask doesn’t pertain to what my reply was. Peter jackson made the black speech “sound cool”. A book has no audio. peter jackson also made balrogs look like traditional demons and made sauron look the way he does. Tolkien didn’t.
When Azog attempts to talk to Sauron (cause let's be real, Sauron wasn't really lowering himself to really talking to some orc, he just spouted out his will and off he went again cause fuck underlings and their own dumb wishes) they've shown really nice that Sauron hears what Azog says but answers in such a way that he's simply putting out what is going to happen.
For example Azog says "You promised me his head" Sauron just dismisses it as "All will die" which basically means "Well duh you moron, everyone's gonna die and that includes your inbred dwarf, I got no time for this".
He responds to what Azog says but without really adressing what Azog has to say. Pretty good depiction of the difference between Sauron who's obviously the big bad and Azog, who thinks himself leagues above his paycheck.
This is exactly what I look for depictions of such powerful superior immortal beings, like gods, spirits and so on. A very impersonal behaviour full of personality.
In a lot of fictions, such beings behave way too much like mortals, I just can't take them seriously, but Sauron spilling facts the way a bad bitch spills the tea is pure gold.
Too much distance between the gods and and the mortals they interact with feels way too impersonal and thus weak, go buy a personality on Wish. But this moment is perfect, not to close in order to feel the beyond superiority, but not to distant in order to feel the real threat.
The ultimate in "reframing" the conversation.
You ask a basic question but the person answers in a way that is a belittling lecture.
Acceptable for an immortal but annoying from someone who is struggling to stay one step up in your workplace hierarchy.
@@paulpoumet773 That's a good point, however keep in mind that during the second age, when Sauron was at his most powerful, he interacted with mortals much more directly. Such as when he was taken captive in Numenor. I think Tolkien's view of the angelic was much more spiritual than just a simple removal. Other maiar spirits lived in Middle Earth too. They did have higher power yes but much of that was in wisdom and knowledge. Not just domination which is what Sauron sought for himself in vain
@@hodgrix Indeed, but at that time, Sauron was wearing a trikster mask, playing pretend of course his interactions at that time were way more direct. Same for the Istari, their mission was a secret, extremely few people know their true nature.
In this video, Sauron is not hiding his divine nature and therefore speaks the way such being would speak in my opinion.
@@paulpoumet773 I guess I mean that like Melion the Maiar behaved essentially like.a high elf and not like some supernatural superpower. And to a certain extend Eonwe too who was greatest of the Maiar
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
Summoning - a new power is rising
Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nadu.
Ombi kuzddurbagu gundum-ishi
Nugu gurunkilu bard gurutu
Ash Burz-Durbagu burzum-ishi
Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu
Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash naz gimabtul,
as nazg thakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
Gakh nazgi ilit durub, uri lata nut,
udu takob, ishiz-gunt, ob ghazad shakh-uri,
krif shara uri-maturz, matat dumpuga,
Ash tug-shakhburz, ur ulima tab, ishi-za
Uzg Mordor-ishi amal, faufut burguli.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
Uzg Mordor-ishi amal, faufut burguli.
@@МаксимЯромич
Tri ringoj por la elfoj sub la hela ĉiel',
Sep por la gnomoj en salonoj el ŝton'.
Naŭ por la homoj sub la morto-sigel',
Unu por la Nigra Reĝo sur la nigra tron'
Kie kuŝas Ombroj en Mordora Land'.
Unu Ringo ilin regas, Unu ilin prenas,
Unu Ringo en mallumon ilin gvidas kaj katenas
Kie kuŝas Ombroj en Mordora Land'.
kurde, jak to jest że ciebie można spotkać w najbardziej losowych miejscach. czy to na okku, czy też na innych losowych redditach czy nawet na yt
Sauron sounds sooooooo much more menacing in the original films.
Eh opinions,
To me this sounds like an ancient ethereal being who is speaking a language he himself created..
In the original film it sounded like someones ran their grandpa's voice through a synthesizer.
I prefer this faaaar more..
true, the original films he sounded like a terrifying and powerful dark lord/god.
I can hear Benedict Cumberbatch in the hobbit one 😥
@Antun Šturlić Actually the hobbit book was also made for children. But yeah it could've been better.
Agree. But I calm myself thinking that in the LOR he is on the peak of his power, but in the Hobbit he’s still relatively weak.
“Build me a army worthy of Mordor” gave me chills. It’s like listening to actual fire filled with malice and hate. I love it
1:57 "God, Is that you, Come on, Sauron, lord of the earth, (some gibberish), build me an army worthy of Mordor"
@@mohamedismayl7247 "Guard is at your command, Sauron lord of the earth".... Lord of the earth is probably a terms from the Bible because Satan is described as lord of the earth multiple times.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.@@abhabh6896
KRRRRRRRRRIMPATUUUUL
HA HA HA HA HA...
KRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYPtonite... ! ;)
Ive always loved how R is pronounced same way its pronounced in Finnish
@@jarskil8862 thats cause some of this language is built off of Finnish
It made me giggle too 😆
“There is no life in the void only...death.” Chills
Well considering who is chained into void.... Can't blame ya...
Best parts: 0:53-1:42,and 2:16-2:40
Three rings for the elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for mortal men doomed to die.
One for the dark lord on his dark throne,
In the lands of mordor where the shadows lie.
One ring to rule them all,
One ring to find them,
One ring to bring them all,
And in the darkness bind them.
In the lands of mordor where the shadows lie.
Black Speech:
Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nudu,
Ombi kuzddurbagu gundum ishi-bagu,
Nugu gurunkilu bard gurutu.
Ash Burz-Durbagu burzum-ishi.
Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu.
Ash nazg durbatulúk,
Ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulúk,
Agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu.
damn i love it
Yes!
Damn bro you a real one!
Dunni kan markhan. Omidi-shu. Ashi burzum-ishi.
The voice from LotR is very menacing and creepy. BUT the voice from The Hobbit is scary. You can feel it in your bones even (especially with headphones), the audio guys did an amazing job.
1:20
Ir ez garan
Bur gahn-maszh
Dazb Angmu gul-liz ash
Dag bur-shur, nurb Ainur
Burz-khan im bro
Where can I learn a bit of the black speech? ... I find just "jow to learn Quenya" online...
@@JhonnyD88 i have downloaded it.
@@springtrappurpleguy315 Can you share it here?
@@nakqalzaki how?
@@springtrappurpleguy315 A link perhaps? :)
1:22 That gave me goosebumps.
Sauron in lotr : creepy frightening ethereal and otherworldly. Sauron in hobbit: demented freak who likes to play pranks.
Exactly...why is that...how they managed to fuck up ?
Before no matter how evil is he...you feel fear and respect towards this character by other beings.
NexusCool1 I’m guessing because Sauron wasn’t as strong in the hobbit as in lotr
hahahahahshhahaha kaa That would make sense. The Great Eye has not yet been awakened. And the Hobbit takes place before LOTR. It would make sense that he wasn’t as powerful. He only revealed himself in the Hobbit. He wasn’t powerful.
@@高宇中 The "Great Eye" is just another form he takes, you can see him taking that form in the Hobbit, a slit of a shadow wreathed in flame. Mairon has lost much of his former power. Even when he becomes more powerful near the end of the Third Age, it pales in comparison to when he conquered almost all the lands of Middle Earth in the Second Age, and pales even further compared to Morgoth his master.
Like Galadriel says, he is just a "servant of Morgoth."
Sabin Ozera Agreed, But my point still stands. Whether form or not, Sauron has just emerged back into the world. So of course he wouldn’t be as powerful as he is 60 years later in LOTR.
i like how his lines kinda rhyme at 1:20. very sexy of him. and there is also so much of mockery and undoubtful sense of superiority in his voice.
his voice fluctuates to different tones in the newer films it’s so dope
Sauron is the reason why the dwarves, elves and men got along. They were forced to work together to flight one great enemy. Sauron plays a big role and not all of it was evil.
Lol yea it all for evil. He planned on enslaving everyone if he won. He didn't do everything he did just to bring the people together
"The stumbling block of sin becomes a stepping stone".
Sauron (Gorthaur, Mairon ...) represents perfectly what it means to be a 'Fallen Angel'. Any remaining grace that he holds is dark and prideful, infernal yet abysmal all the same. His major essence is expelled into the One Ring, and so his remaining spirit is cold and vampiric. A great aesthetic, but truly Dark.
1:20 was my favorite.
Totaly.
Talon C. Le music and the scene is the best of the Black speech
A very sharp voice...
Same
The Fellowship scene of Gandalf using black speech in Rivendell is the most impactful.
Masterful direction and sound design. Not only is it sparing as fuck, like its literally just a few lines, but we mainly see the character's reactions to the speech, rather than anything else. No cutaways to the eye of Sauron or anything cheesy like that. We're grounded in what's happening in Rivendell and focussed on the effects of the speech of everyone present.
And the layering of the sound is crazy. Gandalf's voice speaking some otherworldly shit, but also Sauron's voice which is more sinister & subdued but definitely has an evil presence. And the laughter at the end. So good.
A great example of how not showing something makes it way scarier/imposing than being explicit. Same principle in horror, don't show the shark. Leave it up to the viewers' imagination.
And in this scene you're left wondering 'WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT'. Much like probably the rest of the fellowship was thinking.
Listening to this through headphones is an eargasm
BENNY COCO
@@sicongli6594 yesss
I have sound canceling earbuds and holy fuck I'm in love
1:25 how could one not be completely charmed and overwhelmed by such warm and destructive beauty.
"The time of the elves has ended.the age of the orc has come".as if sauron cares about orcs.
Not like Sauron loves the orcs, but they serve him, orcs ruling the world is darkness ruling the world! So yeah he would like that.
Benedict Cumberbatch as the necromancer is definitely a treat
I am convinced that all evil in all fantasy movies bows to Sauron.
"Ashi...burzum mishi". Fcking highest level of epicnes!!!
I think the reason that Sauron's dark speech in the hobbit sounds less menacing than LOTR is because Sauron hasnt really reached the power he has in LOTR. He is still weak. But when he gained enough power, he sounds more powerful and menacing
Thats just my theory
Sebastiaan Rabet Only when he tried to deceive people, his darker fiery voice is him showing his true colours, his ‘true voice’ as it were
@@whatisgoingonherebruh1 For what it's worth, Sauron did permanently lose his fair appearance in the fall of Númenor (as mentioned in the Silmarillion). His voice isn't mentioned though.
I don't think he sounds less menacing at all
Yeah... either that, or The Hobbit is simply trash.
That's just my theory.
My theory is, The Hobbit is a book for children and the most menacing thing in it is dwarfs stumbling over their own feet
For some reason i find black speech's throaty whisperings most soothing
Azog... The only orc who can rage at Sauron with no consequences. Man he was badass, too bad they overdid him with the CGI.
the fact that he was meant to be dead is also pretty lore shattering.
Imagine learning magic of the dark arts just to realize you have to hear voices like this in your head every time you decide to use it lol
Something that the films failed to mention... the black speech is so evil that it taints who is listening to it almost like being in the presence of the ring.. Saurons magic is in everything he does and has created almost like a god his presence is in everything related to do with mordor. We see a little demonstration of this in Galdriel weakening in the battle of the white council and gandalf very weak to fight. And the small demonstration at the meeting of rivendel but that's the only times you really see the full affect of the black speech which is a shame
Too bad Tolkin was too scared of his own mind to finish this language Id love to learn it
'From a fan, Tolkien received a goblet with the Ring inscription on it in Black Speech. Because the Black Speech in general is an accursed language, and the Ring inscription in particular is a vile spell, Tolkien never drank out of it, and used it only as an ashtray.'
@Dangerous Joy Yeah but its from his own mind lol
@@Enzo012 OH yeah Ik about that story
In the presence of the One Ring, Gandalf was able to impose himself in Black Speech because he was able to challenge Sauron directly as they are both Maia. Gandalf and Sauron are both equal and opposite, Gandalf, being of light, and Sauron(originally called Marion), being of darkness.
Not equal.
Nah mang, Sauron could mop the floor with Gandalf, even Gandalf himself feared Sauron.
In the books when he talks to Gimli in Fangorn, he (as the white wizard at this point) says that unless Gimli somehow stood before the dark lord himself, Gandalf was the most dangerous being he would ever meet. Now he may be playing himself up a bit but I think “wise” and “humble” are attributes of his that we should consider.
@@fantasticmrmonk nah Gandalf was definitely not capping, unless gimli encounters the blue wizard or Radagast I doubt he would encounter a man with that much power.
if u think about it that middle earth is the battlefield of Angel and it's a 5 agains't 1
Many writers will create a language for their world. But it is known Tolkien made a world for his languages.
Sauron voice of black speech so good i love it❤
Anyone else actually trying to replicate what he is saying?
shit is hard man! I give benedict props for learning these lines because just trying to repeat them is a challenge...
If you watch the special edition, Benedict spent several days with a Tolkien linguist reciting them. In the final cut, he recited the words backwards to add a foreign guttural sound when played forwards.
The words themselves aren't too difficult, but the accent was hard to get. Even Benedict can't recite them in the same way it was shown in the film.
I still like the LotR version his voice is deep but enticing deceptive as if you’re speaking to a wise old man until he laughs it off which provides the creepy aesthetic to his character not only that but the voice itself is empowering much more than Cumberbatch’s version while there maybe some high and low tones having Sauron have that deep voice in LotR just fits especially when you compare it to the forms he took it sounds more plausible that he used that voice as the Dark Lord and as an Maiar.
this and all the other subtle whispering in various tense scenes with the ring i picked up are top qualiity. Heard a lot of snippets of the ring speech while watching the various extended editions.
As soon as I started playing this, my cat came in the room
Only cats understand dark lords.
In earlier texts, the lord of the cats was a companion of Morgoth.
the voice speaking at 1:10 sounds like Kamul, The Easterling speaking.
it sounds so different and exotic.
like some sort of Ancient Persian voice.
the Easterlings in LOTR movies also have a very Ancient Persian inspired armour anyway.
Hurrian
one ring to rule them all
one ring to find them
one ring to bind them all
and in the darkness bind them
The final prodigy 13 one ring to rule them all
One ring to find them
One ring to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them
In the land of mordor where the shadows lie
@@officefan7680 ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimpatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
One ring, the root of church is 'circle', bind them, the root of religion is 'to bind'.
One world, one people, one orc made from the people of earth. To serve. The dark 'lord' baal is a translation of lord.
...and to control Chuck Norris. But Sauron failed xD
In the land of Mordor
Where the shadows lie
Demon talk is legit. It sounds like a rougher version of Elvish.
2:15 badass sauron
Listen how Sauron's voice is mixed with Gandals's and his temperament keeps changing from calm to menacing while making the ring when Gandalf is uttering it 2:17
1:17 BURZUM!
Dur Hur Buzum durrrrr
Fuck Burzum.
Euronymous was a better musician.
Varg had to USURP his way into fame.
@@OneTrueVikingbard the fuck you talking bout?
@@XtreemMetalManRedToTheBone Mayhem is childish. Varg is better musicians. Fuck Mayhem.
Burzum over Mayhem
@@sangd4lang Opinions are like assholes
ash nazg durbatulûk ash nazg gimbatul ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul
I'm at your command,Sauron, lord of the Earth
We did it Frodo, you finally became the Lord of the Rings!
listening with headphones on makes this sooooo much better do it!!! they vibrate with his voice like an avalanche!
Dang, imagine if Gandalf joins Sauron, it would be a disaster cause he knows people too well.
1:20
For all this movie does wrong, this is the best example of Black Speech in the Trilogy.
It's dark, demonic, completely lacking any empathy or morals, and is oozing with pure evil. People forget that Sauron isn't a character, he's the actual personification of pure evil, and this is him speaking that language at its best.
precisely!
He is a character
@@7tearmee945 ofc he was many characters
And to think there was one greater than Sauron in the First Age.
I liked the voice of sauron when he was talking in between when Gandalf was speaking black speech
smartass note: Tolkien made ONLY the poem of the One ring - One ring to rule them all ony ring to bind them etc... - everything else was made by other people for the purposes of the movie, derived from the poem. whole dictionary exists in multiple languages, but it's not Tolkien's. he's still cool though :D
There is also that one line from one of the Orcs who capture Merry and Pippin:"Uglùk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob bùbosh skai." Although that is a more modern, less pure (in the sense that it was influenced by other tongues" form of Black Speech.
@Johnson Adam That is true (though Tolkien was a philologist and the Hobbit wasn't part of the Legendarium originally, while the book he originally wrote and worked on the most is the Silmarillion), however that odes not mean every language he wrote was complete. Sindarin and Quenya are the most complete and Bleck Speech is at the other end of the spectrum with only these two bits ever developped. Which makes sense as he purposefully made it to be the most unpleasant (to his tastes) language possible.
@@fyraltari1889 The Hobbit was some of the very first material he wrote in the trenches fighting the germans in WW1 man. He hadnt written black speech at the time as we know it but you cant say he didnt have it until the Silmarillion lol
Wrong. What Tolkien was writing inside the trenches was the _Book of Lost Tales_ which would eventually turn into _the Silmarillion_ which would only be published posthumously. _The Hobbit_ he didn't start working on until the end of the 20s. I also never said "he didn't have [the Black Speech] until the Silmarillion". He invented the Black Speech for the purpose of _The Lord of the Rings_ and never made it anything close to a fucntionnal language as he only invented one sentence, one verse, and a couple words like Nazgul, Uruk-Hai and ghash.
@@fyraltari1889 his first published book was in 1922 Middle English Vocabulary. So we were both wrong, and oh well lol
Ash zil... burzum-ishi...
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimpatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
BURRRZUM
BlargieArg 🤘🤘🤘🤘
One show to rule them all,
One show to find them,
One show to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
The Rings of power 2022
After the elves created the Jackson trilogy, Sauron waited for 20 years and created the show.
Sauron might be the most intimidating and frightening villain lurking in the shadows. I don't think the likes of Voldemort or whoever else comes real close to him.
I'd need at least two more mouths to speak this ....
“Dark Lord, can I kill Oakenshield now? You promised!”
Sauron: Did I?
Sounds more evil in lotr.
Sounds far more evil in hobbit imo. He sounds more powerful in lotrs tho
Build me an army worthy mordor
Sounds like the way Rammsteinn sing.
@86sith says 86sith... just no comment
shre Nazg Golugranu kilmi-nudu..ombi kuzdurbagu gundum-ishi..Nugu gurunkilu bard gurutu..Ash Burz-durbagu burzum ishi,Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu...
Few people know it, since very few have survived a confrontation with all creatures who use the Black Speech, but that language is spoken with soft accent, and thin voices, and includes horrible words as: "darn it'', ''gosh'' and finally ''gosh darn it''.
Those few who have survived the Black Speech are still haunted by such hideous words, having nightmares each and every night of their sad lives.
The start of @2:18 is so much a dark sounding voice
It does something to me...
Who else gets chills when he starts speaking
OT LOTR Sauron, SW Darth Vader, and TES Molag Bal are the bests villain voices ever made
2:07 my ears came
Also, Black Speech is [ʀ], not [r] and is [ɫ], not [l]. Well, there are other mistakes, but these ones are just so jarring anyone can hear them.
I'm german and i think it sounds very melodic :D
😂😂😂
I'm Kazak from Kazakstan. I agree.
Everyone saying he sounds more intimidating in LOTR, let’s not forget that during the Hobbit he would still be building himself up again. In LOTR he had pretty much rebuilt himself and was just making finishing touches before his assault on Middle Earth
Listening those speeches with a headphone gives me literal chills🥶
Fun fact :the actor of this voice is the same actor for smaug
I think some of the parts in Dol guldur especially when sauron was speaking to galadriel he was speaking either quenya or sindarian, since galadriel is a noldor princess she can speak both.
American: what language are you using in England?
English person:
1:20 onwards sounds god damn amazing
1:07 that creepy playful taunting is my favorite.
You don't often see that side of the higher villains like the Nazgul or Sauron.
Idk y everyone hates saurons voice in the hobbit? It sounds very different to lotr but they both sound terrifying, 4 me the deeper the voice isn't automatically scarier, it's how it sounds as a whole so even tho it's higher pitched it sounds more demonic and sinister in the hobbit, I like both tho
I like the way they did it in the hobbit, one second its deep then it goes really high pitched for a second on some words, gives it a theatrical flare.
I don't like Sauron's voice in The hobbit, because the actor has serious issues trying to pronounce it, and I can note that. The one who did Azog voice pronounces it much better. If you created black speech of course you have to be the best when you speak in your language.
@@rominaf3471 I mean, you try pronouncing the words
@@mrhalfwit972 i can do that, maybe because english isn't my native language, and i use to pronounce consonants harder, but the actor who play the role of orc (Azog?) did it very well too. It's Benedict Cumberbatch who can't.
@@rominaf3471 oof
FYI: Gandalfs black speech during the council of Elrond translates to this: "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them." It's inscribed in the One Ring.
1:43 IS really scary when given an HD sound and picture.
The way he says "you cannot fight the shadow. Even now you fade. One light alone in the darkness" is the coolest in the video
"Dunni kan markhan. Omidi-shu. Ashi burzum-ishi"
It's super cool to say oakenshield in black speech
Torin Okênshir ubu kurâni
Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nudu
Ombi kuzddurbagu gundum-ishi
Nugu gurunkilu bard gurutu
Ash Burz-Durbagu burzum-ishi
Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu
Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul
Interestingly, the name Oakenshield, whose Northmannish / Dalish equivalent is represented by the original Old Norse "Eikinskjaldi" gets a faint flavour of late Proto-(West)Germanic *Aikin[a]skelduz, when spoken in the Black Speech "Ekenskeld-u".
So has the original name of the balrogs, valaraukar, could be interpreted as cornerstones, on which Melkor built his evil empire...
Honestly I liked The Hobbit Black Speech more,sounds hella more evil.
He sounded more of a demented psychopath clinging to life's worthiness.
Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nudu,
Ombi kuzd-durbagu gundum-ishi,
Nugu gurunkilu bard gurutu,
Ash burz-durbagu burzum-ishi,
Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul
People need to stop saying, "fictional" language. It IS a language and it can be spoken. There are no fictional languages, there are only languages.
Fictional languages are the subset of constructed languages that were created as part of a fictional setting. Typically, they are the creation of an individual, while natural languages evolve from a particular culture or group of people, and other conlangs may have group involvement. Therefore, the Languages that Tolkien created are fictitious! There is no country, people or people who live speaking these languages naturally every day, as if they were fluent or native people where these languages were born (in their countries).
0:45 only scene I enjoyed with Benedict Cumberbatch's voice as Sauron
I LOVE how that shit just breaks Sarumans shit
Does anyone know what the Voice whispers in Black Speech at 2:03, before Sauron says: "Build me an army worthy of Mordor." ?
Sauron is terrifying
If he gave me one of the rings I will join him 🙂
Sauron: There is no light, Wizard...
Thorin grandpa: Is here.
Sauron: ...that can defeat darkness.
Me: I love Hobbit and Lord of the rings.
Thanks for your like 😃.
That was Thorin's father, Thráin :-)
I like the black speech for both the hobbit and the lord of the rings
The hobbit's black speech for sauron sounds snake like which him being a deceiver fits perfectly for him and in lord of the rings he sounds dark and imposing which again fits because he is the greatest threat to middle earth of course without melcor being around that is
that would be honest to precise most of these words are not at all created by Tolkien himself, but invented for the movies. No one seems to know it in the commentaries
Sauron's voice in the Hobbit is better than Lotr's. In the original trilogy he is just a deep voice trying to intimidate, the Black Speech suits him best especially when he recites the ring poem
I tend to agree as far as his voice, but the originals nailed the atmosphere/ambience wayy better. When Sauron said the Age of the Orc has come, I could not take it as seriously. Sauron doesn't care about orcs.
Sauron in the original is ethereal, terrifying, and everywhere at once. Merely speaking the black speech brings echoes of his voice. The Hobbit trilogy never replicated that feeling imo.
2:06 BUILD me an army.. Worthy of Mordorr..
So, I never really understood why the Elves look like they're under pain or distress when they hear Black Speech. Or when Sauruman talks with Sauron about building an army, he looks wraped up in his robes and looks like he's in regret. Can anyone explain why this is to me? And before any of you ask, I have not read the books at all
I might be wrong, but I think Sauron's voice alone can cause fear in those who hear it.
Sauron's voice and presence is so intimidating that cause negative feelings to others. And i think that Elves are more sensitive to Dark sorcery.
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Why do so few things move me like this? After reading The Silmarillion, yep