The Superstitious Sailor: The Ship's Bell

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  • The ship's bell is a sacred part of the ship, often considered the ship's soul, but why is that? What lead up to a piece of brass being considered the most sacred part of the ship?
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  • @Ohiotrucker1
    @Ohiotrucker1 Год назад +189

    As someone who heard the Edmund fitzgerald's bell first hand it's definitely a haunting sound.

    • @danielseelye6005
      @danielseelye6005 Год назад +14

      That was my thought as well after seeing the documentary of the recovery of the Bell, especially after I saw it at Michigan State University before it went to Detroit, though I think it's up in the Soo now.

    • @Ohiotrucker1
      @Ohiotrucker1 Год назад +10

      @Daniel Seelye the bell is at Whitefish point, the great lakes shipwreck museum has it.

    • @cbbees1468
      @cbbees1468 Год назад +12

      @@Ohiotrucker1 I haven't heard that bell but I can't help but wonder if it only sounds haunting because of what happened to the ship? In other words, if she was still in service wonder if it would still sound haunting.

    • @danielseelye6005
      @danielseelye6005 Год назад

      @@cbbees1468 Check out the documentary of the "Fitz" from 1995. They show the deep sea diver cutting the Bell from the pilothouse, welding the new commemorative Bell with the crews' names and the Bell breaking the surface, ringing clearly for all to hear.

    • @Ohiotrucker1
      @Ohiotrucker1 Год назад +6

      ​@CB Bees funny you should say that. When talking to ex crewmembers of the Fitzgerald they will always mentioned the bell's sound. When they heard it, it was sweet and soothing. Now it has the most haunting sound you will EVER hear.

  • @Lycano99
    @Lycano99 Год назад +18

    "Will ringing the bell 8 times bring on your demise sooner?"
    No. But when the Chief Bosun catches you, you will wish it had.

  • @clouded_sycamore
    @clouded_sycamore Год назад +132

    The part about the 8 bells also being considered synonymous with death is interesting because back in 2008, there was a horse called Eight Belles who ran second in the Kentucky Derby. Sadly, during the race, she broke her two front legs and had to be put down on the track after the race when she collapsed and couldn't get back up. I'd never seen that happen before in horse racing and the fact that she shares a name with something synonymous with death is a bit of a creepy omen.

    • @onemercilessming1342
      @onemercilessming1342 Год назад +6

      "Eight Bells" is NOT "Eight Belles". "Belles" is a word applied to pretty young girls in France. "Belle" is the name given to the heroine of Disney's "Beauty and the Beast".

    • @martinedwards4522
      @martinedwards4522 Год назад +17

      you missed the whole ( or should i say hole?) point

    • @FirstDagger
      @FirstDagger Год назад +13

      @@onemercilessming1342 ; No, she was called Eight Belles, there is a Wiki article on her, look it up. It was meant to be a wordplay.

    • @onemercilessming1342
      @onemercilessming1342 Год назад +3

      @FirstDagger No sh*t. Sherlock. Wordplay or not, don't try attributing a horse's fall or a jockeys incompetence to naval lore. Run along now.

    • @onemercilessming1342
      @onemercilessming1342 Год назад +3

      @martin edwards I missed nothing. Racehorse superstition (or shall I say, jockey incompetence) has NOTHING to do with naval lore. Run along now.

  • @shadowldrago
    @shadowldrago Год назад +50

    It seems like a lot of these superstitions DO have some root in history and generally amount to "This isn't strictly NECESSARY anymore, but, out of respect for tradition and better safe than sorry."

  • @P_RO_
    @P_RO_ Год назад +30

    Part of the "soul" mystique is that every bell sounds different from each other, even when cast from the same mold. Metal purity, casting temps and time in mold, engraving, air temp when cooling and more affect a bell's resonance. Someone familiar with with ships that frequent their harbor who has good hearing can tell who is in port in a dense fog just from the sound of the bells.

  • @Zizumia
    @Zizumia Год назад +14

    We rung a physical bell on the ship I was stationed on. It would ring to tell time and alert to fires while underway and we would only strike 12 in port.
    Funny about cooks taking care of the bell because the secret ingredient to keeping the thing shiny was hot sauce.
    Oh yeah, we'd take a bottle of Tabasco, dab our rags like it were a chicken wing and begin shining. Worked great!

  • @krzysztofbogusawski2041
    @krzysztofbogusawski2041 Год назад +25

    We still use the bell to tell time on the sail training ship Dar Młodziezy, as a way to cultivate tradition, but it's very handy since there are 40 men working in a watch at a time, and you can hear the bell high aloft on the masts so you can tell how much time has passed

  • @MajorT0m
    @MajorT0m Год назад +6

    My grandfather was in the Merchant Navy and always said after the eighth strike on the church bells back home, he would say a prayer. He would even do it when he came to visit me, saying he could always sense the bell end.

  • @coyote9594
    @coyote9594 Год назад +20

    The USN still rings bells. It is the responsibility of the OOD to ensure that the BMOW strikes the appropriate number of bells on time (with a smaller brass bell in the pilot house). When handing in the 12 o' clock reports to the CO, the messenger ends his report with requesting permission to strike 8 bells on time. The CSs (Navy cooks) are still responsible for the bell, and babies are still occasionally baptized in them with their names inscribed inside

  • @johnmcgregor3671
    @johnmcgregor3671 Год назад +8

    When I was in sea cadets I was the messenger and the bell was my responsibility and when our quarter master died in a accident it was my duty to give 8 bells and to this day its still the hardest thing I have had to do

  • @thejudgmentalcat
    @thejudgmentalcat Год назад +9

    Long John Silvers Restaurant had a bell you rang after your meal to covey to staff that you enjoyed it. Tbh, I don't know if any are still open

    • @MaritimeHorrors
      @MaritimeHorrors  Год назад +11

      Well, the next time we see a Long John Silvers sinking, you'll remember back to this video lol

    • @missingremote4388
      @missingremote4388 Год назад

      Flash back 50 years!

  • @kirkmorrison6131
    @kirkmorrison6131 Год назад +5

    The Bell, is the heart and soul of a ship. I thought so when I volunteered on schooners and similar vessels

  • @hadeishadeis7462
    @hadeishadeis7462 Год назад +18

    Never had to shine a bell, but being a goldsmith I know how to make one shine as good as it ever will (I'd probably be bad luck as I'd dismount it and disappear into the machineshop with it for a hour or two)
    Btw like the channel. Nice calm and clear presentation in normal English and a touch of humour.

    • @missingremote4388
      @missingremote4388 Год назад +2

      They shine them every now and then. In the US navy we use Never Dull and hand buff w/cotton rag. (The ships have three bells) one outside 14 inch dia - a second one inside in the pilot house / btidge.
      Third used inport temporarily (small one 5 to 7" ) used inport for time keeping announcing and drills, from the Quarterdeck entry.

    • @hadeishadeis7462
      @hadeishadeis7462 Год назад +1

      @@missingremote4388 Interesting. Never heard of Never Dull here, but I'm guessing it's the same as Brasso.
      I'd sand it down with progressively finer sand paper until it's almost smooth paper that I'm using. Then I'd go for an aluminium oxide pre polish grease, go on to copper oxide polish (both using a power driven polishing wheel) and then finish off by hand with a diamond powder polish. After that I'd probably have to coat it in a really pure and fine clear oil, because that kind of polish really quickly loses its most perfect shine.
      If I'd join the navy after my goldsmith school I'd probably be looking around all the time thinking 'You know... I could polish this whole ship. Nothing better to do while floating around'

  • @bluewatersnipe2227
    @bluewatersnipe2227 Год назад +5

    Hey, I’ve wrung the bell on the very quarterdeck shown at 2:50

  • @shortbushero
    @shortbushero Год назад +10

    He who rings the bell, controls the seas!

  • @somerando86
    @somerando86 Год назад +5

    In a way the superstitious reasoning is helpful in this instance; if you can't be sure of enforcement of the importance of something for practical reason, adding in that extra concern of "what if" might serve to help.

  • @skeletonwguitar4383
    @skeletonwguitar4383 Год назад +21

    My question is: How often do YOU tend to your bell on the ship youre assigned to in the Coast Guard?

    • @MaritimeHorrors
      @MaritimeHorrors  Год назад +28

      I don't any more. But I definitely did as a young seaman in the navigation division. I'm quite familiar with the smell of Never-Dull, let me tell you.

  • @InquisitorNocturne1
    @InquisitorNocturne1 Год назад +5

    this is my favorite series please keep making these!

  • @foggygray
    @foggygray Год назад +5

    Interesting video. I used to hate doing the noon bells and whistle on the ship. Just knowing if you messed it up you’d hear it from everyone on board.
    Also there were more than a few times when we’d be anchored in low visibility and had to sound the bell and gong. The electronic bell was almost always broken so some one had to go out and manually ring the bell.

  • @hallamhal
    @hallamhal Год назад +2

    Like many shipwrecks, The Edmund Fitzgerald is considered a gravesite which cannot be disturbed, any attempts being punishable as graverobbing. But in 1994 the families of those who died allowed the ship's bell to be recovered and restored, and a replica with the names of all the crew to lose their lives was put in it's place

  • @Leprechaunlock
    @Leprechaunlock Год назад +16

    Outstanding work man. Always glad to see you putting stuff out.

  • @ReeseMacalma
    @ReeseMacalma Год назад +7

    Ever thought about making a video about your own experiences at sea/while serving? Would make a really interesting topic I believe!

  • @andrewklein9882
    @andrewklein9882 9 месяцев назад +1

    Ill never forget going to the Whydah treasure museum in cape cod and seeing the bell of the ship suspended in a glass tube of sea water. It was truly awesome

  • @martinedwards4522
    @martinedwards4522 Год назад +4

    really cool info!.. thanks

  • @PaulRosencrantz
    @PaulRosencrantz Год назад +17

    Great video as always! I found your channel a few months back, and you do an awesome job of explaining key points in maritime history and lore. Best wishes from Ontario, Canada 🇨🇦

  • @cdybft9050
    @cdybft9050 Год назад +2

    As for dying at sea, I’ve several times come across a superstition I’ve never heard of.
    One was an American submarine crew member that wrote, “we were on the bottom and knew we were all going to die so we asked permission to remove our shoes and the captain granted.” I’ve read that several other places where when it seemed like death was about to happen the crew member removed his shoes of he was wearing any.

  • @danielkorladis7869
    @danielkorladis7869 Год назад +2

    I definitely knew that the ship's bell had a lot of symbolic significance but I hadn't known why until now. Thanks!

  • @jaylipinski1443
    @jaylipinski1443 Год назад +4

    I had to shine the bell as a Non-Rate, many a time, but I don't think I ever considered it a 'dis-privilege' though. I too, know the smell of Never Dull. Sort of miss that smell, actually...

  • @MarzieMalfoy
    @MarzieMalfoy Год назад +4

    I can't remember who's bell we had in the NJROTC room... but if anyone touched it, they were doomed to polish it. And if it wasn't polished for a bit, one or all of the officers and any enlisted volunteers would help polish it. At least I hope that was a real memory 😂

  • @andrewbrundin6953
    @andrewbrundin6953 Год назад +4

    One of my favorite channels on RUclips. Keep up the good work

  • @abrandenburg10
    @abrandenburg10 Год назад +2

    This is probably the least superstitious episode of this series. The bell was a very important tool to sailors of old and in some ways still is today. Cool video

  • @Maritime_History
    @Maritime_History Год назад +8

    Great work as always! Thanks for the info : )

  • @krunkalert5242
    @krunkalert5242 Год назад

    I think I understand why this series isn't getting as many views. Everyone wants a juicy ship sinking, but that's a massive oversight on those that don't click on them

  • @richardmackendrick4342
    @richardmackendrick4342 Год назад +7

    Ok, odd question, but shouldn't shining a ship's bell be seen as a high honor, captain and crew trusting the maintainer with something so important?

  • @findtherapists
    @findtherapists Год назад +2

    I sailed on a ship that kept their bell in the crew bar, anyone who rang it had to buy a round of drinks for the entire crew. The last tug I sailed with had her bell given to one of the engineers with his daughter's name engraved on the inside before the vessel was sold off. Sadly now my current tug just has an electronic bell.

  • @CaptStevo
    @CaptStevo Год назад +5

    Always happy to see a new video from you. I prefer the longer form stuff but these short ones are nice too.

  • @georgepurdy7823
    @georgepurdy7823 Год назад +2

    2:15 YO THATS WHAT THAT MEANS?! In the US Navy our boot camp graduation there is a moment “Time orderly sound X bells” I never knew what the hell they meant “Time orderly”. The more you know.

  • @Chieffino
    @Chieffino Год назад +1

    I had the pleasure of visiting the ships bell of my first ship, decommissioned now, in the town hall of the namesake.

  • @Matt_Boii
    @Matt_Boii Год назад +1

    A weird Navy tradition is also that some kids get baptized in the ships bell and the name of the kid and the date gets stamped into the bell, just had someone baptized in the bell of the destroyer I’m on.

  • @raquellofstedt9713
    @raquellofstedt9713 Год назад +2

    Ihave heard the term "eight bells" before as an ominous omen. Wasn´t aware that this was the source, though. Thanks!

  • @CPorter
    @CPorter Год назад +4

    It wouldn't suprise me at all if the ship's bells can ring underwater. Because physically it is possible but requires a lot more force since you're fighting the water and corrosion for the right of way. Also because there are storms, gales, and hurricanes that effect currents underwater along with each wave.

  • @guyk2260
    @guyk2260 Год назад +2

    Always great to see your content , appreciate it gets fitted in around life !

  • @doom87er
    @doom87er Год назад +3

    Last time I was this early, I still had bones!

  • @Senor0Droolcup
    @Senor0Droolcup Год назад +2

    Love the great use of the 2-women-and-a-cat meme! :)

  • @KiloOne
    @KiloOne Год назад +2

    Eight Bells reminds me of a good song of the same name by the Jolly Rogers. Thank you

  • @christopherlove7776
    @christopherlove7776 Год назад +1

    Please give us more content, You do a great job, Very educational and well worth watching.

  • @DarthPepe_1111
    @DarthPepe_1111 Год назад +2

    Shining brass as a non rate is a timed honored tradition

  • @skyler1962
    @skyler1962 Год назад +1

    Served in the Canadian Navy, and never heard about those superstitions before

  • @dirtboy896
    @dirtboy896 Год назад +3

    The thumbnail is glorious

  • @The_Modeling_Underdog
    @The_Modeling_Underdog Год назад +1

    Great little video, mate. Glad to see you back. Cheers.

  • @gorfpatrol2073
    @gorfpatrol2073 Год назад +2

    👍could you do a small video about the "city of Bangor" shipwreck..

  • @MrSweeper55
    @MrSweeper55 Год назад +2

    A interesting tradition from my old Unit, if you rang the bell out of time, you owe everyone who heard it a drink from the Naffi, the bar tabs got rather ludicrous

  • @spahvahnishsniffah
    @spahvahnishsniffah Год назад +1

    Good to see you uploading more now!

  • @wotanswolf9242
    @wotanswolf9242 Год назад +1

    Please do a video on captain Felix Von Luckner! The last sailing ship raider and his epic journey and fights from the north to the south seas where he sunk many but killed none. True legend!

  • @skyrimn00b98
    @skyrimn00b98 Год назад +1

    I rang 8 bells at my father's memorial. It's one of the hardest thing I've ever done.

  • @The_Sly_Potato
    @The_Sly_Potato Год назад +1

    Hey! At 2:52 that photo is that of USS Frank Cable, my ship's sister ship! I was on the Emory S Land!

  • @moneymac6457
    @moneymac6457 Год назад +1

    The cooks still shined the bell in the early 2000s

  • @HumbleDirtMerchant
    @HumbleDirtMerchant Год назад

    Sound does propagate through water better than through air. So provided the bell wasn't all crusted up and something knocked into it, it would ring louder and longer than on the surface.

  • @salemwildfire
    @salemwildfire Год назад +2

    I need a bell. And a boat. And an ocean...

  • @linlippy3358
    @linlippy3358 Год назад +2

    Love your channel!

  • @ropeburnsrussell
    @ropeburnsrussell Год назад +3

    So, what do we do with a drunken coastie?
    Asking for a friend.

    • @MaritimeHorrors
      @MaritimeHorrors  Год назад +4

      Give them an alcohol incident and Captain's Mast them. Usually it's a month restriction, a month of extra duty, and half pay for a month. Sometimes it's reduction in pay grade.

    • @ropeburnsrussell
      @ropeburnsrussell Год назад +3

      @@MaritimeHorrors I'd rather be put in a longboat till I'm sober.
      Another great video, thanks.

    • @johnopalko5223
      @johnopalko5223 Год назад +1

      @@ropeburnsrussell Better than being put in the scuppers with a hosepipe on you, I guess.

  • @MrRjh63
    @MrRjh63 Год назад +1

    I could see the underwater current ringing the bell if it was in the right position. However im not sure if it could be heard unless you were right next to it.

  • @nadrewod999
    @nadrewod999 10 месяцев назад

    Given the relative difficulty of a ship's bell getting lodged firmly into the seafloor all along its bottom rim, the likelihood that it will still be perched on SOME thing even at the bottom of the ocean, and the force that can be provided by undersea water currents, I'd say that a ship's bell likely could ring regularly underwater, but even close up, it wouldn't sound anywhere near the same until it was lifted out of the water and cleaned/repaired.

  • @TobbeLXXII
    @TobbeLXXII Год назад +4

    On Swedish ships You are absolutely not supposed to polish the ships bell. In fact it's one of the worst things a sailor can do (in terms of superstition). If you polish it you also polish the ships luck away.
    Today people aren't really that superstitious anymore and it's generally considered a fun play from more seasoned sailors to try to trick new unexperienced sailors to polish the ships bell... but don't fall for it you will be ridiculed for the rest of your career.
    The patina of a ships bell is a part of its history, let it live.
    ;-)

  • @bone_daddy7777
    @bone_daddy7777 Год назад +18

    Interesting that rule 33 makes it mandatory for a bell to be on a ship. I wonder what rule 34 is?

  • @HandyMan657
    @HandyMan657 Год назад +2

    Fair winds friend

  • @michaeltafra6679
    @michaeltafra6679 Год назад +1

    Alright, i just discovered you. I've been a sailor since 2014. I need to know where the "never leave port on a Friday" came from. I've experienced shit trips when we left on Friday (on command from the office) so I would love to see a video on the origin of this superstition.
    Also would love to hear the one I've heard and witnessed a thousand times working on the Bearing Sea is "whistling up a storm".

  • @BornRemaining
    @BornRemaining Год назад +2

    Do you have any interest in making a video about the customs of how ship's cooks have been treated through the centuries and across various cultures?

  • @flipper-b8588
    @flipper-b8588 Год назад

    You mean I just doomed the local ferry by ringing the bell? Shooot.

  • @John-Salad
    @John-Salad Год назад +2

    I love thi series, keep up the good work :)

  • @ursoul1870
    @ursoul1870 Год назад

    The bell on the old vessels was close to or directly above the flue for the galleys stove, maybe that's why the cook had clean it .

  • @superdupercooper5826
    @superdupercooper5826 Год назад +2

    My favorite channel of this type though, sadly, it posts the least.

  • @moerockha625
    @moerockha625 Год назад +1

    2 videos in a month? Davey Jones gives up the dead again.

  • @juhopuhakka2351
    @juhopuhakka2351 Год назад +1

    Back in a day when I was 1.st mate at this containership, I thought that if I listened that titanic theme song by celine dion I would end up wrecking that ship.

  • @ktswandering
    @ktswandering 7 месяцев назад

    Excellent history lesson! I am off to get a bell tattoo!

  • @joyciejd9673
    @joyciejd9673 4 месяца назад

    excellent! thanks for this history

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Год назад +1

    Very interesting!🙌

  • @Foreststrike
    @Foreststrike Год назад +1

    And that's why someone stole Concordia's fuck-off bell.

  • @historyinsideanutshell
    @historyinsideanutshell Год назад +1

    Great video; got yourself a subscriber 😊

  • @Immopimmo
    @Immopimmo Год назад +1

    Reminds me of the ship's bell that went missing from the wreck of the Costa Concordia. Was it ever found?

  • @nikiandre6998
    @nikiandre6998 Год назад

    Video about Saleem Express, please! One of the biggest disasters in modern history, and so little information.

  • @RobertCraft-re5sf
    @RobertCraft-re5sf 10 месяцев назад +1

    someone stole the friggin bell from the Costa Concordia... I learned that from Internet Historians docu about it.

  • @momokawashima9464
    @momokawashima9464 Год назад +1

    Heya Maritime, for your next April fools vid, would you do one on the fall (and destruction) of High Charity? I saw your April Fools one on the Autumn, why not do one for the Covenant holy city? After all, she is technically the largest ship in the covenant fleet.

  • @shellbackbeau7021
    @shellbackbeau7021 22 дня назад

    2:18 oh no shipmate, ringing the bell is not electronically done on us navy warships, we still do it by hand. Cookie does still shine it on the ships I served aboard.

    • @shellbackbeau7021
      @shellbackbeau7021 22 дня назад

      We do ring it over the 1mc, but that's different from using a recording on a computer

  • @UglyStikSimp
    @UglyStikSimp Год назад +3

    Dank Nautical Memes

  • @skeletonwguitar4383
    @skeletonwguitar4383 Год назад +4

    1 MINUTE GANNGGG, HERE I AM, WHERES THE RUM

    • @L.J.Kommer
      @L.J.Kommer Год назад +2

      3 MINUTE GAAANG. WHERE'S THE GROG?

  • @TonyHobbs
    @TonyHobbs Год назад +1

    I was the 1000th like 👍 👌 good work as always getting you off the Nelson

  • @rogerrendzak8055
    @rogerrendzak8055 Год назад +1

    As the Irish would say; MALARKEY🧙!!! All I know, 8 bells means, it's 8, o'clock🙄.

  • @carlambroson8872
    @carlambroson8872 9 месяцев назад +1

    A ships bell is its identity, or even its spirit or soul!

  • @stevenbaker8184
    @stevenbaker8184 Год назад

    No mention of how they felt about old bell buoys. Which are less common today but before other types of buoys were prevalent they warned of dangerous shoals.

    • @findtherapists
      @findtherapists Год назад +1

      The first bouy on the channel into the docks I work out of is still referred to as the bell bouy.

  • @oneshotme
    @oneshotme Год назад +1

    I'll ring to that!!

  • @EldritchFyre
    @EldritchFyre Год назад +1

    A bell can and will sound underwater, as long as there is enough tidal or wave motion to move it or it;s clapper together hard enough... and like a boat's engine and other sounds, the tolling will carry quite a way underwater. Will a ship's bell toll in deep water? Much less likely, as the water motion is much less there than in shallow areas like shoals.

  • @RooMan93
    @RooMan93 Год назад +2

    The Costa Concordia bell was stolen and never found

  • @thevillageblacksmith8550
    @thevillageblacksmith8550 Год назад +1

    I've heard of this.

  • @Sapper21b10
    @Sapper21b10 10 месяцев назад

    Shining the ships bell. So that's what it's called now eh?

  • @BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly
    @BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly Год назад +1

    Rule 33...sooo...sooo close.🤣

  • @CaptinPelley
    @CaptinPelley Год назад

    I can't escape the COLREGS they follow me everywhere lmao. 100 multiple choice exam on them this Thursday :D

  • @user-dg9pu4pe9d
    @user-dg9pu4pe9d Год назад

    Ship suggestion: The Kamchatka

  • @Paigeofmaces
    @Paigeofmaces Год назад

    Is the ships bell also related to the phrase "knocked seven bells out of them?" like they've been brought almost to the 8th bell and the end?

  • @Tatjana-_-
    @Tatjana-_- Год назад +2

    Ding dong new video is here