I had a graduation photoshoot yesterday, I used the XH2... Back on my laptop, I had to zoom in on each photo to check if the eyes are sharp enough! This is really unreliable and so tiring when you work with over a thousand photos. Fuji, we need a reliable AF so we can stop thinking if it's in focus or not!
I can confirm that the AF is lacking for video, especially when there is a lot of movement or quick and repeated focus shifts from fore- to background. However, I noticed that for stills there is a big difference depending on what lens you are using. I feel that the XF70-300 and XF33 1.4 with their newer linear motors are extremely reliable at focusing. I had a situation a few weeks ago where my X-H2 AF easily outperformed my colleague's Z8 when shooting hummingbird hawk-moths, which are not that easy to capture. The AF was spot on! Same for most portrait situations.
@@johntango9240 Can‘t tell for the 40-150, but in terms of autofocus I had much better results with the 16-55 when it was paired with my old X-T4. Fujifilm definitely needs to address this issue. I can only speak for the XF33, where AF works beautifully with the X-H2.
I shoot both Fuji and Sony. However, it's 2024 and if you can't get decent autofocus then you're failing your customers. Nikon figured it out so I don't think we should give Fuji a pass. Thank you for saying what needs to be said about the Fuji autofocusing issues.
It's so wierd. I love my Fujifilm camera but HOW is their autofocus so bad compared to everyone else? Their sensor and processor should allow for it easily. I just want them have smooth reliable autofocus that sticks to the subject like everyone else (Panasonic and Nikon finally figured it out) ...and maybe fix the stepping issues when shooting video.
What annoys me the most is not even the piss poor AF performance of the Fuji but the fact that they intentionally limit the stock to keep the demand up artificially and use that as a reason to hike up the prices of the new bodies. In my region, the A6700 is almost 20% cheaper with the kit lens.
@@SapphicCode that’s what they do in the fishing lures market. They make a small batch, hike prices and release more several months later. It’s a thing.
@@SapphicCode You will be surprised how cunning Japanese could be. I worked with Japnese firms in the past for 2 years and I do not think they are "pure" and "sincere". You can do a google search on how Japanese car companies like Toyota and others companies have falsified their vehicle safety data. Don't get me wrong. I love Japnese culture still and go to Japan for travel over 12 times already but they do have flaws....like we all do.
I just sold my Xh2-s. Don't get me wrong it is a very powerful machine if the autofocus works. I am not a professional film maker for shooting Hollywood movies. So I use autofocus. I ended up buying a Sony A6700 as my B cam and it works so much better . Like C'mon XH2s is like double the price but still having problems
I used the Fujifilm X-T5 for shooting images and the Sony ZV-E1 for shooting videos. I made a good decision by not updating the last two firmware versions of the Fujifilm. So, basically, the autofocus of the X-T5 is still good enough.
True. I could not agree more with this. I have also watched several videos comparing a6700 and X-T5, but this one by far made me to 80% decided to take the Sony a6700. I am really thorned between Sony a6700 because of its reliable AF and on the other hand, Fujifilm X-T5's great color production straight out of the box. But with Sony a6700, you can do post-color production just like the eye-catching colors of Fujifilm X-T5, right?
I was waiting for the A6700 when the Xs20 came out. I bought the XS20 and didn't like, sent it back and placed the pre-order for the A6700. The A6700 immediately felt and preformed better, especially in AF.
@@HVRIS yup this was me after the reala ace update. After that fujifilm marketing dude went on stream saying the af issue would be fixed with this update. And nothing was fixed it was still shit, and I lost trust in them.
@@Iamtongue I thought it was just me I usually have tons of keepers. My last trip after the Reala update I ended up with almost every shot blurred. User error on my part but I usually have way more than 5 keepers out of 1000.
Great comparison. I don’t have the XT5 but I have the XH2 and see comparable results when compared to my Sony bodies. My take on Fujifilm autofocus is a little different. I see the X line as a great walk around and portrait line of cameras and not a sports shooting brand. So the autofocus tracking ability for fast paced movements doesn’t bother me. I shoot a bunch of brands and I know if I want to shoot action, I’ll grab one of the brands that are designed for those scenarios. I don’t think anyone is going to the Olympics with a Fujifilm body 🤷🏽♂️. What Fujifilm lacks in autofocus they make up in almost every other category, and that’s from a Sony and Nikon first shooter.
@@visionz_n_media bro even when the subject is static the eye tracking on my xt5 aims for the chest/shirt area 🥲🤣 my take is this.. if you’re spending all this money you should want all the features that they advertise to work. How you choose to use it is up to the photographer. Otherwise you’re wasting your money having faulty cameras. You’re also on a league of your own too, not many people are fortunate enough to shoot with multiple camera systems.. that’s why I keep harping on the fact people should spend their hard earned money on something that works and that is reliable.
@@Iamtongue I understand your perspective 100%. For those that are new to photography or do not have the budget to operate with multiple brands, it’s best to get what will check most if not all the boxes for your needs. I see Fujifilm as a more premium tool with a focused purpose. Example: People buy Hassleblad for its image quality and history and not its autofocus capabilities, portability, or menus. My point is to know what your intention and the purpose of the tool is before grabbing it. I see your work all the time and you can create amazing images on any brand. That comes with knowing the art form and understanding the basics that applies to all brands. Too many “new” photographers expect the cameras to do all the work 🤷🏽♂️. I used to go on nature walks in my hometown and even though my Nikon and Canon cameras had superior autofocus, my gear choice was frowned upon, by Leica and Fujifilm shooters. Not because of their cost but because of the process. I could shoot and move on and never appreciate the purpose of that community, my settings or the environment.
@@kristiangurholt59 Basically because i needed to rely on the camera when it came to moving subject and tracking. For stills photography, landscapes etc, the fuji is great. But it was always hit and miss when it came to AF-C content. I made the plunge and i dont regreat the a6700 at all, and i can get the same look for pics and videos in post. Plus i like the feel of the camera, sleaker, nice grip and lighter for event photography
@@tm_vis-rc I see. I’ve a a6100 and it’s great but it just feels like a tool and it’s hard to love it because of that. I really like the look of Fuji, but I haven’t owned one, I just assumed they’d caught up with AF by now but guess not.
Could you please explain your settings with the Fuji? Energy? EyeAF? Single Field, Zone or wide? AF-C releaseprio or focusprio? AF+MF On or Off? AF-C Settings? Thanks a lot!
I recently switched from a Fuji X-T3 to the Sony A7iv. Granted, the Fuji was older technology, but shooting with the A7iv has been a revelation. The autofocus is so much better, and the responsiveness of the camera is nearly instantaneous. The Sigma and Sony lenses I got are lightweight and have aperture rings, so the shooting experience is similar (I don’t shoot with zooms). I really like the Fuji system, and the images from my X-T3 were fine, but without reliable autofocus there’s no upgrade path. Unfortunately, Fuji is becoming the Leica M of APSC.
@@specter116 I honestly can't say because I didn't do any research at this point. All I know is that most people I know use these brands and the few occasions I was able to test out Sony (A7iii), I did not like the overall handling and user experience at all.
¿Por qué no los dos? I’ve got the XT-5 that I use for stills, mainly portraits, and landscapes, and the A7iv for birds and wildlife and I’m happy! But I learn something from every video here, so thanks for the excellent content!
I have always been a Sony shooter but Fujifilm has always caught my eye. But it’s like what you said about Kawhi. It could have a cool look but if it’s not nailing focus that’s a hard no for me. Very expensive cameras to not have great autofocus
Hi @Iamtongue.. which one to buy sx20 or sony a6700. I am getting a6700 with 18-135 for 1460GBP and sx20 with 16-50 for 1450GBP.. i am a beginner. Can you please suggest??
What about the X-S20 instead of the XT5 vs. a6700? Since is dropping their prices further and further, even the X-S20 is now more expensive than the a6700 (in Germany at least). Any thoughts on the X-S20?
I think Sony has improved their colour science a lot. I think the Sony leans into a more neutral look, which is good. With the reliable AF and massive lens choices, the Sony is a good option. I'm migrating from Fuji to Nikon. The Nikon ZF has excellent MF tracking assists which sold me. The ZF + Voigtlander lenses sound like a dream and it makes my vintage lenses more appealing for street photography use. As for my professional video needs, I'm going back to exclusively using my bmpcc 4k and selling my XH2S. There's something special about the image it produces as well as BRAW being a dream to grade. The specs of the XH2S are insane, but there's more to the picture than just specs.
I shot with the a6000 & a6500 and I liked it. They were very "clinical". I've loved every Fujifilm camera I've had. Sony has an advantage on the af (continuous af tracking). Other than that give me Fujifilm 24/7. Fujifilm is pure joy to shoot with. And you're right about Kawhi. Big waste of MONEY superstar ever after Toronto.
What is your oppinion on the single card slot? I had a card failure alredy and I lost everything I had on it. The Sony a6700 would be a perfect backup to the a7iv when i need it and also a good travel companion but I'm just too scared of that single card slot. Regarding the Fuji system, I also tried a Fuji XT4, since the specs meet my requirements for that backup camera, but the files just look soft, even with the Viltrox pro lenses (those lenses defeat the purpose of the system for me but I wanted to give it a chance, but I know now that the lenses I had was not at fault). I had an a7iii so I can confidently say the Fuji is noticeably softer. I downloaded XT5 files shot with the new 56mm Fuji lens and those were softer then my a7iv files as well. My fiance noticed this as well and she doesn't know much about cameras.
I’ve used it a couple of gigs, and I thought it was fine. My problem was losing moments when im taking the time to switch out from a full sd card. But like you said, it would be a good backup and if you use it as such single card slot should be fine.
Does X-S20 have better autofocus than X-T5 since they both have the same high-end processor but X-S20 has last gen sensor (less megapixels & data to process)?
Its the same AF on both, sensor doesnt make any difference. for example xh2s stacked sensor vs xs20 old sensor , same af performance. I mean same af non-performance
You're right I should buy a c cheap feeling hunk of plastic with a spam dial to shoot in a non-tactile way 1/10th as often, because a mode I never wish to use doesn't function?
Great video as always! Fuji can’t fix their autofocus tracking and Sony can’t fix their colors for near ten years 😅 Joking aside I really love both companies and appreciate what they bring to the table in camera world. One is most inspiring photo gear for every type of photographer from beginners, enthusiast to the prosumer and professionals, and other brand is producing probably the most capable machines for nailing photos in every scenario… For photography Fuji AF Tracking X-T5 was okay straight out of box, not the best but decent…after firmwares it does not feel so reliable as it was… Single AF works perfect in every firmware for now, just as it was from day one for photography…
12:40 About the sharpness you mentioned.. I’ve been pixel-peeping the RAW files from my a6100, and it also looked “too sharp” to me with no post-sharpening (with a sharp sigma 56mm 1.4). It occurred to me at the time that Sony might be secretly adding sharpness. There is indeed an in-camera setting to reduce sharpness below 0. At -3 (minimum value), the photos looked “correct” when pixel-peeping. This could mean, that -3 is actually 0, and 0 is actually +3. With how much trickery companies use to get ahead of competitors, it wouldn’t surprise me. Sometimes people may feel that a lens is “too sharp”. This is not the case, unless softness is the desired style. The sharpest lens imaginable would only be as sharp as nothingness (where there is nothing that breaks the light), so any sharpness that looks unnatural must come from in-camera or in post.
Yeah man, that's the comparison I wanted - savage though it is. I'm loaded up with lots of the recent Fuji glass, which is all lovely, and I can't say my X-T5 comes up short doing what I do, but if anything is going to make the company sit up and listen it's those bin fire stats. Good job 👌
I bought the Sony A7 III in 2019, but I love film simulations, so I also purchased the Fujifilm X-T30 and the XF 23mm F2 lens. I found that even though the XF 23mm is one of the fastest lenses in the Fujinon lineup, the hit rate with the X-T30 is much lower than the A7 III. I hoped Fujifilm would improve their autofocus in the X-T4, X-T5, and even the X-H2. This year, I bought the X-T5 and sold my X-T30 II (I had sold my original X-T30 three years ago). However, the X-T5 showed very little improvement. Now, I 'm like, “Okay, Fujifilm is for fun and for their film simulations. I’m okay with this because I don’t do photography for a living. But when it comes to shooting sports, birds, or even street photography, I definitely go with my A7 III and all my Sony/Tamron lenses.
I totally agree with you. On point! Non Pro here. Got the a6400 and a6700. Had all the fancy lenses from sony and Viltrox 1.2. But it killed my fun with photograpy. My iPhone 15 pro is all I need for Video. And often everyday fotos. Always with me and the Kids. Sold it all since my 12 Jear old son pointet out, the more lenses I have gathered, the less I was shooting. Expensive and heavy to throw around… Got a XT3 with the 18mm f1.4 LM WR for photos and the 16-80 f4 OIS WR for stills and a bit video. And got a lot cash left over. The photos are goegeous. The control and fun in shooting is back for me. Like in the days with my Nikon FE2 and D90. If I had not to worry about money, I would take the a6700 with the 16-85 2.8 for video and sports/children every day. And the XT3 for stills.
I don't think it is Sony or Fuji. You just carried too many lens with those Sony camera. I do not know why anyone would have fun shooting with bad AF system coming home to find out half of the photos not in focus. I, for one, not a big fan of that and it discourages me to bring it out for shooting. I like Fuji color but I had to sell my XT1 years ago because I did not bring it out much as it was hard to use (I found that I missed focus a lot obviously). Nowadays I bring my camera out every time on a trip and have fun shooting not caring much if the subject is going to be in focus because they always do 99% of the time and I can focus more on the composition, lightning and etc rather than the camera system flaws with my A6700. If I want to go light, I bring Sigma 18-50mm + 56mm combo. If I want the best quality possible, I bring Viltrox 27mm + 75mm.
At the end of the day it is about the process of creating pictures to get the few images that make you go wow. Nobody ever care about the 10.000 shots per year on our harddrives. With Fuji you have to fight AF, with Sony the color. You always have to work around the flaws of your tools. The AF performance of my XT3 depends heavily on the lenses. The 33 1.4 LM and 18 1.4 LM are quick and reliable even vor people. Sony is leading AF for sure.
Great video. I can't tell if the soft Fuji photos show up randomly, or if it occurs at a certain distance (i.e. as the subject gets closer to the camera). Can you comment on that? To be fair, "acceptably sharp" is a real thing - depends on what you are doing. But I can agree that "tack sharp" is and should be the goal, every time. ESPECIALLY because you tried the exact same lens on both cameras, the results on the Fuji are just embarrassing and sad. I guess with Sony you get more hits, saving time. But then you lose time editing the gross colors and over-sharpening (yep, I think Sony is too sharp at times). With Fuji, you have to overshoot, so the time saved on editing is lost culling. At the end of the day I wouldn't choose the 6700 - I just do not like the layout, the poor displays, single card slot, and so on. Still waiting for a good FF option in the $2-$3k range, otherwise I'm saving up for a Z8 or R5ii or sticking with the mighty XT3. I will be OK with Fuji jacking prices when they add the processing power the cameras seem to badly need. All the fastest FF cameras are use dedicated chips to image / AF processing. But IDK.
I’m still struggling with my packing of my camera bag. Every day I keep changing lol. I take out the XH2S and then put in the A7R3 and then switch back and then back again lol. I just know I’m going to take both in the end and break my back lol.
Damn those Fuji colors. I switched to Canon R8 but for my holiday this year I still brought my Fuji X-E4. I like images from Fuji more although Canon has really good color science in my opinion. I also brought X-E4 with me way more due to the size and fun factor. I only use zone focusing with Fuji but even then it can miss focus crucial moment with my kids. My wife doesn't know a thing about photography yet she almost always picks Fuji images when I show her comparisons between Fuji and Canon. I also tested A7C II and their color science is better but still not there. In video I can't get them to work for me while Fuji SOOC is almost perfect. Very good and honest review from your side.
Have you looked into Panasonic color science? It's amazing seeing how similar yet different these companies' photos look. I'm looking at getting my first camera and considering a s5iix
@@goawaybaizuo Actually I did. I really like Panasonic and Nikon color science but Nikon has to big bodies and lenses. I am going to add Panasonic S9 to my arsenal to adapt full frame manual lenses but this time I won't sell my Fuji kit. I just find they give specific look that no other company can recreate or it's hard to recreate. Probably mix of X-trans sensor, lenses gives those pleasing tones, highlight transitions that are softer. Generally image is more film like. I also find that it's hard to recreate full frame look on Fuji bodies.
@@MrRafalEn I was looking at the fuji xh-s first. However, I was shocked by the features/cost of the Lumix and their lenses seem like fantastic values. Fuji color science is my favorite (at least what I've seen online), but the AF scares me.
I know you're mainly a fuji channel. However, I would LOVE to see a review or hear your thoughts of the a6700 vs. s5ii vs. X-t5. I have narrowed down my search and price point to these 3 cameras as they're all a similar price. However, the L mount lenses seem like a much better value. Thanks!
Excellent review, Tung. Our new Fuji term is “kinda sharp” vs tack sharp. Great music in this video too. I use single point focus “a lot” so I do not notice the focus issues as much. I do notice the Fuji colors! I’ll need to try a Sony as the last Sony I had was an old fixed lens Cybershot.
Very good comparison! I shoot with the XT5 and yes, I have "false positives" sometimes on moving subjects. But I'm a humble amateur, and if I lose a shot now and then, well, the world keeps on turning anyway... And, the Fuji output is gorgeous. The JPEG's are a lot nicer, I think, than the Sony's, as your video shows. As you point out, Fuji's RAW files are fantastic; they are very easy to edit. Also, I like the handling of the Fuji XT series; no need to dive into menu's to get perfect lighting. So, nothing is perfect and if I would switch (it would be Nikon then, no doubt), I'm pretty sure I would like the AF better - but I would miss other things that I like in the Fuji system. That said, my son is pro shooter and, in particular, videographer and he cannot afford to miss focus at all, so he is in the process of switching from Fuji XH2 to, probably, Panasonic S5IIx. Which I really understand. So it really depends what you need - and want.
Yes it’s dependent on your needs and want. But as a reviewer and I can’t reccomend Fuji products anymore because this is just way below average (AF) but if people are aware of this quirk it’s fine.
As much as I wish the Fuji XT5 had just like 10 percent better auto focusing, it just feels right to me when I shoot with the Fuji over my canon gear. The Fuji makes me want to pick the camera up and use it even with its faults. I just hope from you and the other RUclipsrs bringing the faults in the autofocus to more people’s attention, they will work to remedy it. (I also enjoy shooting landscape the most so the autofocus isn’t a MASSIVE issue for me. But it is frustrating when I do use it to shoot friends and family and come back with misses that had the green box on peoples faces lmao)
Fujifilm's anti-focus is best in the APS-C category. No other brand comes close. On a serious note, I do wish they would improve on it. I switched to Nikon ZF, and the build quality and AF are on a higher-quality tier than the XT-5. I sometimes miss the megapixel count, but the ZF brings me the same joy of shooting like the XT-3 used to do for me.
interesting video! It's a shame how Fuji messed up the AF with the firmware. Personally, I'm still on version 2 on my X-T5, so it works great. I use face and eye AF with AF-C all the time and would say my hit rate is around 90% for my street photography. My commercial work is slow-paced, so I have no issues there. However, when Fuji updated one of my cameras, I noticed more issues and ended up selling that camera. I'm also using the X-S20 with the newest firmware, and it's not reliable. I noticed worse performance on the street and strange things going on in video AF. I used the A7S III and A7 IV professionally at the agency where I worked before, and I kind of miss Sony for my film work. Though nowadays I mostly do stills and would still stick with Fuji for that, as you say, it saves a lot of time in editing. But it seems like I shouldn't update the firmware! However, the thought of getting something else for video is on my mind at the moment. Considering how much criticism Fuji is getting right now, and that even the most fundamental fanboys are starting to acknowledge the issues, we might get it fixed soon. Basically, what they have to do is go back to firmware version 1 with the AF and throw everything else in the trash!
My X-T5 has now spent more time with Fuji repair center than in my hands. Now back a second time for the same problem. I'm thinking of switching to the A6700 or maybe back to the X-S20. The lenses that I already have hold me back -- along with not having a camera (in hand) to trade or sell. Sigh.
XT5 much better overall except the AF when in continous AF mode… I love my Fuji, Sony not even close.. color science is one of the best.. AF Can hopefully be fixed with software update..
Have to say you are right - even if my personal mis/hit rate is about 50:50. that’s not good - but as you say every ooc footage of the Fuji looks better than the Sony (not considering kinda sharpness). If I have to post photos fast, most of the time the overall look of the Fuji is so much better than the Sony, even the slight out of focus does not matter (my personal trade off). No excuse - the focus ist really bad…
Your settings are wrong! Not comparable! 😅 Nice comparison, more seriously ahah Yeah the false positive/ almost sharp in Fuji is definitely true. Reliability is definitely the name of the game! Cheers
Great video man, it's sad that Fujifilm has screwed up so bad their AF. I won't leave Fuji, as a hobbyist I just love the experience of my X-T5, but I can relate to what happened to you on the gym, just on the opposite side. I traveled to Japan with a friend. In Kyoto we visited Fushimi Inari Shrine, which was stuffed with tourists. We only had limited time to get some shots within the row of Torii gates. I bought a X-T2 in Japan (poetic, iykyk), and now I have experience shooting Fuji. I took an amazing Pic of my friend within the Toriis, discounting the missed shots. I taught my friend how to use the camera, and sadly all the shots he took of me were focusing on what was on my back except for one where I am in a very dark spot. What is depressing is that I know that it wouldn't have metered if I got my X-T5, I am 90% convinced that the result would have been pretty much the same. The X-T2 is still a very capable camera, but Fuji keeps dropping the ball with their AF. It pays off that their color science and in camera raw conversion tools are unbeatable as a combo.
I am shocked that you said the images from X-T5 are not as sharp as the A6700. On DPreview website they have standard test images for all cameras. Looking at the X-H2+56mm R lens vs the A7IV+85mm GMaster combination, you can read more of the text (near the middle of the test chart) with the Fuji X-H2. (The A6700 should be strictly inferior to the A7IV.)
@@Iamtongue yes I am disappointed how bad the Fuji is doing in real life vs Sony which in the controlled lab setting the X-T5 + 56mm R is superior vs the A7IV +85mm GMaster. I guess probably due to the X-T5 either not getting critical focus, or perhaps motion blur due to extreme pixel density, or may be the lens you had on the X-T5.
I would love to defend my beloved Fuji, but the autofocusproblem woth face-af is sadly a problem.. Because of the sharpness, lightroom fuckes it up still. Put it in capture-one or iridient-x and it will be sharper...
heyy man, great and very informative video, was kinda hoping you'd do another similar video but focusing on the sony a6400 and fujifilm xt3. with love, from Zimbabwe!
i just got the a6700 and the la 5 adaptor to use old lenses. Im coming from a lumix s5iix and a bunch of L glass. For pictures I bought some viltrox 1.4 and 1.2 for the sony man do i dig the autofocus and just alot about this little sony. Just amazing. I have the same problem with slightly out of focus shots on my lumix. Its just not worth it imo. Even the fuji with 40 mega pixel , I like to catch birds and fast moving things in general in the moment while im out, sure in the studio I can manual focus all night. If a picture is not in focus I dont care what colors or how many mega pixels its like climbing up hill while trying to do something creative. ty a6700 and the viltrox lenses. Sony please release a 45 megapixel apsc. Im sticking with sony for now. good review and thanks for the honesty. I am tempted to pick up a xt5 second hand but afraid when i pixel peep i will start to see all the out of focus shots and i die a little inside when i peep and see that. ouch. Im so glad you said all the color science and ect dont mean S%^$ if its fuzzy focus. Come on sony next apsc maybe we get 45 mp. who knows. great review cheers
18:00-18-15 Soooooo true! I personally don't have issues with the AF and I'm definitely not the only one. For that I'm grateful. The X-T5 is just a pleasure to use. Like he says, the photos have soul. These Fuji haters make me laugh with their comments such as "moving to Sony was the smart choice" 🤣 .
Real good presentation. As an owner of the fuji xt3 and the Sony 6300, I have used both in various environments and I am convinced Sony has the edge. Further, Sony makes a lighter camera with easier menus. I have had my eye on the 6700, but videos like this have made it so popular, that the price has spiked! Please Stop! LOL
I been seriously considering getting the A6700. I own the H2 and LOVE it but I agree with you on the autofocus. I also own the A7IV so I know how good the focus is. I wish the A6700 had a joystick, better EVF and better rear screen. If it matched the X-T5 or H2 specs I would have jumped on it a LONG time ago. Another reason I haven't jumped ship yet is because I use the 10-24mm a bunch. I love how small and compact it is for its focal length. Sony doesn't have an equivalent lens so that's another reason I haven't jumped to the A6700. But might just bite the bullet and do it anyways.
I dont stick to single brand. I have the fuji xt2 , canon 5d2 , nikon d800 & sony a1. For this comparison i get the a6700 over xt5 , just because it cost $750 cheaper in my region , fujifilm needs to lower their price.
I sold my X-H2S and got a Canon R6MII. Sold my latest XF lenses and got the cheap RF lenses. No regrets, the AF on the Canon is a cheat code, high ISO is really good, and the image quality is excellent. And the bonus is both the cheap RF 100-400 and the RF 24-105 f4 are parfocal. Is every RF zoom lens parfocal? If so, this really makes Fuji software developers look like hacks.
Have no problem with Fujifilm AF altough using tracking but no eye detection (non camera is reliable for shooting basketball). Would choose Fujifilm over Sony (shot Sony too) due to the optics quality which is far better on Fujifilm then Sony has to offer in same range.
I'm using the h2s for video but I shot manual lenses only. Fuji's more like an entry level cinema camera than a hybrid mirrorless at this point: no AF, but very good codec, formats, colors and price. Video RAW doesn't make sense in a mirrorless anyway... if a project you're in asks for RAW, it shouldn't beeing shot on a mirrorless.
i heard that the AF was better before FW 4.0. Would be interesting to make this comparison again with the older FW on the FUjifilm. could be surprising
The build quality on newer Fuji gear is trash also. I remember people saying the old Fuji’s were generational cameras. I held onto my XT2 for 8 years and it still was in great condition. Now I feel like Fuji is just spitting out cameras to those who want to upgrade every cycle. Except you can’t because they keeping production low and have artificial scarcity. Anyway lol, thanks for the vid!
I own Sony A7IV with 2 Tamron lenses. Tamron being owned by Sony might be relevant. I agree that a misfocus is a misfocus though and on the hit rate count. But I would have liked to know Fuji lens hit count vs Sony lens hit count, native lens might make more difference on Fuji (or might not) but it's an avoidable weak point in the test.
I’ve done this test with native glass and people tell me that I should get a glass that’s for both mounts to make it fair to truly test out their af system. Why is it that Sony gets 96% hit rate on a third party lens and Fuji gets 25% they are the same lenses, with same motors. Fujis af system is trash. And the more people open their eyes and admit that there’s a problem. The faster fujifilm the company will fix it. But if the fanboys are all stuck in la la land and tell Fuji there’s nothing wrong ,they will get complacent and fuck with the cameras we truly love and I think we are witnessing it in real time right now.
@@Iamtongue but if someone wants to dispute the results they can (and will) blame it on the third party lens. I wanted to use this video to show people that say Fuji AF is good but I know already how they will answer 🤣
As a hobbyist, I'm still sticking with the Fuji for now, just because of the colour science. A sharp Fuji image will have much better, more satisfying colours than Sony without any editing, this is what inspires me to take pictures. However, I think we do need Fuji to fix their AF because it's the only thing stopping more ppl from using their cameras professionally
I'm on an Alaskan cruise shooting with the XH2s and XT5 and I've come to the same conclusion. I shot 3000+ photos in very challenging conditions - small boat rocking, rain, darkness, small target (sea otters) and using zone focus. I can't help but think I'd have a better "hit" rate of useful photos with my Sony. Fuji needs to realize they are killing their brand with denial. I'm thinking about selling off my Fuji's until they start to improve in a major way.
The photos and videos coming out of the Sony look glossy; this gives them a high-quality look. I don't know whether Fuji's photos look less glossy because Fuji adds a little bit of grain to the photos to make them look film-like or because it's a Sony thing. Try to include a third camera from a different brand like an APS-C Canon in the test to know if the sharpness is a Sony thing or due to Fuji's added gain. I think you haven't tested/ reviewed any Canon cameras yet.
Its only fuji who handles noise like iso, the rest is same as sony since well , sony doesnt really "modify" their sensor to be different. Sonys are almost always procidinf the most accurate result , which doesnt mean its good , because we human prefer things to be hyper real in a way
fuji's gone in my world canon r6mkii in, I like things on the fuji better in some ways but for most part I wont be looking back and wont touch the brand again. I dont like being treated as a bata tester (more like alpha but that seemed a bit meen) it happens in the gaming space and nothing boils my p!ss more. actually sort the problem and quickly not a month or 3 down the line. colour science or not its not worth it, the fuji will loss me/you money at some point as you/we miss images.
@@JJARCHIE you have a point but I think fuji made apsc more premium than any other manufacturer, wide lens selection at a better price makes it an overall a good deal . XS20 is also a capable camera in the same price category.
@@ZeitouniJad that is fair , but at xh2s' price point you go up against the z6iii , a7iv , r6ii and s5ii. The zf also offers better af WITH the fuji look , dual slot aswell
I feel that a person choosing a camera needs to have a priority list. For example, do you just want to have fun shooting choose = choose Fuji, but if you want you images to be in focus LOL = choose the Sony. IMO, I want great sharp pictures because I don't want to miss the moment, Sony all day!
I own the Fuji XH2s. The first time I used it- immediate rush of happiness. Finally the AF was good. The colors are just oh so beautiful. Then came those dreaded software updates. Ruining the shooting experience one update at a time. The sad part is that a stacked super fast hardware system like the XH2s can be a monster with a good AF system. The Firmware 1.0 was a great example. I just want Fuji to wake up before it's too late. Ps. with the 16-55 LM or the 18-120 the AF is decent. Any other lens- it just falls apart.
@@Iamtongue The OP is moaning about software updates. The point is that he should not have updated the camera if he was happy with it. Now the shooting experience is "ruined".
oh man. This is sad. a few months ago, i sold my 2 xh2 cameras and 5 Fuji lenses and got a pair of canon r6ii. The Xh2 was great, the photos when it nails it are amazing but it was just so often that it misses a possible banger. I kept some of my fuji x lenses cause I still love the system and I still have an xt3. The xt3 has a slow AF but at least it was more reliable/accurate with the green box. I have 2 xt3 cameras for when I miss shooting fuji and the canon is sometimes just too big. The Xt3 hasn't let me down, yes it's slower but it has amazing colours and I just love the whole feel of them
@@Iamtongue 😲 A lot of people are trying Nikon now. Seems like that even with some small shortcomings the Nikon route it's the best for the price. A some kind of middle ground, very good AF but not at best level, Nikon allow some third party lenses but ban the zooms from Sigma, very good ergonomics but still not at Canon levels, etc
So, I switched from Canon to Fuji around 2016. The last Fuji camera I bought was my X-T3 and it's been my workhorse. Not a fan of Sony because their colors are trash. As for AF and Fuji, I've found the lenses make the biggest difference. Never had a problem with the f2 lenses. But some (I'm looking at you pre-2021 35mm f/1.4) are just horrendous. Oddly, Sigma lenses work really well with Fuji, at least in my experience. I'm finally upgrading, though. Waiting for my X-S20 to arrive.
Don't know what Fujifilm is doing... But at release with the stock 1.xx firmware the X-T5, X-H2(s) were good on the AF aspect, not perfect but good and close to others but not yet there! Now it's like playing roulette... At times it's ok/good the next time not even usable on AF-C and moving subjets. But it's been like that for generations, had the same issue on the X-T3 and X-T4 the focus square was spot on the eye (even on AF-S) but the focus was still off, sometimes way off. So if you wan't speedy AF and reliable AF go with Sony.
I had a graduation photoshoot yesterday, I used the XH2... Back on my laptop, I had to zoom in on each photo to check if the eyes are sharp enough! This is really unreliable and so tiring when you work with over a thousand photos. Fuji, we need a reliable AF so we can stop thinking if it's in focus or not!
Haha you need to be careful before the fanboys shouts “user error!” on top of their lungs 😅
I can confirm that the AF is lacking for video, especially when there is a lot of movement or quick and repeated focus shifts from fore- to background. However, I noticed that for stills there is a big difference depending on what lens you are using. I feel that the XF70-300 and XF33 1.4 with their newer linear motors are extremely reliable at focusing. I had a situation a few weeks ago where my X-H2 AF easily outperformed my colleague's Z8 when shooting hummingbird hawk-moths, which are not that easy to capture. The AF was spot on! Same for most portrait situations.
@@lichtungsweiser I was shooting stills with the 16-55mm 2.8 & 50-140mm 2.8... Am I expected to change these lenses to have a better sharp focus? 😅
@@johntango9240 You suck at taking photos that's all. lol
@@johntango9240 Can‘t tell for the 40-150, but in terms of autofocus I had much better results with the 16-55 when it was paired with my old X-T4. Fujifilm definitely needs to address this issue. I can only speak for the XF33, where AF works beautifully with the X-H2.
I shoot both Fuji and Sony. However, it's 2024 and if you can't get decent autofocus then you're failing your customers. Nikon figured it out so I don't think we should give Fuji a pass. Thank you for saying what needs to be said about the Fuji autofocusing issues.
Quite literally everyone figured it out , even ironically the pana dfd system is more accurate in stills
It's so wierd. I love my Fujifilm camera but HOW is their autofocus so bad compared to everyone else? Their sensor and processor should allow for it easily. I just want them have smooth reliable autofocus that sticks to the subject like everyone else (Panasonic and Nikon finally figured it out) ...and maybe fix the stepping issues when shooting video.
I don't know if I should be happy or sad that my X-T3 somehow has better AF than Fuji's latest and greatest
Fuji has the best tree autofocus. i always get at least 1 tack sharp tree in the background in eye AF/AF-C
@@kuroexmachina LOL 😂
Tree AF 😂
more like scenery detection, it blurs annoying people who are passing by
Agree, sometimes its crazy the way the background is in focus and people in foreground are out of focus
Fuji saw the blurry photo trend and made it a feature 😂
What annoys me the most is not even the piss poor AF performance of the Fuji but the fact that they intentionally limit the stock to keep the demand up artificially and use that as a reason to hike up the prices of the new bodies. In my region, the A6700 is almost 20% cheaper with the kit lens.
Same bro.
@@OnlyCitrus I keep hearing this argument but seeing no facts provided. That's just not how Japanese companies operate.
@@SapphicCode Q&A of latest Fuji Financial results takes 1 minute to find; see CEO answer to question about inventory adjustment
@@SapphicCode that’s what they do in the fishing lures market. They make a small batch, hike prices and release more several months later. It’s a thing.
@@SapphicCode You will be surprised how cunning Japanese could be. I worked with Japnese firms in the past for 2 years and I do not think they are "pure" and "sincere". You can do a google search on how Japanese car companies like Toyota and others companies have falsified their vehicle safety data. Don't get me wrong. I love Japnese culture still and go to Japan for travel over 12 times already but they do have flaws....like we all do.
I just sold my Xh2-s. Don't get me wrong it is a very powerful machine if the autofocus works. I am not a professional film maker for shooting Hollywood movies. So I use autofocus. I ended up buying a Sony A6700 as my B cam and it works so much better . Like C'mon XH2s is like double the price but still having problems
Thanx again. In general, Fuji shooters would not feel the need to make these comparisons if the AF would be more reliable.
I used the Fujifilm X-T5 for shooting images and the Sony ZV-E1 for shooting videos. I made a good decision by not updating the last two firmware versions of the Fujifilm. So, basically, the autofocus of the X-T5 is still good enough.
Same as me I’m on the original software for xt5 and my xh2 and I find the auto focus very reliable
Having watched nearly a dozen comparisons of these two cameras/systems, this is by far the best video I've seen! Thanks!!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you 😊
True. I could not agree more with this. I have also watched several videos comparing a6700 and X-T5, but this one by far made me to 80% decided to take the Sony a6700. I am really thorned between Sony a6700 because of its reliable AF and on the other hand, Fujifilm X-T5's great color production straight out of the box.
But with Sony a6700, you can do post-color production just like the eye-catching colors of Fujifilm X-T5, right?
I was waiting for the A6700 when the Xs20 came out. I bought the XS20 and didn't like, sent it back and placed the pre-order for the A6700. The A6700 immediately felt and preformed better, especially in AF.
I think what upsets most people is that Fuji’s AF was good but then the firmware updates ruined it and they act like they fixed it 🙃🙃🙃🙃
@@HVRIS yup this was me after the reala ace update. After that fujifilm marketing dude went on stream saying the af issue would be fixed with this update. And nothing was fixed it was still shit, and I lost trust in them.
I had the X-H2S through firmware 6. The AF never lived up to expectations.
@@Iamtongue I thought it was just me I usually have tons of keepers. My last trip after the Reala update I ended up with almost every shot blurred. User error on my part but I usually have way more than 5 keepers out of 1000.
Only 5?! Wow
Great comparison. I don’t have the XT5 but I have the XH2 and see comparable results when compared to my Sony bodies. My take on Fujifilm autofocus is a little different. I see the X line as a great walk around and portrait line of cameras and not a sports shooting brand. So the autofocus tracking ability for fast paced movements doesn’t bother me. I shoot a bunch of brands and I know if I want to shoot action, I’ll grab one of the brands that are designed for those scenarios. I don’t think anyone is going to the Olympics with a Fujifilm body 🤷🏽♂️. What Fujifilm lacks in autofocus they make up in almost every other category, and that’s from a Sony and Nikon first shooter.
@@visionz_n_media bro even when the subject is static the eye tracking on my xt5 aims for the chest/shirt area 🥲🤣 my take is this.. if you’re spending all this money you should want all the features that they advertise to work. How you choose to use it is up to the photographer. Otherwise you’re wasting your money having faulty cameras. You’re also on a league of your own too, not many people are fortunate enough to shoot with multiple camera systems.. that’s why I keep harping on the fact people should spend their hard earned money on something that works and that is reliable.
@@Iamtongue I understand your perspective 100%. For those that are new to photography or do not have the budget to operate with multiple brands, it’s best to get what will check most if not all the boxes for your needs. I see Fujifilm as a more premium tool with a focused purpose. Example: People buy Hassleblad for its image quality and history and not its autofocus capabilities, portability, or menus. My point is to know what your intention and the purpose of the tool is before grabbing it. I see your work all the time and you can create amazing images on any brand. That comes with knowing the art form and understanding the basics that applies to all brands. Too many “new” photographers expect the cameras to do all the work 🤷🏽♂️.
I used to go on nature walks in my hometown and even though my Nikon and Canon cameras had superior autofocus, my gear choice was frowned upon, by Leica and Fujifilm shooters. Not because of their cost but because of the process. I could shoot and move on and never appreciate the purpose of that community, my settings or the environment.
i sold my xh2s, and got the a6700. for photos is great, video is awesome. Downside, screens are garbage and evf. But i can live with that.
And i had the xt1, xt2, xt5, xh2s, xs20 and the xe-4. Hardcore fuji guy. But i had to make the switch and i dont regret it all.
@@tm_vis-rcwhy?
@@kristiangurholt59 Basically because i needed to rely on the camera when it came to moving subject and tracking. For stills photography, landscapes etc, the fuji is great. But it was always hit and miss when it came to AF-C content.
I made the plunge and i dont regreat the a6700 at all, and i can get the same look for pics and videos in post. Plus i like the feel of the camera, sleaker, nice grip and lighter for event photography
That's a good choice. You'll also be spoilt for lens choices on e-mount! Fuji glass is nice, but there are way more third party options with Sony.
@@tm_vis-rc I see. I’ve a a6100 and it’s great but it just feels like a tool and it’s hard to love it because of that. I really like the look of Fuji, but I haven’t owned one, I just assumed they’d caught up with AF by now but guess not.
Could you please explain your settings with the Fuji? Energy? EyeAF? Single Field, Zone or wide? AF-C releaseprio or focusprio? AF+MF On or Off? AF-C Settings? Thanks a lot!
@@tomferatule1887 just use single point auto focus on fuji, all tracking autofocus is shit on fuji
I recently switched from a Fuji X-T3 to the Sony A7iv. Granted, the Fuji was older technology, but shooting with the A7iv has been a revelation. The autofocus is so much better, and the responsiveness of the camera is nearly instantaneous. The Sigma and Sony lenses I got are lightweight and have aperture rings, so the shooting experience is similar (I don’t shoot with zooms). I really like the Fuji system, and the images from my X-T3 were fine, but without reliable autofocus there’s no upgrade path. Unfortunately, Fuji is becoming the Leica M of APSC.
Thanks for a great comparison, especially liked the hits percentage comparison you made. Did you use the latest firmware ver. 4.0 for the x-t5?
Yup the one where they gave us the reala ace film simulation.
The AF is why I sold my X-H2S and bought a Z8. I love Fuji, but I'm out until they finally get the AF fixed.
@@brianw6645 how you liking the z8?
It's a learning curve. I like some Fuji things better, but the Z8 has much better AF.
@@brianw6645Exactly the same with the R6MII! Fuji would be world beating with comparable AF.
Smart choice! I wish fujifilm would do something about their autofocus in the future, but seems unlikely.
Are you saying in terms of Sharpness and colour science sony is better than fuji?
@@syed.farhan_7 clinical sharpness Sony. Color science is Fuji
Sony a6700 or fujifilm xt5?
Fujifilm over sony anyday! Soon will get my xs20 or xh2s
3 bodies and 10 lenses keep me using Fujifilm. If I would start brand new, I would probably go Nikon/Canon.
@@JakeChambersOywhich Nikon and which canon? I’m thinking about getting rid of my cameras for a good hybrid camera
@@specter116 I honestly can't say because I didn't do any research at this point. All I know is that most people I know use these brands and the few occasions I was able to test out Sony (A7iii), I did not like the overall handling and user experience at all.
¿Por qué no los dos? I’ve got the XT-5 that I use for stills, mainly portraits, and landscapes, and the A7iv for birds and wildlife and I’m happy! But I learn something from every video here, so thanks for the excellent content!
I have always been a Sony shooter but Fujifilm has always caught my eye. But it’s like what you said about Kawhi. It could have a cool look but if it’s not nailing focus that’s a hard no for me. Very expensive cameras to not have great autofocus
Hi @Iamtongue.. which one to buy sx20 or sony a6700. I am getting a6700 with 18-135 for 1460GBP and sx20 with 16-50 for 1450GBP.. i am a beginner. Can you please suggest??
What are you shooting for? photos or videos? or both?
@@Iamtonguemostly photos for now but looking to get hands on videos in future.
Get the XS20 then. Colors are better
@@Iamtongue Is the AF improved in XS20 after the FM update. Do you know about it??
And is the AF in XS20 for photography??.. Sorry to ask so many questions.. it's a huge investment for me
What about the X-S20 instead of the XT5 vs. a6700? Since is dropping their prices further and further, even the X-S20 is now more expensive than the a6700 (in Germany at least). Any thoughts on the X-S20?
I love the xs20, i think if you have Firmware 1.0 you should be fine. Don't update to the latest ones where they start having AF problems.
I think Sony has improved their colour science a lot. I think the Sony leans into a more neutral look, which is good. With the reliable AF and massive lens choices, the Sony is a good option.
I'm migrating from Fuji to Nikon. The Nikon ZF has excellent MF tracking assists which sold me. The ZF + Voigtlander lenses sound like a dream and it makes my vintage lenses more appealing for street photography use.
As for my professional video needs, I'm going back to exclusively using my bmpcc 4k and selling my XH2S. There's something special about the image it produces as well as BRAW being a dream to grade. The specs of the XH2S are insane, but there's more to the picture than just specs.
I’m going to add a nikon in the near future as well.
Hi tongue.. during the auto focus test, the sony footage is considerably brighter.. was it due to the darker equivalent iso of fujifilm?
@@jrc1156 yes I messed up. It was bright outside and the evf was hard to see in the Sony a6700.
@@Iamtongue i knew that fuji has darker ISO but I didn't expect that it is as noticeable like that.
@@jrc1156 ya exposure isn’t equal I’m guessing it’s the xtrans sensor?
@@Iamtongue that's for next video I guess? 😂.. how ISO brightness differs from different camera sensors 😁
@@Iamtonguefuji's iso measurement isnt the same as sony, but basically it means this
Iso 2000 on ALL sony is as bright as 3200 on ALL fuji
I shot with the a6000 & a6500 and I liked it. They were very "clinical". I've loved every Fujifilm camera I've had. Sony has an advantage on the af (continuous af tracking). Other than that give me Fujifilm 24/7. Fujifilm is pure joy to shoot with. And you're right about Kawhi. Big waste of MONEY superstar ever after Toronto.
Man, you're a strong guy! Thanks for sharing your weight training habit!
Thanks man I’m trying to be 😉☺️
Thank you for the video. However for those who want to shoot with Fuji a video about fine-tuning Fuji focus would be really helpful.
What is your oppinion on the single card slot? I had a card failure alredy and I lost everything I had on it. The Sony a6700 would be a perfect backup to the a7iv when i need it and also a good travel companion but I'm just too scared of that single card slot.
Regarding the Fuji system, I also tried a Fuji XT4, since the specs meet my requirements for that backup camera, but the files just look soft, even with the Viltrox pro lenses (those lenses defeat the purpose of the system for me but I wanted to give it a chance, but I know now that the lenses I had was not at fault). I had an a7iii so I can confidently say the Fuji is noticeably softer. I downloaded XT5 files shot with the new 56mm Fuji lens and those were softer then my a7iv files as well. My fiance noticed this as well and she doesn't know much about cameras.
I’ve used it a couple of gigs, and I thought it was fine. My problem was losing moments when im taking the time to switch out from a full sd card. But like you said, it would be a good backup and if you use it as such single card slot should be fine.
Does X-S20 have better autofocus than X-T5 since they both have the same high-end processor but X-S20 has last gen sensor (less megapixels & data to process)?
Curious to know the answer to this question as well!?
Its the same AF on both, sensor doesnt make any difference. for example xh2s stacked sensor vs xs20 old sensor , same af performance. I mean same af non-performance
@@edvard2942 cheers, appreciate the insight & explanation
You're right I should buy a c
cheap feeling hunk of plastic with a spam dial to shoot in a non-tactile way 1/10th as often, because a mode I never wish to use doesn't function?
Exactly
Why exactly do you need a joy stick when u have touch screen?
I have greasy fingers
Great video as always!
Fuji can’t fix their autofocus tracking and Sony can’t fix their colors for near ten years 😅
Joking aside I really love both companies and appreciate what they bring to the table in camera world. One is most inspiring photo gear for every type of photographer from beginners, enthusiast to the prosumer and professionals, and other brand is producing probably the most capable machines for nailing photos in every scenario…
For photography Fuji AF Tracking X-T5 was okay straight out of box, not the best but decent…after firmwares it does not feel so reliable as it was…
Single AF works perfect in every firmware for now, just as it was from day one for photography…
12:40 About the sharpness you mentioned.. I’ve been pixel-peeping the RAW files from my a6100, and it also looked “too sharp” to me with no post-sharpening (with a sharp sigma 56mm 1.4). It occurred to me at the time that Sony might be secretly adding sharpness. There is indeed an in-camera setting to reduce sharpness below 0. At -3 (minimum value), the photos looked “correct” when pixel-peeping. This could mean, that -3 is actually 0, and 0 is actually +3. With how much trickery companies use to get ahead of competitors, it wouldn’t surprise me.
Sometimes people may feel that a lens is “too sharp”. This is not the case, unless softness is the desired style. The sharpest lens imaginable would only be as sharp as nothingness (where there is nothing that breaks the light), so any sharpness that looks unnatural must come from in-camera or in post.
Yeah man, that's the comparison I wanted - savage though it is.
I'm loaded up with lots of the recent Fuji glass, which is all lovely, and I can't say my X-T5 comes up short doing what I do, but if anything is going to make the company sit up and listen it's those bin fire stats. Good job 👌
I bought the Sony A7 III in 2019, but I love film simulations, so I also purchased the Fujifilm X-T30 and the XF 23mm F2 lens. I found that even though the XF 23mm is one of the fastest lenses in the Fujinon lineup, the hit rate with the X-T30 is much lower than the A7 III. I hoped Fujifilm would improve their autofocus in the X-T4, X-T5, and even the X-H2. This year, I bought the X-T5 and sold my X-T30 II (I had sold my original X-T30 three years ago). However, the X-T5 showed very little improvement. Now, I 'm like, “Okay, Fujifilm is for fun and for their film simulations. I’m okay with this because I don’t do photography for a living. But when it comes to shooting sports, birds, or even street photography, I definitely go with my A7 III and all my Sony/Tamron lenses.
The last good Fuji was the XH1. I had the XS20 and sold it within a month. Got the a6700 and now it's one of my favorite cameras ever.
Maybe fuji is stuck…..could it be the actual xtrans sensor is making it hard for them to get it right?
I totally agree with you. On point!
Non Pro here. Got the a6400 and a6700. Had all the fancy lenses from sony and Viltrox 1.2. But it killed my fun with photograpy. My iPhone 15 pro is all I need for Video. And often everyday fotos. Always with me and the Kids.
Sold it all since my 12 Jear old son pointet out, the more lenses I have gathered, the less I was shooting. Expensive and heavy to throw around…
Got a XT3 with the 18mm f1.4 LM WR for photos and the 16-80 f4 OIS WR for stills and a bit video. And got a lot cash left over.
The photos are goegeous. The control and fun in shooting is back for me. Like in the days with my Nikon FE2 and D90.
If I had not to worry about money, I would take the a6700 with the 16-85 2.8 for video and sports/children every day. And the XT3 for stills.
I don't think it is Sony or Fuji. You just carried too many lens with those Sony camera. I do not know why anyone would have fun shooting with bad AF system coming home to find out half of the photos not in focus. I, for one, not a big fan of that and it discourages me to bring it out for shooting. I like Fuji color but I had to sell my XT1 years ago because I did not bring it out much as it was hard to use (I found that I missed focus a lot obviously). Nowadays I bring my camera out every time on a trip and have fun shooting not caring much if the subject is going to be in focus because they always do 99% of the time and I can focus more on the composition, lightning and etc rather than the camera system flaws with my A6700. If I want to go light, I bring Sigma 18-50mm + 56mm combo. If I want the best quality possible, I bring Viltrox 27mm + 75mm.
At the end of the day it is about the process of creating pictures to get the few images that make you go wow. Nobody ever care about the 10.000 shots per year on our harddrives.
With Fuji you have to fight AF, with Sony the color. You always have to work around the flaws of your tools.
The AF performance of my XT3 depends heavily on the lenses. The 33 1.4 LM and 18 1.4 LM are quick and reliable even vor people.
Sony is leading AF for sure.
Great video. I can't tell if the soft Fuji photos show up randomly, or if it occurs at a certain distance (i.e. as the subject gets closer to the camera). Can you comment on that?
To be fair, "acceptably sharp" is a real thing - depends on what you are doing. But I can agree that "tack sharp" is and should be the goal, every time. ESPECIALLY because you tried the exact same lens on both cameras, the results on the Fuji are just embarrassing and sad.
I guess with Sony you get more hits, saving time. But then you lose time editing the gross colors and over-sharpening (yep, I think Sony is too sharp at times). With Fuji, you have to overshoot, so the time saved on editing is lost culling. At the end of the day I wouldn't choose the 6700 - I just do not like the layout, the poor displays, single card slot, and so on. Still waiting for a good FF option in the $2-$3k range, otherwise I'm saving up for a Z8 or R5ii or sticking with the mighty XT3.
I will be OK with Fuji jacking prices when they add the processing power the cameras seem to badly need. All the fastest FF cameras are use dedicated chips to image / AF processing. But IDK.
I’m still struggling with my packing of my camera bag. Every day I keep changing lol. I take out the XH2S and then put in the A7R3 and then switch back and then back again lol. I just know I’m going to take both in the end and break my back lol.
Damn those Fuji colors. I switched to Canon R8 but for my holiday this year I still brought my Fuji X-E4. I like images from Fuji more although Canon has really good color science in my opinion. I also brought X-E4 with me way more due to the size and fun factor. I only use zone focusing with Fuji but even then it can miss focus crucial moment with my kids. My wife doesn't know a thing about photography yet she almost always picks Fuji images when I show her comparisons between Fuji and Canon. I also tested A7C II and their color science is better but still not there. In video I can't get them to work for me while Fuji SOOC is almost perfect. Very good and honest review from your side.
Have you looked into Panasonic color science? It's amazing seeing how similar yet different these companies' photos look. I'm looking at getting my first camera and considering a s5iix
@@goawaybaizuo Actually I did. I really like Panasonic and Nikon color science but Nikon has to big bodies and lenses. I am going to add Panasonic S9 to my arsenal to adapt full frame manual lenses but this time I won't sell my Fuji kit. I just find they give specific look that no other company can recreate or it's hard to recreate. Probably mix of X-trans sensor, lenses gives those pleasing tones, highlight transitions that are softer. Generally image is more film like. I also find that it's hard to recreate full frame look on Fuji bodies.
@@MrRafalEn I was looking at the fuji xh-s first. However, I was shocked by the features/cost of the Lumix and their lenses seem like fantastic values. Fuji color science is my favorite (at least what I've seen online), but the AF scares me.
would you choose the xt4 or the xt50
XT4
I know you're mainly a fuji channel. However, I would LOVE to see a review or hear your thoughts of the a6700 vs. s5ii vs. X-t5. I have narrowed down my search and price point to these 3 cameras as they're all a similar price. However, the L mount lenses seem like a much better value. Thanks!
Excellent review, Tung. Our new Fuji term is “kinda sharp” vs tack sharp. Great music in this video too. I use single point focus “a lot” so I do not notice the focus issues as much. I do notice the Fuji colors! I’ll need to try a Sony as the last Sony I had was an old fixed lens Cybershot.
Haha you should do the afc tracking test for yourself Jackie it makes great content. But be prepared to rustle a few feathers though.
Very good comparison! I shoot with the XT5 and yes, I have "false positives" sometimes on moving subjects. But I'm a humble amateur, and if I lose a shot now and then, well, the world keeps on turning anyway... And, the Fuji output is gorgeous. The JPEG's are a lot nicer, I think, than the Sony's, as your video shows. As you point out, Fuji's RAW files are fantastic; they are very easy to edit. Also, I like the handling of the Fuji XT series; no need to dive into menu's to get perfect lighting. So, nothing is perfect and if I would switch (it would be Nikon then, no doubt), I'm pretty sure I would like the AF better - but I would miss other things that I like in the Fuji system. That said, my son is pro shooter and, in particular, videographer and he cannot afford to miss focus at all, so he is in the process of switching from Fuji XH2 to, probably, Panasonic S5IIx. Which I really understand. So it really depends what you need - and want.
Yes it’s dependent on your needs and want. But as a reviewer and I can’t reccomend Fuji products anymore because this is just way below average (AF) but if people are aware of this quirk it’s fine.
@@Iamtongue Fully agree! Defending a product out of mere fanboy-ism does not help anybody.
As much as I wish the Fuji XT5 had just like 10 percent better auto focusing, it just feels right to me when I shoot with the Fuji over my canon gear. The Fuji makes me want to pick the camera up and use it even with its faults. I just hope from you and the other RUclipsrs bringing the faults in the autofocus to more people’s attention, they will work to remedy it. (I also enjoy shooting landscape the most so the autofocus isn’t a MASSIVE issue for me. But it is frustrating when I do use it to shoot friends and family and come back with misses that had the green box on peoples faces lmao)
I need a deep dive on the 4.0 firmware on XT5
I made a seperate video on it couple of months ago. its on my channel check it out
I love fujifilm but it’s ridiculous how slow they are to fix this autofocusing issues on the new cameras! I’m looking into a Sony a7cii in the future.
I have the A7Cii - it’s a much better camera than the A6700. And it blows the Fuji away.
@@RandumbTech blows the Fuji away?? In what way?
Can I ask what makes you say the a7cii is better than the a6700?
Fujifilm's anti-focus is best in the APS-C category. No other brand comes close. On a serious note, I do wish they would improve on it. I switched to Nikon ZF, and the build quality and AF are on a higher-quality tier than the XT-5. I sometimes miss the megapixel count, but the ZF brings me the same joy of shooting like the XT-3 used to do for me.
That’s amazing! I’m gonna add Nikon into the near future
Anti focus 😂
interesting video!
It's a shame how Fuji messed up the AF with the firmware. Personally, I'm still on version 2 on my X-T5,
so it works great. I use face and eye AF with AF-C all the time and would say my hit rate is around 90% for my street photography.
My commercial work is slow-paced, so I have no issues there.
However, when Fuji updated one of my cameras, I noticed more issues and ended up selling that camera.
I'm also using the X-S20 with the newest firmware, and it's not reliable. I noticed worse performance on the street and strange things going on in video AF.
I used the A7S III and A7 IV professionally at the agency where I worked before, and I kind of miss Sony for my film work.
Though nowadays I mostly do stills and would still stick with Fuji for that,
as you say, it saves a lot of time in editing. But it seems like I shouldn't update the firmware!
However, the thought of getting something else for video is on my mind at the moment.
Considering how much criticism Fuji is getting right now, and that even the most fundamental
fanboys are starting to acknowledge the issues, we might get it fixed soon.
Basically, what they have to do is go back to firmware version 1 with the AF and throw everything else in the trash!
My X-T5 has now spent more time with Fuji repair center than in my hands. Now back a second time for the same problem. I'm thinking of switching to the A6700 or maybe back to the X-S20. The lenses that I already have hold me back -- along with not having a camera (in hand) to trade or sell. Sigh.
XT5 much better overall except the AF when in continous AF mode… I love my Fuji, Sony not even close.. color science is one of the best.. AF Can hopefully be fixed with software update..
Have to say you are right - even if my personal mis/hit rate is about 50:50. that’s not good - but as you say every ooc footage of the Fuji looks better than the Sony (not considering kinda sharpness). If I have to post photos fast, most of the time the overall look of the Fuji is so much better than the Sony, even the slight out of focus does not matter (my personal trade off). No excuse - the focus ist really bad…
Your settings are wrong! Not comparable! 😅
Nice comparison, more seriously ahah
Yeah the false positive/ almost sharp in Fuji is definitely true.
Reliability is definitely the name of the game! Cheers
Great video man, it's sad that Fujifilm has screwed up so bad their AF.
I won't leave Fuji, as a hobbyist I just love the experience of my X-T5, but I can relate to what happened to you on the gym, just on the opposite side.
I traveled to Japan with a friend. In Kyoto we visited Fushimi Inari Shrine, which was stuffed with tourists. We only had limited time to get some shots within the row of Torii gates.
I bought a X-T2 in Japan (poetic, iykyk), and now I have experience shooting Fuji. I took an amazing Pic of my friend within the Toriis, discounting the missed shots.
I taught my friend how to use the camera, and sadly all the shots he took of me were focusing on what was on my back except for one where I am in a very dark spot.
What is depressing is that I know that it wouldn't have metered if I got my X-T5, I am 90% convinced that the result would have been pretty much the same.
The X-T2 is still a very capable camera, but Fuji keeps dropping the ball with their AF. It pays off that their color science and in camera raw conversion tools are unbeatable as a combo.
See this is wild. I think one of the af test should be handing it to a noob and see if the af can nail the focus for them. Sorry that happen to you
I am shocked that you said the images from X-T5 are not as sharp as the A6700. On DPreview website they have standard test images for all cameras. Looking at the X-H2+56mm R lens vs the A7IV+85mm GMaster combination, you can read more of the text (near the middle of the test chart) with the Fuji X-H2. (The A6700 should be strictly inferior to the A7IV.)
It doesnt matter if the camera cant focus properly
Controlled testing. Vs photographing IRL
@@Iamtongue yes I am disappointed how bad the Fuji is doing in real life vs Sony which in the controlled lab setting the X-T5 + 56mm R is superior vs the A7IV +85mm GMaster. I guess probably due to the X-T5 either not getting critical focus, or perhaps motion blur due to extreme pixel density, or may be the lens you had on the X-T5.
I would love to defend my beloved Fuji, but the autofocusproblem woth face-af is sadly a problem.. Because of the sharpness, lightroom fuckes it up still. Put it in capture-one or iridient-x and it will be sharper...
heyy man, great and very informative video, was kinda hoping you'd do another similar video but focusing on the sony a6400 and fujifilm xt3. with love, from Zimbabwe!
i just got the a6700 and the la 5 adaptor to use old lenses. Im coming from a lumix s5iix and a bunch of L glass. For pictures I bought some viltrox 1.4 and 1.2 for the sony man do i dig the autofocus and just alot about this little sony. Just amazing. I have the same problem with slightly out of focus shots on my lumix. Its just not worth it imo. Even the fuji with 40 mega pixel , I like to catch birds and fast moving things in general in the moment while im out, sure in the studio I can manual focus all night. If a picture is not in focus I dont care what colors or how many mega pixels its like climbing up hill while trying to do something creative. ty a6700 and the viltrox lenses. Sony please release a 45 megapixel apsc. Im sticking with sony for now. good review and thanks for the honesty. I am tempted to pick up a xt5 second hand but afraid when i pixel peep i will start to see all the out of focus shots and i die a little inside when i peep and see that. ouch. Im so glad you said all the color science and ect dont mean S%^$ if its fuzzy focus. Come on sony next apsc maybe we get 45 mp. who knows. great review cheers
Thank you 😊
Glad to see you're not leaving Fuji. 🥴 I'm looking into changing cameras for video, but sticking with Fuji for photos (food photography)
Performance > aesthetics IMO
Handing on the camera to someone who only used his phone , never a pro camera and to shot to turn perfect is so satisfying.
18:00-18-15 Soooooo true!
I personally don't have issues with the AF and I'm definitely not the only one. For that I'm grateful.
The X-T5 is just a pleasure to use. Like he says, the photos have soul.
These Fuji haters make me laugh with their comments such as "moving to Sony was the smart choice" 🤣 .
The FX30 is also an excellent camera for video and can do some photography.
Totally agree!
Real good presentation. As an owner of the fuji xt3 and the Sony 6300, I have used both in various environments and I am convinced Sony has the edge. Further, Sony makes a lighter camera with easier menus. I have had my eye on the 6700, but videos like this have made it so popular, that the price has spiked! Please Stop! LOL
I'm sorry ahahh thanks for watching :D
I been seriously considering getting the A6700. I own the H2 and LOVE it but I agree with you on the autofocus. I also own the A7IV so I know how good the focus is. I wish the A6700 had a joystick, better EVF and better rear screen. If it matched the X-T5 or H2 specs I would have jumped on it a LONG time ago. Another reason I haven't jumped ship yet is because I use the 10-24mm a bunch. I love how small and compact it is for its focal length. Sony doesn't have an equivalent lens so that's another reason I haven't jumped to the A6700. But might just bite the bullet and do it anyways.
Sigma 10-18mm 2.8? it is much sharper, the fuji 10-24 doesn't hold up on my 40mp fuji...
@@jonasfrey9649 The 10-18mm is wide enough but I would miss the 35mm side. I wish Sigma or Sony would make a 10-35mm F4
I dont stick to single brand. I have the fuji xt2 , canon 5d2 , nikon d800 & sony a1.
For this comparison i get the a6700 over xt5 , just because it cost $750 cheaper in my region , fujifilm needs to lower their price.
I have X-T5 and love it and love its colors. But I’m going to buy Sony a7c2
Do not forget about Nikons offereing 🙂
Great video! Thanks for all the experience you bring to the table 🤘
You bet!
I sold my X-H2S and got a Canon R6MII. Sold my latest XF lenses and got the cheap RF lenses. No regrets, the AF on the Canon is a cheat code, high ISO is really good, and the image quality is excellent. And the bonus is both the cheap RF 100-400 and the RF 24-105 f4 are parfocal. Is every RF zoom lens parfocal? If so, this really makes Fuji software developers look like hacks.
Fuji engineers are fresh out of college
@Iamtongue I really enjoy your content my friend, keep up the great work. Especially the weightlifting, that's near and dear to me.
Have no problem with Fujifilm AF altough using tracking but no eye detection (non camera is reliable for shooting basketball). Would choose Fujifilm over Sony (shot Sony too) due to the optics quality which is far better on Fujifilm then Sony has to offer in same range.
so if i'm sticking with fuji, I should consider manual lenses and go all in Kino vibes then, hmmm...
As a beginner I find sony a6700 more reliable and easy to use...color in image can be adjustable post also if your pic is sharp
Yup if you’re a good editor it’s a great camera
My two month old xt5 wouldn’t survive this test in daylight due to overheating issues while recording. Has anyone else had bad overheating issues?
Can i ask what it is that you shoot? Could be shooting style, and location.
You should make a video comparing fujifilm xt3 and xt5 you will be shocked how the Af and Af traking in the xt3 is better and reliable than the xt5
ruclips.net/video/xH5_MhNu3as/видео.htmlsi=kF7Os5dKSlsHa1bA
Hahah I’ve seen videos which is wild and embarrassing for fujifilm.
I'm using the h2s for video but I shot manual lenses only. Fuji's more like an entry level cinema camera than a hybrid mirrorless at this point: no AF, but very good codec, formats, colors and price. Video RAW doesn't make sense in a mirrorless anyway... if a project you're in asks for RAW, it shouldn't beeing shot on a mirrorless.
17:28 - thats sums it up pretty quickly, not just this, but all Fuji vs Sony debate.
i heard that the AF was better before FW 4.0. Would be interesting to make this comparison again with the older FW on the FUjifilm. could be surprising
Good job on the weight lifting. I'm impressed.
Me too! Thank you 😂
The build quality on newer Fuji gear is trash also. I remember people saying the old Fuji’s were generational cameras. I held onto my XT2 for 8 years and it still was in great condition. Now I feel like Fuji is just spitting out cameras to those who want to upgrade every cycle. Except you can’t because they keeping production low and have artificial scarcity. Anyway lol, thanks for the vid!
I own Sony A7IV with 2 Tamron lenses. Tamron being owned by Sony might be relevant. I agree that a misfocus is a misfocus though and on the hit rate count. But I would have liked to know Fuji lens hit count vs Sony lens hit count, native lens might make more difference on Fuji (or might not) but it's an avoidable weak point in the test.
I've seen a lot of other videos where native fuji glass was used - same bad results.
I’ve done this test with native glass and people tell me that I should get a glass that’s for both mounts to make it fair to truly test out their af system. Why is it that Sony gets 96% hit rate on a third party lens and Fuji gets 25% they are the same lenses, with same motors. Fujis af system is trash. And the more people open their eyes and admit that there’s a problem. The faster fujifilm the company will fix it. But if the fanboys are all stuck in la la land and tell Fuji there’s nothing wrong ,they will get complacent and fuck with the cameras we truly love and I think we are witnessing it in real time right now.
@@Iamtongue but if someone wants to dispute the results they can (and will) blame it on the third party lens. I wanted to use this video to show people that say Fuji AF is good but I know already how they will answer 🤣
Never thought a day would come when Fuji would be behind Panasonic in autofocus. Everyone caught up, except Fuji.
As a hobbyist, I'm still sticking with the Fuji for now, just because of the colour science. A sharp Fuji image will have much better, more satisfying colours than Sony without any editing, this is what inspires me to take pictures. However, I think we do need Fuji to fix their AF because it's the only thing stopping more ppl from using their cameras professionally
Totally agree!
I'm on an Alaskan cruise shooting with the XH2s and XT5 and I've come to the same conclusion. I shot 3000+ photos in very challenging conditions - small boat rocking, rain, darkness, small target (sea otters) and using zone focus. I can't help but think I'd have a better "hit" rate of useful photos with my Sony. Fuji needs to realize they are killing their brand with denial. I'm thinking about selling off my Fuji's until they start to improve in a major way.
I’m on the same boat!
The photos and videos coming out of the Sony look glossy; this gives them a high-quality look.
I don't know whether Fuji's photos look less glossy because Fuji adds a little bit of grain to the photos to make them look film-like or because it's a Sony thing.
Try to include a third camera from a different brand like an APS-C Canon in the test to know if the sharpness is a Sony thing or due to Fuji's added gain.
I think you haven't tested/ reviewed any Canon cameras yet.
Haven’t tried their modern cameras nor do I want to.
Its only fuji who handles noise like iso, the rest is same as sony since well , sony doesnt really "modify" their sensor to be different.
Sonys are almost always procidinf the most accurate result , which doesnt mean its good , because we human prefer things to be hyper real in a way
fuji's gone in my world canon r6mkii in, I like things on the fuji better in some ways but for most part I wont be looking back and wont touch the brand again. I dont like being treated as a bata tester (more like alpha but that seemed a bit meen) it happens in the gaming space and nothing boils my p!ss more. actually sort the problem and quickly not a month or 3 down the line. colour science or not its not worth it, the fuji will loss me/you money at some point as you/we miss images.
Those Sony colours are a lot better than i expected. Or you're just an editing genius 😅
You should try the fuji XH2S for video , the stacked sensor is very capable. The camera is much more responsive than any other fuji cameras.
So he should pick up a 2k+ flagship to compare a 1,4k camera
@@JJARCHIE you have a point but I think fuji made apsc more premium than any other manufacturer, wide lens selection at a better price makes it an overall a good deal . XS20 is also a capable camera in the same price category.
@@ZeitouniJad that is fair , but at xh2s' price point you go up against the z6iii , a7iv , r6ii and s5ii.
The zf also offers better af WITH the fuji look , dual slot aswell
I feel that a person choosing a camera needs to have a priority list. For example, do you just want to have fun shooting choose = choose Fuji, but if you want you images to be in focus LOL = choose the Sony. IMO, I want great sharp pictures because I don't want to miss the moment, Sony all day!
Sony all day! >:)
I own the Fuji XH2s. The first time I used it- immediate rush of happiness. Finally the AF was good. The colors are just oh so beautiful.
Then came those dreaded software updates. Ruining the shooting experience one update at a time.
The sad part is that a stacked super fast hardware system like the XH2s can be a monster with a good AF system. The Firmware 1.0 was a great example. I just want Fuji to wake up before it's too late.
Ps. with the 16-55 LM or the 18-120 the AF is decent. Any other lens- it just falls apart.
Is someone making you update the software?
Ppl update because they believe it will make their camera better not worse. Come on now. Stop with this nonsense
@@Iamtongue The OP is moaning about software updates. The point is that he should not have updated the camera if he was happy with it. Now the shooting experience is "ruined".
I love Fuji colour jpeg instantly into my social media
oh man. This is sad.
a few months ago, i sold my 2 xh2 cameras and 5 Fuji lenses and got a pair of canon r6ii. The Xh2 was great, the photos when it nails it are amazing but it was just so often that it misses a possible banger.
I kept some of my fuji x lenses cause I still love the system and I still have an xt3. The xt3 has a slow AF but at least it was more reliable/accurate with the green box.
I have 2 xt3 cameras for when I miss shooting fuji and the canon is sometimes just too big. The Xt3 hasn't let me down, yes it's slower but it has amazing colours and I just love the whole feel of them
Yup I think the last great camera was the xt3. It’s been down hill since with this newer procsssor
I think Canon have "the colors" and the AF, and a lot of recipes to try for the jpgs.
Nikon is near Canon and Sony in AF game too.
I’m going Nikon route
@@Iamtongue 😲 A lot of people are trying Nikon now. Seems like that even with some small shortcomings the Nikon route it's the best for the price. A some kind of middle ground, very good AF but not at best level, Nikon allow some third party lenses but ban the zooms from Sigma, very good ergonomics but still not at Canon levels, etc
So, I switched from Canon to Fuji around 2016. The last Fuji camera I bought was my X-T3 and it's been my workhorse. Not a fan of Sony because their colors are trash. As for AF and Fuji, I've found the lenses make the biggest difference. Never had a problem with the f2 lenses. But some (I'm looking at you pre-2021 35mm f/1.4) are just horrendous. Oddly, Sigma lenses work really well with Fuji, at least in my experience. I'm finally upgrading, though. Waiting for my X-S20 to arrive.
Don't know what Fujifilm is doing... But at release with the stock 1.xx firmware the X-T5, X-H2(s) were good on the AF aspect, not perfect but good and close to others but not yet there! Now it's like playing roulette... At times it's ok/good the next time not even usable on AF-C and moving subjets. But it's been like that for generations, had the same issue on the X-T3 and X-T4 the focus square was spot on the eye (even on AF-S) but the focus was still off, sometimes way off. So if you wan't speedy AF and reliable AF go with Sony.
Awesome detailed review/comparison 👍🏽
Glad it was helpful!
okay man but youre strong as HELL
Not yet man. Trying to be💪
Nice squatting. Strengthen the lower back and you can power through it with more depth.
That's the plan! Thanks!
sad but true. AF is the big problem. But fuji is meant for manual lens
Good choice my man. Great video as always.
Appreciate it J!