Absolutely my favourite year in music for albums. Simple Minds - New Gold Dream, Associates - Sulk, Prince - 1999, ABC - Lexicon Of Love, Kate Bush - The Dreaming, Yazoo - Upstairs At Eric's, Peter Gabriel - 4, Talk Talk - The Party's Over, Thomas Dolby - Golden Age Of Wireless, Duran Duran - Rio, Blancmange - Happy Families, Ultravox - Quartet, Rupert Hine - Waving Not Drowning, The Cure - Pornography, The Fixx - Shuttered Room, Roxy Music - Avalon, The Church - Blurred Crusade, Tangerine Dream - White Eagle, Bauhaus - The Sky's Gone Out, Gary Numan - I Assassin, Grace Jones - Living My Life, Laurie Anderson - Big Science, A Flock Of Seagulls - Debut, Cocteau Twins - Garlands, Icehouse - Primitive Man, Scritti Politti - Songs To Remember, Blanket Of Secrecy - Walls Have Ears........ all albums I still adore to this day. Love The Album Years Podcast, by the way. :)
Not a problem for me, but especially Steven should think about slowing down to make room for more of an international audience to appreciate his views. I know that is hard, when you get excited, but hopefully makeable.
Hello from another non native speaker from Ukraine. I guess subtitles would help. Anyway I cannot think of a better reason to improve your language skills than this amazing podcast 😅
This thumbnail literally has 4 of my all-time favourite albums, (Avalon, The Lexicon Of Love, 'Security' and New Gold Dream) and obviously the best album ever made by anyone, ever, in the history of anything, The Dreaming 😄♥️
Well covered convo guys, I must say as a 14 year old in 1982 Peter Gabriel 4 completely BLEW ME AWAY. 😂 It’s such a dark sonic adventure setting bar to a new height at the time.
What a great episode. Raw AND blended soup, Saga get a mention, and Lexicon of Love is adored. Incidentally, the last two Lexicon of Love tours with a full orchestra were amazing
It's always so nice to hear Kate discussed, especially by fellow musicians and musicians that have accomplished so much. I got a letter back from here way back in the 80s....hand written!
Rupert Hine's Waving, Not Drowning is an amazing album. Totally immersive. Little known fact is that Kate Bush was inspired by Hine's album Immunity and in later years collaborated with Rupert Hine.
Wow: the comments on Peter Gabriel's IV are simply perfect! I agree 100%. I would only add that for me, this album is dark in the way that alchemy makes one face darkness to go towards the light. It's the "oeuvre au noir" of alchemists and shamans. The final part of this journey is a stunning and dazzling beauty.
As a hugh Genesis fan (from all of their different eras) I must say what I like the most of Steven Wilson is that he slaps on the face of all those prog rock fans who puke on the floor with the 80s Pop music era and musical evolution many prog bands took in that period. Many many Genesis fans told me more than once "No Peter Gabriel no Genesis" or "Genesis died after 1975". And then we have another kind of Genesis fans who say "After the Duke album Genesis music turned into a piece of shit"....and so on. Plenty of them most likely Phil Collins haters of course. On the contrary Steven Wilson loves the music Pop Era from the 80s as I do too. The "Genesis" album from 1983 is a master piece: Mama, That's All, Home By The Sea/Second Home By The Sea, Just A Job To Do....what a great album. Not to mention their worldwide succes from 1986 "Invisible Touch". But like I said before too many fans are "Living In The Past" like the Jethro Tull song. And I can continue with "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" from Yes and all the haters (most likely Trevor Rabin haters) and many other examples.
Those same haters say the same thing about Steven Wilson albums. 😂 I really don't understand why "fans" want to corner their favorite artists into making the same thing over and over, instead of taking joy in their evolution and innovation.
This was a wonderful episode, maybe my favorite one, so far! Not only have the albums mentioned always meant the world to me, also the communication between the two of you has never been more enjoyable, more balanced and attentive !
Great podcast! Concerning Kate Bush eating chocolate to record Houdini: "In “Houdini” she fully inhabits the gothic romance of lost love, conjuring the panic, grief, and hope of Harry Houdini’s wife Bess. Bush was taken by Houdini’s belief in the afterlife and Bess’s loyal attempts reach him through séances. Bush conjured the horrified sounds of witnessing a lover die by devouring chocolate and milk to temporarily ruin her voice. Bess was said to pass a key to unlock his bonds through a kiss, the inspiration for the cover art and a larger metaphor for the depth of trust Bush wants in love. We must need what’s in her mouth to survive, and we must get it through a passionate exchange among willing bodies." (Pitchfork)
I saw ABC tour Lexicon when it came out. In a tiny club in Texas. The band included a quartet and a the keyboard player had a Fairlight. The songs were lush. I still remember what a great standing room only show it was.
The period from 1972-1982 must be one of the greatest in the history of music. The point made about The Dreaming/Hounds of Love and Security/So is spot on. Ditto that Avalon is the template for the rest of Bryan Ferry's solo career. While Boys & Girls is Avalon 2.0, the next album Bete Noire is Avalon 2.5 with rhythm tracks that echo the earlier remix of "The Main Thing" from Roxy's final album.
Avalon is one of the greatest makeout albums....in sustains that mood throughout, almost lulls you into a trance. He sustained that in his solo albums after that, which are also huge faves (if thematically less impressive).
Brilliant! Everyone one of these albums, that I've known for most of my life, still reveal new secrets and beauty that never disappoint. Thank you Steven and Tim for your insight and reflecting my thoughts in a way I don't think I could properly articulate the way that the two of you do.
That he did. Then it was John Giblin who took over. And talking about DF, he is playing dates all over the UK next month. Music and stories from the road. Should be a brilliant gig.
@@malcolmdaniel4462 thats awesome. id go if i lived over there. The Minds are about to announce a US tour and Im definitely seeing them again. EXCELLENT live band
I took my first steps alone into the world of music in 1982 (prior to this was my parents record collection of everything from The Beatles to Lulu). My first ‘self discovered’ albums were Chris De Burgh’s The Getaway, ABC‘s The Lexicon Of Love, Dire Straits’ Love Over Gold and Duran Duran’s Rio!
Love the Peter Gabriel album. However, meanwhile, Rory Gallagher and his band are kicking it playing real rock and roll with his 1982 album 'Jinx'! You have Signals, Easy Come Easy Go, Double Vision, Big Guns, and many others. No need for technological advances when you have Rory and his band in the studio still coming up with great songs!
I've long felt that 1980-1983 was maybe the most interesting and diverse few years in music history (should really throw 1979 in there). Just browse through the Billboard Top100 to see what I mean. Though I'll admit this diversity is mostly... white. The 2nd half of the 80s saw an explosion in hip hop, rap and R&B on the pop charts and underground. So in that sense, diversity took a while to get there -- although white acts doing R&B style pop was definitely up and coming (Madonna, Culture Club etc) But in terms of musical style, you had all these cross currents going on. The old school rockers and prog guys were sort of putting out their last gasps of brilliance (McCartney, Lennon, Bowie, Paul Simon, Deep Purple, Kansas, Yes, Genesis, Asia, King Crimson, etc -- oh yeah, Floyd!). You had new rock style pop (some from older bands) coming on the scene with tons of success (Billy Squire, John Cougar, Foreigner, REO, Loverboy, Journey, Def Leppard, Night Ranger). Then you had some of the best metal ever made (pre-thrash) such as Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, Dio, Ratt (a lot of this was not quite Top 40 but percolating in the underground). Oh yeah, then there's Rush, which is sort of all of the above! On top of that you have the massive influx of what was considered punk just a few years earlier. This is what we call or would eventually call post-punk, new wave, new romantic and eventually, alternative. Huge number of bands doing fantastic pop related things. And all of this was also cross pollinating to varying degrees. Throw in reggae and dub which was a huge influence on bands like The Police and tons of others. Experimentation ran amok during these years, in part because post punk was like some amazing laboratory (left field geniuses like Kate Bush and Laurie Anderson got some time in the sun) and partly because many of the legacy artists had amassed a fortune in the previous decade. They had the kind of cache to do anything they wanted (Peter Gabriel comes to mind). I don't want to forget we had some of the schlockiest sappiest love songs of all time too. Yacht rock was born during this time and some of it was actually pretty good. Some of it sucked. Yet somehow I think this huge jumble of styles overwhelmed the music industry for a while. They couldn't quite get their arms around it so they could package, mass produce and commodify it. By 1984 this process would start and continue for the rest of the decade (MTV of course played a role, as gatekeeper among other things). Shortly after grunge broke the early 90s, they were able to lock things down much more quickly and make those cheap, lucrative copies. Top 40 was actually fun and interesting in the early 80s. I really miss it.
Full agreement: I have always felt that the 80s (80-85, primarily) were best enjoyed and remembered through the pop music being written, especially out of Europe and Australia. It was a decade when I found it more difficult to find full albums worthy of scare income purchases but there were lots of great singles and EPs. There were some extremely memorable albums but certainly not the most enjoyable decade for "albums" for me. Roxy's AVALON was one of the peak albums from 1982 for me, for certain. Quite possibly my all-time favourite Dire Straits album, LOVE OVER GOLD, came out in 1982 which was far less pop than a more classic rock oriented album. Laurie Anderson's BIG SCIENCE is an album that I bought recently on vinyl and has such a fresh and interesting record and clearly a highlight from 1982: Anderson really pushed some boundaries. BIG SCIENCE was oh so super, man. Indeed, the 80s (thank you MTV!) became a little too obsessed with looks and fashion: flash over substance, at times, when it came to the music. Really enjoying your musical journeys. Keep the podcasts coming!
I’m sure 1982 will continue. Need to hear reviews such as English Settlement, Vinyl Confessions & Signals. Speaking of Rush, I like Rupert’s production on Presto & RTB.
Thanks to this episode I've just listened (and adored) The Fun Boy Three album. Great stuff. Will listen to Rupert Hine too, don't worry. Oh, and get on with Under Wraps - The Unwrapped Edition please, no drumtracks added and the 15 track CD version please ("Tundra" is among the best songs I think).
It was Percy Edwards who did the bird impressions. I loved The Dreaming when it was released and as much as it sounded stark and uncompromising I found the songs themselves quite accessible. Leave it Open and Get Out of my House were my favourite tracks. These days I think I respond more to the more traditional song writing of Never For Ever.
There is the missed opportunity of the mention of The Ham. Peter sung backing vocals on three of the tracks on PG4. Larry Fast of Synergy fame also played synth on the album. A great album, but I prefer PG3.
Another fantastic episode really enjoyed it and has encouraged me to go back to the dreaming. I loved Gabriel's early work but the music press were always on his case. I seem to remember two albums on from So which name escapes me a review in melody maker gave it 1* and just wrote some absolute nonsense.
RE New Gold Dream... I bought this in WH Smiths in Newport when it came out. This and Sons And Fascination are the last albums of Simple Minds that I can continue to listen to all these years after their release. In fact, Derek Forbes is probably the reason why Sons And Fascination was the soundtrack to my travelling around London auditioning as a drummer for bands I never wanted to drum with. His bass lines were an integral part of the attraction I had for their music. John Giblin was a fantastic bass player, but his bass lines never resonated with me with Simple Minds. I saw him and Brian McGee play with Propaganda at the Hammersmith Palais and that gig stands out to me as one of the best I attended in that decade.
The Dreaming and Sulk are two of my favourite albums…but I had to Google Rupert Hine to see if he was the guy who released Escape (The Piña Colada Song). He wasn’t. 😂😂
@@patrick3926 I’m from Dundee which makes it more personal. Billy’s demons probably helped his art but hindered his commercial success. Party Fears Two is my ringtone. 😀👍
So Tim is effectively saying Brian Eno was a vegetable that you would have in a rustic chunky soup but not have in a blended soup. Is Brian Eno sweetcorn?
I see something in the Thatcherism idea but maybe contentious to some of these artists I can see my 8 year old self though imagining a life of opulence for Kerr, Fry or Mackenzie suggested by the lushness of the music.
Mr. Wilson, please do an atmos mix on blu-ray of the upcoming Few Bits album in collaboration with Mayway Records and Superdeluxeedition 😊😊😊😎👌 Other recent belgian releases from 2023-2024 on my atmos blu ray wishlist Ão - Ão Mar + Bolis Pupul - Letter to Yu, ignored by most of the international press (and off course the Kate Bush backcatalogue 😂). 1982 albums I like Garlands (Cocteau Twins), New Gold Dream (Simple Minds), The Cure, Grauzone (S/T), Yazoo (Upstairs at Eric's), League Unlimited Orchestra (Love and Dancing), Donald Fagen (Nightfly), DM (Broken Frame), Fleetwood Mac (Mirage), Siouxsie (Dreamhouse), Talk Talk (Party's Over), Thomas Dolby (Golden Age...), China Crisis (Difficult Shapes), Roxy Music (Avalon), The Names (Swimming), A Flock of Seaguls,...
I am curious to know what these 2 thinj of code orange, greg puciatos solo albums, crosses, louis cole, and techno music. Would love to see a discussion on it. Or maybe it's too simple..
This isn't a value statement, but every time I hear you guys state an opinion as fact I have to tag it with "...for those who grew up in Britain in the 80's." I do agree with Tim about PG III vs PG IV. And props for recognizing Rupert Hine. But over here in the states the 80's was the decade of hair metal, Michael Jackson and Madonna (and of course MTV). Not a favorite decade of mine, to be honest.
I don’t know if there was an emphasis on fashion and style. As much as there was an emphasis on presentation. Because of the MTV music channel. But style has always been a part of the music industry. Whether been The Beatles with the first started in their suits. To the whole hippie and folk song era. Same is true four big band performers, as well as Frank Sinatra. And the artist for his arrow. fashionist style has always played a part of the music business. Depending on the genre of music,, our distress differently. Punk rockers didn’t dress like the pop singer. The Beach Boys didn’t dress like the Rolling Stones. Motown artist didn’t Folk singers or jazz artist. Earth, wind and fire, parliament, Kiss & Elton John. Didn’t dress like Billy Joel, Steely Dan or Chicago etc.
@@gaskellr44 Great albums from Radiohead, Bjork, The Prodigy, Daft Punk, Spiritualized, Blur, Ween, Mogwai, Squarepusher etc. etc. Techno! Drum and Bass! Not to mention Dylan's 'Time Out of Mind'.
@@RayZappa Em, not sure about the Blur one. I still havent got over their horrific park life and House in the country songs, but their later stuff was better and their 1st song "Theres no other way" is their perfect Pop song they did. Radioheads album OK Computer, for me arguably the greatest album ever made, so thats a tick. Are Techno! and Drum and Bass! albums? TBH, there were very good stuff in the early 90s with REM and Nirvana, and later with Brit Pop music Dodgy and Shed 7, but there wasnt mcuh for me, although we are gunna find it hard to beat the 60s, 70s and 80s for the best amount of great music.
@@gaskellr44 Fair enough, I was getting a bit carried off topic with the D'n'B and techno and anyway probably the best drum and bass was a year or two earlier (e.g. Goldie's Timeless in '95). The 1997 Blur album is great if you like stuff like Song 2. I much prefer the '70s and '90s to a lot of '80s music where I find the bombastic sound production a turn-off (with honourable exceptions like Hounds of Love). Long live music, whatever!
I found The Dreaming far too different at the time, I'm afraid. Compared to the three that came before it, it was too much of a left turn.... ABC, I'm sad to say, passed me by first time round and I didnt get to appreciate it and Horn's brilliance for about another 3 years.
Love The Fixx and funnily enough, Rupert Hine produced their first four albums and they crop up on other albums he produced around that time (Tina Turner's Private Dancer & Break Every Rule, Wildest Wish To Fly etc).
The Dreaming, Gabriel 4 and Avalon are thee of my all time favorites and to think they all came out in one year and when i was fifteen (same as Steven).
The Dreaming is one of the rare albums that provokes the listener and has a kind of disturbing effect because the songs are pretty haunting. It’s a work of total genius. She sings on Games Without Frontiers from Peter Gabriel 3.
The Dreaming and 4/"Security" are two of my favourite albums of all time. I absolutely adore them for exactly the reasons that Steven and Tim describe here so there's not much I can add to that :D. I got into them later in the 80s and they just blew me away because they are so dark and dramatic, and they're so innovative musically. I think "Get Out Of My House" from the Dreaming and "Shock the Monkey" (with its very clever video too) or "The Family and the Fishing Net" from 4 are my favourites, but they're all great tracks.
Props on mentioning Rupert Hine's trilogy, quality stuff! In 2022, Esoteric released a box set, Surface Tension: The Studio Works 1981-1983. Great sound, packaging and liner notes, highly recommended. To a lesser extent, Daniel Lanois' production work with Martha & the Muffins in '81, 83 and 84 was notably creative too, kind of like the Eno role, which foreshadowed his collaborate work with him. I might include some of these with your prog pop and art pop picks. Some of these I imagine will pop up in later videos. John Cale - Music For A New Society Nina Hagen - Nunsexmonkrock Sparks - Angst in My Pants Bill Nelson - The Love That Whirls (Diary of a Thinking Heart) Robert Wyatt - Nothing Can Stop Us Andy Summers & Robert Fripp - I Advance, Masked Klaus Nomi - Simple Man Peter Hammill - Enter K
Feeling enormously privileged to have worked with Rupert Hine (and his audio engineer, Stephen W Tayler) at Farmyard Studios in ‘83. A true English gentleman and a recording studio wizard with a wacky sense of humour. (I fondly remember being paralysed with hysterics during a break in recording, watching him apply multiple rubber bands around his head, resulting in a grotesquely distorted, bizarrely comical face - an unforgettable image!) Waving Not Drowning is his masterpiece imho. R.I.P.
You worked with hine around the time god mann you’re so lucky i am such a huge fan discovered through chris de burgh’s albums the getaway and man on the line and been obsessed since I really don’t want to annoy you but do you remember what synth he was using around that time i love those warm brassy pads
@@officialpierluk No problem mate. Rupert had a Wave 2.2 Digital Synth in the studio at that time. I was so impressed with this German manufactured keyboard I bought one. He also produced The Fixx around the same time. Their album Reach the Beach is heavily saturated with some great PPG patches, including those brassy sounds you referred to. Cheers from Oz. 🇦🇺
I'm surprised Nina Hagen's "Nunsexmonkrock" wasn't mentioned as it's a parallel album to "The dreaming". Musically it's not as interesting, but vocally... it's arguably the most creative use of human voice ever put on record.
Never really heard any of these albums from 82', will check some of them out. A few I'd go for from 82'... Solid Space - Space Museum / The Names - Swimming / Cocteau Twins - Garlands / The Glove - Blue Sunshine / Crispy Ambulance - The Plateau Phase / The Cure - Pornography / Siouxsie & the Banshees - A Kiss in the Dreamhouse / Chrome - No Humans Allowed / Bauhaus - The Sky's Gone Out
This was a fabulous episode; thank you gentlemen! My partner and I had a listening double bill of Gabriel 4 and The Dreaming, inspired by this episode. Just fabulous. Also, I'm so happy to hear Fun Boy Three getting some love. 👍🏻
Fantastic years in music history. Peter Gabriel 4, Simple Minds New Gold dream, Roxy music Avalon. Ultrawox quartet. Rubert hine Waving not Drowning changed my music life! Peter Gabriel 4 was kind of a shock live!
My favourite albums of 1982: - The Cure’s Pornography - Siouxsie And The Banshees’s A Kiss In The Dreamhouse - Brian Eno’s Ambient 4: On Land - Christian Death’s Only Theatre Of Pain
One of my favourites which is always under rated (even within their own discography) is Dire Straits Love over Gold. Epic tracks like Telegraph road, private investigations, and it never rains
Repping Lansing, Michigan, USA here. The British scene in '82 couldn't turn them out fast enough for me. I had all of these, except the Gabriel and Hines LPs. You hit the nail on the head by comparing "New Gold Dream" with "Avalon." Besides a slick, sinuous feel, they had something else in common - exquisite "make out" albums..... :) Best Brit album of '82 for me? A Certain Ratio "Sextet."
Kate Bush's The Dreaming is one of the greatest albums ever made. Hounds of Love is also fantastic. But The Dreaming is often overlooked. It's amazing. I also love Gabriel's Security album, Laurie Anderson's Big Science and Roxy Music's Avalon. All albums that were cutting edge when they were released and have stood the test of time. I also liked ABC's The Lexicon of Love but haven't listened to that in decades. I was born in 1951 so I think that the two great periods for popular music were 1967-1972 and 1978-1983. Both periods of great diversity and creativity.
1982....yes! All the albums mentioned are fantastic.... 1982 is also the year of King Crimson's Beat, Jon Anderson's Animation, Joe Jackson's Night and Day....!
I did the original digital transfers of Vice Versa's 4-track portastudio demos from 79-80... how they morphed into ABC in the space of 12 months is pretty incredible. Steve Singleton told me some great stories from that time, for my Music degree dissertation (on Sheffield's post-Punk electronic scene) back in 1996, and fifteen years later he was sat in my studio, reliving the halcyon days again.
My first time watching you two as your video popped up on RUclips. Since I was 18 in 1982 I had a keen interest in the episode. Rupert Hine isn’t very well known in the states, where I’m from. It’s been ages since I’ve heard his early 80s records but I remember liking them. Now I’m going to have to check them out again. I pretty much agree with your takes on the records discussed. The Simple Minds, Roxy Music, Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel records are particular favorites. I saw Gabriel on the Security tour in San Francisco and it’s still one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen. The opening song was Rhythm Of The Heat and the song started with the band in the back of the venue, they were all playing drums and walking down the aisle through the crowd to the stage. Anyway, look forward to the next episode,
What a great show! This is my favorite episode so far b/c 1982! I am on the same page, but it happens to be that as a person in the Southern US, my 1st Roxy Music was Avalon and my 1st Simple Minds was Once Upon a Time (I mean, I knew DFAM from B'fast Club. . .). So, by the time I was college age, I was finding mates with old cassettes of those catalogs. Mind properly blown. I think the stadium feel of this year's Simple Minds is due to what a powerful live band they were becoming. I agree this shows up in a way on Sparkle. I think this is what I remember from the documentary, but I might be inaccurate (after all, I am Steven's age! You know how we are! LOL). Love you both! Big No-Man fan! When's the next one! I love everything you do - both of you. Life changing for me.
Peter Gabriel 4 and The Dreaming are two phenomenal albums, for sure. My jaw dropped when I heard the sound of PG4 for the first time, shockingly new, and it equally dropped when I heard the lengths to which Kate was willing to go on Dreaming. I realized that she's a no-compromise musician and I respect her immensely for it. And even though Avalon is not quite in my wheelhouse musically, the production value is just out of this world, sonic bliss. Great descriptions guys!
Absolutely my favourite year in music for albums. Simple Minds - New Gold Dream, Associates - Sulk, Prince - 1999, ABC - Lexicon Of Love, Kate Bush - The Dreaming, Yazoo - Upstairs At Eric's, Peter Gabriel - 4, Talk Talk - The Party's Over, Thomas Dolby - Golden Age Of Wireless, Duran Duran - Rio, Blancmange - Happy Families, Ultravox - Quartet, Rupert Hine - Waving Not Drowning, The Cure - Pornography, The Fixx - Shuttered Room, Roxy Music - Avalon, The Church - Blurred Crusade, Tangerine Dream - White Eagle, Bauhaus - The Sky's Gone Out, Gary Numan - I Assassin, Grace Jones - Living My Life, Laurie Anderson - Big Science, A Flock Of Seagulls - Debut, Cocteau Twins - Garlands, Icehouse - Primitive Man, Scritti Politti - Songs To Remember, Blanket Of Secrecy - Walls Have Ears........ all albums I still adore to this day. Love The Album Years Podcast, by the way. :)
Hi from Germany. I try to follow as a non native speaker. I was 14 years old in 1982 - and still today I love this music from Kate and Peter.
Not a problem for me, but especially Steven should think about slowing down to make room for more of an international audience to appreciate his views. I know that is hard, when you get excited, but hopefully makeable.
Hello from another non native speaker from Ukraine. I guess subtitles would help. Anyway I cannot think of a better reason to improve your language skills than this amazing podcast 😅
PG4 was superb. I just played it over and over. Wallflower and San Jacinto are amongst the most moving songs ever written.
This thumbnail literally has 4 of my all-time favourite albums, (Avalon, The Lexicon Of Love, 'Security' and New Gold Dream) and obviously the best album ever made by anyone, ever, in the history of anything, The Dreaming 😄♥️
Well covered convo guys, I must say as a 14 year old in 1982 Peter Gabriel 4 completely BLEW ME AWAY. 😂 It’s such a dark sonic adventure setting bar to a new height at the time.
Japan - Tin Drum, actually releasing was on the 13th of november 1981, but a couple of singles releases were in 1982; Ghosts and Cantonese Boy.
Nope, singles not important.
@@apollomemories7399... I know right, I couldn't sleep after this catastrophic error
What a great episode. Raw AND blended soup, Saga get a mention, and Lexicon of Love is adored. Incidentally, the last two Lexicon of Love tours with a full orchestra were amazing
Gabriel 4, Avalon, New Gold Dream and the Dreaming are brilliant albums. And definitely albums that all music lovers should have in their collection.
apart from those who dont like that kinda music, of course.
It's always so nice to hear Kate discussed, especially by fellow musicians and musicians that have accomplished so much. I got a letter back from here way back in the 80s....hand written!
Rupert Hine's Waving, Not Drowning is an amazing album. Totally immersive. Little known fact is that Kate Bush was inspired by Hine's album Immunity and in later years collaborated with Rupert Hine.
Wow: the comments on Peter Gabriel's IV are simply perfect! I agree 100%. I would only add that for me, this album is dark in the way that alchemy makes one face darkness to go towards the light. It's the "oeuvre au noir" of alchemists and shamans. The final part of this journey is a stunning and dazzling beauty.
This was by far the most intense episodee. Love it. Love to see Steven and Tim naturally animated.
Lexicon of Love is a masterpiece. As a bass player it is a joy to listen to it
As a would be bass player, I can say that it's a wonderful album to attempt to play along to and entirely ruin.
@@MisAnnThorpe 😂
@@MisAnnThorpe yep, I've done that many a time 😂
The Dreaming is my favourite album of all time and may always be
I think so too. It sounds as fresh today as when it came out. Every time I listen to it new details emerge. It's an absolute masterpiece.
The Dreaming is an incredible album, love all her albums, my fave is "Never for Ever"
As a hugh Genesis fan (from all of their different eras) I must say what I like the most of Steven Wilson is that he slaps on the face of all those prog rock fans who puke on the floor with the 80s Pop music era and musical evolution many prog bands took in that period. Many many Genesis fans told me more than once "No Peter Gabriel no Genesis" or "Genesis died after 1975". And then we have another kind of Genesis fans who say "After the Duke album Genesis music turned into a piece of shit"....and so on. Plenty of them most likely Phil Collins haters of course. On the contrary Steven Wilson loves the music Pop Era from the 80s as I do too. The "Genesis" album from 1983 is a master piece: Mama, That's All, Home By The Sea/Second Home By The Sea, Just A Job To Do....what a great album. Not to mention their worldwide succes from 1986 "Invisible Touch". But like I said before too many fans are "Living In The Past" like the Jethro Tull song. And I can continue with "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" from Yes and all the haters (most likely Trevor Rabin haters) and many other examples.
Those same haters say the same thing about Steven Wilson albums. 😂 I really don't understand why "fans" want to corner their favorite artists into making the same thing over and over, instead of taking joy in their evolution and innovation.
@@fugithegreat Absolutely!!
O Superman was a hit in Australia. There is something hypnotic about it yet undefinable. Great song
Probably an even more unlikely major hit single than Japan's "Ghosts".
This was a wonderful episode, maybe my favorite one, so far! Not only have the albums mentioned always meant the world to me, also the communication between the two of you has never been more enjoyable, more balanced and attentive !
It still blows me away (ditto The Dreaming).
Nice surprise to see Tim Bowness. I'm a big fan of No-man and Tim's solo work. Glad I discovered this series with Steve and him.
Great podcast! Concerning Kate Bush eating chocolate to record Houdini: "In “Houdini” she fully inhabits the gothic romance of lost love, conjuring the panic, grief, and hope of Harry Houdini’s wife Bess. Bush was taken by Houdini’s belief in the afterlife and Bess’s loyal attempts reach him through séances. Bush conjured the horrified sounds of witnessing a lover die by devouring chocolate and milk to temporarily ruin her voice. Bess was said to pass a key to unlock his bonds through a kiss, the inspiration for the cover art and a larger metaphor for the depth of trust Bush wants in love. We must need what’s in her mouth to survive, and we must get it through a passionate exchange among willing bodies." (Pitchfork)
I saw ABC tour Lexicon when it came out. In a tiny club in Texas. The band included a quartet and a the keyboard player had a Fairlight. The songs were lush. I still remember what a great standing room only show it was.
So glad to see Kate’s “the dreaming” getting this much love
my favorite Album
Very overrated artist.
The period from 1972-1982 must be one of the greatest in the history of music. The point made about The Dreaming/Hounds of Love and Security/So is spot on. Ditto that Avalon is the template for the rest of Bryan Ferry's solo career. While Boys & Girls is Avalon 2.0, the next album Bete Noire is Avalon 2.5 with rhythm tracks that echo the earlier remix of "The Main Thing" from Roxy's final album.
Rupert Hine - SO underrated! I've been a fan since 'Immunity".
Avalon is one of the greatest makeout albums....in sustains that mood throughout, almost lulls you into a trance. He sustained that in his solo albums after that, which are also huge faves (if thematically less impressive).
Definetly one of my favourite years in music. Great year for Rnb.
Brilliant! Everyone one of these albums, that I've known for most of my life, still reveal new secrets and beauty that never disappoint. Thank you Steven and Tim for your insight and reflecting my thoughts in a way I don't think I could properly articulate the way that the two of you do.
Peter Walsh produced "New Gold Dream" (Wiki)
Two years later he produced his first Scott Walker album in "Climate of Hunter". I don't think that this was just a coincidence.
i think he came back to SM and produced 'Neapolis' years later when Derek Forbes rejoined. Another fine album
Derek remained with SM until after Sparkle in the Rain. Early SM is some of my favorite music by anyone
That he did. Then it was John Giblin who took over. And talking about DF, he is playing dates all over the UK next month. Music and stories from the road. Should be a brilliant gig.
@@malcolmdaniel4462 thats awesome. id go if i lived over there. The Minds are about to announce a US tour and Im definitely seeing them again. EXCELLENT live band
I took my first steps alone into the world of music in 1982 (prior to this was my parents record collection of everything from The Beatles to Lulu). My first ‘self discovered’ albums were Chris De Burgh’s The Getaway, ABC‘s The Lexicon Of Love, Dire Straits’ Love Over Gold and Duran Duran’s Rio!
Love the Peter Gabriel album. However, meanwhile, Rory Gallagher and his band are kicking it playing real rock and roll with his 1982 album 'Jinx'! You have Signals, Easy Come Easy Go, Double Vision, Big Guns, and many others. No need for technological advances when you have Rory and his band in the studio still coming up with great songs!
New Gold Dream is the best album of the 80s.
No
1982 was really the last year of the 70's. From 1983 the 80's became its own, for better or (mostly) worse.
I've long felt that 1980-1983 was maybe the most interesting and diverse few years in music history (should really throw 1979 in there). Just browse through the Billboard Top100 to see what I mean. Though I'll admit this diversity is mostly... white. The 2nd half of the 80s saw an explosion in hip hop, rap and R&B on the pop charts and underground. So in that sense, diversity took a while to get there -- although white acts doing R&B style pop was definitely up and coming (Madonna, Culture Club etc)
But in terms of musical style, you had all these cross currents going on. The old school rockers and prog guys were sort of putting out their last gasps of brilliance (McCartney, Lennon, Bowie, Paul Simon, Deep Purple, Kansas, Yes, Genesis, Asia, King Crimson, etc -- oh yeah, Floyd!). You had new rock style pop (some from older bands) coming on the scene with tons of success (Billy Squire, John Cougar, Foreigner, REO, Loverboy, Journey, Def Leppard, Night Ranger). Then you had some of the best metal ever made (pre-thrash) such as Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, Dio, Ratt (a lot of this was not quite Top 40 but percolating in the underground). Oh yeah, then there's Rush, which is sort of all of the above!
On top of that you have the massive influx of what was considered punk just a few years earlier. This is what we call or would eventually call post-punk, new wave, new romantic and eventually, alternative. Huge number of bands doing fantastic pop related things. And all of this was also cross pollinating to varying degrees. Throw in reggae and dub which was a huge influence on bands like The Police and tons of others. Experimentation ran amok during these years, in part because post punk was like some amazing laboratory (left field geniuses like Kate Bush and Laurie Anderson got some time in the sun) and partly because many of the legacy artists had amassed a fortune in the previous decade. They had the kind of cache to do anything they wanted (Peter Gabriel comes to mind).
I don't want to forget we had some of the schlockiest sappiest love songs of all time too. Yacht rock was born during this time and some of it was actually pretty good. Some of it sucked.
Yet somehow I think this huge jumble of styles overwhelmed the music industry for a while. They couldn't quite get their arms around it so they could package, mass produce and commodify it. By 1984 this process would start and continue for the rest of the decade (MTV of course played a role, as gatekeeper among other things). Shortly after grunge broke the early 90s, they were able to lock things down much more quickly and make those cheap, lucrative copies.
Top 40 was actually fun and interesting in the early 80s. I really miss it.
New Gold Dream has “songs”. More traditional structures, as you say, “hooks”. Earlier albums had rhythmic dance tracks like I Travel.
Full agreement: I have always felt that the 80s (80-85, primarily) were best enjoyed and remembered through the pop music being written, especially out of Europe and Australia. It was a decade when I found it more difficult to find full albums worthy of scare income purchases but there were lots of great singles and EPs. There were some extremely memorable albums but certainly not the most enjoyable decade for "albums" for me. Roxy's AVALON was one of the peak albums from 1982 for me, for certain. Quite possibly my all-time favourite Dire Straits album, LOVE OVER GOLD, came out in 1982 which was far less pop than a more classic rock oriented album. Laurie Anderson's BIG SCIENCE is an album that I bought recently on vinyl and has such a fresh and interesting record and clearly a highlight from 1982: Anderson really pushed some boundaries. BIG SCIENCE was oh so super, man. Indeed, the 80s (thank you MTV!) became a little too obsessed with looks and fashion: flash over substance, at times, when it came to the music. Really enjoying your musical journeys. Keep the podcasts coming!
I’m sure 1982 will continue. Need to hear reviews such as English Settlement, Vinyl Confessions & Signals.
Speaking of Rush, I like Rupert’s production on Presto & RTB.
I did NOT know about the Hine albums...will go check em out, thanks.
Thanks to this episode I've just listened (and adored) The Fun Boy Three album. Great stuff. Will listen to Rupert Hine too, don't worry. Oh, and get on with Under Wraps - The Unwrapped Edition please, no drumtracks added and the 15 track CD version please ("Tundra" is among the best songs I think).
Tim looks like a clean cut Ramone
It was Percy Edwards who did the bird impressions. I loved The Dreaming when it was released and as much as it sounded stark and uncompromising I found the songs themselves quite accessible. Leave it Open and Get Out of my House were my favourite tracks. These days I think I respond more to the more traditional song writing of Never For Ever.
There is the missed opportunity of the mention of The Ham. Peter sung backing vocals on three of the tracks on PG4. Larry Fast of Synergy fame also played synth on the album.
A great album, but I prefer PG3.
As do I and, yes, a missed Ham opportunity. Enter K is discussed in a later episode, though.
Another fantastic episode really enjoyed it and has encouraged me to go back to the dreaming. I loved Gabriel's early work but the music press were always on his case. I seem to remember two albums on from So which name escapes me a review in melody maker gave it 1* and just wrote some absolute nonsense.
Yes! The answer is yes! Including Yes! Yes the best album from the 80s.
RE New Gold Dream... I bought this in WH Smiths in Newport when it came out. This and Sons And Fascination are the last albums of Simple Minds that I can continue to listen to all these years after their release. In fact, Derek Forbes is probably the reason why Sons And Fascination was the soundtrack to my travelling around London auditioning as a drummer for bands I never wanted to drum with. His bass lines were an integral part of the attraction I had for their music. John Giblin was a fantastic bass player, but his bass lines never resonated with me with Simple Minds.
I saw him and Brian McGee play with Propaganda at the Hammersmith Palais and that gig stands out to me as one of the best I attended in that decade.
The Dreaming is my favourite KB album and I want a SW surround mix.
The Dreaming and Sulk are two of my favourite albums…but I had to Google Rupert Hine to see if he was the guy who released Escape (The Piña Colada Song). He wasn’t. 😂😂
Sulk is great 🎉😂
@@patrick3926 I’m from Dundee which makes it more personal. Billy’s demons probably helped his art but hindered his commercial success. Party Fears Two is my ringtone. 😀👍
Gabriel's "Birdy" Soundtrack is equally great!
For To Next by Steve Hillage, check it out.
Lots of reverb and delay on Jim Kerr's voice which is evoking the sound of the arena.
English Settlement?
O yes! Welp, they missed a spot.
How did Duran Duran's Rio not make it on here? Is there going to be a part 2?
There'll be several more parts and Rio does get mentioned.
So Tim is effectively saying Brian Eno was a vegetable that you would have in a rustic chunky soup but not have in a blended soup. Is Brian Eno sweetcorn?
Anybody think that Tim Bowness looks like the younger brother of top impressionist Jon Culshaw ? lol
I see something in the Thatcherism idea but maybe contentious to some of these artists
I can see my 8 year old self though imagining a life of opulence for Kerr, Fry or Mackenzie suggested by the lushness of the music.
The Dreaming was Kate's magnum opus, not HOL. imho :)
Mr. Wilson, please do an atmos mix on blu-ray of the upcoming Few Bits album in collaboration with Mayway Records and Superdeluxeedition 😊😊😊😎👌 Other recent belgian releases from 2023-2024 on my atmos blu ray wishlist Ão - Ão Mar + Bolis Pupul - Letter to Yu, ignored by most of the international press (and off course the Kate Bush backcatalogue 😂). 1982 albums I like Garlands (Cocteau Twins), New Gold Dream (Simple Minds), The Cure, Grauzone (S/T), Yazoo (Upstairs at Eric's), League Unlimited Orchestra (Love and Dancing), Donald Fagen (Nightfly), DM (Broken Frame), Fleetwood Mac (Mirage), Siouxsie (Dreamhouse), Talk Talk (Party's Over), Thomas Dolby (Golden Age...), China Crisis (Difficult Shapes), Roxy Music (Avalon), The Names (Swimming), A Flock of Seaguls,...
I am curious to know what these 2 thinj of code orange, greg puciatos solo albums, crosses, louis cole, and techno music. Would love to see a discussion on it. Or maybe it's too simple..
This isn't a value statement, but every time I hear you guys state an opinion as fact I have to tag it with "...for those who grew up in Britain in the 80's." I do agree with Tim about PG III vs PG IV. And props for recognizing Rupert Hine. But over here in the states the 80's was the decade of hair metal, Michael Jackson and Madonna (and of course MTV). Not a favorite decade of mine, to be honest.
Indeed
I don’t know if there was an emphasis on fashion and style. As much as there was an emphasis on presentation. Because of the MTV music channel. But style has always been a part of the music industry. Whether been The Beatles with the first started in their suits. To the whole hippie and folk song era. Same is true four big band performers, as well as Frank Sinatra. And the artist for his arrow. fashionist style has always played a part of the music business. Depending on the genre of music,, our distress differently. Punk rockers didn’t dress like the pop singer. The Beach Boys didn’t dress like the Rolling Stones. Motown artist didn’t Folk singers or jazz artist. Earth, wind and fire, parliament, Kiss & Elton John. Didn’t dress like Billy Joel, Steely Dan or Chicago etc.
Lol! I owned both the Gabriel and Bush albums, hated them both 😅
do 1997 guys. so many great stuff
Really?
@@gaskellr44 Great albums from Radiohead, Bjork, The Prodigy, Daft Punk, Spiritualized, Blur, Ween, Mogwai, Squarepusher etc. etc. Techno! Drum and Bass! Not to mention Dylan's 'Time Out of Mind'.
@@RayZappa Em, not sure about the Blur one. I still havent got over their horrific park life and House in the country songs, but their later stuff was better and their 1st song "Theres no other way" is their perfect Pop song they did. Radioheads album OK Computer, for me arguably the greatest album ever made, so thats a tick. Are Techno! and Drum and Bass! albums? TBH, there were very good stuff in the early 90s with REM and Nirvana, and later with Brit Pop music Dodgy and Shed 7, but there wasnt mcuh for me, although we are gunna find it hard to beat the 60s, 70s and 80s for the best amount of great music.
@@gaskellr44 Fair enough, I was getting a bit carried off topic with the D'n'B and techno and anyway probably the best drum and bass was a year or two earlier (e.g. Goldie's Timeless in '95). The 1997 Blur album is great if you like stuff like Song 2. I much prefer the '70s and '90s to a lot of '80s music where I find the bombastic sound production a turn-off (with honourable exceptions like Hounds of Love). Long live music, whatever!
Gentlemen, Innervisions was released in 1973 and not 72 ,
Uh-oh! Not only did they get the title wrong- they got the year wrong. Schoolboys!
This is me anxiously waiting to see if my audio comment will be used.....
welp...doesn't look good!
I found The Dreaming far too different at the time, I'm afraid. Compared to the three that came before it, it was too much of a left turn.... ABC, I'm sad to say, passed me by first time round and I didnt get to appreciate it and Horn's brilliance for about another 3 years.
Or the uk Fonz
... kind of like it. try and make an album with no cymbals...go on. I dare you.
Where the duck is Duran's Rio? That album WAS 1982 - bloody navel-gazing amateurs!
It's discussed in a later 1982 episode.
Obligatory Signals comment. 🐕🧑🚒
It's discussed in a later 1982 episode/
80s best era? Definitely not !
17:13: Mr Wilson goes straight over everyone's head including Mr Bowness' it would appear. Who on earth could he have been thinking of I wonder?!
16:10 "I don't remember that". Because you were 14.
Ahhmm.... Fifteen.
@@ZBB0001 No, he was 14, when PG4 was published.
Would love to know what your thoughts on The Fixx might be. They released their wonderful debut record Shuttered Room in 1982
Stand or Fall was a good song but Red Skies is an all time fave for me.
Glued to it for weeks. I was the sole person in my life to buy it … 😊
Love Reach the Beach
Love The Fixx and funnily enough, Rupert Hine produced their first four albums and they crop up on other albums he produced around that time (Tina Turner's Private Dancer & Break Every Rule, Wildest Wish To Fly etc).
They were unknown in the UK- or at v.least filed under ,'just big in Belgium , or for them USA'.
The Dreaming, Gabriel 4 and Avalon are thee of my all time favorites and to think they all came out in one year and when i was fifteen (same as Steven).
The Dreaming is one of the rare albums that provokes the listener and has a kind of disturbing effect because the songs are pretty haunting. It’s a work of total genius.
She sings on Games Without Frontiers from Peter Gabriel 3.
The Dreaming and 4/"Security" are two of my favourite albums of all time. I absolutely adore them for exactly the reasons that Steven and Tim describe here so there's not much I can add to that :D. I got into them later in the 80s and they just blew me away because they are so dark and dramatic, and they're so innovative musically. I think "Get Out Of My House" from the Dreaming and "Shock the Monkey" (with its very clever video too) or "The Family and the Fishing Net" from 4 are my favourites, but they're all great tracks.
Eloy- Time To Turn is an awesome space rock album from 1982!
Props on mentioning Rupert Hine's trilogy, quality stuff! In 2022, Esoteric released a box set, Surface Tension: The Studio Works 1981-1983. Great sound, packaging and liner notes, highly recommended. To a lesser extent, Daniel Lanois' production work with Martha & the Muffins in '81, 83 and 84 was notably creative too, kind of like the Eno role, which foreshadowed his collaborate work with him.
I might include some of these with your prog pop and art pop picks. Some of these I imagine will pop up in later videos.
John Cale - Music For A New Society
Nina Hagen - Nunsexmonkrock
Sparks - Angst in My Pants
Bill Nelson - The Love That Whirls (Diary of a Thinking Heart)
Robert Wyatt - Nothing Can Stop Us
Andy Summers & Robert Fripp - I Advance, Masked
Klaus Nomi - Simple Man
Peter Hammill - Enter K
Feeling enormously privileged to have worked with Rupert Hine (and his audio engineer, Stephen W Tayler) at Farmyard Studios in ‘83. A true English gentleman and a recording studio wizard with a wacky sense of humour. (I fondly remember being paralysed with hysterics during a break in recording, watching him apply multiple rubber bands around his head, resulting in a grotesquely distorted, bizarrely comical face - an unforgettable image!)
Waving Not Drowning is his masterpiece imho.
R.I.P.
You worked with hine around the time god mann you’re so lucky i am such a huge fan discovered through chris de burgh’s albums the getaway and man on the line and been obsessed since
I really don’t want to annoy you but do you remember what synth he was using around that time i love those warm brassy pads
@@officialpierluk
No problem mate.
Rupert had a Wave 2.2 Digital Synth in the studio at that time. I was so impressed with this German manufactured keyboard I bought one. He also produced The Fixx around the same time. Their album Reach the Beach is heavily saturated with some great PPG patches, including those brassy sounds you referred to.
Cheers from Oz. 🇦🇺
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PPG WAVE 2.2
Rush Signals
Discussed in a later episode.
Yessss
I'm surprised Nina Hagen's "Nunsexmonkrock" wasn't mentioned as it's a parallel album to "The dreaming". Musically it's not as interesting, but vocally... it's arguably the most creative use of human voice ever put on record.
GUYS,if your inot rupert hine you MUST talk about cafe jaques and quantum jump
Never really heard any of these albums from 82', will check some of them out.
A few I'd go for from 82'...
Solid Space - Space Museum / The Names - Swimming / Cocteau Twins - Garlands / The Glove - Blue Sunshine / Crispy Ambulance - The Plateau Phase / The Cure - Pornography / Siouxsie & the Banshees - A Kiss in the Dreamhouse / Chrome - No Humans Allowed / Bauhaus - The Sky's Gone Out
This was a fabulous episode; thank you gentlemen! My partner and I had a listening double bill of Gabriel 4 and The Dreaming, inspired by this episode. Just fabulous.
Also, I'm so happy to hear Fun Boy Three getting some love. 👍🏻
Fantastic years in music history. Peter Gabriel 4, Simple Minds New Gold dream, Roxy music Avalon. Ultrawox quartet. Rubert hine Waving not Drowning changed my music life! Peter Gabriel 4 was kind of a shock live!
I love the Rupert Hine's production of all of the Fixx discs. Reach the Beach and Phantoms are two of the best!
My favourite albums of 1982:
- The Cure’s Pornography
- Siouxsie And The Banshees’s A Kiss In The Dreamhouse
- Brian Eno’s Ambient 4: On Land
- Christian Death’s Only Theatre Of Pain
Great year! Pornography, The Dreaming and New Gold Dream my choices....
Cure’s best 💥
Publison had a unit that could sample in 1978 - see Tangerine Dream’s Force Majeure
One of my favourites which is always under rated (even within their own discography) is Dire Straits Love over Gold. Epic tracks like Telegraph road, private investigations, and it never rains
Repping Lansing, Michigan, USA here. The British scene in '82 couldn't turn them out fast enough for me. I had all of these, except the Gabriel and Hines LPs.
You hit the nail on the head by comparing "New Gold Dream" with "Avalon." Besides a slick, sinuous feel, they had something else in common - exquisite "make out" albums..... :)
Best Brit album of '82 for me? A Certain Ratio "Sextet."
Avalon is probably the best of 82. This list is crazy
Kate Bush's The Dreaming is one of the greatest albums ever made. Hounds of Love is also fantastic. But The Dreaming is often overlooked. It's amazing. I also love Gabriel's Security album, Laurie Anderson's Big Science and Roxy Music's Avalon. All albums that were cutting edge when they were released and have stood the test of time. I also liked ABC's The Lexicon of Love but haven't listened to that in decades. I was born in 1951 so I think that the two great periods for popular music were 1967-1972 and 1978-1983. Both periods of great diversity and creativity.
My favourite albums form 1982 are The Lexicon Of Love and Avalon.
1982....yes! All the albums mentioned are fantastic.... 1982 is also the year of King Crimson's Beat, Jon Anderson's Animation, Joe Jackson's Night and Day....!
I did the original digital transfers of Vice Versa's 4-track portastudio demos from 79-80... how they morphed into ABC in the space of 12 months is pretty incredible. Steve Singleton told me some great stories from that time, for my Music degree dissertation (on Sheffield's post-Punk electronic scene) back in 1996, and fifteen years later he was sat in my studio, reliving the halcyon days again.
I agree on the The Dreaming and Peter Gabriel 4 with Steven Wilson 100%. And I am shocked to have written that.
Kate Bush’s The Draaming is my favorite KB record. It’s an artistic achievement beyond its intention. ❤️
My first time watching you two as your video popped up on RUclips. Since I was 18 in 1982 I had a keen interest in the episode. Rupert Hine isn’t very well known in the states, where I’m from. It’s been ages since I’ve heard his early 80s records but I remember liking them. Now I’m going to have to check them out again. I pretty much agree with your takes on the records discussed. The Simple Minds, Roxy Music, Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel records are particular favorites. I saw Gabriel on the Security tour in San Francisco and it’s still one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen. The opening song was Rhythm Of The Heat and the song started with the band in the back of the venue, they were all playing drums and walking down the aisle through the crowd to the stage. Anyway, look forward to the next episode,
What a great show! This is my favorite episode so far b/c 1982! I am on the same page, but it happens to be that as a person in the Southern US, my 1st Roxy Music was Avalon and my 1st Simple Minds was Once Upon a Time (I mean, I knew DFAM from B'fast Club. . .). So, by the time I was college age, I was finding mates with old cassettes of those catalogs. Mind properly blown. I think the stadium feel of this year's Simple Minds is due to what a powerful live band they were becoming. I agree this shows up in a way on Sparkle. I think this is what I remember from the documentary, but I might be inaccurate (after all, I am Steven's age! You know how we are! LOL). Love you both! Big No-Man fan! When's the next one! I love everything you do - both of you. Life changing for me.
Peter Gabriel 4 and The Dreaming are two phenomenal albums, for sure. My jaw dropped when I heard the sound of PG4 for the first time, shockingly new, and it equally dropped when I heard the lengths to which Kate was willing to go on Dreaming. I realized that she's a no-compromise musician and I respect her immensely for it. And even though Avalon is not quite in my wheelhouse musically, the production value is just out of this world, sonic bliss. Great descriptions guys!